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Journeyman Geek

00:06

heh

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A: Software to back up application settings in Windows (including XP)

this new tool, called CloneApp can do all this http://www.mirinsoft.com/index.php/blog/243-new-project-cloneapp-on-the-run Rather than backing up the system or even the software, it backs up registry keys and configuration files with a pretty convenient gui. Its a portable app, and you can ba...

Was almost tempted to delete and post my own answer, but expanded a newbie's answer instead.

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Recycle Bin

did somebody say XP

Michael Frank

@RecycleBin Only in the context of upgrading to Windows 7.

@JourneymanGeek Worth an upvote to get it out of that pit now!

Journeyman Geek

:)

@RecycleBin: Yes, someone did say XP.

2

actually

lemme see if I can grab an XP VM to test

DavidPostill

00:22

@JourneymanGeek I downloaded it earlier. I will be playing with it tomorrow (later today actually - it's 00:22 here) ;)

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill: cloneapp or XP?

Dave

and were back

kde plasma 5.4.90 qt 5.5.1 on my flash usb bootable os

woop woop

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek cloneapp of course. I've no desire to ever go back to XP (although it was better than Vista). I went Dos > Windows 1.0 > Windows 3.1 > Windiws NT > Windows 2K > Windows XP > Windows 7 and that's where I'm staying as long as possible ;)

Journeyman Geek

lol

I don't have any working 7 or 8 boxen left.

DavidPostill

I hate that tiles/metro crap ;)

And Aero

I'm using Windows Classic theme together with Classic Start Menu.

Journeyman Geek

00:32

oh dear god. ie6

How did people use a browser without tabs?

Recycle Bin

I use it

but not on purpose

DavidPostill

Firefox for me. With Classic Theme Restorer ;)

Journeyman Geek

@RecycleBin: I use IE/Edge for one thing

ninite ;p

Recycle Bin

I use firefox

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill I use firefox and oneliner

I will be a VERY sad puppy when oneliner no longer works

DavidPostill

00:38

@JourneymanGeek oneliner?

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill: Basically compresses the addressbar and tabs into one line.

DavidPostill

Ah.

Journeyman Geek

Old screenshot

(I get asked this a lot

DavidPostill

I will stick with twoliner

Journeyman Geek

Its more useful for small/lower res screens

Michael Frank

00:41

@JourneymanGeek You used to be able to do all of that with Firefox by default.

Journeyman Geek

'used to'

Michael Frank

Many versions ago

Journeyman Geek

and this is a mozilla build plugin

DavidPostill

Journeyman Geek

addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/prospector-oneLiner

No updates in 4 years (maybe cause it works perfectly ;p)

DavidPostill

00:45

@JourneymanGeek You broke my firefox ;)

Journeyman Geek

>_>

DavidPostill

Now I can't see my prefbar buttons :(

Journeyman Geek

:(

Ok. No updates in 4 years (maybe cause they lost interest :( )

Recycle Bin

I ate it

burps

Dave

Someone needs to develop a browser exclusively for the Oculus Rift

We need change

DavidPostill

00:48

And I can't see it my addons to remove it :(

Oliver Salzburg

My OnePlus One just dies

Like completely

Recycle Bin

I work in mysterious ways, I ATE THOSE TOO! huahahah

Dave

CISP passed today

Oliver Salzburg

I was actively using it, went black. Now it won't boot anymore

Dave

The us govt is going to hell

Recycle Bin

00:50

the UK govement is giving more to the wealthy and charging more tax for working class people

its basically tax for doing the right thing

Dave

Oliver only beneft of having secureboot is the rollback protection bit

Recycle Bin

so were being punished for nothing

Dave

@soliver ^^^

Oliver Salzburg

wtf

now i connected it to power

and it shows some weird chinese messages i've never seen

it says "low battery" within it

it was connected to power the whole time before it went blank

Dave

take a picture with your phnne an upload it... oh wait

Oliver Salzburg

00:52

Yeah, right! :D

Let me get the "Serious Power Bank"…

I wanted to go to sleep like 2 hours ago :(

Dave

Ive been compiling kde sources the last 5, i snuck in a good 4 hour nap

Oliver Salzburg

But, yeah, it says "Low battery - The battery is too low - Charge for a while before power on"

But I was actively using the device and it was at alike 95%

And it suddenly went black

Seriously

Once you get to seriously using chinese battery shit, you learn some shit

Dave

Never had it happen to me then again i donnt have a One Plus One although I considered buying one... since I use CM12 on my S4 and all

Oliver Salzburg

They put shit batteries into everything

Cheap electronics have a reason why they are cheap :P

Well, the One came out like a year ago. I've used it daily and it's failing now

Crap like that is only made to last as long until the successor is available

Apparently :P

bwDraco

@OliverSalzburg, @JourneymanGeek: I'd like a moderator to pass to the Stack Exchange team my concern that the trademark claim covers "giving advice" under the "DragonLord" name. Under this reasoning, providing information to the general public on a website such as Stack Overflow or Super User constitutes use of the mark in commerce—reasoning that is questionable at best and nonsensical at worst. I have already emailed [email protected] about this and have not yet received a response.

Oliver Salzburg

01:00

Wow, now the phone boots again and says the battery is near empty. Before it dies it was at 90%

Piece of shit

And it was connected to power the whole time! Only the 2A power bank was able to revive it

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco: In which case, they'll get around to it

they're pretty busy but do respond to such requests

bwDraco

Can you forward this concern to them nonetheless?

I simply want a mod backing this concern.

Oliver Salzburg

@bwDraco Do you really think your concern is that important that someone needs to follow up on your existing email correspondence?

Well, you obviously do

And, respectfully, I disagree

You seem to have a very weird obsession regarding Stack Exchange and I don't think it is healthy

bwDraco

The concerns lies well beyond Stack Exchange, because it affects my ability to participate on any website where I use this name.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco: Essentially, You'd get the same reply I gave you previously.

SE can't comment on that.

As far as your usename here goes. What I said previously goes.

There's nothing else to say.

Oliver Salzburg

01:09

@bwDraco Why do you feel that you need to discuss any of this here? If anyone is taking offense to your username, it is between you and them. If you think this is a matter which you need to take to Stack Exchange, do so. Why do you feel the need to also bring this to this room and everyone's attention?

There have been previous encounters where you have appeared as seeking attention. This is not appropriate for this community. Your contributions are appreciated. But I seriously do not understand this attention seeking behavior you've been exhibiting

Dave

+ its totally off topic

just saying

Journeyman Geek

Its not just in or off topic.

Its also whether its disruptive to the flow of normal stuff.

Anyway, I think that's that.

bwDraco

I'll see what I can do about this. Contributions to the community may be disrupted as a result of this incident, but I'll try not to do this.

Dave

01:25

My kid is like a zombie hes only 8 months old and i keep having to push him back away fro the key oard

literrally evert 5 seconds

Journeyman Geek

@Dave: the solution is to start him early ;)

Dave

Best way to get him hooked, to keep him away from something he loves already

Journeyman Geek

I joke that I'll be passing on my keyboard to my nephew when he's old enough to type.

Dave

lol

You did see the picture yesterday right?

Journeyman Geek

yup

Dave

01:27

he'd be a good pen tester

Journeyman Geek

(I have a backlit mechanical keyboard. Whenever my nephew is over, he INSISTS on banging on it for a bit. Used to try to hug it when he was super-tiny)

Dave

Thats soo damn cute. hah

Journeyman Geek

Funny that

the geeky gene skipped 2 generations with him ;p

Dave

:)

Journeyman Geek

(my dad and brother arn't geeks. My grandad was... kind of a proto geek. Had similar interests to me, but environment wasn't right)

Dave

01:30

My intentions of this one is getting him into a language school then teachiing him basic arduino programming just to get him into learning how to code.

brb diaper

Michael Frank

@Dave Not telling you how to raise your kid(s), but a while ago I took a course about brain development in infants. Research suggests that screen time for under 2 year olds can actually be detrimental to their development. brainwave.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/TotsToddlersTV.pdf

Journeyman Geek

lol

Dave

Never knew that.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: heh. Future geeky pups will get red russian folktales about heroic wolves and dumb russian princes.

dumb as rocks. Wolf do hard work. Prince get princess and shiny things. Wolf get prince out of her fur.

Michael Frank

@Dave It's worth looking into at least.

Journeyman Geek

01:33

(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… one of my favourite folk takes as a pup ;p)

If you think about it, the prince was a bungling idiot who probably would have killed himself tying his own shoelaces.

Michael Frank

We got some pretty interesting indigenous mythology: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ui_(M%C4%81ori_mythology)

Journeyman Geek

Funny thing for me is I got brought up on both indian and european/russian folklore.

Michael Frank

Maui takes a jaw-bone from one of his ancestors, catches the sun at the edge of the world with a net made out of flax, then proceeds to beat the sun until it agrees to go slower across the sky.

Journeyman Geek

Parents bought a ton of books ;p

lol

BEHOLD THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM!

Michael Frank

He then uses that same jawbone as a fish hook, casts it out into the ocean and proceeds to fish up the entire North Island.

@JourneymanGeek Is that common for your area?

Or is it partly your heritage?

Journeyman Geek

01:41

@MichaelFrank Mom's a bookworm ;p

There's also a box of little golden books and puddle lane stuff somewhere

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek I remember the Little Golden Books, but never seen Puddle Lane before.

Journeyman Geek

Puddle Lane

Puddle Lane (or Tales from Puddle Lane) is a 1980s British pre-school children's television programme written by Rick Vanes with animated stories written by Sheila K. McCullagh, author of Tim and the Hidden People. A long series of books based on the stories was produced by Ladybird Books, also under the title Puddle Lane. == TV programme == The programme was made by Yorkshire Television in Leeds for ITV and ran on from 1985 (as a replacement for Mooncat) until 1989. The main characters were the Magician (played by Neil Innes, who also composed music for the programme), and a Spell Dragon named...

Didn't know it was based off a TV series

and I remembered there were cats called Tim and Tessa.

Dave

My favorite TV show to watch as a kid was actually a TV network called the weather channel

I literally would watch it 8 hours at a time.

Journeyman Geek

02:08

@RecycleBin: When making sweeping statements its worth being willing to back them up ;)

Recycle Bin

its deleted lol

I didnt scroll down for a while so though that was what was going on

Recycle Bin

02:56

Recycle Bin is bored

Journeyman Geek

03:14

You should build a ball launcher

Recycle Bin

hmm I could

its kinda late though to build a serious one

Bob

03:48

@JourneymanGeek reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3qleyg/…

Journeyman Geek

>_>

Bob

Huh. OVH has Xeon-D now.

Recycle Bin

04:06

cant win7 use boot.ini

more awkwardness

Paul

I find it odd that if I edit a question/answer, it is accepted straight away. But if I approve someone else's edit, it takes another person to finally approve

I guess that is because you pay more attention to your own edits

Journeyman Geek

And you are the best person to decide if an edit to your question fits what you had in mind.

Recycle Bin

04:22

since hundreds of people create a version of windows how do they put it all together

some people do windows media player and others will do something else and so on

I never really understood that

they all modify the previous nt source but that doesnt explain how it started

nt 4 just gets modifed then they call it nt 5

there must be thousands of employees who work on making the actual OS

but wouldnt that be patchy in the long run

Bob

@RecycleBin Project management, compartmentalisation, etc.

The core NT kernel is fairly small.

That would include a driver ABI.

Each driver uses this ABI, but isn't really part of the core kernel source (despite running with kernel-level privileges).

Then there's the (non-public) kernel API.

The Win32 environment sits on top of that. There used to be a POSIX environment too.

@in32 itself exposes an API.

Userspace programs are on top of that.

The built-in userspace programs, for the most part, just use this public Win32 API.

They can request the Win32 teams to add functionality they need. But otherwise they just dev in their own little world.

This is how you can write a PE program and expect it to run on newer versions of Windows -- and they rarely deprecate/remove APIs.

All major/modern consumer OSes share the same basic principles.

@RecycleBin It's not one big source file. It's not even thousands of little source files compiled together.

It's many different projects with well-defined interfaces between them.

An embedded OS is different. Everything is much more tightly integrated -- and resources are usually very sparse.

You're often working within a couple kB of RAM at most, and maybe a MB of ROM if you're lucky.

Often there isn't really an "OS" at all.

HackToHell

04:50

github.com/jblakeman/apt-select

Annd SL hasn't updated their Ubuntu mirriros

Bob

Ended up at 14/20 yesterday :(

allquixotic

@Bob Worth mentioning that, except for breaking changes like WDDM, many parts of the Windows internal ABIs and driver ABIs have remained stable for many many years, which is a hallmark of great API design, almost by implication: if the design weren't good, it'd be necessary to revise it to support new hardware, as they did with WDDM.

So yeah, part of what makes the NT kernel so successful is that large swaths of it were well-designed in the first place, so much so that they have remained stable and compatible with old drivers across many releases of Windows. Graphics drivers are a notable exception due to the groundbreaking upheaval and changes in GPU design, that they could not possibly have anticipated.

Compatibility is still a big deal, though! You can load and run a graphics driver written for Vista's WDDM 1.0 on Windows 10 (as long as the bitness matches) and most applications, except for those requiring the latest DirectX APIs, will run just fine.

Bob

05:08

@allquixotic Unfortunately, not all of them.

Though I suspect at least part of that is due to drivers making too many assumptions on undocumented aspects of the kernel.

Journeyman Geek

imgur.com/gallery/GRbFM

this seems useful

Journeyman Geek

05:22

@allquixotic: heh, they ~~stole~~ hired the best when they built NT ;)

Dave Cutler

David Neil "Dave" Cutler, Sr. (born March 13, 1942) is an American software engineer, designer and developer of several operating systems including Windows NT at Microsoft and RSX-11M, VMS and VAXELN at Digital Equipment Corporation. == Personal historyEdit == David Cutler was born in Lansing, Michigan and grew up in DeWitt, Michigan. After graduating from Olivet College in 1965, Cutler went to work for DuPont. One of his tasks was developing and running computer simulations on Digital machines. He developed an interest in operating systems and left DuPont to pursue that interest. Cutler's software...

Journeyman Geek

06:23

engadget.com/2015/10/28/batman-arkham-knight-steam-pc-problems

Maaan

Just how badly did they mess up this game?

Bob

> having at least 12GB of system RAM on a PC allows the game to operate without paging and provides a smoother gameplay experience

O_O

Journeyman Geek

(Ok, so that's about average here)

Bob

06:41

@JourneymanGeek ?

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Is it back on sale yet?

Journeyman Geek

yup

@Bob: having 16gb in at least one pc? ;p

Bob

06:56

@JourneymanGeek That's for multitasking, not for a single game.

HackToHell

07:13

How can you save htop's color scheme

the default color scheme sucks

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: ;p

58 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek

Just how badly did they mess up this game?

Boris_yo

07:30

lol Dune reference?

The Pumpkin Spice Must Flow

►

Not sure what's with this laughing guy...

Leathe

08:52

@JourneymanGeek you around?

Can you remove the "accepted as best answer" on an answer I made? superuser.com/questions/993341/…

Since I realized it's completely false. I could just delete the answer but I'll wait for him to reply to a comment that's under the answer

Journeyman Geek

@Leathe: no

Leathe

alright

I'll wait for him then :P

Journeyman Geek

(We really can't. This isn't a grumpycat no or anything)

Leathe

yeah, I got that :P

Journeyman Geek

09:12

facedesk

I'm getting a suprising amount of reputation for a answer I thought was embarassingly simple

Sathya

transfer some rep to meeeee

Journeyman Geek

;p

Essentially my answer was literally "yes"

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A: Can domain name have both IP (IPV6 and IPV4)?

Sure. You have an A record (for IPV4), and a AAAA record(for IPV6). Typically the AAAA record gets resolved first, then the A record. You can either have just an A name (for a IPv4 only host), AAAA name (IPV6 only host) or both. You could even have different servers for both.

@Sathya: If all goes well, I'll have no time to answer questions again except on weekends XD

Sathya

lol

I don;t get time to even look at the questions to edit, let alone answer..

Journeyman Geek

If I look at posts, its primarily cause they interest me

or are in the mod queue ._.

Sathya

09:28

lol

HackToHell

09:54

wtf arstechnica.com/security/2015/10/…

djsmiley2k

10:25

o_O

Oliver Salzburg

@djsmiley2k I have the same reaction

I have to say, I'm with Google on this one. I'd even say that Symantec should have their trust revoked right now and forever

Someone who sells AV isn't trustworthy in the first place :P

djsmiley2k

haha

yeah that too

This thing is so serious, you screw up once, you're out.

you screw up, and then screw up figuring out how bad it is? You're REALLY out.

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Oliver Salzburg

I agree completely

Bob

10:46

@OliverSalzburg They're such a big player that that would effectively break a good chunk of the internet

djsmiley2k

10:59

Too big to fail?

Bob

@djsmiley2k Pretty much.

They're at the point where you can't really just go "Nope, all your certificates are now invalid. Too bad." without severe consequences.

djsmiley2k

Wonder how much google is paying for all their certs

As they are surely going to move them now.

arugh

scp maybe/possibly/idon'tknowanymore uses sftp subsystem

Bob

11:15

@djsmiley2k Google owns an intermediate CA issued/signed by GeoTrust.

They're not with Symantec.

djsmiley2k

:O

Journeyman Geek

11:31

washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/27/…

"The dog walked into the saloon. He had murder in his eyes, and a pronounced limp. He was looking for the man who shot his paw...."

Also, these people need to learn proper gun safety ;p

qasdfdsaq

Journeyman Geek

12:09

> Interestingly, I could only find one case of a cat shooting its owner, way back in 2005.

typically because cats don't leave evidence

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Hennes

Boggles at 'happened in car'

And agreed on proper gun safety.

Unless on a firing range (or actively hunting) you should be able to pick up any gun, point it at your own head and pull the trigger. SAFELY.

Oliver Salzburg

12:25

@Bob I don't see the problem

Replacing a certificate takes a few minutes. If you have thousands of certs, yeah, it'll probably take you a while to replace them all, but that's what you get for purchasing from a shitty company :P

Bob

@Hennes And yet a core tenet of gun safety is that you should never attempt two (maybe even all three) of those things. Ever. Even if it's supposed to be safe.

Oliver Salzburg

If you can't revoke the trust for CAs which are not trustworthy, because they have issued so many certificates, what does that say about the whole web of trust anyway?

Hennes

I know. And I will never do it myself.

But I may ask someone else to do that if (s)he leaves a gun around.

Oliver Salzburg

What's the point in having a gun around if it's not loaded?

Hennes

Not sure. What would you do even if it is loaded (and in a safe steel chest, locked, with the key in another part of the house)

Or whatever local rules are.

Oliver Salzburg

12:33

That as well. If I felt the need to own a gun, I'd keep it close by and ready to shoot

That being said, I don't feel the need ;P

Hennes

I have felt the need once. (After driving to work at the speed limit, which caused another car driver to yell at me that he wanted to slice my throat).

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: actually no

You treat any gun as a loaded gun

And you don't load it, or point it at anything you don't want to insert lethal high speed copper jacketed metal into.

Hennes

aye. Esp. for the 'do not point it at'

Journeyman Geek

Wee

Repcapped.

@OliverSalzburg: In the military? The idea is that you're handing the gun over to a bunch of idiotic adolecents who can't be trusted to drink, or not shoot their buddy in the arse, yet need to defend the nation against <enemy of the week>

Hennes

Isn;t the point that you are handing over a gun (probably a rifle) but not the ammunition. And with a drill sergeant next to them making sure they do not ever point it away from the target they are supposed to fire at ?

Other than that: Aye.

Journeyman Geek

12:40

You get handed a gun

You CHECK if there's live ammo.

Even if you know there's no live ammo.

Likewise the magazines stay in your webbing/lbv until you're in a situation where you need to shoot someone.

Journeyman Geek

13:03

this is amusing

I don't know 1. Where this backup is from

2. When I made it.

Dave

That is amusing, is that something you're lost? Or someone else is lost about? Im assuming someone else is asking you that eh?

Journeyman Geek

Was clearing out old DVDs

I know what its for

Dave

Ah!

Journeyman Geek

But I don't remember making a bootable backup using acronis

or that it even did that.

Dave

Ewww acronis =)

Journeyman Geek

13:06

and I traditionally label optical media backups with dates

Dave

Id just mount that backup as a snapshot, look in the temp folder sort the files by create date / modified date.. And find the latest file in there, That's probably the most accurate date when it was backed up.

mount that snapshot backup rather

If i recall you can mount acronis backups right?

There may be a date stored within the backup file's "file header" if acronis stores meta data in the actual file file header.

Journeyman Geek

plausibly

I'd need to install acronis then

so I'll restore

and acronis should be installed ;p

Dave

:D

HackToHell

According to hdparm 4x1.0 tb SATA in RAID 10 seems to faster than an SSD

Journeyman Geek

I'll be rebuiiding that box in a few weeks anyway

HackToHell

13:13

SATA Timing buffered disk reads: 242 MB in 0.42 seconds = 576.12 MB/sec
SSD Timing buffered disk reads: 1394 MB in 3.00 seconds = 464.21 MB/sec

o0

Can anyone run hdparm on your local with a normal SATA ?

Dave

:-O

HackToHell

> hdparm -tT /dev/sdb1

Dave

Wish i had sata

qasdfdsaq

@OliverSalzburg liveleak.com/view?i=89d_1411198955

Dave

Still rocking ide over here.. Working on setting up an IDE raid.

qasdfdsaq

13:16

> According to hdparm 4x1.0 tb SATA in RAID 10 seems to faster than an SSD
This is not surprising

> SATA Timing buffered disk reads: 242 MB in 0.42 seconds = 576.12 MB/sec

This is not a valid test

Typical SATA hard drives will read at 100-200MB/sec each. RAID-10 allows you to combine reads from four drives at once = 400-800MB/sec.

You are however, doing a buffered read which could well fit (at least partially) in a drive cache, you need far more than 0.4 seconds to get an accurate reading

HackToHell

yeah, that's there

Any suggested tools for bench marking apart from dd ?

Dave

bonnie++

coker.com.au/bonnie++

djsmiley2k

another vote for bonnie++ here

very easy, does the job

HackToHell

+1 from google too

Journeyman Geek

On linux, yeah, that's the standard ;p

@Dave: Are you still on pata? 0_0

@HackToHell: My nicer boxen are on windows

Dave

13:26

Willing to buy a SATA

I will accept donations too

<-- donations this way

Bob

@Dave Was a real pain in the arse last time I tried.

djsmiley2k

@Dave what country?

Journeyman Geek

@Dave: heh, I have a pair of 30gb sata drives I got for a tenner a piece.

djsmiley2k

If you can collect, I may have some lying under my desk

Dave

@djsmiley2k: usa

djsmiley2k

13:28

heh nope sry D:

My throwing isn't that good.

Dave

Just attach a helium balloon to it, it will probably make it here just in time for christmas.

+ Free shipping ;)

djsmiley2k

lol

Journeyman Geek

rofl

Restored. Immediate BSOD

Dave

Journey: boot linux and mount -t nfs

ntfs*

Journeyman Geek

@Dave: I really can't be bothered ;p

Dave

13:32

lmao. Well good luck =P

Journeyman Geek

My dad has the same model and XP

I can make a proper restore Disk if I needed this

I'll just throw windows 10 back on and call it a day

Dave

That will work

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I have to shut down and boot into linux for a sample

And I am too lazy

Oh look SanDisk Ultra is white and grey from redy and grey

Red and grey looked cooler

Journeyman Geek

lol

qasdfdsaq

I have 20 1.5TB SATA drives for like a tenner a piece

Dontcha know helium is in extremely short supply (and thus expensive?)

Oh great, NINE Xen CVE/Security advisories this morning

Journeyman Geek

13:53

wee, restore failed.

I'll reinstall windows 10 in the morning

@qasdfdsaq: also, helium should be in drives.

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