Root Access

Hennes

10:05

Re third party coolers: Sometime it is nice to have a passive cooler.
and those te nd to be bigger

Journeyman Geek

10:29

@R.Doto no foul, just don't do it again.

Bob

10:51

O_O

Someone wanna explain to me what this is for?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob creating a portal into hell

(The image I linked is a photo of one of a series of murals in my neighbourhood)

qasdfdsaq

Hey it's Geeky and Foxy

@JourneymanGeek That looks like chinese writing

is that chinese writing?

Bob

11:12

Ok, NF12 set up. That was surprisingly painless.

I think this is the first router that actually bridged the WAN port when I asked it to -_-

(also, it has a DHCP relay option. wow.)

qasdfdsaq

@Bob dd-wrt or stock?

Bob

too bad it's a piece of crap and will never be supported by (open|dd)wrt :P

@qasdfdsaq stock, no other options

qasdfdsaq

Huh. Never had a router with a "Bridge wan port" option in stock myself

Bob

eh, it'll tide me over until 802.11ac gets a bit cheaper locally

@qasdfdsaq I just deleted the WAN interface entirely.

This bloody thing has options for VLAN tagging o.O

qasdfdsaq

Not bad

Bob

11:15

It does have a bridge mode I didn't bother testing (deleting the interface felt cleaner). I have an older Netcomm device where bridging just completely fails.

qasdfdsaq

I had a Huawei Modem/Router that did that once, had to flash a hacked firmware onto it to enable the interface though

Bob

Looks like I can actually create a 'WAN' interface on any of the ports. Interesting, but useless.

Whoops, forgot to turn off DHCPv6

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq its chinese writing

I wouldn't be suprised if it was a picture of the shop that used to be there 2ish decades ago

Bob

DNS Proxy => Off.

Journeyman Geek

Also, I have no idea what it says.

Bob

11:18

O_O it supports 6in4

Journeyman Geek

I can't read (chinese)

Bob

I don't think my actual modem/router does that.

@JourneymanGeek Which I could help, but I dropped out of that class -_-

Journeyman Geek

@Bob heh, I think its standard for asus

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek They speak Chinese in Singapore?

Then again I guess I've not heard of Singaporean as a language

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq No, oddly enough, we speak english.

Bob

11:19

Wait, no, my main does do 6in4. Also, this looks like exactly the same firmware with a different skin.

Journeyman Geek

We do have a local ~~mangling~~ varient of it called singlish tho

Bob

I wonder if it's based on openwrt/dd-wrt

Does this look familiar to anyone?

qasdfdsaq

Why's there Chinese writing on the walls then? :-o

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq cause the old shops of the colonial era and right up till the 80s had chinese signs?

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Mandarin apparently is an official language...? :S

qasdfdsaq

11:21

Singlish... Can't be worse than Scottish

@JourneymanGeek Oh but everything's in English now? Interesting

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I had a friend who was scottish. Your local dialects of... whatever is impentirable.

Bob

> The official languages amongst Singaporeans are English (80% literacy), Mandarin (65% literacy), Malay (17% literacy), and Tamil (4% literacy).

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq pretty much, at the very least

qasdfdsaq

@Bob So English and Chinese are the official languages then?

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq all 4 of those are.

Though they swap tamil with japanese at some tourist spots since most tamils can read english ;p

Bob

11:22

@qasdfdsaq wiki says all official (government, etc.) stuff uses English

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq basically english is the 'common' language amongst everyone.

Bob

so I'm not entirely sure what an official language is supposed to mean

Journeyman Geek

but we learn english + native language

qasdfdsaq

Ah cool

Bob

> Singlish is discouraged by the government.

Journeyman Geek

11:23

@Bob in some cases signage, some official documentation...

Bob

lol.

qasdfdsaq

Now I remember why I wanted to go to Singapore

Everyone speaks English.

Bob

Heh. That also kinda works in Hong Kong.

Most speak (butchered) English. The rest speak Cantonese, though.

qasdfdsaq

Don't need none of this "Do you speak English" and "Sorry I don't speak X" in 20 different languages that I learnt from going around Yurop

Journeyman Geek

Wah laio. Like that summore. Expect evelyone's engrish to be bery bery powderful...

@qasdfdsaq Nearly everyone speaks english.

Except the ones who don't.

(If you run into a chinese who dosen't, he or she's likely from the mainland, or really really old)

nope

Bob

11:24

whoops. mixed it up

I should know this stuff :(

qasdfdsaq

I'm from the Mainland. And really really old.

OK I'm not even 30 but I FEEL really really old. At least compared to some of the kids these days.

Journeyman Geek

I think it translates to "Oh, Cock", the way James May says it.

talkingcock.com/html/…

Bob

There we go, all set up. Thanks again qasdfdsaq for the ebay suggestion.

Journeyman Geek

Oh, and that's the only guide you'll ever need to singlish.

Bob

(it'll probably wind up in a drawer in a year or two, but, hey, $10.)

Journeyman Geek

11:26

You don't get lost. You here hollanded. Or maybe Hollanded in Holland V.

Bob

"polite variation"

"more polite version"

...why is WPS enabled

Journeyman Geek

@Bob true story. I was ordered to cuss folk out in the army

I purposely did it in the most posh british accented hokkien I could.

I enounciated the hell out of everything....

I immediately got ordered not to ;p

I prefer more polite versions ;p

Bob

SSH access! :D

# ps -e
  PID  Uid     VmSize Stat Command
    1 admin       344 S   init
    2 admin           SW  [softirq-high/0]
    3 admin           SW  [softirq-timer/0]
    4 admin           SW  [softirq-net-tx/]
    5 admin           SW  [softirq-net-rx/]
    6 admin           SW  [softirq-block/0]
    7 admin           SW  [softirq-tasklet]
    8 admin           SW  [softirq-sched/0]
    9 admin           SW  [softirq-rcu/0]
   10 admin           SW< [events/0]
   11 admin           SW< [khelper]
   12 admin           SW< [kthread]

/bin/nas interesting

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Oh I forgot about that. You're welcome.

You sure it isn't a mis-spelt /bin/nsa?

Bob

LOL

# /bin/nas
# /bin/nas --help
/bin/nas: invalid option -- -
Command line parsing error. Quitting...
# /bin/nas -help
# /bin/nas -?
/bin/nas: invalid option -- ?
Command line parsing error. Quitting...

hmmmm

Journeyman Geek

11:49

._.

(and, there's a slight chance I might repcap at workplace ;p)

qasdfdsaq

@Bob dev.openwrt.org/ticket/1217

github.com/jcolp/rtn66u/blob/master/release/src/router/eapd/…

> * This is UNPUBLISHED PROPRIETARY SOURCE CODE of Broadcom Corporation;

> * the contents of this file may not be disclosed to third parties, copied

> * or duplicated in any form, in whole or in part

Bob

@qasdfdsaq "unpublished" => on github

good job guys! :P

HackToHell

If they use a modified Linux kernel, shouldn't it be open sourced anyway

GPL and all

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Yeah, that...

arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/12/…

> Fantasizing online about kidnapping, sexually abusing, and eating women does not amount to unlawful conduct or thoughtcrime, a US federal appeals court ruled. A person's "inclinations and fantasies are his own and beyond the reach of the government," 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Barrington Parker wrote

Bob

12:06

Eh, the router doesn't have a USB port anyway

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Unpublished? Not any more!

qasdfdsaq

ebay.co.uk/itm/forth-road-bridge-/…

Bob

lol

> For parts or not working

Journeyman Geek

London Bridge (Lake Havasu City)

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Who knows! You might actually find someone who really does have a bridge to sell you.

qasdfdsaq

At least that one works.

Journeyman Geek

12:21

@qasdfdsaq only cause MS's tablets are basically PCs ;p

Hennes

Awell, but you got to have a tablet these days to count.
and having the functionality of a full fledged PC is nice.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Keyboards man, keyboards.

qasdfdsaq

Which is why I just bought a tablet with a keyboard :D

-1

Q: Location services on smartphones - which physical network does it use?

I was pleasantly surprised to find that my iPhone was able to detect my location in India despite disabling my expensive data roaming (I live in the USA and use AT & T). I did have my cellular roaming turned on (local provider being Airtel). I had always assumed that without data networking enab...

facepalm

And that's put me off answering any questions on SU for the day.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Which one?

Journeyman Geek

Why are there no closevotes?

And the next person to call them a mobile computer...

qasdfdsaq

12:25

14 hours ago, by qasdfdsaq

Lenovo YOGA 700 14 inch Convertible notebook (Silver) - (Intel Core i7-6500U, 8Gb RAM, 256Gb SSD, WLAN, BT, Camera, nVidia Graphics, Windows 10 Home)

Lenovo

LENOVO 80QD0048UK Yoga 700-14ISK - Core i7 8GB 256GB SSD Win10 Home

14 hours ago, by qasdfdsaq

Yeah I made it unavailable biatches!

Bob

Ah.

Nice.

14" too

That's bigger than my main laptop! :P

(Horize/Clevo W230SS, 13.3")

qasdfdsaq

It's taken a year to get hold of a friggin tablet/laptop hybrid with dedicated graphics

And it'll be another year before I manage to get hold of a DECENT one (and probably replace this one)

Bob

Also have a Lenovo Miix 2 10 tablet/convertible but it's pretty shit.

Journeyman Geek

lol

qasdfdsaq

Mmm I quite like Clevo machines, but I don't think they make any convertibles

Journeyman Geek

12:27

>_>

I think 11 inches is my max for a laptop/convertable

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Yea, they tend to be rather bulky.

qasdfdsaq

My current laptop is a 13" convertible, and a chunky ass one at that

Journeyman Geek

(says the guy who'd happily go 3x 27-28 inch for his desktop if I had the cash ;p)

qasdfdsaq

Thing is there's absolutely no reason for them to be chunky, there's plenty of slim 13-14" gaming laptops with high-end graphics and better connectivity than the one I bought, yet all they're missing is a 360' hinge

Bob

@qasdfdsaq 940M :\

How much did it cost?

qasdfdsaq

12:28

Not to mention it seems harder now to get any <15" laptops with a DGPU at all, let alone a good one

Bob

esp. compared to Surface Book

qasdfdsaq

Ten years ago it was impossible to NOT get a 13-14" laptop with a DGPU (mainly because iGPUs hadn't been invented.... :-P)

Journeyman Geek

lol

qasdfdsaq

@Bob £850. Way less than half of a surface book, which is delayed till next year in the UK anyway

TBH it's only really worth £500-600 but nowhere else had it in stock. Except with a Czech keyboard.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

qasdfdsaq

12:30

Biggest advantage for me is it uses a traditional 2.5" storage bay, not the fancy new M.2 stuff, so I can re-use my existing 1TB 2.5" SSD.

That alone saves me a good £200 or so

Bob

2.5" in a convertible? wow.

@qasdfdsaq But those dGPUs were some really crappy ones :\

qasdfdsaq

@Bob You can get 15" convertibles with multiple slots -_-

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I have a 860M in my clevo :)

1x 2.5" and 2x mSATA too

The only part I'm not happy about is the display. 3200x1800, but it's RGBW... was a bad choice.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Not always, I had a Radeon 9700m, and a GeForce 9300 and Quadro 4200 in my previous laptops

Sure they weren't high-end like the GTX 980's you get in dedicated gaming laptops but they were a third the speed of the high-end ones and you could actually buy them

Journeyman Geek

Bob

12:33

@qasdfdsaq How much were they?

qasdfdsaq

Nowadays you struggle to get anything 1/10th the speed of a decent GPU in anything <15"

Bob

I didn't spend that much on laptops back then :P

Just had some Intel or PowerVR onboard crap.

qasdfdsaq

My first laptop was £1200 in ~2004, second was £700 in ~2007 and third was £1600 in ~2011

Third one had an optional Quadro 4200 but only in the U.S., mine didn't come with one :(

Seems oddly enough a lot of these <15" laptops with optional dGPUs only have the option in the US

Bob

...yea, that's above my budget at the time :P

qasdfdsaq

Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga - U.S. Only DGPU, Dell Latitude 5000 - U.S. Only DGPU, HP Envy X360 - U.S. Only DGPU, Fujitsu T901 - U.S. Only DGPU

The £1600 one was a treat to myself for getting my first full-time I.T. job.

I like to brag about the fact I got my first full-time graduate I.T. job the day after I slept through my graduation.

But that doesn't seem to make me many friends :(

@Bob I'm told RGBW displays are actually nicer...

Bob

12:36

@qasdfdsaq I can see white dots on coloured text :\

Maybe it's just shitty drivers?

Apparently Dell and Lenovo laptops with the same display have a similar issue, if you don't install the right drivers.

But they don't seem to exist for Clevo :\

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq practically every laptop I've owned has been intel graphics, but they've always been secondary systems for me.

Boris_yo

12:55

I think this one is huge: soundguys.com/tdk-life-on-record-trek-360-review-3789

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek They're secondary for me too, but I like to game while travelling

Journeyman Geek

ahh

I hardly travel.

And usually its seeing family and I need to socialist or something.

qasdfdsaq

I'd be happy if I could just stick a CPU with a Iris Pro in it in my old laptop

And for the touchscreen to not be broken

hexus.net/tech/news/laptop/…

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I don't think that would be a good thing :(

gaming's the one place hardware dosen't have too many corners cut

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek I'm hoping more competition leads to more innovation

Journeyman Geek

13:01

@qasdfdsaq alas, historically it's eventually ended up in a race to the bottom

qasdfdsaq

Yeah, sometimes it can be

But on the other hand Dell are putting gaming chips into their high-end XPS premium machines, and not cutting corners. Which might lead to the traditional gaming laptop market to realise it doesn't have to bet fat chunky bricks with dated connectivity

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq dell's in a wierd place

they just got out of the through of suck (tm)

I know I mispelled through...

whatever the things pigs eat from.

qasdfdsaq

I've never really found Dell to suck, but I rarely need to deal with their consumer products. The Inspiron 1500 series were pretty fat mind you.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq their PCs was terribad

qasdfdsaq

Most Dells I deal with tend to be of the Latitude (business) lines or XPS (Premium) lines or PowerEdge (Servers).

Journeyman Geek

13:05

Granted, thanks to @Bob I've seen worse

qasdfdsaq

Ah you mean desktop PCs?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ?

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

@Bob that HP

Bob

Which one? I have two :P

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq that said, the only other dell I've owned is a mini 10

qasdfdsaq

13:06

I suppose them Optiplexes did stink. The GX620 was the worst.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob the one with the unpopulated PCIe sockets

Bob

o.O

I ... have no memory of that.

Journeyman Geek

(mini 10 is one of those things I wanted but couldn't afford, my dad has one, and its lovely, though it needs a SSD upgrade)

Bob

Oh. OH.

my god. that one...

qasdfdsaq

dell.com/uk/business/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/…

So they'll happily put a 50 watt processor and a 50 watt graphics chip into a 15" laptop, but the minute you make it a convertible, or a 14" laptop, they drop to 15w processors and 15w GPUs, at best.

While my current laptop has a 37w CPU in a 13" convertible, and that's from 4 years ago ffs.

Journeyman Geek

13:08

;p

qasdfdsaq

37w CPU and 25w GPU in 13" in 2011. Can't do it in 2015 though. Nope.

Bob

Oct 9 at 6:57, by Bob

Oct 9 at 7:01, by Bob

@JourneymanGeek Best part? I get to be the one to figure out how to get dual-display on these.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Lol

The current-gen SelectPC HPs have 3 display outputs from the onboard card.

That's actually more than the outputs from my Quadro card in the old HP workstation I'm using.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I think the last few generations of integreated graphics allow that

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Yup, these are Haswell generation

Bob

13:11

@qasdfdsaq This was an i3-3xxx HP desktop.

Journeyman Geek

My ivy bridge desktop has 3 onboard outs

I have no idea what they are capable of

qasdfdsaq

We didn't use HPs for the 3xxx generation I don't think

Or maybe we did... Back in 2012.

Bob

That was the cheapest motherboard I've ever seen.

@qasdfdsaq We have Ivy Bridge machines with 2x display out (VGA + DVI) in the past.

This particular one was just the most epic cheap-out I've ever seen.

qasdfdsaq

Hmm what was I doing when Ivy Bridge came out...

Bob

Not a single expansion slot.

qasdfdsaq

13:15

Oh yes, I was unemployed

Bob

No USB 3.0 ports either.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob my asus has DVI, dp and HDMI.

@qasdfdsaq I was back in school. Again.

qasdfdsaq

Meh, I've seen cheap boards like that before.

Journeyman Geek

;p

qasdfdsaq

A lot of OEM systems aren't built to be expandable. They sit in a secretary's office and are used for Word and Excel, then chucked in the bin on a 4-year cycle.

@JourneymanGeek Back?

Bob

13:16

@qasdfdsaq I've seen cheap, but they usually have at least a single (PCI|PCIe) slot.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob The Raspberry Pi doesn't have a single PCI slot!

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I dropped out of uni twice

Personal issues

qasdfdsaq

Neither do most embedded boards

@JourneymanGeek Ah. Same

Third time they were like, just finish up and bugger off already, you're messing with our stats

Journeyman Geek

Last time was fun

qasdfdsaq

So I submitted half a dissertation, got a 48% mark, and got told to gtfo.

Journeyman Geek

13:18

I flunked stratergic management (good grades in the assignment, test paper was torn apart), waited a sem for it to be offered again, went back, totally didn't give a shit submitted a testpaper on an open book exam that would have caused plagirsm detection to explode

then got a credit.

most of my management modules was a bit shit. I shoulda gone dual IT but my parents were all "But there's no future in computers...."

R.Doto

@bob I'm not sure if somebody already told you or not but, the adapter is for when you've broken your original ethernet port on a laptop/computer - i think.

Bob

@R.Doto uw0t

Journeyman Geek

@R.Doto erm...

there's a fair bit more that foes on for a usb -> ethernet port

I THINK that's a breakout for a non standard port of some flavour

R.Doto

@JourneymanGeek @Bob what did i say? lol

Journeyman Geek

1 min ago, by R.Doto

@bob I'm not sure if somebody already told you or not but, the adapter is for when you've broken your original ethernet port on a laptop/computer - i think.

R.Doto

13:22

@JourneymanGeek yeah?

Journeyman Geek

That's incorrect

Bob

I'm pretty sure a female USB <=> male ethernet adapter would be entirely useless in that scenario.

Journeyman Geek

Notice the fair amount of bulk

R.Doto

@JourneymanGeek Huh? I've seen them around quite a bit.

Journeyman Geek

@R.Doto that's quite literally a 8p8c connector connected to USB

Bob

13:23

@JourneymanGeek in the wrong direction, no less

R.Doto

@Bob OOPS, i didn't pay attention to the USB side. sorry :P

Bob

nor the other side, it seems

R.Doto

@Bob i tried </3

@Bob second guess! Is it for a USB ADSL modem so it can connect to a router with an RJ45 socket?

@Bob the slots looks similar :P

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek lol

@JourneymanGeek The fudge are we on about?

There's a hotel with boat on top?!

R.Doto

Alright, the real reason i popped by was: How do you change the line spacing on Microsoft Word? :( I've set the 'line-spacing' options correctly, to no avail. I have massive gaps in between my lines -.- This is a legit question.

Bob

13:41

Select them before changing it.

R.Doto

@bob i have :( Highlight the text -> Set Line spacing to single -> set value to '1'

Nothing changes

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I think the sands is designed to look like there's a boat on top

Bob

Hm. Acer R11...

Hennes

@qasdfdsaq My first laptop was around 2002. A purple 15" laptop with a desktop P3 @ 1200MHz. No idea what graphics it had.

qasdfdsaq

@Hennes A lot of people around me at school had laptops in that era, I only got my first when I started at university in '04

Hennes

13:46

@Bob The dells I had often had a PCI-e slot. Sadly it did not work with most PCI-e cards

For me it was qa 3-4 month salary expenditure (5000 guilders)

Journeyman Geek

My first laptop was a R51 ;p

qasdfdsaq

My first laptop was ur mom.

Haha that actually makes sense, partially.

Journeyman Geek

Only to you... @qasdfdsaq only to you....

Oh, and maybe @R.Doto who probably starred it ;p

R.Doto

@JourneymanGeek TEHE

Bob

sigh

qasdfdsaq

13:48

@JourneymanGeek He's still around? Gee.

I thought he'd have gotten bored of being my echo by now

R.Doto

@qasdfdsaq uwot

!!whale

ChatBot John Cavil

Journeyman Geek

:(

Last.fm dosen't seem to tell you when a band you listen to have released a new album

qasdfdsaq

I've not used Last.fm since Winamp went out of fashion

Actually I used it on my first two Android phones until it stopped being free

Bob

I still have it enabled on spotify

R.Doto

13:50

@JourneymanGeek Are you not able to subscribe to/follow specific Artists?

Journeyman Geek

Also, I thought someone named a song this i.imgur.com/9V270Eg.png

R.Doto

@JourneymanGeek Spotify is the greater choice ;)

Journeyman Geek

@R.Doto I basically just scrobble everything so I can discover stuff

I listen to stuff elsewhere

qasdfdsaq

Oooh Lacuna Coil

Haven't listened to them in years

Since I broke my RAID array and lost access to my 10+ years of music, to be precise.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I have my music backed up... I think thrice.

Might be 4x

R.Doto

13:54

@JourneymanGeek Same with me. It makes it difficult for the service to personalize recommendations, though - which sucks.

Journeyman Geek

@R.Doto tho, I find that randomly listening to youtube playlists works well

R.Doto

@JourneymanGeek Does last.fm allow you to dl music?

Journeyman Geek

@R.Doto no?

I used to go "hey, that looks interesting" then look em up on youtube

R.Doto

@JourneymanGeek Just curious :P

Journeyman Geek

The new layout is a bit crap for that.

Oh, and nearly everyone here's a Taylor Swift fan, so I discovered her here.

qasdfdsaq

13:57

!!taytaytay

ChatBot John Cavil

qasdfdsaq

Really, there's actually taylor swift fans in this channel?

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq yeaaaaah.

R.Doto

To be honest, i secretly binge listen Taylor Swift

Journeyman Geek

I think someone has her as an ava even.

lol

qasdfdsaq

13:58

Judging by R.Doto's trolling you'd think listening to pop music around here was a mortal sin

Journeyman Geek

I think we all have guilty pleasures ;)

Not everyone listens to stuff no one's heard of before ;)

qasdfdsaq

Ah dammit

R.Doto

Lool true :D

qasdfdsaq

Trying to use i.imgur.com/SYvAqgs.gif as my avatar is animated in my edit profile screen but becomes un-animated when you press save :(

Journeyman Geek

I don't think we do animated avas

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