Root Access

3v0

00:28

finally some luck!

allquixotic

01:01

@Bob the jury is out, but limited experiments have so far revealed that it being TSMC as opposed to Sammy is good, despite the die size difference. Could be something about the TSMC process that is better.

3v0

one of my photos is corrupted again

how the FUCK !!!

Bob

Windows 8;1 upgrade: "don't worry, you'll be prompted when a restart is required"

later..: "you have 15 mins before automatic restart. in the middle of something? TOO BAD"

... I detest automatic restarts

3v0

8.1 UI is too focused on tablets and such

even with classic shell

Bob

01:16

that has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand

3v0

yes

Michael Frank

@3v0 wut?

!!wat

3v0

wheres the menu bars gone in 8.1

wheres the standard buttons bar wheres the explorer bars

Michael Frank

If you expected the GUI remain the same, you shouldn't have updated to a different version of Windows. It was made pretty damn clear what it would function like before they released it.

3v0

I didnt upgrade to it

I dont know why they changed it when it worked perfectly fine

Bob

01:19

shrug I rather like how UIs have moved to icon-with-text

tiny-obscure-icon was terrible

3v0

the icons are even more tiny in 8.1

Bob

worse still when coupled with higher DPI displays

If you find icons in 8 even more tiny, something else is wrong.

3v0

compared to xp they are

Bob

Not at all.

3v0

instead of the standard buttons bar theres a load of tiny icons

and its even worse in MS word

Bob

01:21

...

There are no icons any smaller than they were previously.

Michael Frank

The Ribbon in Office is really good. I don't have hundreds of tiny icons to search through to find what I'm looking for...

Bob

Your "buttons bar" exemplifies the now-antipattern of a bar full of tiny icons.

3v0

but there IS hundreds of tiny icons

Bob

Nup.

Important functionality gets nice big icons.

3v0

Bob

01:23

Less important stays with smaller + text.

Little-used stays with smaller w/o text

3v0

minimize, etc is a tiny bit smaller but you can make them as big as you want in XP

you cant in 8.1

because advanced appearance settings is gone in display properties

I can make all this whatever size I like

Bob

Pretty much the definition of tiny icons =>

3v0

they make sense though

Bob

sigh

They "make sense" only because you've been trained to become used to it over many years.

To a new user, it's about the most obscure crap possible.

3v0

yeah ms office of new hides all this under one big office icon

including where the file menu would normally be

even the menu bar is now a bunch of tiny icons instead of a menu

I still find it hard finding the save button

Bob

01:27

@3v0 That's not new.

That's 8 years old.

2007 was basically a trial run of the ribbon interface

2010 got it right

3v0

since vista right

Bob

Also, the save button is added to the quick access bar by default.

Michael Frank

@Bob Not to mention Ctrl + s still works.

3v0

those are tiny icons on the titlebar

well yes

Bob

@3v0 ...pretty sure they're exactly the same size as the icons in the old toolbars.

3v0

01:30

I guess well never agree

Michael Frank

Custom Tabs = <3

3v0

thats outlook right

Michael Frank

Correct.

Bob

@MichaelFrank I also like the extension support.

3v0

id rather have it seperate instead of on the titlebar as the quick access ribbon

Bob

01:32

Pretty easy to build an extension in .NET

And much nicer than VBA

3v0

my eyes wernt what they used to be

Michael Frank

@Bob As a non-dev, I'll take your word for it. :P

3v0

I dont like the wordpad quick access bar its crammed in one corner and holds too many options

Bob

@MichaelFrank Having exposure to VBA is enough :P

Huh, people actually use wordpad?

I mean apart from viewing *nix-line-ending files on a server...

3v0

come on many people do

Michael Frank

01:36

@3v0 Hmm... not really?

Bob

I'll take your word for it.

3v0

in XP practically everything is resizeable with registry or display properties - appearance/vistual effects

Michael Frank

Or maybe just by accident.

@3v0 The registry is not for playing though. If you can only change it from there, it's not really a user setting.

3v0

it doesnt matter anyway its still badly designed IMO

why is it not for playing through

I do it all the time

Ive seldom had any issues

Michael Frank

Seldom?

3v0

01:41

very rarley

I have test VMs anyhow

Michael Frank

01:59

Ya know what the biggest travesty with the newly designed Office suite is (according to my wife)? A severe lack of good Word Art.

3v0

you mean like this i-technet.sec.s-msft.com/dynimg/IC354451.jpg

Michael Frank

@3v0 Yup. She thinks those are cool. -_-

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: Wordart is cool. If 10<age<60.

@MichaelFrank about that wierd windows grid question - I'm pretty sure software is involved

There's not really enough information though. Photographs of a screen are not cool.

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Yea, could be something like Desktop Fusion... Would have to test at home.

@JourneymanGeek However, that's what I get when I side by side.

I'll delete that, cause info whoopsie. D:

Journeyman Geek

02:18

My bad

Its doing it on mine too. I just didn't have enough windows

Michael Frank

Did you clean up my comment? D:

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

It was obsolete, and I made a mistake

though

This happened

(the red box is the actual screen size. The hexchat window got stuck outside it. Might be cause of the other higher res screen to the right.)

Michael Frank

Yea, the first time I tried it they were all different sizes. But that may have been the xenapp programs I had open.

Journeyman Geek

02:38

yeah, I tested it with multiple ~~copies~~ windows of FF and they were even

DragonLord

Yay, VNC works. It's tunneled over SSH for security.

Took a bit of a convoluted setup, though.

Wrote a shell script to make it a bit easier to start up and shut down.

3v0

03:27

can you have the same user with the same SID on the same subnet but on two PC's

Michael Frank

@3v0 Sure, that's kinda how roaming profiles work.

3v0

I got that to work after hours of fiddling

it was cool though

I was wondering if you can type a logon path in the windows logon box like pc2\Administrator instead of local pc\administrator

but without active directory

roaming profile requires shared folders

windows can only seem to see one workgroup at a time

Stack Exchange

04:02

0

Q: Should question owners be able to down vote on answers?

I have had a few questions with not so good answers. Could it be possible that question askers can down vote (or up vote) on answers to their questions, without rep requirements? Also, about up voting, if an answer is partially helpful or useful, we should be able to express that it worked. Is ...

3v0

04:15

YES I got both workgroups to show up

you gott have dynamic IP's on both pc's

they can both ping each other but only one sees both workgroups so far

3v0

04:29

it must be cause one VM is sp2 not sp3

oh god its still doing it even after cloning the SP3 VM

3v0

05:00

OMFG it finally decided to work after basically waiting staring into space for 10minutes

Boris_yo

05:28

Seems these days many apps require SMS confirmation for ~~spamming~~ verifying your profile. I do no longer want to use my personal number for this and am looking for different way to verify. Anyone knows if on-the-go type of SIM cards will do the job?

DragonLord

2

Q: Screen turns black if charging cell phone is put on top of tower

If I place my charging cell phone on top of my tower (metal) my computer screen turns black either directly or after a few seconds. If I remove the phone the screen turns on again, but hangs sometimes and I need to reboot then. The phone is plugged into a plug right next to the plugs of tower and...

hardware-failure

Grounding problem?

Bob

06:01

> According to MYOB termination code 1100 means a problem between MYOB and the display driver.

O_O

Accounting software crashing because of a display driver?

What?!

Journeyman Geek

Clearly it needs to mind its own business.

3v0

this just logs on locally MICHEAL

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: plausibly

its just wierd tho

DragonLord

06:42

@allquixotic: bad news considering that your only Internet service is Verizon 4G LTE: theverge.com/2015/10/8/9478093/…

Your phone bill will go up by $20 starting November.

Oliver Salzburg

06:56

Morning

@rlemon That's probably because this is my main room ;D

Bob

Journeyman Geek

o0

Thats a late PIV or c2d era or later heatsink tho definately older than IB... and a standard fan jerry rigged to it?

Bob

Yes, that is a motherboard with no expansion slots.

Dammit, HP.

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...it's an i3-3xxx

Journeyman Geek

06:59

@Bob: yeah, rounded heatsink + thickness ._.

oh...

almost there then ;p

also... its no no expansion slots.

Bob

You'll notice there's only a single VGA out too.

Journeyman Geek

Its They have the pads and never soldered them on o0

and er... is that a mini tower case?

Bob

And only USB 2.0 despite having an Ivy CPU

Journeyman Geek

with expansion slot covers and...

You mean 2.0?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Isn't that what I said? :P

Journeyman Geek

07:00

no?

(the true horror is sinking in)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Best part? I get to be the one to figure out how to get dual-display on these.

Journeyman Geek

And i complained about dell cheaping out on drive bays!

@Bob: magic

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Sounds close enough!

Journeyman Geek

or soldering on PCIe slots... and hoping it works

and since its usb 2.0, USB video out is gonna suck even worse.

Bob

USB 2.0 DL-160-based HP video card (which, btw, has the same model number as its more capable DL-165-based cousin) only works up to 1680x1050.

@JourneymanGeek I'm seriously considering that now.

@JourneymanGeek Spent a couple hours trying that.

1680x1060 upscaled to 1920x1080 hurts the eyes.

Journeyman Geek

07:02

@Bob: surface mount by the looks of things so...

non trivial

Bob

Not to mention the damn thing flickers off now and then.

Journeyman Geek

seriously, that's hide under the bed level scary ._.

Bob

HP: so concerned with whether they could [save 10c on PCIe slots] that they never stopped to think if they should

Journeyman Geek

and went waaay too far

What's even the point?

Bob

Yes, I butchered that line.

@JourneymanGeek ...dunno.

Journeyman Geek

07:04

might as well just chuck a mobile motherboard into a SFF box

Bob

$$$, presumably

Journeyman Geek

oh. So... they cheap out by using the same motherboard as a more capable model, just not solder in the PCIe slots...

then stick it in the same sort of case for economies of scale and...

NO WONDER THEY ARE HAVING TROUBLE....

I also see 2 unpopulated sata ports

actually?

I think they just took a board, started unsoldering things till it broke, soldered the last component back in, and called it good

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I wouldn't be surprised!

Journeyman Geek

I see unpopulated IC pads, a dozen capasitors...

there's a USB 2.0 header. I think those would be a few cents.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I'm pretty sure I see a USB 3.0 header...

Journeyman Geek

07:10

I was looking for one

got distracted

Bob

@JourneymanGeek The one next to the audio ports on the back.

Journeyman Geek

I'm pretty sure they knocked a ton of stuff off of the rear cluster too

That might be a place to solder an actual USB 3.0 oirt

Bob

That PCIe x16 slot is labelled, btw.

Journeyman Geek

yeah

so's everything.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea, I see a DVI label.

Journeyman Geek

07:12

... missing surface mount caps/resistors too...

cause its worth reprogramming your pick and place machines to shave a few cents off the BOM

Bob

Just that single freakin' DVI port would've solved my problem.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

they probably went

"lets start hacking off parts till its completely unusable, then add one more"

and by the time IB came out VGA was clearly obsolete, and DVI was on the cusp of being so.

I'd like to know

What illicit substance was everyone involved on smoking when these decisions were made....

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Probably IC dust, what with all the hacking. And a good amount of lead.

Journeyman Geek

lead poisoning explains a lot

Journeyman Geek

07:35

oh joy. superuser.com/review/late-answers/442284 wasn't an audit.

user3201911

08:13

Could anyone help me?

with this question: superuser.com/questions/983406/…

i cant RDP i cant poweredge and i cant print

but i can go on google chrome\

Journeyman Geek

08:30

hm

do you have a proxy set up?

and what does "poweredge" mean? To me, its a brand of dell servers

user3201911

i dont use a proxy

and i ment edge internet explorer

Microsoft Edge*

im just in my buisness evironment

everything worked fine before

Journeyman Geek

hm

Well, edge and RDP both use the system wide proxy settings

chrome does its own thing iirc

printing might be an unrelated issue

user3201911

amibehindaproxy.com says: There is a proxyserver active on your internet connection!

but i think i only using this proxy to go outside of my 192.168 ?

Journeyman Geek

the proxy may be misconfigured?

user3201911

on my laptop itself?

Journeyman Geek

08:44

Might want to talk to your sysadmin about that.

user3201911

i more think its a DNS problem

Journeyman Geek

Plausibly or the proxy server's spazzing at your system

user3201911

we dont have a sysadmin

Journeyman Geek

or whoever manages everything

user3201911

we have an own dns server inside our network

we only use the proxy to go outside

because only I have to problem

Journeyman Geek

08:45

who maintains the DNS server and proxy?

user3201911

noone really does

Journeyman Geek

._.

user3201911

1november is the sysadmin hired

:/

Journeyman Geek

What happens if it breaks?

so, here's the thing

hmm

does chrome do its own DNS thing?

user3201911

yes i think so

i tried flush my dns cache, didnt help

Journeyman Geek

08:47

I'm still thinking its a misconfigured proxy

user3201911

on my own laptop, right?

Boris_yo

Is it feasible to purchase SIM card with US number with me being in Israel?

Journeyman Geek

yup

but buuuut the person who'd know the correct settings or what to kick would be your sysadmin ;p

user3201911

cant i just copy it from another pc?

Journeyman Geek

In theory yes

assuming there's settings there.

or they might be able to pull why your PC is failing off the firewall appliance, if you have one.

user3201911

08:49

i have no idea where to look for my proxy settings, is it in the ethernet properties? where u can change the ipv4 add

we have a firewall server

Journeyman Geek

yeaaah

it should be in..

lemme check

erm

'change proxy settings' in windows 10

user3201911

i have windows 10 yes

Journeyman Geek

yeah, it was different in 7 and 8

(and I found this by typing "change proxy settings in the start menu. Universal search is glorious)

user3201911

computer is so slow searching for this -.-

Journeyman Geek

>_>

I have 16gb of ram and an ssd so... ;p

user3201911

08:52

4bg and hhd -.-

manual proxy setup if off

Journeyman Geek

is automatic on? Do you have another system to compare settings?

user3201911

automatically detect setting sis on

Journeyman Geek

hmm, what happens when you turn it off?

user3201911

nothing much

lemme start a mst

nothing helped

maybe u can look thru teamviewer if u want

Journeyman Geek

naw

user3201911

08:57

no problem

i literly cant connect to any system on my own domain

even when i was home i couldnt connect to the terminal server

i tried wifi and cable

i uninstalled drivers

nothing helped

Journeyman Geek

10:01

!!baroo

DavidPostill

10:35

@user3201911 Have you tried netsh winsock reset all?

NaïveSet

Hello, I just wanted to try my luck: Does anyone here happen to have a Lenovo Y50-70 laptop which he uses for CAD applications? (I originally posted this as a question superuser.com/questions/984287/…, but I was referred to this chat.)

Journeyman Geek

Heya.

Not as far as I remember, and no one here really does cad

NaïveSet

Perhaps another SE site?

Journeyman Geek

There's no real 'hardware' specific site

there may be a cad one, but it might still be a chat topic.

NaïveSet

I know, I was just trying to approximate

Journeyman Geek

10:45

specs seem ok, tho lenovo is in a wee bit of the ****list cause of superfish and the other occational dumb things they do.

NaïveSet

cad is still in area51

Journeyman Geek

(and I mostly use thinkpads. not powerful machines, but well built)

not too sure about the lenovo ones

(same company, but standards vary somewhat)

barlop

11:20

does anybody here know of software that can lower vcore of cpu from within windows?

DavidPostill

@barlop cpu.rightmark.org/products/rmclock.shtml maybe? "Basic RMClock version is available free of charge for personal non-commercial use and for non-profit organizations. No registration or activation is required. "

I've never used it but it was the first one Gargle returned.

barlop

thanks i'll give it a try

XKCD

11:43

My MRI research shows a clear correlation between the size of the parietal lobe--the part of the brain that handles spatial reasoning--and enjoyment of 3D DoritosÂ®.

Journeyman Geek

o0

barlop

It seems difficult to find a 3.5" internal SATA SSD on amazon.. Do people tend to get 2.5" ones and a 2.5"-3.5" bay adapter?

Journeyman Geek

12:00

o0

"Difficult" is not the word

it would be impossible

and yes, they would

or already have convertable bays

all Sata SSDs on the consumer market are laptop style 2.5 inch

Journeyman Geek

12:14

Probably NSFW boingboing.net/2015/10/09/unicorn-poop-and-squatty-potti.html since it involves unicorn poop and might cause you to burst out laughing.

user3201911

12:44

@DavidPostill thanks this worked for me!

DavidPostill

@user3201911 Great. I will post as an answer ;)

Oh. I see you did already. Never mind :)

Journeyman Geek

12:58

woof. Two days left of housesitting, and driving the human nuts by demanding walks and food and wierd times.

Journeyman Geek

13:18

pet peeve

People from the indian subcontinent calling their cases 'cabinets'

DavidPostill

13:30

@JourneymanGeek Cases? You mean Suitcases?

Journeyman Geek

13:43

._.

Computer cases ;p

Hennes

14:14

@barlop Aye. No need to make most SSDs bigger than 2.5 inch, and having only one form factor for your drive is an advantage for the manufacturer, for sales points (fewer types of stock) and no disadvantage to the user

Esp. since you can skip the 3.5 to 2.5 bracket with a very light and not-moving disk

DavidPostill

@JourneymanGeek They were cabinets in the old days of mainframes ... ;)

Journeyman Geek

@DavidPostill: Back when policemen wore short pants ._.

@Hennes: to be more precise they're typically also 7mm thick rather than full thickness

Hennes

14:32

Did you try another cable or useing ... oh wait. Already getting the same in a comment.

Darmn fast dogs. :)

Journeyman Geek

lol

I just did something totally mod abusy.

One of the non answers was really a comment to two posts

so I converted it to a comment, edited, undeleted, edited, and converted it to another comment.

@Hennes: annd... its the cable

posted a preliminary answer pending more information ;p

Hennes

MST on DP should be great.

Journeyman Geek

._.

SST or bust!

Hennes

Though I have no direct experience with it yet

Journeyman Geek

(you lose half the refresh rate for MST)

tereško

15:53

Nuclear Fruit: How the Cold War Shaped Video Games

►

allquixotic

o.o

3v0

16:23

is it worth putting win7 on the SSD and copying my data from the HDD

its currently on the HDD

for speed difference

ive had 7 less than a year but it is probably full of bits of crap

left over files and registry data

I wonder if POSREADY 2009 has better hardware support than XP

I guess theres only one way to find out

like for newer hardware

tereško

16:48

@3v0 TBH, I am not sure what you intend to do

3v0

peanut butter

tereško

for better performance you should keep the "installed stuff" on the SSD

while storing documents & media files on the HDD

3v0

I guess but the ssd is 200gb so why not

the hdd is 1TB

it seems a little risky having my docs on a seperate drive but its hard to explain why

tereško

try .. it should be entertaining

3v0

I dont wanna lose my docs

I got likw 2000 scren shots I dont wanna lose, and thousands of songs

tereško

16:51

where does the "separate drive" become important?

3v0

it used to have windows 10 beta (NEVER AGAIN)

and my data, but I copied it to the other drive and just tossed the ssd on the shelf

tereško

do you think that your DOC files will wanish, if they fail to detect MsWord on the same drive?

3v0

then I decided after a few months to wipe it and plug it back in

its just some docs need to be on the same drive as certani apps

and some docs dont have to

tereško

@3v0 please, name one

3v0

aptana studio docs

tereško

16:53

wrong

you can set your workspace location wherever you want (it's in the config)

3v0

no it is true

you can probably change the directory but I dont know how and cba

the workspace folder is in my docs on the HDD right now

tereško

4 mins ago, by 3v0

it seems a little risky having my docs on a seperate drive but its hard to explain why

remember, you are trying to defend this statement

3v0

I am

this backs that up

tereško

how "I don't know how to configure Aptana" has any impact on storage-related risks?

3v0

because the app will give an error when I load it up that it cannot find the workspace folder

tereško

16:57

then point it to the location where workspace is

that's how configuration works

3v0

I would

tereško

ya know what .. I am at the limit of my tolerance

off to the ignore list

allquixotic

17:12

XD

allquixotic

17:35

so quiet today

*drums up some noise*

DragonLord

*meow*

@JourneymanGeek To play devil's advocate here, keep in mind that every last penny counts. The margins for PCs are virtually nonexistent these days.

Feb 19 at 13:19, by DragonLord

The cost pressure is unbelievable on mainstream laptops

The case here is a desktop, but the same applies.

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