Root Access

Canadian Luke

18:00

So, OnePlus Tech Support is going to fix my phone for me online... Seems like a common problem :-/

qasdfdsaq

Oneplus? Problem? Blasphemy

Canadian Luke

... My OnePlus Two. My One is still working great, and is back to my main phone

qasdfdsaq

What's wrong with it?

> Corn n' Gauc Tofu (v)
Organic tofu dog, tomato salsa, guacamole, crispy onions, radish, "Angus & Oink" Red Dawg Apache mayo

OMG they make dogs into tofu now :-(

tereško

18:15

@BenRichards this is my MiniITX is such a good idea

bwDraco

18:35

HALP

2

Q: HP charger burnt?

Ok so I got a new Hp laptop around a month ago and today I was watching Netflix and my battery was 10%. So I went downstairs and got my charger and when I plugged it in it wasn't working. I thought the outlet had a problem so I tried one downstairs and it still wasn't charging and then I smelled ...

laptop

> PLEASE HELP ASAP

ArtOfCode

@bwDraco PLEASE CLOSE ASAP

bwDraco

@ArtOfCode Question's answerable.

ArtOfCode

@bwDraco Aye, I know. Those just get on my nerves.

bwDraco

Yes, it's a bit broad, but it's answerable as written.

qasdfdsaq

18:53

Peanut butter and bacon burger

Err

@ArtOfCode DAT HALP VAMP1R3

Yay I got my second mod message today.

I'm not sure what's worse, getting a mod message about my chat messages or getting a suspension because of my chat messages.

ArtOfCode

@qasdfdsaq Getting a mod message about it is definitely worse.

qasdfdsaq

But I can keep talking while I have a mod message. It's less infuriating :-/

Also at least I can defend myself too, and have a right to reply.

ArtOfCode

@qasdfdsaq You do in chat too, technically. You just have to wait for the suspension to end, or find a mod's email address.

On that note, my email address is in my profile, and people can email me if they want to discuss a chat suspension.

qasdfdsaq

But it doesn't say who was responsible durnig chat suspensions either, whereas mod messages come with a nice pretty avatar and diamond.

Also what's with all the names under the "Reply" box, is that everyone who participated in messaging me or just all the mods on a particualr site the reply would be seen by?

Well all of them except for JMG have "I'm a ♦ moderator for Super User" in their profiles, funny enough

ArtOfCode

@qasdfdsaq which reply box? On mod messages?

qasdfdsaq

19:04

Yeah

ArtOfCode

Those are the site moderators. All mods can see a message.

Ben Richards

Some days, typing on my keyboard feels especially satisfying. Today is one of those days.

qasdfdsaq

It's sorta intimidating, so many names!

ArtOfCode

Aye, those are the site mods

qasdfdsaq

What if I'm feeling judgmental about one of those moderators/ How can I avoid having my message been seen by them?

I don't want to air my grievances in front of everyone, only the mods I know will side with me!

Mokubai

19:07

@qasdfdsaq superuser.com/users?tab=moderators

qasdfdsaq

(Also as I mentioned, @JourneymanGeek seems to be the only mod who doesn't declare he's a SU mod in his profile, despite being the most active one in here)

@Mokubai Oh wow that actually tells me where you all live

ArtOfCode

@qasdfdsaq You can't. However, mods are required to be impartial. Yeah, they're human, doesn't always work, but with a mod team as large as SU's you're guaranteed that more than one of them will see it and work out the correct response before coming back to you.

Mokubai

@qasdfdsaq You can't. site moderation is a group activity and it's all kept in the open so that one mod with a vendetta can't just unilaterally take actions against users without the others knowing

Ben Richards

I've never been a mod on here, but I have elsewhere, and if my experience translates correctly, each mod should act as a check on each other mod. If a mod does something that others take issue with, then they work it out and see that it doesn't happen again.

ArtOfCode

@BenRichards Hole in one.

Canadian Luke

19:09

... in private though

Mokubai

And, un like your parents, we do actually talk to each other so you can't just go behind one mods back to whine at another...

ArtOfCode

Also bear in mind that the CM's see mod messages, so even if every mod hates you then the CM's can deal with the situation.

qasdfdsaq

Wait a sec, Ana's not a mod, she's a CM

That's even worse

Well I guess I had to graduate from catching the ire of mods to catching the ire of CM's one day...

Just didn't expect it to be so soon... :-/

Mokubai

@qasdfdsaq Aye. It's not really a good thing.

ArtOfCode

@qasdfdsaq which explains who booted you, too.

qasdfdsaq

19:13

:sadface:

Mokubai

The chat ban wasn't Ana, it was because your comment was flagged as offensive and found to be valid.

qasdfdsaq

My comment was valid or the flag was valid

/jk. I kid I kid.

I'm picking up too many bad habits from my predecessor at work

Mokubai

@qasdfdsaq Your comment was actually offensive.

Ben Richards

I made a "women" joke once at work. I got a response with awkward silence. I apologized and never did it again.

That's dangerous territory.

qasdfdsaq

Heh.

My predecessor at work was described as a "creepy, sexist, misogynistic pig. "

Mokubai

19:16

We had one of those, he got fired.

qasdfdsaq

I was told all I had to do to outperform him was... not become hated by the entire female population of the department.

Ben Richards

Truthfully, that kind of humor is immature and sexist. It might get some cheap laughs, but it's not something you want to really engage in.

It can make you run afoul of HR too

Mokubai

"Escorted unceremoniously off-premises" was the phrase used

qasdfdsaq

Yet this pig got away with sexual abuse at work and got off scot free :-/

Some places are better at firing people than others I guess

Ben Richards

Your joke may have gone over better if you left out the gender part of it.

qasdfdsaq

19:18

Even got given a good reference to encourage him to leave

It wasn't my joke

Ben Richards

I know the xkcd

It was the response

Mokubai

Depends on the workplace. Where I work it would be taken seriously. If you let it happen then it will continue. Obviously it depends on the workplace culture but any reasonably functional and inclusive workplace should stamp that sort of crap out.

qasdfdsaq

I was replying to Dave who mentioned gender.

Ben Richards

@Mokubai yep

ah

qasdfdsaq

5 hours ago, by Dave

@RahulBasu I personally like the last image in that comic, since there's not many female developers which makes it 2x funny

Hard to not mention gender in response to a comic about sexual orientation...

But anyway.

So what's the next level of escalation after I've pissed off some CMs?

My usual course of patronage on any site goes a bit like this : Sign up => Lurk => Post a few witty/useful comments => Become "respected" for a bit => Argue with and become hated by one or more of the regulars => Get suspended => Become hated by more regulars and a few mods => Get suspended again => Get brandished a troll => Get permabannd OR become a mod myself.

Mokubai

19:22

Long site-ban or possibly even a network-wide ban.

qasdfdsaq

Can they chat ban people without main site banning people?

Mokubai

Yes.

qasdfdsaq

Cool, I'll go for that then.

Sad part is, my predecessor at work now has a better job than me. Got promoted and employed by a major company down in London

Mokubai

Chances are though, if you've pissed a mod off enough in chat then you'll have earned a main site ban too

qasdfdsaq

Curious though. If getting a mod message is worse than a flag-and-delete, how come the message I got a mod message about wasn't flagged or deleted?

Also, in the name of gender equality I demand this site elects at least one female moderator.

Mokubai

19:26

As it stands so far you have only really been given warnings.

@qasdfdsaq Fine, find one to stand in the next election.

qasdfdsaq

Wait what's the difference?

Mokubai

No proper site bans as yet

Strong warnings.... but not banned.

qasdfdsaq

I mean in terms of "mod messages".

Is that a warning by default or does that come with a ban

Can I get fries with that?

It just doesn't seem like an obvious path of escalation, when I get suspensions without mod messages and mod messages without suspensions, but ArtofCode said messages are worse, it just doesn't seem obvious how or why

Also mod messages are always so nice and polite. They don't feel as severe as a "YOUR ACCOUNT IS BLOCKED, HAHA, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING" when you login

Maybe I should write a post on Meta about making sanctions a more obvious progression from bad => worse.

Mokubai

Chat suspensions don't come with site message warnings, you just can't chat. Site messages can come with a side of mod-hammer.

qasdfdsaq

Maybe I should just shut up and order me a tofu dog and peanut butter burger.

Ana

19:32

@qasdfdsaq It's not a big deal.

The gist of my message was "Hey, please don't keep this up."

If you cut it out, it's no problem. You will not be on some secret, dark list of problem users.

qasdfdsaq

@Ana Wait what, there's a secret dark list of problem users?

Mokubai

/me scribbles out the name 'qasdfdsaq' from the list

qasdfdsaq

...

!!tayderp

ChatBot John Cavil

qasdfdsaq

Dammit that image would have worked better if she backed off the screen entirely.

Mokubai

19:36

!!nothingtoseehere

Ana

@qasdfdsaq Yes! I mean...no! Er...

ChatBot John Cavil

qasdfdsaq

One person says incurring the wrath of a mod/CM is really bad, another says it's no big deal. Talk about mixed messages!

@ChatBotJohnCavil Where on earth is that from?

Mokubai

One of the Naked Gun movies iirc.

qasdfdsaq

Ah thanks

Mokubai

19:40

Police Squad was an awesome series and the Naked Gun films were pretty good at continuing the gags.

qasdfdsaq

Hmm. I'm not old enough to have seen them I don't think

Michael Frank

Mokubai

@qasdfdsaq The end credits were great. All the actors freeze instead of freezing the film itself...

Police Squad Episode 3 Closing [RIP LESLIE NIELSEN U WILL BE MISSED]

►

qasdfdsaq

@MichaelFrank Photoshop!

Ana

Bit of general advice: If you concern yourself more with being nice than with getting a laugh out of a subset of the crowd in any given chat room, you'll be in decent shape.

And with that, I'm outta here.

qasdfdsaq

19:45

24 hours ago, by qasdfdsaq

No burger, no nice.

I've still not had a burger :(

@MichaelFrank OMG it's actually real

en.wikipedia.org/w/…

Also: en.wikipedia.org/w/…

Mokubai

20:02

Police Squad - Episode 5 - Best Bits

►

qasdfdsaq

Well looks like I've killed the chat

Oh wait Mokubai's alive!

Mokubai

That's one of the better endings.

@qasdfdsaq I worry about the person that adds themselves to that list.

qasdfdsaq

@Mokubai That made me LOL out loud

@Mokubai Well some people do it for the fame...

Self incriminating as it may be

Mokubai

Surely you'd only add yourself once you were caught and had the list validated by the police, otherwise you're either bragging with no proof or you are literally the worst criminal ever and have just brought your work to an end.

qasdfdsaq

Some criminals liked bragging and deliberately taunting the police

It's a thrill for them... "Haha I'm killing people, listing my exploits on Wikipedia, AND you can't catch me!"

Mokubai

20:09

Yeah, but if you're going for the high score you need to be smarter than that

qasdfdsaq

Well, listing your victims on Wikipedia isn't really going to help the police much anyway.

Mokubai

While IPs aren't necessarily the best indicator of a persons location, especially if they know about proxies and such, they are a bloody good start for a criminal stupid enough to post his exploits on a public website

qasdfdsaq

Oh god I've had my first emoji spam email

Mokubai

Once you have a good starting point such as "the idiot who posted shit on facebook/wikipedia/MurderersRUs" then you can start to narrow down the search and pick apart the electronic logs

qasdfdsaq

Tor?

Mokubai

20:14

My spam seems to be people sending me CVs at the moment... at least I assume they're CVs. I'm not opening anything from J.Random DudeOnInternet

qasdfdsaq

Granted, the feds have managed to uncover criminals even behind that, but for some it really is just a game of how much information can I give the cops while still evading them.

Personally I'd take the "quit while you're ahead" approach, and also throw some false information in there once in a while

Mokubai

Let me show you the dance of my people:

SolidCAM - Impeller fräsen

►

qasdfdsaq

@Mokubai Dammit I've wanted one of those for ages

A reverse 3D printer.

Mokubai

A 3D sculpting machine if you will

qasdfdsaq

Or just anything that can cut/route/shape metal properly

Mokubai

20:30

Machines are expensive.

qasdfdsaq

Yeah, that's why I don't have one :(

Also 3D metal printers are expensive too

Mokubai

3D printers are neat, but you can't make anything with the same kind of strength as a piece of cut metal

qasdfdsaq

Still, the ones that 3D print titanium come out a lot stronger than the ones that print plastic

And if tjey're strong enough for rocket parts, they're strong enough for me :-P

Ben Richards

20:47

I need to get a 3D printer because I keep having ideas for things that require custom plastic housing or the like.

Like I'd like to make something from an Arduino and custom 3D printed plastic chassis

qasdfdsaq

@BenRichards Are there no nearby facilities with 3D printers you could borrow or use?

Ben Richards

There are. I just want the immediacy of having one in-house :P

Mokubai

@BenRichards If you have money instead: protolabs.com

qasdfdsaq

Same, heh.

Mokubai

we use them for prototyping

qasdfdsaq

20:49

I've been meaning to get 3D printed eyecups for my Oculus Rift for like, a year.

Ben Richards

If I'm driving out to use a publically available one, I don't want to waste my time with something that's not quite right or random tasks.

qasdfdsaq

Ended up selling them before bothering to get them 3D printed.

tereško

@Mokubai I had an opportunity to do shit like that by hand in grade-school

qasdfdsaq

21:18

Whoop. Finally had a burger. Spiced Morrocan lamb burger.

So now I'm allowed to be nice. For a bit

Journeyman Geek

22:35

@qasdfdsaq WRT that cm message... SO/SE has this whole "diversity" thing going on, and yeah, that statement's something I would have told you was inappropriate if I'd not been too tired to keep track of chat.

And yeah, we do have female users who happen to be female and straight sometimes.

Not a regular but I can think of someone who pops by often enough that we know who she is

@qasdfdsaq inventables.com/technologies/x-carve

I've been drooling over this and the glowforge a while.

My local makerspace will 3d print stuff if you buy them beer

@allquixotic strange but true

Its shorter for the same barrel length (which is super handy for us since it also replaces our M4 carbines), the gun's got better ergonomics IMO.

Journeyman Geek

22:51

._.

qasdfdsaq

23:06

@JourneymanGeek Oh hey welcome back

I know you said something about don't burn down the house but er... yeah

@JourneymanGeek Interseting, is it wood only?

I've bought quite a lot of woodworking gear myself already but none of it's precise enough for, well, cool stuff

Journeyman Geek

and soft metals

Dave

my boobies hurt, and im heading home

have a good one

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek I was excited, until I go to

> BASIC KIT
Starting at $934.90

Journeyman Geek

yeah

pricy

but I figure in a year or two there will be mini chinese knockoffs

qasdfdsaq

$128 for a waste board...

OK c'mon, that's just

...

How did you notice the CM message anyway :-( I was hoping you would miss it

Journeyman Geek

23:17

@qasdfdsaq actually?

Mainly cause you mentioned it

qasdfdsaq

Oh damn.

So you go back and read all the chat?

Journeyman Geek

No?

Only the bits around where I get mentioned

qasdfdsaq

Oh

I dont' recall mentioning you while mentioning it

Except for the bit where I noticed you were one of the only two SU mods who don't have "I'm a SU mod" in their profile

Journeyman Geek

yup

I kinda didn't bother to. If I need to wear my mod hat, people will know I'm a mod ;p

And a good chunk of my modly actions are soft power anyway

qasdfdsaq

True, but it's hard to tell from your user profile which site(s) you're responsible for

Journeyman Geek

23:22

I was also a mod on two sites until late last year

Stepped down from SR since I was having trouble being the sort of active mod I expect to be on SR while holding a full time job.

qasdfdsaq

But you're soooo active in here :-/

Journeyman Geek

23:35

Well, currently, I have free time

and I can randomly pop into chat

moderation requires a certain consistant need for time.

mod queues for example

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek blog.stackoverflow.com/2015/11/… <== This diversity thing?

Journeyman Geek

amongst other things yes

qasdfdsaq

And somehow that blog post led me to this... geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/So_simple,_your_mother_could_do_it

Dave

23:50

I love geeks, even when they are hard to find

*on the internet

qasdfdsaq

> Additionally, there’s a lot of implicit misogyny when you feign surprise upon discovering that a conventionally-attractive or feminine-presenting woman is also a geek. If you tell a woman approvingly that she’s “one of the guys” or “not like other women”, well, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say you’ve got some assumptions you need to rethink. (And I’m saying that as a woman who was proud to be called both of those things at one point.)

It’s not a compliment to get comments like “Wow, a beautiful woman who’s also into kernel hacking?? Will you marry me?”

Journeyman Geek

ugh

qasdfdsaq

I agree completely.

Journeyman Geek

I need to carsit

qasdfdsaq

WTF is carsit

Journeyman Geek

23:55

@qasdfdsaq I tend to treat everyone the same ;p

(dog goes in the car. Dog can't go some places. Dog sits in the car with human, who is bored)

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Blasphemy

Journeyman Geek

(I also don't make comments of physical appearance without being prompted anyway)

Gets me into less trouble. On the internet no one knows you're a dog and all that.

Dave

I cant wait to get home. I'm driving and the Lady told me that my sandwich is ready and all I have to do is come get it. I'm living in heaven

qasdfdsaq

Dogs can't judge people based on physical appearance?

I thougth they did that far more than cats

ChatBot John Cavil

I have just been restarted! This happens daily automatically, or when my owner restarts me. Ready for commands.

Dave

23:59

Nobody can make peanut butter sandwiches better than her

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