Root Access

Nate Kerkhofs

11:06

If you make your ledger book in Excel and configure it properly, it will auto recalculate

Journeyman Geek

@MyDaftQuestions: heh. I have MS project in my backups

@RecycleBin SSH SSH SSH.

Nate Kerkhofs

I got a different thing I want to verify: I got an I5 2500K, no OC, been running at 100% for all cores for the past 5 minutes or so, stays stable at 60-61 °C by the looks of it.

I don't know what brand of cooler I have, but I'm checking right now

I think my cooler is a Thermaltake Frio

the computer is 4 years old, the Narwhal build of mmo-champion.com/content/…

Is that temperature acceptable?

Leathe

60ºC at 100% load?

Nate Kerkhofs

yeah, from what OHWM tells me

Leathe

yeah, that's pretty good

Nate Kerkhofs

11:13

60 °C or slightly above. all 4 cores at 100% load

Leathe

I'm assuming the TJ-max is at 105ºC

Nate Kerkhofs

started at around 35-40 when idling

Leathe

so you're still approx 40 degrees from where the motherboard will go "NOPE."

Nate Kerkhofs

thing is, last time when i dusted off my computer, the thermal paste was dried out, so I just removed it, but didn't replace it because I didn't have any

that was about 3-4 months ago, during the summer break

Leathe

hm

Nate Kerkhofs

11:14

is not using thermal past a problem?

Leathe

not really if you have that low temp, but using it might give you even lower temperatures

Journeyman Geek

60-61 is pretty good.

Also intel stock heat sink paste is thick

Nate Kerkhofs

I think it's been running for 10 or so minutes now, and the max so far has been 62 according to OHWM

Aux is at 45, Mobo at 28

Leathe

@NateKerkhofs have it running for about another 5-10 minutes and see if it goes higher at all

I usually test temps for 25-30 minutes, or if I see that it doesn't increase at all after a certain point

Nate Kerkhofs

I'll see. I'm running a 4 thread simulation at High priority (not highest) that calculate damage potential in Warcraft

Journeyman Geek

11:19

Thats fine

heh

Nate Kerkhofs

so I'm kinda limited to how long that simulation lasts

Journeyman Geek

notifuse.com/stickers#form I came across this on twitter.

4

Nate Kerkhofs

@JourneymanGeek 15 competing standards - "Let's make one to unify them all" Now 16 competing standards

That is the biggest issue with all those "new and exciting ideas" that try to make our lives better: unless you can get everyone to convert and make conversion easy and painless, you're just going to divide the market even further

Journeyman Geek

@NateKerkhofs: yup.

Leathe

@JourneymanGeek gonna have to check that out when I get home :b

Journeyman Geek

11:26

Yuuuup

Nate Kerkhofs

11:36

since my previous message 15 minutes ago, it has spiked to 62.5 °C, but it's back to 61 now. Still running at 100% on all cores. Core 2 and CPU Package (whatever that is) have spikes at 63, 1 and 3 at 60, 4 at 61. individual core temp is fluctuating between 57 and 61% right now

Leathe

it's fine then

you could add some thermal paste in a few weeks/months

could get a bit lower temps then

as long as you don't apply too much :P

that's apparently a very common issue for people

Nate Kerkhofs

If I'm going to add thermal past, it's likely going to be early next year

I've never personally applied thermal paste, so I'll have to be careful

Hennes

Being careful is almost always good.

But there are quite some guides on how to apply thermal paste

All come down to this:
1) The paste does NOT conduct the heat as well as the heat sink. Thus use as little as possible.
2) But do use enough to fill all the tiny air holes which conducts even less heat.

And even a shiny polished piece of metal is not 100% flat and has holes

Nate Kerkhofs

And considering how clumsy I usually am, I might just leave it like that, considering I'm still 10 °C under what Intel recommends as a safe temp (72 °C) and more than that below the temperature where it starts to throttle itself

Or does TP have another goal besides making heat transfer go better?

Hennes

No, it just helps to transfer heat away from the CPU's heatspreader to the main heat sink

Nate Kerkhofs

11:45

I'm not sure how much it'll help either. some sites say it can reduce by up to 20 °C, but I don't believe that to be honest

Leathe

not really. its purpose is to make sure two metal pieces are "connected", for lack of a better word

Journeyman Geek

@NateKerkhofs: puget systems has a nice guide

qasdfdsaq

Thermal paste?

Leathe

since having two metal pieces touch, there's a lot of extra room in between still

qasdfdsaq

I have a PhD in Thermal Paste!

-1 TO THE RESCUE!

Journeyman Geek

11:46

Pretty much

Leathe

oh yeah? well I have a PhE

Hennes

It depends on how well things were before and after.
A very poor setup before, and a perfectly applied paste one afterwards might make a huge difference.
A normal setup as start and a perfect one afterwards should differ a lot less

Nate Kerkhofs

I also already have a non-stock cooler (a Frio), which should help

This is my source for my build: mmo-champion.com/content/… I got Narwhal

but with a different case, GPU and a 1 TB 850 Evo

the simulation is currently on the last major step, so I'll be able to check the more or less idle temp then

Leathe

you could also check how fast the temp goes down

approximately, tho

no need to bring out a timer :P

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, there's that

Nate Kerkhofs

11:52

And my CPU fan hasn't even gone past 66% speed, so I think there might even be some improvement there

Leathe

do you have any way of controlling the fan speed?

Nate Kerkhofs

That I don't know

simulation just finished and the temperature has already dropped to 45 °C across the board seconds after finishing

and still looks liike it's dropping

Leathe

because if it's really only at 66% speed, I wanna know the temps when it's at 100% speed :P

Nate Kerkhofs

It's currently fluctuating between 41 and 45 °C

silly typos

and still dropping sort of, it's dropping below 40 even right now

so yeah, I doubt I'll run into heat issues for the moment

anyway, the 1 o'clock news is about to start

so cya in about half an hour

qasdfdsaq

@NateKerkhofs That's perfectly fine, in fact better than fine.

@NateKerkhofs Now that I have difficulty believing.

@NateKerkhofs You should check your per-core clock speeds and duty cycles. It's impossible to be getting those temperatures under load without thermal paste

@Hennes I'd say err on the side of more. For the inexperienced, too little will be a major issue, too much will only cause minor degradation. Thermal paste may not conduct as well as direct contact with the heatsink, but it conducts hundreds of times better than an air gap.

@NateKerkhofs When you say "Removed the thermal paste" explain what you actually did.

@NateKerkhofs Actually it's very true. Good thermal paste can reduce temperatures up to 20'c vs. bad paste, under extreme conditions, but even crap thermal paste will reduce your temperatures by 50c compared to no thermal paste

@Hennes Yeah, this. The best paste vs. even chocolate can be less than 5'c difference. A site did also test lipstick, toothpaste, and peanut butter as well I believe.

Hennes

12:09

I've used thermal paste in the paste (generic brand) and semi-recently (about 5 years ago. Artic silver on a Nehalem heatsink).
Never tried switching paste. Always used the old generic one on my celeron-1's and AMD MP's.
Only tested the artic silver on my i7 920.
Second try with the i7 the temps dropped by about 4C at idle and 10C at load.

So i guess that unless you are experienced you might have to try several times with test runs in between.

qasdfdsaq

Personally I tend to see no more than about 3-5'c difference, but really getting the "ultimate" thermal paste is primarily an exercise for extreme overclockers whose systems are otherwise on the edge.

If your system is 3-5'c away from overheating, then there's tons of more effective things you can do to counter it.

But again, last time I tried no thermal paste my 920 hit 100'c before I got to the OS

Hennes

Atm my cores are between 29C and 33C.
That is on a mostly idle system with breowser, putty, thunderbird, calc.exe, ...

No overclocking. (nor underclocking)

qasdfdsaq

My PC's off, so I can't tell >_>

Hennes

And a room temp of 21C

qasdfdsaq

But I also have a high-end water-cooling system so mine wouldn't be a very good comparison

Nate Kerkhofs

12:31

@qasdfdsaq I'll be honest, I THINK I removed the TP. I detached the heatsink and there appeared to be some kind of dry residue on the CPU, but I'm not sure if that was the thermal paste or something else

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Eh, water would also do very well... until it evaporates.

Nate Kerkhofs

Whatever it was, it wasn't completely covering the CPU, so I'm not sure if it's thermal paste or something else

Bob

I just get whatever cheap-ish paste the local shop has :P

Nate Kerkhofs

and I'm not really keen on taking my computer apart to see if there is still thermal paste there

Leathe

@NateKerkhofs did you buy the computer in parts or as pre-built?

qasdfdsaq

12:32

@NateKerkhofs Best leave it. Depending on how thoroughly you cleaned it off there may be some left and it seems to be doing its job

Nate Kerkhofs

I chose the parts, but I had it assembled at a local store

I had no experience whatsoever with assembling computers myself, so I paid someone to do it and make it work

Leathe

then they probably put the paste in, which commonly means they just put a drop or a small line and then press the heatsink on to it

there's usually no need to completely cover the whole cpu

Nate Kerkhofs

What might also be possible is that it wasn't thermal paste that I saw, but something like coalesced dust that formed strings or similar in the small crannies between the heatsink and the mobo itself. It's been like 4 months since I last cleaned for dust, so I'm not sure

I'm probably going to have another dedusting in January. Get a can of air, take it outside on a dry day and just blow away all the dust

but I haven't had any major computer issues in the past 4 months since I installed Windows 10, so Don't fix what isn't broken

242

Q: OK we're all adults here, so really, how on earth should I use a squat toilet?

OK so for anyone that's travelled beyond North America and Western Europe you know what I'm talking about. Left: Romania, last year. Right: Turkey, last night. They start popping up in the Balkans and of course they're everywhere by the time you get to Turkey and become totally unavoidable no ...

Unless that was already linked in the day since @bob sent that

Bob

@NateKerkhofs it was.

Journeyman Geek

12:48

Its been linked here a few times

Nate Kerkhofs

That's what you get when the most upvoted question on the sidebar remains there so long yet has such an easy answer

Journeyman Geek

@NateKerkhofs: and certain topics repeat here ;p

qasdfdsaq

13:03

@Leathe No, but it's better to. I tend to call it a sloppy job if I find the CPU isn't completely covered.

@NateKerkhofs Err what? :-o

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: er, apparently no one really does it that way.

Well. I guess if you use the card squgee trick.

That said

pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/…

If I did it, I'd read this

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Haven't used the card squeegee for a decade, but I still cover my CPU :-P

Especially with modern designs that have silicon under most of the heatspreader or are off-centre and elongated and have extremely high heat density. And what's the point of the heat-spreader if half of it can't spread heat?

Still reading that page but the technique I read and used from other sites doesn't seem to be included

Journeyman Geek

Oh and there's the wierd technique with exotic liquid metal heat sink stuff

qasdfdsaq

Yeah that stuff is undeniably far better than thermal paste in heat conductivity but an utter pain to work with

Journeyman Geek

the one where you put a small amount and work it into the heat sink

er

Processor?

qasdfdsaq

13:16

It's also corrosive and basically cold solders the two together

Journeyman Geek

Anyway, you get the idea

yeaaah

qasdfdsaq

So the technique I was taught was the X but with dots instead of lines

Journeyman Geek

Makes sense I suppose

qasdfdsaq

By taught I mean read it on the internet somewhere

Journeyman Geek

But troublesome if you're doing a bunch of systems at once.

qasdfdsaq

13:18

It's troublesome full stop. Especially if you plan on reselling the components later

Journeyman Geek

The cross and dot system?

qasdfdsaq

Crossed dots?

Journeyman Geek

1 min ago, by qasdfdsaq

So the technique I was taught was the X but with dots instead of lines

qasdfdsaq

X         X

      X

X        X

err, slightly less wonky than that

hardwaresecrets.com/thermal-compound-roundup-january-2012/5

Even mustard is 24'c better than no thermal paste

Journeyman Geek

exotic liquid metal heat sink stuff is just trouble, period.

ooh

That's new

I've seen the dans hardware version of that.

qasdfdsaq

13:20

2012/05 is new??

Journeyman Geek

relatively

qasdfdsaq

(Also note, the LGA2011 chips are much bigger than the LGA115x ones so application methods may differ)

^^ That's how I do it

Seems to actually be pretty rare now that I look for it

Bob

13:50

I just went with the X across the middle

Worked well enough shrug

qasdfdsaq

14:00

Yeah that turns out to be the best of the lot from JMG's article

Journeyman Geek

;p

qasdfdsaq

This is a terrible question

0

Q: Multiple routers & access point setup

Could you please advise to proper router & secondary router setup for my staff building. Our existing connection is as shown on the diagram. However many of users are facing alternative disconnection, slowdown, IP conflict etc. So please advise the best solution for routers IP config & WiF...

router

It deserves far more downvotes

Journeyman Geek

._.

Hi, The main router and EA 1900 routers are only my control. All other routers are configured by my colleagues themselves; seems different ip address. — Haris Nov 1 at 8:41

whaaaa?

Terrifying is an understatement

qasdfdsaq

Having someone with so little clue in charge of such a network is terrifying or the thought of having to tell him what to do is terrifying?

Journeyman Geek

14:15

At this point, what he has to do is simple

tear everything out, set it in a pile, and run it on fire.

I'd consider the situation terrifying

qasdfdsaq

Yeah

Oliver Salzburg

15:02

24 messages deleted

→ 24 messages moved to Trashcan

HackToHell

earthporm.com/what-your-cat-really-thinks

qasdfdsaq

:sadface:

It seems my penis enlargement spam was not welcome

Bob

o.o

Recycle Bin

15:33

recycle bin not trash can

qasdfdsaq

16:17

Oh look a talking trash can

Recycle Bin

16:31

hey, its recycle bin

allquixotic

17:05

hi

qasdfdsaq

hi

Oh it's after 5

Bob

Hi. It's 4 am.

qasdfdsaq

Your timezone sucks :-P

Why are you still up at 4am?

Bob

I'm apparently nocturnal

qasdfdsaq

Ah. Me too. Except there's this damn job getting me up in the mornings :(

Recycle Bin

17:41

im nocturnal for sure

do you have bonfire night in america

Mokubai

18:25

@qasdfdsaq That is just horrifying.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek As a photographer have you ever heard phrase "in-kind shooting"?

1. Right bottom: http://www.fomecs.com.my/en/cart

2. Picture: http://img01.cp.aliimg.com/imgextra/i4/300463178/T2AkZRXo8XXXXXXXXX_!!300463178.jpg

3. Discussion: http://www.wordorigins.org/index.php/forums/viewthread/4667/

bwDraco

@Boris_yo Not heard of it.

Michael Frank

18:51

@bwDraco Neither have I, although I haven't kept up with photography over the last couple years.

Mokubai

19:23

@Boris_yo From the one of the pages you are linked they suggest that it is a mistranslation and they actually mean that the photo is of a similar kind of product and not the actual product itself:

> Dave’s suggestion that it’s intended to mean “the photograph shows a similar product, but not the specific item being offered” is plausible.

@Boris_yo From your Fomec site: "All goods are in-kind shooting, but because of the display, lighting and other reasons, it is inevitable that there is color different in order to prevail in kind."

Definitely supports the idea that the photos "might not be the exact product you are looking at" due to problems with lighting and display purposes.

qasdfdsaq

19:42

@Mokubai Haha, yes. And JMG's answer starts with "This is a little terrifying"

LOL at your etherkiller though

LOLOLOLOLOL

Mokubai

People need to be taught lessons. Sometimes the hard way is the fun way.

qasdfdsaq

@Mokubai I'm not sure of the legality of such a device though, lest it accidentally turn into a PeopleKiller

Mokubai

Tell them to stand back first?

@qasdfdsaq Should I instead suggest user attitude readjustment via a length of Clue-by-four?

qasdfdsaq

20:07

@Mokubai Well, I was thinking of the application of the etherkiller remotely rather than with the user standing there.

In front of the user you'll have less chance of getting hit with manslaughter charges but more likely they'll retaliate

Psycogeek

21:33

@Boris_yo Ѿ bad translation, they mean to say Shooting The Clone :-) on e-bay it is also known as stealing the pictures from someone elses auction (who sells the real item)

allquixotic

O.o LG has thin netbook/ultrabook form factor systems now? @Bob

Psycogeek

all these poor excuses (on amazon and e-bay) that it Doesnt look like the item they pictured, has nothing to do with lighting issues , it really isnt the item they pictured. instead it is something they saved 5Cents on. Bought at wholesale junk factory for super cheap, or have made in china to the wrong specs.

allquixotic

21:52

!!zalgo Bleh

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic B̵͉̦̖̥̟̩̍ͭ̒͆͝l͙̦̦̜͂͞ȩ̵̸̙̋ͤ̌ͣ̂̀ͩ͜͜h̙̭̰̩̘͜͟

Psycogeek

The whiney server: the landlord in anticipation of getting an e-mail sent , pushed the "get all messages" to often. Server sends a message back to knock it off :-) that is new.

More whiney robots telling us what to do, while they demand that we verify We're The Humans. Well We ARE the humans, do your robot job and STFU

Journeyman Geek

Morning

allquixotic

hi jmg

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

22:00

ignore that, i need it for another purpose

Journeyman Geek

lol

Clearly. I've not mentioned OS/2 yet

allquixotic

now you have

Journeyman Geek

Yes

Also (touch wood), if your ISP stops doing unlimited lifehacker.com/… may be of interest.

allquixotic

!! s/touch/knock on/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Also (knock on wood), if your ISP stops doing unlimited lifehacker.com/… may be of interest. (source)

allquixotic

22:08

different idioms in your country and mine apparently

Journeyman Geek

lol

Seems so

ahh

touch wood is british

qasdfdsaq

22:29

The above is a good example of why dimmer marked "do not use on inductive loads" should not be used on inductive loads.

2

Canadian Luke

Details?

bwDraco

Not all too familiar with this, but why do inductive loads (e.g. motors) problematic burn up thermostats?

qasdfdsaq

Not entirely sure. Someone who knows better than me explained it earlier

Something to do with an inductive load causing reactive voltage spikes that caused the capacitor to blow up

Literally blow up. Burning a hole in the side of it and out the top

Odd thing is it kept working, I only took it out because my replacement arrived

Damn electrodynamics

DavidPostill

22:44

Somehow everybody missed this spam answer

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A: How to allow other computers from outside my network to access my virtual web server?

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spammy resume link at the end.

qasdfdsaq

Resume?

DavidPostill

Can everybody flag it please?

qasdfdsaq

What does he expect to get hired spamming his resume on SU?!

DavidPostill

CV writing service

qasdfdsaq

Ah

DavidPostill

22:46

Super charge your career with
our professional resume
writing service

It's gone ;)

qasdfdsaq

Yes please!

I would like to supercharge my career

> It looks like you're trying to supercharge your career.

Would you like help?

Well that wasn't very helpful

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq You should stick to supercharging dimmers! ;)

qasdfdsaq

Ermm

I only put 28w load on it and it says load capability 400w!

A.J. Ruckman

23:03

Anyone have tips for stress testing a new CPU in a server?

Like, what's the best and fastest to use

Journeyman Geek

Stress testing, by nature isn't fast.

A.J. Ruckman

fastest

I just don't want to be here all night lol

I'm using Prime95 right now, but is stress better?

Journeyman Geek

Prime95 is what I'd use, though, not multithreaded?

qasdfdsaq

23:19

Prime95 on Windows multithreads fine

Nah it multithreads on Linux too. And supports AVX

Journeyman Geek

(Its been a while)

techreport.com/news/29287/…

Oliver Salzburg

49

Q: How can I produce high CPU load on Windows?

For testing purposes I need to generate high CPU load on a Windows Server 2003. I cannot install any software but have to make do with what Windows provides. What would be the best way to achieve that?

windows performance cpu-usage

Recycle Bin

23:38

put bricks on top of pc tower

+1 +! +1 +1 +! +1 +1 +! +1 +1 +! +1 +1 +! +1

Journeyman Geek

._.

Ramhound

whats with all the scrumbs on HOTS tonght

man i hate osing

also miss that other moba came...by ea

:-(

Journeyman Geek

errrr

Dawngate?

allquixotic

Dawngate was fantastic

Psycogeek

@A.J.Ruckman most abusive to temp of a standard desktop cpu is small FFT , if something passes that, without throttling, the cooling is completly sufficient.

Ramhound

23:48

yes it was

Recycle Bin

this game makes my fans go crackers

and I can cook eggs on it

Psycogeek

@A.J.Ruckman then set for "custom" and select to use most of the ram, I find that when the ram is not tweaked perfectally (and would cause tiny corruption) custom use of most of the ram (not yet used) in prime will show a fail. Some say it could also fail anyways, i do not believe it.

Journeyman Geek

lol

@allquixotic: XD. I was abbbbooouttt to mention you.

@allquixotic: Also, original content from EA. Which is rare

Ramhound

SMITE installer for the fail, installed AMD CPU drivers on an intel system

or tried to

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Why would a game (a game?) need to install that?

Recycle Bin

23:54

its SHITE

Journeyman Geek

Was that necessary?

Recycle Bin

it rhymed so yes

Ramhound

no idea

it was a pre-req or claimed to be

Journeyman Geek

so strange

Ramhound

man I am so bored at work

....

Recycle Bin

23:56

I understand that

Journeyman Geek

lol

been bingewatching the newsroom past few days

Ramhound

no, you have no idea, I literally have nothing to work on. We have no projects with funding. So I am literally just charging to "support"

ChatBot John Cavil

I have just been restarted! This happens daily automatically, or when my owner restarts me. Ready for commands.

Recycle Bin

man my job used to consist of listening to phone calls 8 hours a day

and they were loud and I didnt learn much from it

now thats boring

Canadian Luke

Where was the free SSL place?

Journeyman Geek

23:58

er... letsencrypt?

Ramhound

your mean the ssl project where you install a script and they give you a cert?

^^ that

__

Psycogeek

@Ramhound wow, support, what a concept , i feel that is more like the most important thing and a human at the support even better .

Canadian Luke

There was a place we talked about about a month ago for getting a free SSL certificate

Recycle Bin

isnt google and firefox working on that

Ramhound

Yeah were only charging it because our project is late for the third time, and the funding, will take 6 weeks

yeah letsencrypt was it

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