Root Access

Hennes

00:08

Peers at the question. Installing a VM on a system with 1GB (8Gb) memory? Insane.

qasdfdsaq

00:19

@Hennes I suspect the Gb really means GB

Hennes

Aye. And I have corrected this quite often in posts.

qasdfdsaq

I think I recall seeing this problem being caused by incorrect virtualisation or virtual CPU settings, though can't remember exactly what

Abhishek Bhatia

I have no knowledge how to read data from a port. I was trying to fix an issue with some hardware. Can you guys please help here if possible.

Hennes

But especially when you are working with computers (memory usually in bytes) and network (speed usually in bits/sec) a b or a B matters

Abhishek Bhatia

Question: superuser.com/questions/1000040/…

Hennes

00:21

@qasdfdsaq I have had a similar problem when I had the wrong firmware settings (VT-x was disabled in the BIOS).

qasdfdsaq

@Hennes I've nitpicked and been nitpicked for b vs B many times. Context usually makes it fairly obvious what is meant, even if it's not correct

Hennes

As well with VMware workstation (10? 11?) when running as non-admin after an update

qasdfdsaq

It's not like anybody really sells a 100 millibit per second broadband connection :-P

Wait that's mb vs Mb not MB vs Mb

Goddang it

Hennes

Actually, marketing over here has a nasty habit of mentiopning speed in bytes and then posters in bits.

gb is giggle bit.
GB Giga Byte

@AbhishekBhatia Looks as if you are trying to use an USB to serial convertor

qasdfdsaq

Hmm. Over here it's pretty much universally bits, not bytes, in any connection-related advertising

Hennes

00:24

`ser=serial.Serial(port='COM30',baudrate=9600)`
ehm. Using com2 ? Not com30 ?

Best guess. No experience with anything but real serial ports.

Abhishek Bhatia

I changed the port later to COM30.

from the device manager. Should have mentioned that.

Hennes

As I said, limited experience here. But I would try to see what happens if I used putty to try to connect. Simply because it is a tool which I know.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq heh, my mom and dad are probably getting the screen I have. Dad's computer is a core 2 duo laptop running XP so its overdue for a refresh

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Christ.

Journeyman Geek

and at his age, a proper keyboard (which I can pull off the old shared box) would be nice.

qasdfdsaq

00:30

I mean Core 2 duo still holds its own, but XP?

Journeyman Geek

XP.

And he's actively resisting upgrading so...

once I get a new job, I'm forcing the issue ;p

(its my last XP box. And that system will run windows 10 fine with a SSD, but only cause the stock drives are old and shite)

@qasdfdsaq and a single gig of ram.

qasdfdsaq

00:47

@JourneymanGeek Do you want more?

I've literally got piles of old RAM

TBH it's probably going to cost more to send it than just buying some tehre

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: I'm good.

I'm just gonna replace it once I get the cash

and a skylake core i3 or pentium or a cherry trail should do, so I suspect it should be reasonable to just replace the old war dog.

qasdfdsaq

I <3 Skylake

Probably the most futureproof Intel platform in many years

Journeyman Geek

It dosen't make sense to replace my ivy bridge with skylake yet

qasdfdsaq

Ironically, it's also the one Intel platform I waited longest to upgrade to but will also be keeping the shortest

TBH people who got their last machine after me have far less reason to upgrade

my X58 had neither PCIe3, SATA-III or USB 3.

Skylake has all that PLUS Thunderbolt-3

Journeyman Geek

In addition this machine is having rolling upgrades

(and all those things)

qasdfdsaq

00:51

The only -3 my X58 had was probably DDR-3

Journeyman Geek

Which is on the slow train to obsolence now ;p

qasdfdsaq

Eh. Prices still haven't dropped below what I paid for my DDR3 in 2009

I really hate transition periods though. We had it good for the last nine years, basically everything used DDR3 and DDR3 was all you needed.

Also the last few years everything used and charged via Micro USB

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bow there's type C, DDR4, and m.2

which is ONE reason why I'm waiting a gen or two to upgrade

that and my current box serves my purposes well

qasdfdsaq

There's a rumour the next generation after Skylake will move to 8-cores on the standard desktop platform

Aside from that though, I don't see any upcoming "must-have" feature that Skylake doesn't have

The only new thing potentially coming out would be PCIe 4, but I don't see anything benefitting from that right now

Journeyman Geek

That would be interesting

Though I'm pretty sure I'm not making full use of my quad core/hyperthreaded core i7

qasdfdsaq

01:01

Oh I most certainly am... :-/

In fact any time your CPU usage exceeds 50%, you're doing it

Journeyman Geek

01:51

Yeah. I kinda accidentally ended up with a little more money than I had planned for so got a locked core i7 over an unlocked core i5

Ramhound

So anyone with Windows 10 who is waiting for the fall update to hit their machine, find a better method, then using the media creation to do it?

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I've still had to find DDR2 recently :P

Ramhound

02:19

Man the MS servers are slow today lol

Journeyman Geek

02:36

Is that the cumulative update?

Abhishek Bhatia

02:51

Hey guys!

I have device that works by usb. I want to connect it wirelessly using another port. How do I know what poll request to be sent to it to get the data wirelessly.

When I straight away read the data it shows nothing in wireless.

does this make sense?

Ramhound

@JourneymanGeek No; its Threahold 2/Fall Update it changes the kernel build

What sort of device is it? You don't just connect USB devices wirelessly, lots more, to wireless data transfer

Abhishek Bhatia

It is CP210x USB

PLease check superuser.com/questions/1000040/…

it is on com port

@Ramhound Does this info help.

Journeyman Geek

03:06

@Ramhound I need to check that.

Journeyman Geek

03:21

@AbhishekBhatia if there is only support for XP maybe pass it through to a vm and.... Er... I donno... I think I have a question on blackwidow keyboards that may be enlightening.

There's tools for snooping on USB.

I'm at the vet so can't easily find the link.

Bob

03:42

@JourneymanGeek Heh, I did that for a TV tuner that only worked on Win7 and not Win8

Shortly before I gave up on it entirely.

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek " kinda accidentally ended up with a little more money than I had planned for"

Lol

@Bob I've got a box of the stuff

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I never had much DDR2.

qasdfdsaq

I skipped DDR1 entirely, but had plenty of DDR2

Had a perpetually-upgraded desktop and two laptops all running DDR2

So as it turns out, Taylor Swift was 22 when she released the song 22.

Or 23

Not sure. My math is bad

Holy crap, them terrorists really have it out for France lately...

Abhishek Bhatia

@JourneymanGeek Thanks for the reply! By vm you mean virtual machine? I tried to run in compatibility setting but it still didn't work.

qasdfdsaq

Yes, he means VM

VM's are like the sledgehammer solution when compatibility settings don't work.

Bob

03:52

@qasdfdsaq I still have a pile of old DDR and pre-DDR SDRAM somewhere.

Can't find it right now though o.O

Abhishek Bhatia

The guy with the support said that would be also doubtful to work.

I want to write my driver instead in python just to make it work cross-platform.

qasdfdsaq

I'm pretty sure I got rid of all my SD-RAM when I flogged my first PC which it was used in

Abhishek Bhatia

I somehow want to poll the device to send the data. I am unable to do this.

qasdfdsaq

DDR just wasn't my thing

Driver... Python... Ermm...

Two words I've never seen used in the same sentence

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Cross-platform "driver" too

Unless you mean something different by "driver"

qasdfdsaq

03:59

Maybe he means passenger?

Abhishek Bhatia

04:14

I want to get the data from port using pyserial and then just move the cursor accordingly.

Please do tell me if I am misunderstanding I am fairly new to port communication and drivers.

@qasdfdsaq What do you mean by a passenger?

Journeyman Geek

@AbhishekBhatia @qasdfdsaq one moment

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Q: Getting macro keys from a Razer BlackWidow to work on Linux

I picked up a Razer BlackWidow Ultimate that has additional keys meant for macros that are set using a tool that's installed on Windows. I'm assuming that these aren't some fancypants joojoo keys and should emit scancodes like any other keys. Firstly, is there a standard way to check these scanc...

@AbhishekBhatia the tools mentioned in the question may or may not be of use.

@qasdfdsaq those are 'drivers' (well tools that pass on magic packets) written in python and haskell

Abhishek Bhatia

Thanks for link but this is a bit confusing to me.

What do you think is the workflow here to the solution: superuser.com/questions/1000040/…

Abhishek Bhatia

04:45

Any pointer would be helpful.

Journeyman Geek

05:03

@AbhishekBhatia I have no idea, those are tools that may work for reverse engineering the protocol, but well, I personally didn't have the skills to put them to use.

0

Q: Netflix on Kali in a crouton chroot

Hi I have been playing with Kali as a secondary chroot to my Ubuntu one. I swapped out ice weasel for Firefox, and got pipelight installed. I turned on the plugin for silverlight and the Firefox browser recognized it after making the mozilla plugins. However when I start content I get a blac...

firefox kali-linux silverlight netflix pipelight

this seems painful.

ekaj

If there's an error in a post that's just 1 character, do I have to add 5 more characters and then just edit those out or let someone else modify that?

Journeyman Geek

hm, if you don't have enough rep? the latter.

Bob

05:20

@ekaj If it's a spelling or grammar fix? Leave it. If it's a technical/correctness fix? Look to see if there's spelling or grammar you can fix elsewhere. Otherwise there's always the HTML comment trick.

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Bob: I fix those ._.

It bothers me ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Fix what?

Journeyman Geek

Small errors

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Oh, I meant if you can't make the min character quota.

Journeyman Geek

Oh, I usually can.

@Bob boredpanda.com/baby-foxes-backyard-philip-wang

Bob

06:30

@JourneymanGeek :D

HackToHell

07:03

tinywall.pados.hu

Going to try that

Site makes it feel like malware tho

Abhishek Bhatia

@JourneymanGeek Thanks for the link. Your question seems to relate to my problem, but I am looking for general workflow for help.

Journeyman Geek

07:45

blog.adafruit.com/2015/11/14/…

Abhishek Bhatia

09:43

hey guys! I am still stuck at it.

I have device that works through usb and moves the pointer of my mouse. How can I make it work through wireless usb?

Journeyman Geek

@AbhishekBhatia its the same people here.

If someone knew, we'd have answered by now ;)

Journeyman Geek

11:36

@Ramhound: imgur.com/5LjtU50

Mokubai

I'm waiting for my machine to prepare the installer that will prepare the updater for preparation for installing.

Journeyman Geek

;p

Ramhound was kinda eager about it

and yay, black window decorations, hopefully

Mokubai

Hmm. Suspiciously quick to update.

There were problems...

My bootloader is odd, so not sure if this is going to work.

Journeyman Geek

lol

this is why I just buy seperate systems for other OSes ._.

(or pull a laptop out the boneyard)

Mokubai

11:53

Oh fer fecks sake, it has to redownload?!?!?

sigh

Journeyman Geek

Sounds like windows.

Mokubai

So I'm going to get Windows 10 failing to install (and thus killing the internet for some time while it redownloads) until I fix my hard drive setup.

Which means either buying an SSD (no money) or ripping a dog slow drive out of one of the old computers.

Journeyman Geek

aww

Mokubai

Might have enough for a 120GB SSD, but that feels small...

tereško

depends on what you will be using the build for

Mokubai

12:04

Gaming, but most stuff is on the 4TB drive, so probably not really a problem.

tereško

if it's for browsing internet and playing DOTA, then 120GB is just fine

@Mokubai you should be installing games on the SSD

Mokubai

Crufty old BIOS based computer.

@tereško If I had enough money to get a decent sized one then I would, but 4TB of spinning rust isn't "slow" to me.

tereško

if it's purely for OS and standard utilities, then 120GB will be good enough

Journeyman Geek

@Mokubai 120 is probably enough for a boot drive

tereško

I would say that even 60-80 would be enough

Journeyman Geek

12:09

I have 256GB but I only use about 80 on a messy box

Mokubai

Aye, my current OS partition is apparently at 60GB used, and could pare off some crud that's wasting space, move some of the user directories elsewhere...

Journeyman Geek

(actually pondering backing stuff up and refreshing this system)

Mokubai

Or just go and dig out an ancient 500GB spinning rust disk...

Journeyman Geek

lol

tereško

I have a 2x240GB of RAID0 with 204GB used (136GB is just games)

Journeyman Geek

12:11

Also depends on how picky you are I guess.

and heh, aside from the system I'm planning for my dad when I get my next job, most of my planned "IT" expenses are not computer stuff ._.

(new desk, and I just added a fancy chair to the pre 3 month rule list)

Mokubai

I'm intending to replace this machine mid next year. It's a good old workhorse but it's 5+ years old and I've been patching it up for a while by keeping the graphics card current.

tereško

what is the budget that you are looking at?

Mokubai

As near zero as possible. Probably going to cannibalise the old compy to be honest.

Might look at a cheapie: amazon.co.uk/Kingston-Technology-120GB-Solid-2-5-inch/dp/…

Mokubai

13:34

Okay. Tried again and now it doesn't say the update failed but I can't see a way to tell if it actually succeeded.

qasdfdsaq

I have a 120GB as my only drive in my work laptop

And that even has enough space to dual-boot Linux

Mokubai

Running winver gives me build 10240 but windows update isn't showing me an update any more.

qasdfdsaq

Oh is this the Windows 10 fall update

Mokubai

Aye

qasdfdsaq

13:53

Haven't had much luck myself, can't get Win 10 to install in the first place. Might try again with that new build

Mokubai

okay, my devices page (account.microsoft.com/devices) shows my machine as version "10.0.10240.16549" while an un-updated machine shows "10.0.10240.16433"

Whatever that means

Journeyman Geek

heh

mine seems to be stuck at the older version too

faiiil

Ramhound

@Mokubai - I had the same issue

Just use the Media Creation Tool

It works perfectly

The only thing I noticed which I can't say one way or another woudln't have happend if I went through Windows Update is I lost my StartIsBack installation

Mokubai

@Ramhound Without getting a new drive that option is out. My system is borked in an almost obscene fashion. Win10 installer will not even look at my disk in its current state.

Ramhound

Well that solves it not appearing

I don't believe you will have any more luck going through Windows Update honestly

But I don't know how the upgrade process differs though

Eventually it will appear apparently there is a small bug, based on a twitter response, basically windows will check once and if it fails it takes awhile to do it again

That isn't a direct quote but the general idea of the response.

Mokubai

14:09

@Ramhound No, I don't either. I've got Win10 Pro, so I can click the "Defer Upgrades" button and wait until I can get a new drive that I can give a legal partitioning scheme.

Ramhound

Yes

At least for a few months

I know enterprise has 1 month intermits up to 8 months

Mokubai

Basically BIOS + GPT is unsupported with Windows.

Ramhound

How is it even working if you have it setup like that?

Mokubai

I have the bootloader on a USB stick... I did say it was borked...

Ramhound

I see

Journeyman Geek

14:12

o0

Ramhound

I have a 3TB drive I have been wanting to convert to GPT for oh 2 years nw

I keep buying external drives for image backups

never did buy an internal to actually do the restoration :$

and the conversion

Mokubai

@Ramhound From experience, it's a PITA and will break these stupid "Image" style updates.

Ramhound

what GPT?

Journeyman Geek

o0

@Mokubai heh. I typically keep small cheap, spare drives 'in case;

Mokubai

@JourneymanGeek I know, I know

Journeyman Geek

14:14

Got the update going

seems to be a process similar to upgrading from windows 7/8 to 10 and you need to restart it from the update page

what a pain

Ramhound

It is a pain but no different then a linux or os x update ( in my opinion )

Journeyman Geek

not really

In theory I can use a linux system through a version update

Mokubai

Isn't a linux upgrade just an apt-get dist-update ?

Journeyman Geek

er no

Not always

on fedora its fed-up

but ya, same idea

Mokubai

Some hacking around in the distro sources, but otherwise that's what I did on the RasPi2

Journeyman Geek

14:17

I'm not going to knock out a system for an extended unknown period of time updating

Ramhound

what i mean is you have to restart, it takes "awhile", and the kernel changes in the process.

GFSE

GemsFromStackExchange: Wellcome to chat

posted on November 14, 2015

Wellcome to chat

Ramhound

First i think its a horrible idea they are not sending the update to everyone

Journeyman Geek

lol. I'm toying with getting my PI model B set up as a media center box for the old tele.

Ramhound

Because normally you would just schedule the update when you were not around

and didn't care and boom updated

But I am not going to allow my system to sit, update, without my knowlege ;$

Journeyman Geek

14:19

@Ramhound: oh, the main pc is set up so I can't see the screens from my bed.

Ramhound

you can or cannot?

Journeyman Geek

And for some reason that always displays on my secondary screen

can't

so I need to keep checking if its done

(laptop's set up for bedside use)

same desk

Ramhound

Ahhh;

Taking the lazy work days to a whole new level :-)

kidding

Journeyman Geek

lol

I'm planning on shifting my home 'workspace' to another room once my brother moves out

Ramhound

Ahhh

the old brother in your sleeping in office setup, gotcha!

Journeyman Geek

14:21

lol

alas

I don't get paid at the moment

even if I do have pay from my last job through this month

Ramhound

I refuse to turn the tv on today

putting my head in the sand; don't want to hear about Paris :$

Journeyman Geek

stardock.com/media/Mailers/stardock_magazine/nov2015/…

Nate Kerkhofs

Well then, this is annoying. I'm trying to install the Windows 10 1511,10586 update, and it tells me my computer is missing a required windows part, but it doesn't tell me what part I need

DavidPostill

@Ramhound Tragic. And it's not over:/ "Police are reportedly chasing a car containing four 'heavily armed men' who stormed through a motorway toll road as they headed towards Paris." reported one hour ago.

"Gatwick Airport in London was evacuated this morning following reports of a man with a 'grenade'. "

Nate Kerkhofs

14:39

Currently trying SFC to see if it can fix it

Journeyman Geek

hm

qasdfdsaq

Just turn around
And forget what you saw
Cause good girls are bad girls
who haven't been caught.

Journeyman Geek

o0

Ramhound

This type of attack is going to be the cause for everyone who follows the rules to spend hours in line to get into a country like Paris. While the people responsible will get into the country another way

Journeyman Geek

ooh

I got my mountain duck beta

@Ramhound paris is a city

qasdfdsaq

14:42

> With this update comes a slightly new way of describing Windows versions, and it's one that we expect to feature in other Microsoft software, too. winver in the original release describes windows as being "Version 10.0 (Build 10240)." In the new release, it's "Version 1511 (OS Build 10586.3)" as in, 11th month of 2015.

Ramhound

Yeah, France

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek mountainduck.io?

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Y3K

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Huh?

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq yes

Bob

14:43

@qasdfdsaq Is 0001 Jan 2000 or 3000? :P

qasdfdsaq

Ah

I strongly doubt we'll still be using Windows 10 in the year 3000.

Bob

That's what they always say.

qasdfdsaq

Especially since it's end-of-support is dated 2025

Bob

looks at XP usage counts

qasdfdsaq

Even XP didn't last 2% that long

Bob

14:45

@qasdfdsaq Technically, that's EOL for a specific version (build).

A version released later would have a later EOL, but could still be called Win10.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: Paris airport has critical windows 3.1 systems.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq yet

Ramhound

Why are we talking about Y3k?

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Which they're planning to get rid of, in the next year or two

Journeyman Geek

p

;p

Bob

14:46

@qasdfdsaq Win7 RTM is already EOL BTW.

(I just felt like using a lot of TLAs)

Nate Kerkhofs

There are probably some critical systems out there that runs on an OS that predates Microsoft

qasdfdsaq

I wonder what the longest you could keep a system up with Linux live patching

EOL not EOS

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Eh, I used those interchangeably.

> Support for Windows 7 RTM without service packs ended on April 9, 2013.

qasdfdsaq

EOES is 14 Jan 2020.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq That's with SP1 installed.

qasdfdsaq

14:47

Well if you want to go into service packs

Bob

That's why I specified RTM :P

qasdfdsaq

Windows 8.0 is going outo f support soon, if it hasn't already

Bob

And that's why I also talked about Win10's EOL for a specific build.

Journeyman Geek

yeah

Bob

Since Win10 is supposed to be continuously updated.

qasdfdsaq

14:47

Until 2025

Bob

Presumably the newer updates have correspondingly later EOLs.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: not for all eternity tho

Ramhound

Windows 10 doesn't have EOL for a specfici build because you have to run the current build for Home Pro

Nate Kerkhofs

Okay, so sfc /scannow did not find any integrity violations

Ramhound

MS will support Enterprise branches for specific amounts of time though

Nate Kerkhofs

14:48

I hope my second attempt at updating goes better

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Is it actually confirmed anywhere that it'll end 2025? Or is that a moving target?

qasdfdsaq

Microsoft specifically refer to only the current release of W10 ever being supported, and there not being any service packs

There won't be later releases.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Enterprise LTSB?

qasdfdsaq

That doesn't count >_>

Ramhound

Even Enterprise only allows you 8 months before you have to use the current branch ( unless you do the LTSB )

qasdfdsaq

14:49

They just pay Microsoft to be their bitch as long as their wallet isn't empty

Ramhound

..... ^^^ must we?

qasdfdsaq

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/lifecycle
End of extended support: 14 October 2025

Guess we'll have to wait another few years to see if it moves

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Yea, I was looking at that page.

But it doesn't indicate if it's a moving target.

qasdfdsaq

It doesn't indicate any of the others aren't.

Bob

I would've thought that, since Win10 was claimed to be the "last version" of Windows, that it's effectively become a product name in itself.

Rather than name + version.

qasdfdsaq

14:50

Did anyone really confirm it would be the "last version" of Windows?

Bob

(In other words: it isn't supposed to be superseded by a "later version")

Nate Kerkhofs

@qasdfdsaq That's what they said back when they announced it

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Looking now. Lots of news sites, looking for official statement.

e.g. theverge.com/2015/5/7/8568473/…

> "Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10." That was the message from Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, a developer evangelist speaking at the company's Ignite conference this week.

Well, they sourced the quote.

qasdfdsaq

I've also seen quotes where they've said they're working on the next version after windows 10

arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/05/…

^^ They put it as succinctly as ever

> Windows 10 to be the last version of Windows, until the next version
What's in a brand name? Not much.

> At its Ignite conference last week, a Microsoft developer evangelist, Jerry Nixon, was quoted as saying, "Right now we're releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we're all still working on Windows 10."

This is one of those statements that seems tremendously meaningful right up until the point that it isn't.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Yea, that's the writer's opinion though.

And of course they can always change their minds, release a later version, etc..

qasdfdsaq

14:54

If a one line quip at a conference is the only time it's even been mentioned by Microsoft themselves, it's hardly an official statement.

Bob

But AFAIK they haven't actually announced a EOL/EOS for Win10 publicly.

(Apart from that support page, which may well be updated as Win10 itself is updated.)

Ramhound

What they said was; They wanted to end the day sof "What verson of Windows are you running?"

Bob

Even on the lifecycle page:

qasdfdsaq

If the official Microsoft web site isn't public I don't know what is...

Bob

> Windows 10, released in July 2015

They specifically say the July 2015 'version' is EOS 2025.

qasdfdsaq

14:55

It's not as if the page hasn't been updated before, XP's EOS was announced many times

Bob

So presumably later versions get an updated EOS.

@qasdfdsaq I meant more of a press announcement thing. Or even a blog post.

qasdfdsaq

We're arguing semantics again

Ramhound

@Bob Respectfully I have to disagree with your conclusions

The EULA is pretty clear on this matter

It literally says you must be running the current version of Windows 10 to get support

Bob

@Ramhound Yea - I'm not saying specific versions will be supported in perpetuity.

Ramhound

This update won't extend the 2025 update. What might extend it is the Redstone update next year

Nate Kerkhofs

14:57

Okay, I'm going to try this Windows 10 update a second time. It's currently at 32% in the pre-install phase

Ramhound

We will see

Bob

Ya.

qasdfdsaq

Verision schmersion

Bob

Just have to wait and see.

qasdfdsaq

That's what I said. like ten minutes ago -_-

Bob

14:58

Traditionally, though, the release of a Service Pack has pushed the EOS date back.

And Win10 updates are not unlike Service Packs.

@qasdfdsaq Not disagreeing with you there!

Ramhound

I hope Windows 10 will have a single EOS date. Otherwise they are creating a headache for themselfs

Bob

@Ramhound shrug I was actually expecting this to be more of a "subscribe for updates".

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