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16:00
Love the video games too!
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Hm. Wonder what the download size is.
should be a winter sale soonish no?
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20 GB space recommended
ouch
should probably get it a day before playing :P
jmeter = pain
does windows 10 take like 20gb to install
I thought it was closer to 10
16:05
closer to 10
wee
my remix mini is shipping
well soonish
thats a lot
winxp can take as little as 80mb, and max around 2 GB
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yea, as available storage went up so did the install size
a decent chunk is actually taken by hardware support (drivers)
80 MB seems like quite a feat. Is that heavily crippled or something?
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16:06
there's a lot more included drivers with every release
smallest I got it was sub 128mb...
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@JohnB my bet is a large chunk of drivers are stripped out, along with most default programs
did a VERY dirty trick tho
the 80 mb install doesnt even have video, its just for serial debugging and stuff
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you're basically left with the kernel
16:07
ah
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@RecycleBin did it have the win32 subsystem?
im not too sure
there was a Mini XP available on Hiren's, or something like it I think
You could run upx on some (but not all) dlls and executables
do the wrong ones and... boom.
its technically XP embedded but regular XP can be componentized too
16:08
but if you do it on a running system you MAY end up with a smaller install
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I suppose you could probably shrink Win10 a fair bit too, if you really wanted
but most people don't have a reason to now
Hallo superusers, I come in peace
@Bob Aha. Tablets. That answers my wondering about 'why on Earth would anyone still install a 32 bit version of windows 10?` Tablets with limited memory, that is why.
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Hm. Is 10 GB real space taken, or just a dumb count?
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16:09
A dumb count wouldn't account for hard links.
@Hennes: yup
or older boxen.
hm
Got my OnePlus 2, bought the new SIM card I needed, and got it booted up - I miss my OnePlus One already
How old must a box be to use 32 bit OSses? And still capable of running it at a decent speed?
P3 256MB boxes ?
@Hennes: makes sense for my stream 11. I don't remember if its 32 or 64 bit
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@CanadianLuke lol
what's wrong with it?
16:10
@Hennes: minimum 1 gb ram for windows 10
windows 3.1 takes like 9mb to installl
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@JourneymanGeek says the guy running it on 512MB
so things have changed
@RecycleBin: and?
@Bob: running?
windows 2.01 was 20-ish floppuies to install :)
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16:11
@RecycleBin Windows 3.1 also didn't support preemptive multitasking :P
It was as fast as a dashund with front wheel drive.
If it has > 512MB I always go for 64 bit.
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Not that that would account for much larger binaries, but it certainly does indicate the general age and functionality of the OS.
And I do not doubt that win 10 will run on 512MB (as long as you do not start any programs and do not expect to have free memory for disk caching)
16:12
oh god, coughing up acid reflux now
@Hennes: it didn't
I remember running most office PCs with XP and 128MB. 90MB in use before starting outlook (and swapping after starting outlook)
So... if someone can save me some googling head banging, installing a linux distro to a USB drive is possible right? An 8gig one, if that matters.
I'd be surprised if it did, Ubuntu requires at least 6Gb to install according to the iso
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@RecycleBin antacids?
16:13
WOn't install either
@AwalGarg:sure
yep, brb
Installing an OS to an USB drive it painless, as long as you do not run windows
ugh I cant right now
@AwalGarg definitely. easy with linux distros, have not managed to do it sucessfully with windows however
Basically, whatever you install, make sure it can read from USB (drivers!) before it needs to load additional drivers
16:13
refus supposedly does windows to go
not sure how that works yet tho
Thanks @JourneymanGeek @xCare
For Linux with the relevant drivers compiled into the kernel that is not a problem.
With linux and a stripped down kernal and loadable modules it becomes interesting.
Ditto BSD's
I've tried installing windows from usb, it's a pain, never went through all the way
For windows: YOu have less controll over drivers.
16:14
it always works fine for me.
Imma do that in a couple of minutes and if shit doesn't go right, I might be a bit vampy here XD
and faster.
Aye
Win 7 from USB installed 2x to 3x faster than from my DVD
(about 30MB/sec read from USB, and much better random reads).
No idea how fast the reads from the DVDROM are.
I have my own linux distro that i built from scratch with toolchains and all that boots off of usb .. it was pretty painless for me (took about 3 days worth of compiling to get the OS to initially boot)
idk really what's the matter with it, why it won't install windows from USB.. been trying to add windows 10
16:15
It was painless though only because i knew what i was doing
Did you try to install from an USB2 port ?
Linux OS Tip: use YUMI
It has KDE plasma on it too
Or from USB 3 ?
USB2
16:16
OK
@xCare: I think I bootstraped those installs from the tool. For older windows I use rufus.
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@xCare :D
Background: Most OS's (and linux kernels ) whip with plenty of support for USB 2. But not always for USB3 support.
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@xCare Funny that, I'm going to be doing that soon.
imo just download the latest kernel and compile usb3.0 support into it.. problem solved ;)
16:17
Aye. It can be that simple.
@JourneymanGeek I even tried to upgrade to Windows 10 the direct way and see if I could get the files of the downloaded OS and save them, I couldn't even figure where they were downloading the files to
but the devil is in the details (such as telling the bootloader to use that shiny new kernel)
yeah, its a lot easier to do that these days =) I still remember when you HAD to run lilo after you installed a kernel or it would fail to boot the OS after restart.
LI.....
and the 1024 sector bug
YES!
16:18
is it even possible to save the OS from the direct upgrade download? haven't a clue
What do you mean with 'safe the OS? '
All the fun with linux (1.3 kernels), LILO and windows.
And two different parttion tables and filesystem corruption
for example, say you select the option to Upgrade Windows 7 to 10
@Bob It's not Cyanogen Mod. All the cool features from before? I need CM to get them! It's pretty much a base-Android OS, with what feels like NO optimizations whatsoever
it walks you through the steps then tells you it's downloading the upgrade
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@CanadianLuke ...then just install CM?
16:20
I shouldn't have to... The phone should just love me and do what I want! Waaahh!
I have not tested that, but I would:
1) Backup the win 7 install (can skip this)
2) Clean install (format disk!) of win 7 (nothing to bugger the upgrade)
3) Upgrade to win 10
4) Reformat with a clean win 10 install
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@xCare You tried selecting the "Create media for other computer" option?
I wonder if CM12 can go on this phone... One sec
normally, on a file you download for example, you can make a copy of the file, even if it is from the temporary internet file repository, and save it somewhere else if you want to keep the file
Never was lucky enough to use 1.x my first distro (slackware) used 2.0 back in like 1996 or 7.. I dont remember
kernel panics galore
@Bob yes, I have a Windows installer USB
but as I was saying, with the Windows upgrade, you can't tell where it's putting the files it's downloading
Anybody know if its remotely possible to still upgrade from a 98 machine to Windows 10?
@Dave if you do it in steps, yes
I started with 1.3.somelownumber. Moved back to 1.2.8 (the most stable 1.2)
Then interned writing a device driver for the 2.0 kernel
The machine has the hardware
16:23
YouTube has videos of it
Oh fill me in the details ! :)
so you can't copy and save them somewhere if for example, you don't want to re-download them again if it fails to install
@Dave go from Windows 98 -> 2000 -> XP -> Vista -> 7 -> 10
If you have the legal upgrades from 98 to vista (not free), then yes. Then you can go from vista to 10 (free).
But that assumed you also have modern hardware to run win 10
the direct upgrade download for windows 10 takes a really long time 4+ hours here
16:24
Canadian: Problem with that is that darn license to get to a newer build of windows :(
But typical win98 hardware may have 16MB of memory...
No, no licensing. If you get XP SP3, it lets you skip the license key
It's been done before. Just skip the license key
what is youtube
It is the family version of redtube
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Meant to say im on windows XP already not 98..
And I tihnk it is SP3
16:25
hmm I cant seem to skip the licence on XP
/facepalm
You need the SP3 version
it is sp3
@CanadianLuke I have a licenced windows, but even that has licence recognition problems in upgrading. Say for example if I want to install Windows xp besides windows 7, it won't let me get past the license input screen
I hav every versions ever
16:26
Do you need the 64 bit version of XP to upgrade to the regular win10 x64 ?
@xcare I install it just fine without a license key
how? won't work for me and I have an official os disk and all
/me looks at time. Curse. Back in 30 min
shop!
are you on about where you gotta enter the product key in windows setup
yes
16:27
I cannot skip this oddly
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Ah crap. Just remembered YUMI can't do EFI
same
in SP3 does explorer>favourites>organize favourites work for you?
I just get a blank window
You can click the Skip button. I'll take a look in a VM
I don't see one in mine
I boot from the cd
16:30
my windows disk must be dodgy
So essentially if I'm on windows XP SP3.. I may be able to upgrade to 8.1 for free then from there upgrade to 10? windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows-8/…
Need to download that iso
@Mokubai how do you add inline pictures to posts?
probably the ISo has sp3 badly slipstreamed
for fuck sake, why is WCCFtech site always writing crap? wccftech.com/frequency-malwares-macs-reached-time-high
> Increased Sales Of Macs And MacBooks Have Increased Apple’s Desktop Platform’s Market Share, Which Also Makes It A Threat To Hackers
@tereško Sensationalist tech news site. Clickbait crap.
It's the Fox News of tech
16:46
@tereško lol
Ive had a macbook once
it just fell to pieces
Thats better news that me reading about ISIS creating condom bombs to attempt to blow russian planes out of the sky.
because there overpriced junk
> more malware has been found this year in Macs, or OS X in particular compared to all the previous five years combined
from the wccftech article
That is basically exponential growth of 14% per year. Whoop-de-doo!
Not very surprising
16:49
anyone know how to make pictures appear inline on a post
@xCare in chat? just paste the direct link to the image itself
not sure, bullet points go out of alignment too
thanks
@xCare sorry, didn't hear the ping. only just got headset drivers installed.
16:55
np. doesn't seem to work still, how do I get images to appear inline on questions or answers?
@xCare "doesn't seem to work" -- what exactly are you writing in your question/answer?
could be a link to a site that's disallowing hot linking
I'm trying to get a link to a pic in imgur to show inline
@xCare are you using the "insert image" button?
specifics.
What actual textual content is within your question or answer that you are hoping will turn into an image?
<img src="http://imgur.com/IKTmKxp" width="100" height="100">
16:57
!!no
@xCare don't use html
@xCare use the insert image button
That's HTML, for starters. Secondly, you need the DIRECT URL to the image. That is not a direct URL to the image. When you click that link, you get a webpage, not an image.
16:57
@xCare sorry, that was for posts which I thought you meant. Chat messages are different
@allquixotic oh
The URL needs to be http://i.imgur.com/IKTmKxp.jpg . You can find that by right-clicking on the image itself and doing "Copy image URL" (in Chrome).
Other browsers have similar ways to copy the URL of an image.
@xCare click "help" in the bottom right of this window for chat formatting
kk, I'll try that
17:00
@JohnB it's not for chat, it's for an answer I'm editing
ok, thanks
this is a wild ride
lol
6 mins ago, by xCare
np. doesn't seem to work still, how do I get images to appear inline on questions or answers?
argh, lunch. bbiab
@allquixotic ohh I missed that, thanks
I use HTML sometimes for posts, it's handy if you want to alter the size of the image.
17:32
ok so what OS to install
@DragonLord Samsung 950 Pro NVMe M.2 is out
I need something reliable, hard to break
like made of rock
I dont want any photos being corrupted
debian didnt work properly with my GPU
and it felt like an ancient OS
I think you should focus on a redundant back-up solution rather than worry about which OS
17:48
Do you have an example?
isnt Raid kinda risky though
I have thought about redundency but $$$
I don't mean RAID, I mean multiple failsafes
hmm well I have backups but windows just messes them up too!
@RecycleBin If you're a poor system administrator, don't understand the risks and technicalities, and don't pay attention to warning signs, RAID can be risky. If done properly, however, it can greatly decrease the chances of you losing data.
I have my important photos and stuff on three machines. But you don't need to pour money into it, it could be as simple as burning your stuff on a DVD periodically
17:50
im the best system administrator
ok
One fairly cheap way to go would be to buy a cheap second computer with at least two hard drives of any size, and put them in RAID-1 (mirroring) and install a reliable filesystem like ZFS.
I just am not familiar with everything in I T
can windows use zfs
I have an XP desktop
@RecycleBin Based on the comments you've made here over the past few days, I highly doubt that you're even an okay system administrator, much less "the best". Sorry. Just my honest opinion.
im the best
@RecycleBin If you were an average system administrator (or better), you'd know that it's not possible to use ZFS directly on Windows, but you can of course attach a Network Attached Storage device to Windows using any filesystem.
@RecycleBin OK, I'm done helping you, then. Good luck solving your problem, #1.
Since you're the best, you should have no problem with it ;)
17:53
I know nothing about zfs as I said I dont know everything
how much do NAS's cost
Im still hoping for the day when Windows can read Extended Volumes
@RecycleBin Making extraordinary claims like "I'm the best system administrator", and then displaying extreme ignorance about basic knowledge that is essential to being a system administrator, are two contradictory things. That's like saying "I'm the best car driver ever!" seconds before crashing your car into a telephone pole.
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@RecycleBin A NAS is just a computer. So, it can be as cheap as a cheap computer, or as expensive as a very powerful one.
that is a NAS yes
that is not a cheap one though
I may be wrong about being the best
looks like Ill have to wait till xmas
17:57
You're probably the worst either, just somewhere in the middle ;)
Sometimes a NAS will come "off the shelf" from a store in a pre-packaged, ready to go form, where you can unwrap it and use it as a NAS right away.
Those tend to cost slightly more than it'd cost to build a NAS out of computer parts and do the software work yourself.
Basically, if you want to save time and not have to learn a lot of new concepts, you can buy a pre-built NAS. Or, if you want to learn stuff, and build stuff, you can create your own NAS solution, that's just as good or better, and save some money -- but it'll take you more time.
hmm tough choice
NAS doesn't make sense to me
I like the build it yourself option. =)
It should be in a fireproof+ box
17:59
I could do with building more PC's but on the other hand time is money
I have little expeirience building PC's, apparently its easy but I heard its also easy to mess up installing the CPU
"Time is money" - that's right. If you have little money and lots of time, you can do the same thing as someone who has lots of money and no time. :)
Only the super-elite have time and money. Most people who have lots of money sacrifice most of their free time.
How does this sound for do it yourself instructions for someone who is a DBA and not a SYSADMIN. You'll need to know how to install linux, set up some sort of raid.. whether its ide raid or /we... Setup and configure samba and set up some shares and plop that puppy on your network.. ??
Then presto NAS!
@Dave For an entry-level NAS, I'd recommend going with FreeBSD or Solaris for the operating system, because of the better support for ZFS. ZFS on Linux works but you only need to worry about that if you want to use your Linux box for something other than storage as well.
I wonder if risk/price is on NAS's favor against cloud
Having the data in my possession isn't the best idea to me
With ZFS, you don't have to buy a Hardware RAID controller, which are expensive and slightly riskier (for example, if it doesn't get enough cooling, it might overheat and fail).
18:04
My location isn't constant so having it sitting in a house is weird
ZFS is a way to turn your CPU into something as reliable and robust as a Hardware RAID controller in terms of data integrity and safety, but the filesystem itself is free (it's open source), so it's a huge win for putting it on a NAS.
@allquixotic: Whats the pros / cons of using ZFS? My choice would have been XFS
@Clearquestionwithexamples I do both. If there's a fire at my house, it's backed up elsewhere. But if I need to access large files quickly, I don't need to wait to download them
Never mind you just answered me
lol
@Dave ZFS is the best filesystem in the world for data safety and integrity, even in the face of random power failures, the loss of disks, etc.
XFS is a great filesystem, but it's significantly less capable than ZFS for safety. It's competitive in terms of performance, though.
18:05
Got cha thanks
Also, unlike most filesystems, ZFS takes over the entire storage layer, so it does its own RAID. XFS would depend on another RAID layer instead, like hardware RAID, or Linux-MD (bad!).
ZFS's software RAID-1 is fast, and extraordinarily safe against data loss.
The archival side of things though
ok so id get a disk, format it as zfs
yup
18:08
how will windows read it
iirc bluray had impressive survival rate
I have dropbox too but still
@RecycleBin Using a network protocol. Use an ethernet cable to attach your NAS to your Windows computer.
using smb protocol via samba
windows uses smb
18:08
smb / cifs / whatever
"Samba" is an implementation of SMB. SMB is the "file sharing" protocol of Windows.
!!wiki Server_Message_Block
In computer networking, Server Message Block (SMB), one version of which was also known as Common Internet File System (CIFS, /ˈsɪfs/), operates as an application-layer network protocol mainly used for providing shared access to files, printers, and serial ports and miscellaneous communications between nodes on a network. It also provides an authenticated inter-process communication mechanism. Most usage of SMB involves computers running Microsoft Windows, where it was known as "Microsoft Windows Network" before the subsequent introduction of Active Directory. Corresponding Windows services are...
yea
ok so what else will I need for the NAS except the HDD
Like I said above, though, for the best safety I would recommend at least two hard drives, instead of one. With RAID-1 on ZFS, if you have one of your two HDDs fail, you can keep going (without losing any data) by running the second disk, and when you have time/money, replace the failed disk.
18:10
Well. You'll need some kind of a CPU, a motherboard, RAM, a case, a power supply... the basic components of a computer
You can probably throw together a workable system in the $300 range in the United States
Maybe less if you shop sales
Recycle: HDD (ZFS formatted), LINUX /BSD (not recommended Linux) , SAMBA
can a desktop be a NAS
with linux on it
actually I think a ready made NAS would be better, assuming its quieter than a desktop
Id have to turn the desktop on whenever I want to back something up if it is used as a NAS
@RecycleBin A ready-made NAS will be quieter and smaller than a computer. But yes, you can make a desktop into a NAS.
@RecycleBin Right, or leave it running 24/7 if you can afford the electricity.
18:15
are fanless ones any good
I once built a custom OS on my cell phone an ran it as a fully functional NAS.
Just kidding, but you could!!
However if you have a rasberry pi lieing around, thats a good alternative option
Short term preservation is trivial and theres tons of free online storage
I wonder if there's any free archival though
@RecycleBin: If youre interested in the raspberry pi version heres a good video youtube.com/watch?v=WXKkqDZi5jc
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Q: What medium should be used for long term, high volume, data storage (archival)?

user606723This question was inspired by http://superuser.com/questions/374386/how-to-store-and-preserve-lots-of-data. There have been other similar questions, but none with the same criteria. This is two questions in one. How do you store financial/critical records that should survive anything but a fir...

@RecycleBin Fanless are generally either more expensive, or slower than ones that have a fan.
18:28
I really like gaborous's answer
I'd rather juggle proliferation than put the data onto archival medium though
And no NFC in the OnePlus Two... I'm seriously starting to regret buying this thing
Thats a surprise. Since CM12 has it
It originally didn't work though for me, evidentally the nfc chip embedded in my battery was bad. got a new battery with a new NFC chip and it worked flawlessly.
NFC in your battery??
Yup!
My bank app won't do the NFC payments (even though I bought the NFC enabled SIM card, whatever!), and it won't read NFC tags anymore - like my bluetooth speaker system
I feel like OnePlus definitely compromised with this phone
18:38
@CanadianLuke: I feel your pain, Google Wallet worked beautifully though recently until google put the sledge hammer of ownership down on rooted phones for their new Google Pay software.
@JourneymanGeek posted the walthrough. The link that was there not only led nowhere at times but was for the old version of the program. This one's up-to-date, hope you like it:
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A: How do I fix my USB drive to get its original 8GB size back?

thaneYou should try BootIce: Restore USB Flash Disk Back to Full Capacity. UPDATE: The link above is good only for the step by step walkthrough. DO NOT click the link at the bottom of the page however, the links there all 404 out. You can download a clean copy of BootICE from the softpedia.com link b...

why does windows share C by default
when administrator typically as no password
I mean hello
hello?
its cool but im just wondering
I can look at peoples stuff
@Dave -.- Unbelievable... @RecycleBin For admin apps and commands. They still require the user to have a password for it to allow connections though, by default
18:54
what would the password be if the admin account doesnt have one
it allows blank passwords by default I belive
The hack nas with the filesystem does sound good
Still think the fire,water,shock proof box is cool. It should be locked to the house though
I read something about ethernet over power cable too
as long as you use the command prompt it should allow for the blank password
wouldnt it pass the user processes credentials over to the machine when you use dir \\host\directory for the running cmdshell process? therefore its really not blank?
\\host\share rather
even if its \\host\c$
certain protocols such as RDP and FTP allow for blank passwords
and since the administrator account often has no password it should work
last time i checked RDP used TPKT protocol
19:09
powerline is bad
i need beer
I can give you beer but it has drugs in it
youll have two scrotums if you drink it
19:32
lol
Well if it grows me an extra scrotum
WHY NOT
Sure as hell helps if you need to "Man up" or "Grow some balls" or need bigger balls
So where's the beer?
in me house
19:47
@Mokubai a detour
@Clearquestionwithexamples only slightly
almost as silly as health and saftey legislation
Oh my god the paperwork I had to do!!

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