Root Access

Journeyman Geek

15:01

pretty much ;p

And I don't want to see excessive changes due to a few troublemakers.

DavidPostill

+1 ^^^

Bob

It would be nice to have an official policy. I just hope said policy doesn't end up killing chat a la TCR.

Journeyman Geek

(both in terms of users and rooms)

@Bob Hence me suggesting the theory of moderation as a outline

It works well here

DavidPostill

TCR?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I'm a bit wary about them applying main site standards to chat.

Journeyman Geek

15:06

The Comms Room

Bob

@DavidPostill SF room. Was very active, until all the active users migrated out and now it's basically dead.

Journeyman Geek

But they also had the whole disagreement with scope too

and a few vocal, slightly bitter users

DavidPostill

Ah. OK

Journeyman Geek

And personally I feel the scope related issues were more a thing than chat related issues

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek :26058232 That just deepens the mystery :-/

Journeyman Geek

15:09

granted there were a few incidents

@qasdfdsaq I misread pom.xml as porn.xml ;p

rn and m look similar

qasdfdsaq

pom

Ah!

Now it all makes sense

._.

Bob

reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/3w3f44/no

DavidPostill

@Bob Is that SFW? ;)

Bob

@DavidPostill Yep.

Tales From Tech Support.

Well, it's as safe as any reddit link could be...

The act of being on reddit itself might not be safe for work :P

DavidPostill

I was joking ... one of my favourite sites along with BOFH :)

Bob

15:12

> You've earned the "Necromancer" badge

o.O

DavidPostill

Congrats!

Journeyman Geek

Spammers are using emoji now? Its the new goddamned blink tag :(

Bob

O_O

qasdfdsaq

o_0

!!learn o_0 <>http://i.imgur.com/8aDgrah.png

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq Command o_0 learned

Psycogeek

15:16

@JourneymanGeek the canine pre-delivery warning system here goes off when UPS is 1 block away, but USPS can go by unnoticed. UPS sometimes has milkbones :-)

qasdfdsaq

!!learn :-o test

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq Command :-o learned

qasdfdsaq

!!:-o

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq test

qasdfdsaq

!!forget :-o

ChatBot John Cavil

15:16

@qasdfdsaq Command :-o forgotten.

qasdfdsaq

!!forget o_0

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq Command o_o does not exist. Did you mean: o_0

@qasdfdsaq Command o_0 forgotten.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek DHL guys gave ash a teddy in the old office so he loves em. No idea how my package is being shipped outside 'expedited air mail'

and I'm horrible about waiting for new toys, but all y'all knew that.

Bob

Heh. I'm still checking multiple times daily. And it's not nearly as fancy as your toy.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob oh, its not shipped yet ;p

tho, the address thing is sorted.

DavidPostill

15:18

@JourneymanGeek Don't you live at the top of a tower block? Is the broken doorbell on your front door or in the lobby 30 floors below?

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill its on my front door

24 actually

Its sort of govenment housing, we don't have fancy things like doorbells in lobbies.

qasdfdsaq

!!shocked

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

DavidPostill

Ah. I was wondering how Ash knew you had a visitor 24 floors below ...

qasdfdsaq

!!learn shocked <>http://i.imgur.com/uw754JV.gif

ChatBot John Cavil

15:20

@qasdfdsaq Command shocked learned

qasdfdsaq

!!shocked

Journeyman Geek

Oh...

ChatBot John Cavil

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill mom's convinced he knows I'm in the lift on my way up

qasdfdsaq

!!learn :-o <>http://i.imgur.com/el2EsVb.gif

ChatBot John Cavil

15:21

@qasdfdsaq Command :-o learned

Journeyman Geek

or we leave a note asking them to call the house number

qasdfdsaq

!!learn taytaywtf <>http://i.imgur.com/U39Fh3I.gif

ChatBot John Cavil

@qasdfdsaq Command taytaywtf learned

Journeyman Geek

I think its cause of the sea breeze but out doorbells usually conk out after a year

qasdfdsaq

I'm so used to DPD's real-time tracking that I get super impatient with any company that takes hours to update their tracking statuses

(DPD shows you on a map the real-time location of your delivery van)

Journeyman Geek

15:23

@qasdfdsaq oh, my monitor hasn't shipped yet

qasdfdsaq

I think Bob was waiting for something?

Journeyman Geek

ahh

oh

also there's toll...

qasdfdsaq

Who knows, maybe I'm confused

Just spent three hours staring at the back of a dozen heads

Journeyman Geek

who's dumped packages into the little slot we have on our gate, and vanished.

no signatures, nuffin

qasdfdsaq

Not as bad as the one guy we had here who left a note saying "Your parcel has been left in your designated safe place:

*Sorry on the roof*"

Bob

15:25

@qasdfdsaq Heh. Dominoes Pizza claims to do that here.

qasdfdsaq

Bob

Except it usually updates after they get here.

Ohnana

ups dropped a 26lb box 5 blocks away from my house at an "access point" (aka tiny dry cleaner) and i had to walk that shit home

Bob

Which usually happens about an hour after I order... minimum -_-

They're ten minutes walk away, five minutes drive max!

Ohnana

also we walked by about 4 UPS trucks on the way home

Bob

15:26

(no, I don't walk down there in 40 deg C weather)

qasdfdsaq

Dominos seem OK here

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Was waiting for a few things. Meelec Matrix2 headphones, bunch of USB => SATA adapters, cheapo SSD...

qasdfdsaq

Usually they deliver quickly and the tracking is right

Bob

They'll probably all arrive on Monday :(

I wanted to play with them on the weekend

qasdfdsaq

Most things I get from Amazon are DPD, and they're by far the most reliable courier in the UK.

Bob

15:27

@qasdfdsaq the... roof? O_O

qasdfdsaq

And as I say, not bad having a concrete delivery timeslot, and real-time satellite tracking

Bob

how the...

qasdfdsaq

Bob

@qasdfdsaq heh, delivery timeslots. even redeliveries here are basically "be home all day, or else"

qasdfdsaq

That small white box...

Bob

15:27

@qasdfdsaq how?!

qasdfdsaq

@Bob DPD gives us 1-hour timeslots and they are not permitted to deliver outside that slot

Bob

did he aim for the window and miss?

so many questions

qasdfdsaq

(As in the driver's PDA will refuse to allow him to scan a parcel outside the delivery window)

@Bob Yes.

Bob

o.O

qasdfdsaq

> Yodel apologised to Ajmal for the 'overly enthusiastic attempt to deliver a parcel for a customer who was out: aiming for an open window, he missed and found the roof'.

> It told MailOnline: 'It was obviously a silly thing to do and this is very embarrassing. To his credit, the driver returned to the house with some ladders in his own time to retrieve the parcel and apologise to the customer.

Journeyman Geek

15:29

@qasdfdsaq You need a drone to reach an open window in my apartment ;p

@qasdfdsaq I was about to say you totally need the picture.

Bob

@Ohnana oh, those are fun. nearest (toll? tnt?) collection point is across the suburb. takes 30 mins to get there by public transport, it's some 2km away.

hm... might be 3km

Ohnana

@qasdfdsaq bahaha

"i got this!" /fling "ooooh i don't got this"

Journeyman Geek

Oh, I'm worried my shipment may get stuck in customs, which is a TINY office in postal HQ

Bob

@qasdfdsaq That... wat.

Journeyman Geek

so I can pay tax

qasdfdsaq

15:30

There's a few pickup store within a block of my house. But DPD have never once been outside their allocated timeslot, at least not once a parcel gets on a van and actually gets given a timeslot

Journeyman Geek

I'm cool with paying tax, just not lugging shit back for that

@qasdfdsaq 0_0

Bob

local post office is ~15 mins walk away

Journeyman Geek

Wait. A delivery company that sounds... quite good

Bob

@JourneymanGeek wonder how much it costs!

qasdfdsaq

Thankfully work is only 10 minutes away from home so when I get the message with a 1-hour window I can pop home right in the middle of it, sign for the parcel, and be back at work within an hour.

Journeyman Geek

15:31

@Bob oh, if its DHL, they have an office across the road.

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Yeah. Their Trustpilot ratings are miles ahead of anyone else

Journeyman Geek

I'd still need to get someone to drive me and/or grab the trolly.

qasdfdsaq

In recent rankings of customer satisfaction it went something like this:
DPD: 70%
UPS, DHL, everyone else: 40%
Yodel: 10%

Journeyman Geek

and ours has a bad wheel so it sounds like a tank platoon...

qasdfdsaq

They have been late three or four times when they mixed up the vans on the way to my local distribution centre, and once when the van broke down.

But that's out of over 100 deliveries, whereas Yodel fails to be on time 90% of the time

@Bob If you look at their website RRPs, a lot

Bob

15:33

@qasdfdsaq how's royal mail?

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Pretty decent. Their depot is at the end of my road. Guaranteed usually arrives on time but non-guaranteed is a nightmare

Bob

almost everything comes by auspost for me

Journeyman Geek

@Bob hmm

Bob

even the amazon i-parcel (UPS) is passed on to auspost

qasdfdsaq

Next day guaranteed has always arrived next day, but Standard 24-hour and Standard 48 hour take like 5-10 days

Journeyman Geek

15:34

I wasn't around when my dell came in.

Bob

my matrix2 and SATA stuff are coming by i-parcel

SSD is coming through direct auspost for some reason

Journeyman Geek

and I have no idea what amazon does.

toll is slightly shit

singpost is pretty good

DavidPostill

ParcelFarce are actually pretty good. I had a lot of stuff shipped from NL. Came when it said it would (lots of seperate deliveries).

Journeyman Geek

Also the postmen know roughly who lives where.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Most UK retailers (Amazon, Scan, Overclockers, etc.) charge £5-10 for a DPD shipment. However on DPD's website their minimum prices are like £30 for a small parcel, plus £30 Sat/Sun surcharge

Journeyman Geek

15:35

Parcelfarse!

Bob

@qasdfdsaq 5-10?! o.O

qasdfdsaq

When in reality retailers pay £1-2 surcharge

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I think typical for a small auspost parcel is $10 from most websites

qasdfdsaq

@Bob We have plenty cheaper through brokers or through the national postal service. DPD is a "premium" business-only provider

Bob

so... can we get dpd here? :P

Journeyman Geek

15:36

;p

Bob

(the massive distances involved in aus probably makes that impractical)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob most of it is dropbear infested tho

qasdfdsaq

Part of DPD's magic is their single hub/single sort system

Bob

@qasdfdsaq premium that costs as much as standard here :\

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Thats what ParcelForce (Parcelforce Worldwide is a trading name of Royal Mail Group Ltd.) get called by the peeps who don't like them ;)

Journeyman Geek

15:36

which is why most of you live in massive walled cities defended by giant mecha.

@DavidPostill ahh

qasdfdsaq

They just go Retailer => DPD Hub => Delivery branch => You

Bob

@JourneymanGeek nah, you're thinking of japan

we just apply a daily vegemite rub

keeps em away

Journeyman Geek

@Bob no, they have giant lizards

qasdfdsaq

Whereas UPS go Retailer => Receiving depot => Some other depot => Regional sorting hub => Some other depot => Some vague location 100 miles away => You

Journeyman Geek

and its too pricy to have giant walled cities

they just move out, then rebuild using the insurance money.

qasdfdsaq

15:38

Basically my last UPS parcel stopped overnight at every single city up the length of England and Scotland.

Bob

o.O

Journeyman Geek

lol

@qasdfdsaq singapore is tiny ;p

qasdfdsaq

Yeah Singaporeans cheat

Journeyman Geek

though my packages bounce through quite a few places first.

Even then

qasdfdsaq

Which reminds me I still need to book my Singapore hotel and flights before the prices become astronomical

Journeyman Geek

15:38

I've had packages take 2-3 days after hitting the island

qasdfdsaq

Well the prices are already astronomical, but before they become too astronomical even for astronomers.

Journeyman Geek

lol

qasdfdsaq

Hong Kong is similarly tiny, but it seems parcels can take 10-15 days just to get out of the city

And then 2 days to make it around the world to the UK

Journeyman Geek

oh

two words

china post.

When DX used to use them, it was a good way to send yourself a surprise present.

I'd order something

then it took so long I forgot

Psycogeek

@HoD At least for moderm PCs, your claim that "a VRM lowers the voltage from +12V or +5V to whatever the CPU needs" is not accurate, despite (or because) you copied it from Wikipedia. There's an additional 3.3V rail for the CPU. Modern CPUs typically work with less than 1.5V. Generating that from 5V (or even 12V...) would be unreasonable. — Class Stacker 5 hours ago

qasdfdsaq

15:40

Ahah. My flatmate did exactly that, with DX as well.

And every other week some post would come in and it's like "Oh hey it's that cool gadget I ordered 2 months ago"

Psycogeek

Oddly i think it is from the 12V only on modern CPU, while it would seem strage to do the like 1V from the 12 i assume it uses a method that is series , dividing much of the voltages out.

qasdfdsaq

"I forgot I bought that"

Journeyman Geek

yuuuup

qasdfdsaq

@Psycogeek Class Stacker is completely wrong

Journeyman Geek

Oh I don't buy stuff that often

but yeah

and blah

I may need to get some DP and HDMI cables

Tempted to go the DX route, but something tells me I should probably not cheap out on those

Psycogeek

15:44

there was a time when the CPU power was derived from the 5V , and the many 5V lines provided on the 20pin (before the 24pin) connection.

The only reason i knew about it (5V) is overclockers underestimating the amperage when raising the voltages , had cooked that at times or even meltdown burned it.

qasdfdsaq

Yep. With modern CPUs using 100-200w at the high end, feeding 40 amps off 5v is just absurd

Journeyman Geek

hm

DP cables are oddly pricy

qasdfdsaq

Incidentally even a high-end power supplies barely enough power off 5v or 3.3v to power a modern CPU anymore. A lot of sites have been testing crossloads on PSU reviews incidentally, and jokingly adding you shouldn't try running a Pentium 3 off a 2015 PSU

Journeyman Geek

I'm seeing them at 15 sgd , and 30 sgd for 4k ones at dx

(and they're the same bloody standard so... I donno)

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Not if you connect the 5v via large copper busbars! :D

qasdfdsaq

15:50

@JourneymanGeek Lol, I'm drowning in them.

@Bob When was the last time you saw an ATX cable with large copper busbars?

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I hardly have any stuff that uses t

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Pretty much every monitor in my home including my flatmates' came with at least one DP cable

Journeyman Geek

I'm barely starting to have HDMI cables spare

qasdfdsaq

And with the G-Sync gamers I used to live with, they've got spares. And all HP corporate displays are DP only where I work

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I'm not sure what the korean comes with

Psycogeek

15:51

@qasdfdsaq yea much has changed, there isnt anything there at the 3.3 in a modern PSU to do that.

qasdfdsaq

I paid maybe £5 for an extended DP cable?

Journeyman Geek

I'd prefer to use DP for my desktop since I'm planning on using HDMI for the brix (which i doubt will do 4k anyway)

Yeah, DX prices seem nonsensicalish

qasdfdsaq

I'm seeing them at £3.50 or less on Ebay

Journeyman Geek

yeah, might need to see

qasdfdsaq

2m cable for £2.05 with free postage from Hong Kong

Journeyman Geek

15:53

or get em locally

I do need to do a SLS run

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Now you have me wondering if anyone's actually tried something like that. Though of course it'd probably fry the traces on the mobo.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob On the old boards, probably not

High end overclocking boards run off 12v so need to deal with far less amperage

Bob

@qasdfdsaq They could take 20+A?

qasdfdsaq

Well all modern boards run off 12v.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq assuming I need one.

I so totally bought a monitor sight unseen ._.

qasdfdsaq

15:54

But as it stands the highest I've reached is 300w on my CPU, running at a tad under 2v.

So my CPU would be taking 160 amps, my mainboard taking 30A or so over 12v

(Incidentally there's a reason about 60% of the pins on Intel's 1150 pin processors are dedicated to power delivery)

Bob

Hmm... actually, the required trace cross-sectional area to carry 20A is surprisingly small: circuitcalculator.com/wordpress/2006/01/31/…

For 10cm you only need something like 1mmx2mm

Journeyman Geek

The bigger version ships sans cable on newefgg

bigger/va

Bob

(though 1mm is probably crazy thick for a PCB trace)

qasdfdsaq

@Bob And yet, I managed to melt a cable with just 10A. I used a speaker cable to connect my UPS batteries

Journeyman Geek

@Bob repcapped.

Bob

15:56

@JourneymanGeek nice

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq 0_0

qasdfdsaq

It caught fire and melted through one of the batteries

Journeyman Geek

ugh

qasdfdsaq

After that I went back and found the 60A fused bridge that actually came with the UPS and used that instead.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq what CPU?

Journeyman Geek

15:56

my last workplace had a good local supplier but I don't have access to those emails ;p

qasdfdsaq

@Bob i7 920 and Xeon W3680

Bob

Ah. Enthusiast and server.

qasdfdsaq

Same socket, same board

Incidentally the W3680 is just a rebadged i7 980x

Bob

(was surprised at 300W on a more standard consumer CPU... didn't think they went that high)

Journeyman Geek

ahh, curve

qasdfdsaq

15:58

Normal mainstream desktop CPUs are 65w-95w these days, 130-160w on the high-end workstation/server platforms

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Yea, I was thinking around 100W.

qasdfdsaq

Although with Intel's latest Skylake range, only the high-end mainstream (overclocking) SKUs go above 65w now

Psycogeek

my 4770 reaches ~160W (overclocked but only slightly overvoltage) when all 4 cores are roaring, like when testing or encoding full force.

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