Root Access

Psycogeek

10:06

@OliverSalzburg but if you have both it is like a little war going on for who gets your money and your computer, sort of a territorial war. who keeps selling them the ammunition.

Leathe

so apparently the new samsungs 950 PRO is insanely fast

an M.2 form factor with 2,500MB/sec read and 1,500MB/sec write speeds

Journeyman Geek

so I heard

You'd need a setup with m2 and NVMe support tho

Leathe

yeah

it seems like SATA III isn't quite enough anymore

I wonder if there will be a SATA 4 or if it'll just jump to some other form

oh nevermind

it's called SATA 3.2

16 Gbit/s

Journeyman Geek

ooh

got a HNK

Leathe

but.. that's still not enough

Journeyman Geek

10:17

@Leathe: in theory, SAS is faster

but not something you find on typical consumer devices

Leathe

SAS 4, yes

22.5 Gbit/s

Psycogeek

parellel sata 40 lines of serial communication in parelell , save those old pata cables :-)

Leathe

also, @JourneymanGeek HNK?

Journeyman Geek

hot network question

9

A: Unplugging USB hard drive can damage computer? Seriously?

I believe the technical term is "covering your rear". Its unlikely you will damage your pc, and somewhat unlikely you'll kill your hard drive (though sudden power stops are bad). However, you might cause data loss, if a transfer is in progress. That said, if the drive does die, this gives the...

Leathe

makes sense.. while K = Q

Journeyman Geek

10:20

(The selected answer is probably technically better but mine covers the hard truths ;p)

Leathe

life is too short to remove USB safely

Journeyman Geek

funny thing is I wasn't expecting that to be a HNK

I answered it cause It amuses me to say "The technical term is" then use a very non technical term to answer

Oliver Salzburg

@Psycogeek Actually, the only thing that changes if you remove anti-virus software from your computer is that overall performance increases

Leathe

@OliverSalzburg there still might be consequences of having removed said software, not immediately, but perhaps a bit later on. :P

Oliver Salzburg

@Leathe You mean, like sustained performance increase?

In my lifetime: Virus infections: 2 Virus infections prevented by anti-virus software: 0 Annoyances caused by false-positives: over 9000

Just don't click on paypal-customer-service.asdqweppsy.ru and you'll be fine

Leathe

10:38

@OliverSalzburg true. but the average user probably needs it more than you ;P

Journeyman Geek

clicks

ON NOES

Clear question with examples

This problem: superuser.com/questions/990611/…

I find it interesting

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Funny that nobody has mention WAN address. I think the OP asked the wrong question. It should have been "How doI get the WAN address of my internection connection from the commmand line". Then all the confusion about public/private address goes away.

Clear question with examples

I think wifi interference?

DavidPostill

The ISP provides a WAN address. It can be either static/dynamic and public/private depending on how the ISP has configured his network to connect to the user and privide his internet service.

Bob

10:49

@Leathe The average user also apparently doesn't know what "delete" means, so, there.

Oliver Salzburg

@Leathe The average user will install anti-virus software and then still click on links in phishing emails because they think they're safe

I would never advise a client against installing AV, but I personally feel like it's a major rip-off with more drawbacks than benefits

Bob

reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/3pq78i/…

Clear question with examples

I'm pretty clueless

Journeyman Geek

11:03

@DavidPostill: "WAN" address has no real meaning to me

Its a simplification of "what's the other ip address of my gateway"

@OliverSalzburg: I just tend to go for free and 'good enough'

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek Definition: "A WAN address is the IP address that your router uses to connect to the Internet."

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill: What if you're behind CGN?

I gave those specific examples simply cause the concept is entirely meaningless.

When I had the same problem I ended up scraping the ip address from my router. Would have been useless if the router had been behind another nat.

DavidPostill

Then your WAN ip address is whatever is provided by the CGN. The hard thing to define is where is the edge of your local LAN.

Journeyman Geek

exactly

But that won't be his public ip address

DavidPostill

That is defined by the ISP's network configuration.

Journeyman Geek

11:09

And I've run double and triple nat (for reasons) before.

The real question should be "How do I connect reliably from outside my lan, to inside the lan, without relying on an external service to work out where the hell I am?"

Oliver Salzburg

@JourneymanGeek I don't like snake oil. Even if they are free, I'm not going to put magic crystals on my desk to prevent me from getting spam either

DavidPostill

In that case he doesn't have a public IP address. He has a private one. It is then the resposibily of the ISP to route all traffic correctly to that address.

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill yup

but buuut

your router dosen't know that

nor does your pc

hell, I don't think my PC (in the lan) will or needs to know my public ip address.

DavidPostill

Exactly. That why his question is impossible to answer.

Clear question with examples

My router knows its ip

DavidPostill

11:13

Without using an external resource.

Clear question with examples

Oh, I don't know

Does that mean my ISP doesn't know who I am?

DavidPostill

@Clearquestionwithexamples His network knows how to get packets to your router.

Clear question with examples

I could probably confuse him though

the isp must have a secret name for me

Leathe

12:15

k

Put her in the.. Recycle Bin

Journeyman Geek

sigh

Recycle Bin

WHAT?????

Journeyman Geek

@RecycleBin: I'm going to clean those up. And well... please watch the language

people use the chatroom at work

Recycle Bin

oh sure lets all watch the language

Journeyman Geek

I know parents can be frustrating and all

@RecycleBin: The alternative is some random person who has no idea what is happening seeing it (or someone who does) flagging it.

So. We're cool if you want to complain. Just say it out, properly. Instead of randomly breaking out into profanity, please.

Recycle Bin

12:28

well now I dont know what to say

how would you say it exactually

Journeyman Geek

Maybe actually say what happened?

Recycle Bin

i dont want to its personal

Journeyman Geek

uh huh

So, no one's going to have any idea what it was about anyway.

Recycle Bin

nobody will care

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek You missed one ******* just before you said "sigh"

Journeyman Geek

12:32

Sorry, I'm only ~~canine~~ human.

Leathe

let that stay, otherwise my joke makes no sense :(

not that it does with it.. but

Journeyman Geek

In which case, what exactly was the point of that?

I typically complain about stuff here since, well there's a sense of community.

but I'm usually pretty clear over what it is, and I don't randomly break out into swearwords.

Recycle Bin

well this isnt some stupid little issue

Leathe

But it is without context to us, or anyone here.

Recycle Bin

it would be either way more like

Bob

12:43

> as of Noveber 2nd, it will be possible to install windows 10 by using a Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 key

@JourneymanGeek ^ maybe you should've waited

Recycle Bin

win 10 is free so why do we need a key

and it sucks

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: >_>

EBGreen

I just upgraded a Vista machine to 10. Didn't see a free option

Journeyman Geek

for the upgrades?

Recycle Bin

its obvious that win 10 is free

Journeyman Geek

12:45

I have time at the moment, and its pretty painless.

Bob

"free upgrade" != "free".

Journeyman Geek

yup

Recycle Bin

oh upgrades, like patches on their half arsed OS

those sort of upgrades.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: starting a clean install from a windows 7+ system is pretty painless for me.

Recycle Bin

how exactually do you get the upgrades without a win7 or 8 key

Bob

12:46

@JourneymanGeek Just an extra install involved.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: comes back to I have time ;p

in the case of one system, I hadn't booted it up in a while. The other is essentially 'disposable' in terms of what's on it.

and windows installs are pretty quick off of USB keys, especially if you can't be arsed to update em.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek So you're saying I should upgrade my 8.1 lappy? :P

I should probably do it on the less-used tablets first to get a feel for it...

Journeyman Geek

13:03

@Bob: I'm down to one unupgraded box

using the media creation tool is a good idea

and lol. I'm 2 points away from repcapping cause someone downvoted me today

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Hm? What was that? :P

@JourneymanGeek Happen to know how I can get both 32-bit and 64-bit installers?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: If you use the tool, you can make a universal USB key for both arches

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ah. Link?

I'd prefer an ISO image I can chuck on my YUMI drive.

> There are two versions of the tool, one for a “32-bit operating system” and one for a “64-bit operating system.”

@_@

Journeyman Geek

microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 download the version for your os, but it'll generate a liveusb for both

ISO image...

Bob

Ah.

Nice. Thanks.

Journeyman Geek

13:06

hmm

I think @Ramhound had an answer with ISOs

Bob

> If you create a USB and use it to install, make sure to remove the USB as soon as setup begins.

o.O

Journeyman Geek

yeah

lol

or at least before it reboots

Bob

So it reads the whole thing into memory?

Language defaults to "cestina"

Journeyman Geek

MDC also converts to ISO I think

Bob

o.o

Journeyman Geek

13:08

yeah, that's normal

Bob

@JourneymanGeek MDC?

Journeyman Geek

....

I donno I just seem to have fatpawed a TLA

Bob

...dammit. I have to select an edition?

Journeyman Geek

media creation tool thing...

Yeah? >_>

Bob

urk.

Tablets are on Win8.1 Core.

Desktop and laptop are on Win7 Pro/Win8.1 Pro.

...yea this isn't gonna work

Journeyman Geek

13:10

Most of my boxen are pro

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Tablets came with Core and I didn't wantto pay for the upgrade.

They're fairly lightweight use anyway.

Journeyman Geek

Oh, Theia's ~~core~~ windows 8 for bing

but that's the only non pro box I have

oh, and Ash (the Dell) was windows 7 starter

Bob

dammit apparently making an all-in-one installer won't allow upgrades

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Bob

According to this anyway superuser.com/a/949247/117590

Journeyman Geek

13:15

>_>

Are you making an all in one ISO tho?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I want to.

Basically I need a single installer (because YUMI only supports one Win7/8/10 installer per drive) that's capable of 32-bit Home and 64-bit Pro.

I don't really care about any other combination but that already basically covers both 32-bit and 64-bit, and also Home and Pro.

So basically an all-in-one excluding Enterprise.

Journeyman Geek

ahh

wait. If you're going to run it from the usb key live...

Bob

Yea?

Journeyman Geek

I wonder if you can just chuck the contents of the drives into folders

Bob

I have two tablets with 32-bit Home and two other devices with 64-bit Pro.

@JourneymanGeek I'm just grabbing "Both" "Pro" for now and hoping I can hack it into working.

@JourneymanGeek Apparently there's a DreamSpark download for "Windows 10 Multiple Editions 32/64-bit" -_-

I wonder if that would allow upgrades.

I think I still have access to DreamSpark.

Probably not worth the trouble.

Journeyman Geek

13:23

lol

Bob

Journeyman Geek

I just did it per system

Bob

@JourneymanGeek You and your fast connection -_-

Journeyman Geek

what's features on demand got?

Bob

> This download allows organizations to pre-configure Windows 10 installation software with these features prior to deployment. This download can also be used to install features from local media.

Journeyman Geek

13:27

ahh

qasdfdsaq

14:00

God I hate how they've renamed MSDN and MS AA and Technet stuff to Dreamspark while also having free Dreamspark that's nothing like it

Recycle Bin

why the fuck did you suspend my account for no reason for!!

JohnB

lol.

Journeyman Geek

sigh

Bob

@JohnB Please don't add fuel to the fire...

Journeyman Geek

@RecycleBin: Were you warned? Yes.

Recycle Bin

14:08

and I didnt after that

what exactually do you want??

Clear question with examples

What kind of suspension is it?

Recycle Bin

are you saying swear or dont swear

Journeyman Geek

@Clearquestionwithexamples: chat suspension.

Recycle Bin

for no reason

Clear question with examples

Oh so he must be unsuspended

Journeyman Geek

14:09

@RecycleBin: I felt it was distruptive. You were given multiple polite warnings.

JohnB

@Bob I would consider that to be far from fuel... it's a funny statement

Recycle Bin

and didnt I stop then

Journeyman Geek

Well, not really.

Clear question with examples

@RecycleBin What do you need help with?

Recycle Bin

yeah I did until now

Journeyman Geek

14:10

Well, its also the rather out of context, insulting remarks about your mom.

Recycle Bin

im sure ive seen all of yous swear just about too actually

Journeyman Geek

In context, sometimes, maybe.

Recycle Bin

oh now youre just making up silly rules

Journeyman Geek

shrug I felt it was valid. I made a judgement call. I believe other users here would agree as well.

Recycle Bin

I dont see it in the rules

Bob

14:13

To put it simply: "offensive" is generally poorly defined. Many people consider profanity itself offensive. Personally, I don't - but profanity itself is not the only cause of offensiveness. Specifically, IMO, remarks attacking other people are generally in poor taste at best. Calling someone a <insulting term> is not good. Doing it repeatedly, over multiple days, after a warning? I can see why the suspension happened.

Journeyman Geek

chat.stackoverflow.com/faq#nice

I felt it wasn't nice

Recycle Bin

well maybe you should take my place then oh wait you dont have the guts!

I didnt insult anybody who is in HERE

Journeyman Geek

@RecycleBin How exactly do you know?

Nope. You just randomly burst in saying bad stuff about your mom.

Recycle Bin

yeah I know that

Journeyman Geek

And when we offered to listen you said no one cares.

We're community. We talk about our issues. When I lost my job, this is the first place I complained about it.

Recycle Bin

14:15

even if so whats the point

Journeyman Geek

Would it be acceptable to yell at random people on the street that your mother is a cow? No.

Recycle Bin

thats a bit different

Journeyman Geek

I'd be very grateful if you remembered this is in a sense a shared space.

Recycle Bin

and youre not random people

qasdfdsaq

Oh crap that's what I've been doing wrong all this time

Journeyman Geek

14:17

Clearly if we don't care we are.

You really cannot have it both ways.

qasdfdsaq

Wait does the "Do I have to be nice" apply to just chat or the main site?

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: its a bit of a universal rule.

qasdfdsaq

Shit.

er.. ahem.

Yeah, I'll get my coat

Journeyman Geek

however I really do try to tell people when the cross the line

Note. ^ that's actually acceptable

its in context, and actually is part of the flow of the conversation.

qasdfdsaq

People often complain about me being too blunt, to the point of being rude, but I usually just say "It's not my job to be nice."

Journeyman Geek

14:19

@qasdfdsaq: niceness here is in terms of a certain degree of respect

qasdfdsaq

But if being nice is actually a requirement of the rules, then it's actually me who's been doing it wrong all along

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: amusingly, it says that in a LOT of places.

JohnB

you can be respectfully blunt

qasdfdsaq

Most forums I've moderated on just require people to be not an arse, but not explicitly nice.

Journeyman Geek

yup

or sarcastic

Recycle Bin

14:20

oh such as whining on for me to get win7 and when I do saying stupid crap when it screws up

Journeyman Geek

@RecycleBin: we do it to each other too.

Recycle Bin

yeah, everybody does it and im tired of it

even on the main site

in other websites

qasdfdsaq

Oh can I do this @Jou

Nope. Bleh.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: that works

there's no other people with the same letters.

qasdfdsaq

How do I @ someone without having to type or click on their entire name?

Oh haha a clippy just popped up

JohnB

14:23

Start typing then hit tab

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: @ + enough letters to be unique, then tab.

qasdfdsaq

Once I get to @Jou yours is the only name left in the list

Journeyman Geek

lol

sorry ;p

It used to be the journeyman geek...

qasdfdsaq

Well the one above the chat box anyway, dunno if it counts inactivem embers too

Journeyman Geek

for about... 5 minutes? ;p

qasdfdsaq

14:23

@Tha

@qasdf

Nope, just doesn't work at all for me :(

Journeyman Geek

You can't @ yourself

hm. Maybe I have a addon?

qasdfdsaq

@Recycle

@John

Nope.

I give up.

JohnB

if I type @J I can keep hitting tab to cycle through all the J names

Recycle Bin

the fact is I just cant help it but complain

qasdfdsaq

Oh duh, you have to tab through them.

facepalm

JohnB

14:25

:)

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

lol

qasdfdsaq

Did that work?

Recycle Bin

but only when its about certain things

Journeyman Geek

@RecycleBin: complain productively

@qasdfdsaq: yes

qasdfdsaq

14:25

@JourneymanGeek: Awesome!

Journeyman Geek

I have the PONG sound turned off tho

qasdfdsaq

TIL, how to @ people

JohnB

power move there

Recycle Bin

but I dont know how to word it meaningfully enough

Journeyman Geek

Ended up hiding under the bed a few times XD

JohnB

14:25

that pong sound is annoying

Recycle Bin

and even talking about it annoys me more

Bob

@JourneymanGeek github.com/oliversalzburg/se-chat-reply-highlight

qasdfdsaq

Facebook's pong sound has changed recently and now sounds similar

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: maybe ;p

Bob

That lets you keyboard-reply to direct messages (including your own).

By @OliverSalzburg :P

Journeyman Geek

14:26

Ahh

I have that

then forget ;p

qasdfdsaq

See I was brought up in a previous generation, before all this @'ing and #hashtagging business existed. I was brought up in the generation of /me actions

Journeyman Geek

test

Mine does that

Bob

Well that's not good.

JohnB

@qasdfdsaq pshhh, name tabbing worked in most IRC clients as well. excuse: rejected ;P

qasdfdsaq

I never name-tabbed in IRC

Recycle Bin

14:29

I used to use IRC but it sucks

JohnB

you haven't lived

DavidPostill

@JohnB Click the little speaker icon at the top right (left of "all rooms") ;)

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq: se chat modifications stackapps.com/questions/2105/…

qasdfdsaq

@JohnB That I can agree with

Journeyman Geek

I have an IRC window on the left of this ;p

JohnB

14:29

@DavidPostill ah yeah I always forget about that

Recycle Bin

IRC ops are a-holes

Journeyman Geek

lol

Recycle Bin

and most users too

Bob

Speaking of IRC, I'm getting real tired of HexChat popping up every few seconds :S

Journeyman Geek

@RecycleBin: I used to run a IRC server

Might do it again actually

Recycle Bin

14:30

well Ive kicked that habit now

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: o0

why would it do that?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek A while back there was pretty heavy spam over on #firefox. More recently? Not a clue.

Recycle Bin

people try to get into your account, people spam you, people are very rude

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Bob

Seems to be my laptop constantly reconnecting and making ZNC ping me.

Journeyman Geek

14:32

Oh, I've not had that happen

ZNC seems to be a TINY bit less reliable than when I ran it at home

but I don't need to worry about a reboot taking it down.

Recycle Bin

ive seen some oddballs in IRC

this explains it perfectly encyclopediadramatica.se/Freenode

Journeyman Geek

@RecycleBin: The glory and horror of IRC is its almost truely anonymous

No logs UNLESS you want it

JohnB

flags are piling up for the earlier messages

Journeyman Geek

ED is foul.

Recycle Bin

people do /msg nickserv yourusername abc and it keeps pinging the user 'yourusername' , abc is not the right password of course

Bob

14:35

@JourneymanGeek About as anonymous as your cloak.

JohnB

aaand he's suspended again :\

Journeyman Geek

Really?

@Bob: naturally

user3201911

could anyone help me with group policies?

Journeyman Geek

._.

That's an odd thing to star

@user3201911: we don't typically do live support.

And well, if its a specific question, wouldn't it make sense to ask on SF?

user3201911

okat :/ haha

Journeyman Geek

14:41

0

A: Is it there any way to force "Passwd" command to ask existing password everytime?

The moment someone has physical access, breaking into a system is trivial - they could hit you with something as simple as getting into single user mode or something fun like konboot. I could walk up to your system, reboot it, and get in fairly trivially. However, I'm not the threat here. You a...

I had too much fun with this...

Bob

@user3201911 You can ask and we can try, but no guarantees.

user3201911

okay i will ask ^^

Bob

Especially with anything enterprisey.

user3201911

My clients are not showing up in the group policy, but there are showing up in my Active Directory, what did I miss or do wrong? ^^

Bob

Ok, not a clue. Sorry.

user3201911

14:50

no problem :)

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