Root Access

qasdfdsaq

00:21

@DavidPostill Wow, Recycle bin has less rep than I got for my first ever answer on SU

I see him around so much that I just assumed he was a long-time regular, but no, his rep's so low it might as well not even exist

Journeyman Geek

Naw

he's almost as new as you

ooh

cstitch is a lot better than it used to be.

(program for converting images to cross stitch)

qasdfdsaq

Heh, that sounds like a niche application if I ever saw one

Leathe

I've been a member for 2.5 years and my rep is lower than yours ;P @qasdfdsaq

qasdfdsaq

Eh, I just sorta assume anyone I see here more often than myself has more rep than myself

@Leathe I mean I see you around regularly but not 24/7 like some guys >.>

Journeyman Geek

>_>

@qasdfdsaq: 24/7 means they have a computer left on somewhere ;p

DavidPostill

00:27

@Leathe I've been a member for 1.25 years and my rep is higher than yours ;)

qasdfdsaq

And that computer is talking all the time heh

Leathe

@DavidPostill yeah ;P

qasdfdsaq

I know I'm basically online 24/7 since I've probably got 400 tabs open on my work PC which is left on 24/7

Leathe

my point is that rep isn't always affected by membership length

but rather how much time you actually spend

qasdfdsaq

Except during rep willy-waving contests, at which point, the length of your member is your rep

Leathe

00:29

moar graphs

this matplotlib is really handy

qasdfdsaq

> It is too late to edit this message

Noooooooooooo

Leathe

your previous message?

DavidPostill

lol

Leathe

because I just realized you inadvertently made a joke there :P

qasdfdsaq

I wanted to adjust the member bit to make it even wittier

Leathe

00:33

could've been on purpose, not sure :P

qasdfdsaq

Why do the stupidest questions always get the most answers and upvotes :(

DavidPostill

@qasdfdsaq You have a particular question in mind?

qasdfdsaq

Far too many

I hate this place.

I quit

Psycogeek

@qasdfdsaq because they can have the largest base of people who can answer, arrive there, and just upvote what was already answered , and properly too.

qasdfdsaq

Dammit how many SU chat windows do I have open...

Psycogeek

00:40

and they are also usually "easy read" answers , where determining the accuracy of the statements (to upvote) is a breeze.

DavidPostill

SO is worse ;)

Psycogeek

then they become "hot network questions" yup the dumbest of the bunch, people flock in from other SE sites and also agree with the answers

DavidPostill

Shh. Getting a good answer on Hot Network is good for rep ;)

Psycogeek

it is all or nothing baby, like that video game that you either die endlessly in a struggle to survive, or dominate the whole game.

DavidPostill

You need a good seed question though.

Psycogeek

00:47

that stays alive through agressive, "find any reason to close" or mark as dupe.

DavidPostill

137

Q: Why are there no odd Windows process Ids?

There are many ways to look at the process IDs in Windows, in PowerShell: ps | select Id, ProcessName | Sort Id | ft -AutoSize gives me: Id ProcessName -- ----------- 0 Idle 4 System 264 svchost 388 smss ...

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: I often say there's a VERY VERY fine line between a HNQ and a closure.

Psycogeek

so it is not like you will be making one up to answer (with that throwaway account) because all that has already been done by now.

DavidPostill

@Psycogeek lol. Now there's an idea ;)

@JourneymanGeek HNQ?

Psycogeek

well it would still be a better written question, for the purpose of archiving the data on the site.

then instead of a messy half caps , mispelled, grammer destroyed , 2nd language hard to read question, it is even quicker to upvote the answers.

Journeyman Geek

00:53

Hot Network Question

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Ah. Obvious when it's pointed out ;)

Journeyman Geek

and eh. The cross stitch design I use is vastly improved

(I don't cross stitch. I design, my mom stitches)

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek As Singapore used to be a British colony why do you use US spelling?

qasdfdsaq

01:10

Fuck found another one

I try to quit SU but every time I close the chat window I find another one lurking in my stack of 400 tabs

Recycle Bin

unplug the computer quick!

Leathe

@DavidPostill, mom instead of mum in this case? :b

DavidPostill

@Leathe Yep ;)

Journeyman Geek

01:28

@DavidPostill ahh. No idea there :p. Spellcheck?

RookieTEC9

01:51

Happy Halloween PPL

:]

Psycogeek

http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/ash-vs-evil-dead/722361/ looks like your dog has gone on to fighting zombies :-)
Ash vs. Evil Dead

DavidPostill

@RookieTEC9 Halloween has finished ...

RookieTEC9

02:18

It depends where you live. In Hawaii, for example, it is 4:18 pm. That is not the end of Halloween.

(Or is it?)

Psycogeek

03:42

it is about 9 here in ca, so the little monsters are still out. but activity back down here is still very low, only had 6 kids

could be they do all that online now :-)

trick r' treat e-mails and all

HackToHell

3

Recycle Bin

04:04

is that dragonlord

Psycogeek

now that there is 25GIG :-O speeds on ram, I am wondering if ECC now would finnaly make a tiny dent in the speed of normal operations?

back when they were at 3-6gig type speeds, ecc on or off made like no difference in even benches that were much ram dependant.

Recycle Bin

apparently ddr 4 is slower at writing than ddr3

and the cpu has to support ddr4 as well

Psycogeek

lol, i noticed that it seemed that it is just a new number :-) and not a lot of vast changes, the same basic "chip" items, loads of latency to have them work in whatever the new method is.

Recycle Bin

even if its an i7 you have to upgrade it to an i7 5164 or something

Ramhound

04:38

( so confused was suppose to change my clocks tonight, but ever online clock i have, matches my clocks already )

Bob

@qasdfdsaq 400? amateur :P

Ramhound

oh, it happens at 2AM, no wonder

internet for the win

HackToHell

05:31

setosa.io/blog/2014/07/26/markov-chains/index.html

Journeyman Geek

Needs some tweaks

(cross stitch design ;p)

Recycle Bin

05:57

I need a new dog

Psycogeek

06:14

what is wrong with the old one?

Psycogeek

06:39

other than not being able to teach it new tricks :-)

Psycogeek

06:51

superuser.com/questions/994497/… & superuser.com/questions/994142/… need to be combined to one question and the one fine answer (for both). and not really set as a dupe, just slapped together :-)

Journeyman Geek

Closed one as the dupe of another

Meh

Instructions are there for a reason.

And if it isn't costing you money, meh. do it.

Psycogeek

good, i slopped the one into the other, and got a clean all in one answer for the whole Toner filling question.

Boldly, knowing it could be reverted easily :-)

Psycogeek

07:19

these 2 superuser.com/questions/994230/windows-10-memory-leak-proc-tag & superuser.com/questions/986540/… Magicandre asked for an xperf (BS having to DL a SDK as a user) and the Xperf data was provided.

I got a bounty that i could toss on either one, if someone would FINISH it :-) i mean you ask for the data they provide it, and it obviously has other people seeing the same thing.

Me thinks there is either an update (where MS does the compressed ram thing) or a logical reason why this is occuring, that Can be explained fully, therefore a bounty.

the web shows 4 possible (LOL) solutions (ok workarounds) for the problem which IS a problem when it is failing , not just the usual using all the memory.

One of those things that solves for some, but not for others, or solves it for a while
1) shut off stupidFetch
2) the paging size was set wrongly , causing the fail, not the abuse
3) Bad programs leaking like seives

4) something going wrong with ReadyBoost, which could be something to do with bad attempts at turning it off, because it is not so easy to just stop.

ChatBot John Cavil

HAMMERTIME!

Psycogeek

@ChatBotJohnCavil wacks chatbot upside the head!

Psycogeek

07:47

So would my bounty go to waste with stock answers and lame repetitions, if these low rep fly by night users do not come back to finish it. The point would be to completly discover the actual cause.

Psycogeek

08:02

there are 2 others that are stock win10 uses too much ram.
it is interesting on the subject of the ram compression
http://superuser.com/questions/950120/windows-10-high-memory-usage-when-screen-is-off "This means that when Memory Manager feels memory pressure, it will compress unused pages instead of writing them to disk. "

Ramhound

far to often people say "windows is using to much memory!" and my response is "why do you think that" I don't blame people of course because this used to be a problem and by "used to be a problem" i mean before Windows XP :$

Psycogeek

This suggests that the MS method IS to compress the 00 out block sets (unused), not to do hard work compressing memory. But at any rate a technique of this style can Hide a problem that it actually has.

Ramhound

Most often if there is a problem its a driver memory leak

It is difficult to filter those questions from the rest though

I agree we need a good memory question though

Psycogeek

@Ramhound oh yea i forgot 5) driver

Ramhound

Anyone tell me how anyone as a programmer with any sort of self-wroth would actually make assassincreed.com/reward? The site is so brokeN!

youtu.be/-aiYWCWx4Fc?t=20 "disk mangement otter" lol

Journeyman Geek

08:13

@Ramhound 0_0

The wolves thin the RAID arrays, removing the slowest and weakest disks to keep the average seek speed high.

Ramhound

If you are wondering why its broken. The site will just reload for no reason, losing your login status,

Journeyman Geek

@Ramhound: So... its like a lot of ubisoft's games?

Ramhound

pretty much

Psycogeek

@Ramhound right i would filter a Whiney "why is it using so much memory" out over the Duude it is fully tossing a out of memory error, and programs are failing. this "proc" thing as discussed on MSanswers seems to be the latter, causing complete fails.

Stupidly i dont even know what this process is, not having yet touched win10. seems to have things combined under it much like those other group it services things (which i hate).

I would also still like to know about any of the things that are Excessivly paging, or require this ram compresssion to :-PPPPht fix them.

Psycogeek

08:43

Upgrading (instead of clean install) and all that stuff people have , some of which may not be compatable with win10. problem is they just dont Know then. If they had to one-by-one install that stuff, they might know when they install something everything started going badly. one program a day that is all we ask :-)

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Psycogeek

the first user has a fairly large list of crap running, probably 1/2 of which didnt require to be running for testing :-)

Journeyman Geek

superuser.com/questions/708538/… that's unusual.

Huge bounty, given a second time, on an old question.

noitego.com/comic/evocation-2-0

Psycogeek

For worlds lasiest pet owners

Journeyman Geek

._.

Swiss cow getting a massage!

►

Needs at LEAST a robot arm

Psycogeek

09:00

cowwash

my last job i sold these to video rental stores . . . that didnt go well.

Journeyman Geek

heh

Swinging cow brush

►

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek What's not so unusual is that the second answer appears to show a permanent fix, while the accepted highly upvoted answer provides only a temporary fix ...

@JourneymanGeek Great comic ;)

Ramhound

09:17

wiat hwat?

dvd rewinder?

How is a question that already got a bounty and awarded it eligible for another bounty?

That screams fishy.

Journeyman Geek

Same user

I tend to consider giving away more than half your rep away as bounty dumb, but shrug

Mokubai

@JourneymanGeek curious about the deleted answer on that one... Suspicious.

Ramhound

Was the deleted answer deleted before or after the bounty was issued?

If they are the same user isn't that not allowed? SE devs didn't mean for a bounty to transfer reputation ( recently been reading up on that )

Mokubai

@Ramhound link?

Ramhound

I read it couple days ago

The general idea was that a bounty's purpose was to reward a good answer not transfer reputation between users. So if the "user" is trying to transfer reputation between usernames that is :$

DavidPostill

09:33

32

Q: on ubuntu 13.10 multiple hits on ctrl+tab makes my intellij 13 keyboard stuck (no key works)

I have to restart my intellij every like 20 minutes whenever I hit multiple times ctrl+tab. It looks like clicking this multiple time on my ubuntu 13.10 + intellij 13.01 makes my intellij stuck. on intellij 12 same OS everything is just fine. anyway to work around this?

ubuntu intellij-idea ubuntu-13.10

@Mokubai

Mokubai

Yeah. Just looking at that.

Ramhound

What link were you asking for? I just assumed you wanted the SEDEV viewpoint

Mokubai

Aye, the link for the SE opinion

Ramhound

0

Q: Is it possible to view a movie in 2 locations at once?

Is it possible to view a movie at the same time using my phone, while it's playing on my laptop? If possible, vlc would be my first choice, but I could use other players as well.

video vlc-media-player movies

What? ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Psycogeek

@Ramhound well did you ever have to go to the bathroom during a good movie :-)

DavidPostill

09:37

@Mokubai It does look suspicious. The OP Jas self answered and deleted his answer. then another user Tomer Ben David posted an identical (to the deleted) answer 1 minute later and it was accepted and later got a bounty.

Psycogeek

failing to solve the problem of getting enough Jam into my PB&J without it falling out around my computer, this looks like the real solution

Ramhound

that is what happens when you chew on Mom's shoes

Journeyman Geek

10:03

You get dressed like a post apocalyptic luchador?

@Mokubai: totally missed that

Bob

10:17

> Current expected wait time for first response is 5+ business days.

O_O

Ramhound

It is a Devil custume

Because only a devil Schnauzer would steal mom's shoes

Bob

twitch + flash on shoddy atom tablet = laggy

twitch + native player (unofficial app) = perfectly fine

Psycogeek

10:39

meta.superuser.com/questions/10910/… uhh shouldn't a mod just migrate these 3? I do not understand them being "closed" as off-topic?

i believe the wishes of the user were to instead migrate, wouldnt that be a Flag , not a close?

Ramhound

same difference

closure results in the migration

Journeyman Geek

Its a migration target

Psycogeek

well that is weird, i seem to remember before there being a migration request kind of thing in these buttons somewhere :-) I am soo lost

Journeyman Geek

though, there's a chance it would get kicked back over to us

So...

there's 5 standard migration targets

Anything in those with... I think 3 or more migrate votes gets moved

else you flag

That said

Psycogeek

so not best candidate for migrate to there, especially when they can be real assholes , , err i mean pickey :-)

Journeyman Geek

10:47

Beta sites...

we can, but typically we don't

Psycogeek

@Ramhound ahh i see, sub-buttons behind off-topic close , thats where it is.

@JourneymanGeek got it, because a odd site would not be in the close off-topic buttons.

DavidPostill

11:14

A strange thing happening here. I know cmd reasonably well but I can't explain this one...

-1

Q: What does "move ^<" do in Windows?

I accidentally entered this command in a big working directory and got this result: d:\prog>move ^< 10 file(s) moved. Can someone explain what have I just done? I have no idea :/ Note: This only seems to happen if there are files in the directory with just an extension (and no name), ...

windows cmd.exe command-line-arguments

Normally < is the redirect command for stdin. ^ is the escape character so ^< means a literal < character. So move ^< should mean move a file called < to the current directory. However < is not a valid filename ...

Psycogeek

I want to try it, but then again i was thinking What the hell for :-)

"I get these really weird results when i do something really stupid" ok, quit doing really stupid things, problem solved.

DavidPostill

@Psycogeek It looks like a strange bug in cmd.exe with the processing of command line arguments. If so that is good to know. And it's not stupid to do something accidentally ;)

Psycogeek

it is not intriguing, i am past things like that , tempted , but heck there is not enough time in the world to play with all the quirks.

Yea just hold on Dawg, there is a weird command , and i must find out why.

and an hour later of playing with it you find 1700 files in the root of C: :-)

Bob

14:30

> We'll schedule a restart during a time you usually don't use your device (right now 2:15 AM today looks good).

... it's currently 1:40 AM.

And I literally only use this tablet in the middle of the night.

Journeyman Geek

lol

I believe that's microsoft's way of saying "Maaaaybe you should sleep at some point"

Bob

-_-

Journeyman Geek

;p

Recycle Bin

15:15

recycled

2

not removed

into new data

HackToHell

16:17

@Dave Haloo

The urge to root the phone is real

Must resist

Mokubai

17:19

I've never really gotten the urge to root my phone... Okay you can do a few more things with the phone, but I've never found it to be that limiting.

bwDraco

17:34

No smartphone just yet, but my tablets are rooted.

Mokubai

What does it give you that you were missing?

bwDraco

CyanogenMod. Not that it makes a huge difference, but it lets me tinker with the device internals and take system image ("NANDroid") backups.

Mokubai

I'm no being facetious, just curious what I might be missing out on

bwDraco

@Mokubai I'd say clock speed control is the most important factor for me.

The Nexus 9 runs hot and capping the processor clock speed helps preserve battery life and reduce heat output.

There's a monumental difference in heat output and battery life between 2.3 GHz and 1.5 GHz.

Mokubai

Backups are a marginal benefit for me, if I care about my data then it is copied somewhere. I suppose app data that is hard to get to could be neat to back up

None of my devices run that hot for long periods for me to worry about clock speed. Though I thought the principle of "race to idle" should mean that at a higher clock it can cycle down sooner... Is the default scheduler that crap that it holds it at the higher clock?

bwDraco

17:45

Wikipedia celebrates five million articles

@Mokubai It kinda depends on the workload, but capping CPU clocks does extend battery life if you don't mind the slowdown.

CyanogenMod for Nexus 9 ships with the TouchDemand governor by default; I have not changed it.

The fact of the matter is that power consumption increases quadratically with clock speed.

This is why Apple processor designs are low-clocked but very wide (Cyclone is 6-wide)

The NVIDIA Denver core used in the 64-bit Tegra K1 on the Nexus 9 is 7-wide with VLIW design motifs from Transmeta (code morphing, dynamic code optimization). That's why they can get away with two cores rather than four, but it also tends to run hot, especially at 2.3 GHz.

The single-thread performance on the Nexus 9 is outstanding for many workloads, but once again, it runs very hot.

Project Denver

Project Denver is the codename of a microarchitecture designed by Nvidia that implements the ARMv8-A 64/32-bit instruction sets using a combination of simple hardware decoder and software-based binary translation (dynamic recompilation) where "Denver's binary translation layer runs in software, at a lower level than the operating system, and stores commonly accessed, already optimized code sequences in a 128MB cache stored in main memory". Denver is a very wide in-order superscalar pipeline. Its design makes it suitable for integration with other SIPs cores (e.g. GPU, display controller, DSP, image...

A bit of an oddball CPU, but it delivers the performance it's supposed to in most workloads.

Mokubai

18:37

@bwDraco I liked the theory of Denver, but it was wasted by not being able to run x86-64 code

Mokubai

19:43

Yet another wasted opportunity to do something great

bwDraco

20:01

@Mokubai Licensing issue. NVIDIA was unable to license x86-64 patents from Intel and AMD.

djsmiley2k

20:25

Sigh

chrome and firefox are both crashing when trtying to access print dialogs

server is telling m pretty much everything in this raid is screwed, I think I'm going to be lucky if I save anything from it

bwDraco

21:15

Testing Joomla! 3.5 nightly on blog.fierydragonlord.com...

RACING121

22:23

Quick question are Intel and AMD currently the only CPU makers

bwDraco

@RACING121 For x86, pretty much.

There are lots of different architectures. For example, ARM processors are made by Qualcomm, Apple, Samsung, and a whole slew of other manufacturers.

Nate Kerkhofs

23:03

Ef this, I'm nuking this 4 year old laptop and installing Windows 10 fresh

It was originally a Vista machine, then upgrades to 7, then recently to 10

At least Windows 10 has that option

But that'ill have to wait for tomorrow

so much preinstalled bloatware

and for some reason, Norton won't start any new scans on it

windows update has literally been running for an hour now and it hasn't even started installing the updates. Still stuck on 62% of preparing

And for some reason it won't move when I got the page open

Journeyman Geek

@RACING121 via had a licence till last year. Then there's this company that does 386 derivatives. Then there's a half dozen arm licences, mips, IBM with POWER....

Bob

@bwDraco Should be noted that Qualcomm and Nvidia are the only ones that really do custom high-powered cores. At least in the typical phone/tablet market.

Noob17

What are the best things to do with a rooted phone?

Bob

Most other manufacturers just build a CPU around cores designed by ARM.

Those two instead license the architecture and design their own cores.

(Qualcomm recently has been using 'standard' ARM cores due to delays getting their own ARM64 cores out.)

@Noob17 Obtaining root access is a means to an end.

You root only if there's something you want to do that requires root.

There's no point rooting if you don't need to do anything that requires it.

Journeyman Geek

23:20

Actually... I wonder whatever did happen with via/centaur.

Noob17

I see, what is the biggest activity people root it for?

Bob

@Noob17 All sorts of fiddling.

Personally, I use it for app backups.

Some people need to install GApps when the phone doesn't come with them.

Some people want to disable camera shutter sounds (which are hardcoded in some regions by law).

Some people want to install third-party audio enhancements.

Some people want more control over privacy options.

Others want more control over running apps for power saving.

There's basically an infinite list of what you can do.

But "what can I do with root" is generally a fairly pointless question.

It's like "what can I do with a phone".

@JourneymanGeek Interesting: extremetech.com/computing/…

But without a TDP, performance comparisons are useless.

Oh, it surpasses a 5 W TDP Atom! And almost matches up with a 25 W TDP Jaguar!

... does anyone see the massive gap there?

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek

Please nuke

-3

A: Why does pulling the power cord then pressing the power button fix a non-booting PC?

HOLD EVERYTHING ! Science may provide us with an answer, and might compel one to propose an hypothesis of the nature of MATR and it'boolean RAM cryptology, so much so in fact, that presentation of some lofty idealogically BIAS based 3RD tier PRIZM system fault, anS ANAL power SOURCE may t.iv OUT...

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: It could surpass a core i7, and have a TDP of 1w but buuuut its no use if NO ONE CAN BUY IT ;p

anyone got a tumblr account? That belongs of gfse ;p

Bob

23:35

@JourneymanGeek I suspect that that miiiiiight involve violating some law of thermodynamics :P

o.O

I just realised the Clover Trail procs with Saltwell microarch don't even support out-of-order execution.

That would explain why that tablet feels so slow at times... (cc @qasdfdsaq)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: It could be a chip so awesome it transcends the boundries of puny physics

Bob

Huh, Clover Trail is also DDR2.

DDR2 in 2012 o.O

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Noob17

Ah I see I get a better idea now, it was not pointless. People obviously know what they can do with a phone but it's definitely not as obvious as what you can do with a rooted phone.

Bob

@Noob17 Basically, think about what you want to do. Then, if it's technically possible but the phone OS doesn't allow you to do so, that is where root helps.

One of the bigger uses is probably "debloating", removing apps that are (permanently) installed by the manufacturer or carrier.

@JourneymanGeek The Atom lineup is just the most confused mix of tech :S

Journeyman Geek

23:42

@Bob: celeron!

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek wotz dis pysiks u speak ov?

Bob

For some reason they went with PowerVR for the Merrifield (post-Bay Trail) chips.

Bay Trail had Ivy Bridge graphics.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob And still fails to beat a 5-watt Core M

Journeyman Geek

They also went with powervr for some older ivy bridge processors

qasdfdsaq

I don't see the "serious challenge" here

Journeyman Geek

23:43

@qasdfdsaq: Anything is faster than a chip you can't buy

Centaur tech had a web page refresh last year. Yet their last update was 2008

My core 2 duo was newish in 2008

qasdfdsaq

My ex-flatmate's cat was still alive in 2008

Bob

@qasdfdsaq If their claim of matching Jaguar perf is accurate and they manage a TDP close to Atom, then, yes, it would beat Core M.

@qasdfdsaq Also, Core M gets good performance on paper but throttle heavily in practice.

Michael Frank

@DavidPostill heh.. our off shore Service Desk call this "draining the flea power".

Bob

They have good burst performance.

Michael Frank

And they use it FOR EVERYTHING.

Bob

23:46

But they simply cannot sustain high speeds at such a low TDP for extended periods.

Michael Frank

Application doesn't run? Drain the flea power. Can't connect to the VPN? Drain the flea power.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob The leaked performance figures don't beat a Core M in the same benchmarks

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank Its quick, doesn't hurt, and if you mutter under your breath, seems indistinguishable from witchcraft.

@Bob: typically though, most users arn't going to redline their processors constantly

(hell I don't)

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Actually, they can. Sorta. It's mostly about how effective the OEM makes the cooling system.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq That's not how TDP works.

Journeyman Geek

23:47

@qasdfdsaq: so.. whatever option's cheapest?

Bob

TDP specifies how much heat the cooling system must dissipate.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob That's how the core M works, in practice

The 2.0 turbo Core M's can maintain 2.0Ghz 24/7 as long as the device isn't in doesn't have crappy cooling

Bob

If a 4.5 W TDP is specified, then that's how much power should be dissipated.

At burst apparently it peaks over 12 W.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob That's not how it works in the real world

Bob

That is simply not sustainable.

qasdfdsaq

23:49

@Bob Yes it is: Read this anandtech.com/show/9117/analyzing-intel-core-m-performance

Bob

@qasdfdsaq That is quite literally the definition of TDP.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob And is quite literally, not how it works in the real world

Plenty of laptops fail to dissipate the specified TDP

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I'm not saying necessarily real-world devices meet spec. I'm saying that even if they met spec a Core M chip simply cannot sustain burst speeds.

That's why they are burst speeds.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Again, read the above article.

UX305 maintains full turbo speed 24/7

Yoga 3 and Venue 11 will sustain 1.8Ghz turbo continuously as well

The UX305 will even maintain 1.5Ghz turbo while the graphics core is at 700Mhz turbo, for over 50 minutes at full load

In fact, every single device maintains turbo for most of 50 minutes while playing DOTA 2, not one of them ever throttling below base clock.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Just as there are under-spec devices, there are also over-spec devices.

You can pick and choose all the over-spec devices you want.

qasdfdsaq

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They deliberately picked a wide selection including one device notorious for "throttling" - and found that it didn't throttle at all.

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Bob

Just as I can overclock (or pick pre-overclocked in the case of GPUs) and achieve better perf.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Read the article.

You are directly contradicting the facts measured in detail by AnandTech and looking mighty silly doing it.

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