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14:00
>_>
The ipv4/ipv6 domain name question is a HNQ
@Dave How does it compare to ES+Kibana+Logstash ?
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@JourneymanGeek Should amend your answer.
You can have many A and/or AAAA records.
@Bob: how/why?
@HackToHell: Not sure, never used ES+Kibana+Logstash man.
14:02
Redundant servers
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@JourneymanGeek Your answer as it is kinda implies you can only have a single one (or a single one of each).
True
Updated
@JourneymanGeek Link plz
I'd note
My original answer was "yes"
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Q: Can a domain name have both IP addresses (IPv6 and IPv4)?

NiksCan a domain name (example.com) have both the IP addresses, IPv6 and IPv4? Which IP address does a domain name have? IPv6 or IPv4? But I am not sure that it has both or any one at a time.

Going to try this out with our new cluster github.com/spoqa/geofront
14:03
I should have used non breaking spaces to spoof the character limit for lols ;p
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@JourneymanGeek non breaking*
Don't you know how much I HATE it when computers try to tell me what to do?
@JourneymanGeek Ah, thanks. Saw that one yesterday.
Guess what Bitlocker? I killed you. SORRY YOUR GRACE PERIOD HAS EXPIRED. ** taskkill /f **
@qasdfdsaq: I've been here for 6 years O think. I still don't quite know when a question is going to get downvoted to heck or one of those
Can't mods remove downvotes?
@qasdfdsaq they can be destroyed for doing that, it is not illegal, and there is usually no love loss :-)
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14:06
@qasdfdsaq That's not the computer telling you to do anything.
That's your admin telling you.
@Bob I am the admin -_-
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@qasdfdsaq Then set your shit up properly.
@HackToHell, thats pretty cool. If you get into playing around with chef with deployments, key management is built into it
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> IT admins can now not only force devices into a compliant state but also enforce automatic encryption and strong password or PIN use (to prevent users from employing PIN such as 12354). The system does offer a grace period for encryption postponement.
Disable encryption enforcement.
im above admin
14:07
@qasdfdsaq: no
@Bob I turned off key protectors. Fuckin group policy
@JourneymanGeek Yes.
im totally going to play around with geofront though @HackToHell
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@qasdfdsaq This sounds like something you need to turn on in the first place.
however if certain entirely opaque criteria are met, or we notice something fishy, we can ask a CM to take a look
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Also, this is apparently part of MDOP/MRAM.
14:08
@Bob I'm using a standardized domain build with corporate group policy applied.
If you mean your own downvotes, ninja-edit the post or something then upvote it
@Dave I am actually supposed to use Ansible playbooks to provision things
But they take too long to write
@Bob Course I turn off encryption enforcement in one place some other place pops up.
and I have to finish this today
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@qasdfdsaq Odd.
14:09
But hey, you don't even have to use an elevated task manager to just shoot the process entirely.
Lol
I think I'll just set up a Windows 10 VM anyway. Dual-booting is pissing off both bitlocker and my internet radio.
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> MBAM 2.5 enables you to enforce encryption policies on operating system and fixed data drives for computers in your organization and limit the number of days that end users can request a postponement of the requirement to comply with MBAM encryption policies.

To enable you to configure encryption policy enforcement, a new Group Policy setting, called Encryption Policy Enforcement Settings, has been added for operating system drives and fixed data drives. This policy is described in the following table.
I think it might be my Win 10 install isn't set up properly for the TPM
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> If you disable or do not configure this setting, users are not forced to comply with MBAM policies.
Ah wait, MBAM doesn't support TPM for non-OS volumes
Which I assume include "other OS" volumes
@Bob Oh I know the setting is enabled for laptop builds in domain policy
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14:12
@qasdfdsaq Then... disable it?
But I haven't turned off TPM secure boot so it shouldn't be requiring a password
Except it doesn't seem to support TPM in dual-boot configurations
As I've just learned :-/
@Bob It's supposed to be on. I'm not going to mess with company-wide security policies just for my own convenience.
Plus the procedures to go through to actually do it are far harder than just closing the damn popup.
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@qasdfdsaq Oh, an actual production domain.
@Bob Yes.
Anybody read many rfcs in here? Having an issue trying to understand something here. Our secondary slave is showing that the primary for a zone is the secondary DNS within the SOA record.. from my understanding by specification shouldnt it be showing the primary for the zone????
My main machine is in an exception group but this particular machine is supposed to be representative of normal staff builds so I can be familiar enough to support them.
But we're also in the process of trialling Windows 10 upgrades.
14:16
Otherwise how would it know which server to validate changes against? Itself??
And it seems MBAM can only use passwords for "data volumes" and cannot use passwords for "system volumes".
Which makes it a clusterf*** when you have both on the same drive.
Interestingly this is going to wreck our Linux dual-boots. Yay for change control completely ignoring the fact Linux exists in this institution. Again.
I would think that the slave would be incorrectly configured this way, otherwise how would comparing serials work via replication if it compares itself? Hopefully this isnt a retarded question.
@Dave Not a retarded question but possibly better suited for the ServerFault guys?
(I say that because I am one of "the ServerFault guys" and I haven't a clue.)
Possibly, I figured id ask anyways since we may have super users in here that probably manage isc bind name servers.
ducks
Oh FFS who starred me again
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14:20
quacktastic
Stars I can remove...
but this is too amusing ;p
I swear it wasnt me (hiding)
Love those rage meme's
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@JourneymanGeek I pretty much assume that he's asking for it when he comments on it.
...because we actually do that sometimes :P
Grr. I can't install a Windows 10 VM cause our dev/test NAS is broken, and the secondary crashed a few months ago and the admin hasn't bothered restarting it.
Do I have to do everything myself around here... -_-
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!!tell 25054631 yes
14:25
!! s/25054631/I love goatse/
@qasdfdsaq !!tell I love goatse yes (source)
@qasdfdsaq this is plausible.
!!tell 25054641 That's not what I intended
@Bob It's just a fucking test, now go away
o_0
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14:28
@qasdfdsaq Command that's does not exist. (note that /tell works on commands, it's not an echo.)
Aaand geo front doesn't have proper docs
!!/help
@qasdfdsaq Information on interacting with me can be found at this page
Screw it I'll add manually
@qasdfdsaq Perhaps next time it ages away you should keep quiet and hope nobody notices. You keep reminding everybody! ;)
14:29
@DavidPostill I don't know how ageing works :(
They scroll off the bottom of the list.
Or something like that.
Yeah but by what criteria? Age? Votes? Age / votes?
Unless you click "show all" ...
!!tell Bob listen give me a lick
@Bob Mmmm! you taste just like raisin
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14:32
(That's a literal copy-paste from the help file, I'm not picking on you Bob)
@Bob Oh, you're resorting to victim-blaming now huh? He was asking for it with that short skirt. He shouldn't have been out late at night on his own dressed like that!
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@qasdfdsaq Inasmuch as you can be a "victim" of stars :P
@qasdfdsaq: new stars on top, old ones below
Mods can remove em, or pin em
@Bob Riiight, because you're not a "victim" of rape, "If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
@JourneymanGeek So do they just get linearly displaced as new ones appear, regardless of votes?
No idea
ahh
latest votes are on top
Chat's a bit mysterious, even for long time users ;p
Hmm. I just starred an old post of yours from yesterday and it's not shown up :(
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14:37
@qasdfdsaq They'll stay up for longer if heavily starred, IIRC. It probably uses an algo similar to how they calculate hot questions.
@Bob Some mysterious secret sauce formula then
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@qasdfdsaq Thanks Todd.
Gone are the good old days where we used to fill the star wall with jmg's ahh
@qasdfdsaq: many things are black boxes ;p
@HackToHell: Apparently not any more.
yay :D
14:39
@qasdfdsaq: Useful thing to note. Half the memes on Root access are about me.
Not intentionally
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Q: What formula should be used to determine "hot" questions?

Jeff AtwoodRight now the front page Popular tab is fairly broken -- it's a simple descending sort by views. As Joel said in podcast #18, it is "a self-fulfilling prophecy." But this is not intentional, it's only because we haven't had time to improve it yet! As I sit down to write a better algorithm, I tho...

Oh hey DavidPostill is on Webmasters
@JourneymanGeek There's memes?
@qasdfdsaq: Yup
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Q: How does the repositioning of starred messages work?

EmrakulI just starred an already-starred message over at RPG General Chat, and the message moved up by four spaces. Normally, I only see two or three spaces, but it was underneath a pile of highly-starred messages. This has confused me for some time; a good portion of me expects some linear algorithm, ...

> So there's indeed a time decay factor (e.g. a 20-minute old message with 5 stars is roughly "worth" the same as a 10-minute old message with 2 stars).
> The starred messages in the sidebar are re-arranged only when something actually happens (usually, when a message is starred), so the list may not always show the current "ranking". Changing the order in intervals would just create visual noise without really giving new information.
(journeymangeek is a dog. ahh. lol ....)
14:44
@qasdfdsaq I answered a question. It got migrated. Then it got closed as a dupe :/
tho I gues the "chmod incident" is a meme now
@DavidPostill That doesn't explain the other 421 rep you have over there :-)
Journeyman Geek is a dog? Huh?
His avatar is a dog...
Yep he's the only dog here
Bob is a fox
I'm a cat \m/
Woop!
jokerdino is a dino
dragonlord is a dragon
recycle bin is a recycle bin
Both my answers got migrated. The first one did quite well 30 upvotes ;)
14:48
marcusdoesstuff appears to be a cartoon dog though
And you support gay marriage
Lies.
@Dave o_0
lol
i'm going to hell for that one
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@qasdfdsaq How could you forget @allquixotic? :(
Bah, he's a cat anyway.
14:49
@Bob Because his name isn't the clickable list at the top right :(
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(I kinda want to dig up that old MK image)
Is the Windows 10 upgrade progress interruptible during download phase?
sneaky non@ name... think you can talk about me @qasdfdsaq huh?
@HackToHell Do not.
@jokerdino: yeah
14:51
I support rainbow foxes
It may fail later tho
@JourneymanGeek Tell me it does not restart the downloading.
@jokerdino Something might go wrong
Fail what? o-O
@jokerdino: Don't think so
@jokerdino: I've had 0 proper updates work correctly
I just use the media creation tool
and erm
14:52
Eh...
Yeah Windows 10 updater b0rked myPC so I went back to 8 and stayed there
So, all this downloading is going to waste?
I've done ... 7 install so far?
no 8
yeah? ;p
You guys are not a source of confidence.
no. 9. 2 vms.
14:53
Pfft. Microsoft's update has downloaded 3 different 2.5GB updates to my PC without me asking.
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Feb 26 '13 at 15:21, by allquixotic
user image
@jokerdino We're a "try it and see" crowd. What could possibly go wrong?
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Clockwise from top left: allq, JMG, me and HTH.
@Bob Who won?
@qasdfdsaq It can't be worse than what happens in the linux side..
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14:54
The moustache was an earlier chat-meme :P
At least I would like to have a working PC.
@jokerdino I haven't ever had anything go wrong when I Ctrl+C'd in the middle of a yum update or apt-get update in the download phase
@Bob Good old memories :D
My apt-get likes to Ctrl+C itself a lot in the middle of the build kernel image phase, and even that doesn't break anything
19% downloaded in 4 hours. Gotta love the speed.
14:55
We had Metro Style smileys for a while
@jokerdino Just torrent the official ISO
@qasdfdsaq Actually, I can mostly fix a lot of issues in Linux. All hail god mary chrooting.
If your connection isn't stable
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@HackToHell Oh yea. allq started that with his Win8 frown, then someone suggested more and I ended up making some :P
@HackToHell and burn a DVD?
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There's still a meta.SU question on that somewhere.
14:56
@jokerdino Nah simply mount from windows and run the install from there
It works
I think I will sneak into my buddy's house and upgrade there. He has a decent internetz.
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@qasdfdsaq do-release-upgrade likes to break things.
Yeah, I downloaded Win 10 in my college
and Christmas hats.
14:56
@Bob yeah that was fun
@HackToHell That is worth trying.
@jokerdino: media creation tool FTW
@Bob do-release-upgrade breaks almost everything
also, the Christmas hats, tho that's a comms room thing first
do-release-upgrade is a sin
14:57
and er
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Also, my attempt at upgrading OpenSUSE (11.1 to 11.2, IIRC)... that didn't go well.
It should NEVER BE RUN
the april fools day questions.
I really need to be more explicit at checking what computer I'm on before issuing the "poweroff" command
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do-release-upgrade is the reason I now use Debian on my servers.
14:57
lol
@JourneymanGeek I made a fishy one !
I do that lots at home
I thought my new $PROMPT would help except it isn't on every old machine
@HackToHell: my picture XD
lol
@JourneymanGeek Hm, that looks like a good option.
14:58
yeah the one with the tank and all
I am going to try how long this download lasts. And then come back harping.
@HackToHell At least it exists. There's no official upgrade path on Redhat/CentOS at all
Perhaps because RHEL doesn't like to provide updaters that break your OS most of the time.
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do-release-upgrade KILLS KITTENS. WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE KITTENS?!
Not something that's particularly popular in the enterprise world.
My ubuntu install in my desktop is borked for the last two years from a failed do-release-upgrade
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14:59
@qasdfdsaq I've had rather terrible experience with every OS upgrade so far, apart from the Win10 test on the tablet.
Oh who the heck starred "recycle bin is a recycle bin". The things you guys find amusing... -_-
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@qasdfdsaq That's actually a better idea I guess
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Win8 => 8.1 completely failed cause of the wifi drivers. Ralink can fuck right off.
@Bob excellent.
@Bob Ironically, my Windows 7 => 8.1 update went flawlessly despite me having to hack the installer to make it work.
15:00
lol
I dont ever remember upgrading to 8.1 though. Does Microsoft do it secretly?
Course 8.1 => 10 just broke everything
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@qasdfdsaq I never upgraded from Win7
8 -> 8.1 was a regular update
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I have a couple Win8/8.1 tablets and laptops.
15:00
8.1 was basicall ya service pack
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@JourneymanGeek Nup. It was a full OS upgrade.
Hell Windows 10 basically installs as a Windows update now.
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@qasdfdsaq Feature-wise, maybe. But the installation process is the same as an actual upgrade.
not as remember it.
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@JourneymanGeek Tell me the last time a service pack weighed some 4 GB and was downloaded separately from the standard updater?
15:02
lol
software bloat? ;p
4GB?
Jeez, Windows 10 is only 2.5GB
IIRC windows XP SPs had a standalone installer
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@qasdfdsaq 8 to 8.1 was around 3.5 GB
That's literally a full OS.
Yeah, I never used 8.0. Skipped straight to 8.1
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The entire process was treated as a full OS.
Normally a service pack is a bunch of patches. Like 8.1 Update.
15:03
Actually I never even used Windows 8.anything till a few months ago (barring the dev preview in '12)
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But the 8 => 8.1 move was literally a full OS upgrade
Seriously? Ubuntu doesn't have an ipmiutil package until 16.04?!
Dafuq
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o.O
pretty sure I used them back in 12.04
Unless they removed it...
It's been in CentOS since at least Centos 5 ffs.
I mean it's not hard to install, but geez. No wonder people say Ubuntu isn't a mature enterprise distribution.
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oh I was thinking of ipmitool (packages.ubuntu.com/precise/ipmitool)
15:09
Yeah that's there
Why was that just a picture of a fox biting another foxes tail?
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@qasdfdsaq uh... clipboard got a bit mixed up
was in the middle of picking a new avatar :P
LOL
Gah what the fuck was the IPMI password for this thing
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there, new avatar set :)
@qasdfdsaq Which thing? (and does it use a factory default)
E.g. calvin
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@Hennes oh was that the Dell one?
15:14
hi guys
Does anyone have a funny T-rex gravatar then?
YUp. That is the default DRAC password for root
Also the password used in a place where I worked for every DRAC, including those on the Active Directory servers....
jokerdino: Just mix "Mr T" with a T-rex and there you go. Funny T-rex gravatar
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@Hennes Eh, don't worry. What could possibly go wrong with anyone being able to gain hardware-equivalent access? :P
@Hennes Crappy BMC on a Dell 1950
15:18
o0
1950s are pretty old
1950? That is old, but I think they still had proper DRACs.
Modern ones got split before 'light/express and Enterprise RAC cards
Hmm, might be newer than a 1950. It's definitely one with an express card though
Hmm, no, let me clarify,.
(The one next to it has an iDrac Enteprise 6 I think)
Old:
Either onboard BMC (no experience with it)
or a DRAC (which I liked).

Moderns:
Onboard BMC
or DRAC light
or DRAC enterprise
My trio of R300 still have a normal DRAC with dedicated NIC and they work fine
15:21
I'll find out soon enough when I get access to it... but it's IPMI only if that says anything
(No web interface like the "proper" iDRACs)
I'm starting to think it'd be easier just to go to the server room and press the power button.
But I REFUSE to give up. Also it's raining.
Time to find a clueless users and let me phone you because 'his pc does not do nothing never nope'. After that the rain will be a pleasant refreshment while getting the hell out of helpdesk Dodge.
Lol
Thankfully the only time I ever have to go near the helpdesk here is to use their shinier toilets.
Oh DUH. I used the standard department admin password on it. The less secure one, because it's unencrypted IPMI
15:28
/me sneaks off to write that down before I forget.
More like XP-4-3v4r!
(It's not, but it was clearly set by someone before me who had a fetish for XP)
I just use a 16-character string of gibberish from the random character generator
Because I have no problems remembering a password like ^S@IJ-O=,{*NAbWi
Gah no wonder it takes me so long to get anything done at work. I spend more time moaning about it in SU chat than actually doing it.
o
;p
lol
@qasdfdsaq: I use hotbits from fourmilab for my write only passwords
(Stuff I only need once)
15:33
Yeah I should really start using some sort of password manager but I'm just an old-skool luddite
ugh, I hate ISP's IT people
@qasdfdsaq I need to do that but lazy ._.
@rlemon I hate myself
ireset: power cycling ...
chassis_reset: error 0 ccode = d5 Cannot execute command. Request parameters not supported
netapp_reset ok
ireset: IPMI_Reset ok
ipmiutil power, completed successfully
Well that's a bit misleading. "Cannot execute command" "Completed successfully".
Well I suppose not executing the command completed... successfully?
15:50
how are you guys :D
guys guys guys
if Twitch Plays wasn't good enough, now we have twitch Installs Arch linux https://www.twitchinstalls.com/
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@HackToHell that's pretty sweet. I remember twitch plays. So they're going to twitch installs now with the community typing the commands to use in chat? lol
@allquixotic o/
@Dave All I can think of is dd
lol
yea dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda***
hehe
@Dave lol, that's almost as bad as rm -rf / which causes your screen to go black in The Comms Room
15:58
@allquixotic: First person to reverse telnet / sshd a shell wins a prize..
No, I can do one better
I'm SOOO gonna make it download a bash script of Nyancat
First person to break out of the VM he probably runs it on and hacks his Windows box wins a prize
Either that or `while true; do wget goatse.cx; done"
16:00
true !
Most VM hypervisors do have known break-out vulnerabilities.
I'm thinking interesting commands like: dd if=/dev/sda | ssh user@server 'dd of=sda.img'
Someone needs to have an Underhanded Bash contest to rival the Underhanded C contest -- underhanded bash would be a command sequence that looks perfectly normal, but ends up doing something nefarious like executing arbitrary code
Can't we just do something like obfuscated HTML
Or obfuscated javascript
It's an ArchLinux installation process. How and why would he take HTML or JS and execute it, and what purpose would it serve?
16:05
No I was just making comparisons
Like obfuscated html/javascript
(There's a codegolf StackExchange? WTF is coldegolf?!)
@qasdfdsaq I mean, if you're talking about doing that in Bash, the question becomes whether he would attempt to audit your command before running it -- if he does some kind of manual reading of the code before pasting it in blindly, he would be able to filter out most obviously nefarious things.
:; ______=$? __=${#______} ____=$[__+__] ________=$[__+____] _____=$[____+____]
     __________=$[____+_____] _________=$[__+__________] ______________=(
            /????/$$/????) ____________=${______________[$______]}
   _____________=${____________##*/} _______________=(${____________//\// })
          ________________=${_______________: -$__:$__}$_____________
           ___________________=${________________:$______:$________}
   ___________=${_____________:$______:$__} _________________=${___________^}
Is apparently bash for "echo Hello world"
I need to find a machine I don't have sudo on to try it...
Oh hey it works!
@qasdfdsaq amazing
OMG @Bob you will crack up at this :D
> When an array - including the empty array - is cast to string, the result is always the amazingly helpful string "Array". I'm not sure who thought that was a good idea. PHP supports the increment operator (but not decrement) for strings, for example "++A" → "B". The original string contains both "A" and "a", so all latin characters can be produced, brainfuck style. Space is produced with "A" ^ "a", and exclamation with "D" ^ "e".
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16:29
@allquixotic o.o
LOL:
I still have no idea why that prints anything. — primo Mar 1 '14 at 19:21
16:47
hey folks -- I have two directories, new_files and old_files. I want old_files to become an exact copy of new_files, with no file differences between them. What would be the best command for this? Would also like to preserve dates permissions etc. as defined in new_files.
I'm on OSX and using zsh 5.0.5 for my shell if that matters
rm old_files && cp newfiles oldfiles ?
hmm, no, that would make you owner of all files.
Tar and untar then with preserve permissions set ?
or cpio ?
I'm a unix newb so a bit more elaboration would be much appreciated :)
What is the goal? A backup ?
Or a precise copy for history?
precise copy for history purposes (being version controlled in git)
also must be a recursive copy
all files, hidden files, directories and subdirectories
googling around I see people recommending rsync, but I'm not sure what flags I'd want
rsync makes a copy from A to B.
It can be set to preserve ownership.
It can be smart (e.g. only copy changed or new files)
If your backup copy is on a different computers then it is probably what you want to use
Anyway. AFK for a bit. Cooking
17:03
Huh, I'm surprised there's no filter to prevent me putting "Fucking typos" in the reason for edit field
@Hennes cp -ar
Assuming OS X hasn't done anything stupid to the cp command, which as far as I remember, it hasn't.
But tar czf could work better if it does't need to be a manipulateable directory structure (i.e. read-only)
17:44
@HackToHell That sounds wrong on so many levels
Hmm
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Q: How does a person communicate with another through IPHONE and COMPUTER and TV

DEEWhat can my husband be using in front of our smart tv when he appears to be communicating with someone and looking in the next room. I see no bluetooth or anything in his hands. His Iphone is in the other room. I have searched him and I found nothing. Help I think he is driving me crazy

@Mokubai I'm bloody curious though
Did you guys see the stream yet? twitch.tv/twitchinstallsarchlinux apparently the fake ./configure script shows an irc client is installed.. Nice

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