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02:10
@JourneymanGeek You broke the 9-hour silence!
Ran into a weird US nickel while going through my coin bank, probably a mint error
Probably double-struck.
Any ideas?
those are worth some serious money, like 6cents even :-)
The landlord just got done processing days of a coin collection, and it was rather depressing , how little money almost 100Year old silver coins were worth. A mint fault coin brings about 25cent to $7 , plus depends on someone thinking it was special.
It was unbelevable to me to see silver coin being sold for not much more than the raised up prices of silver. as if they would be melting down history
I speculated that the vast visability via the web of the quantities and e-bay auctions full of them, and web pages everywhere with them being sold that the percieved Rareness is not as big a factor. Really rare stuff , it is completely the reverse, the coins not found in the massive collection were the ones with most value.
And baby boomer collections going up for estate sale, as a mass of collectors is no longer alive.
02:38
@Bob: So I did. With a ring ring ring banana transparent phone.
03:37
looks like you should look closely with magnification for actual double-die charateristics even a slight offset die punch is worth something.
03:53
if you do not get enough money for it , take it out back hit it with a ball peen hammer on a rock , and double the price ebay.com/itm/141733549870?rmvSB=true :-)
I saw one that pulled $30 and i swear it was put on a soda bottle cap crimping machine.
Wonder what you could do with a shell reloader :-)
Bob
Bob
04:24
> The command processor is an old and cranky program. The command processor yells at Explorer to get off his lawn. The command processor gets upset when his Internet connection flakes out while he's watching Matlock online. The command processor doesn't care about your fancy-pants localized file names; it shows the raw file system names. The command processor has hundreds of thousands of scripts, and there's no way of knowing how many of them depend on the exact way it formats dates.
> You may be able to wheedle the command processor into making some changes for you, but you'd better have a really good reason, and he's going to be really grumpy about it. The command processor was once cajoled into changing its date format to four-digit years back in the late 20th century, and he did it only because everybody insisted that it was soooooooo important. But he was so grumpy about it, he had an option to go back.
04:54
hey guys
anyone on ?
Bob
Bob
nope, definitely not
lol
could you give me a help ?
Bob
Bob
@Freedom with?
hey you almost killed me with this noisy sound lol
i'm having a big headache trying to set up a repeater router . I've tried all the possible settings
Bob
Bob
05:07
ow
models?
not sure if I can help much, though... a lot of WAPs have rather obscure configs
TP-Link WA801ND as the repeater router. TP-LINK WR941ND as the main router
Bob
Bob
@Freedom And this didn't work for you?
That was the first thing i tried.
But i have no internet access if i just do that
Bob
Bob
@Freedom What's the IP of the main router?
And the repeater?
Did you turn off DHCP on the repeater?
What's the ipconfig /all output on the computer (assuming Windows)?
What's the DHCP address range on the main router?
When you say no internet access - you mean you can access the main router, but not outside it?
Sounds like a gateway issue, tbh
My laptop won't even connect to my main router anymore. I think it gets confused with two conflicting networks with same SSID. Main IP router 192.168.1.1, the repeater 192.168.1.2
When i have DHCP disabled on repeater i have DNS problems, but even after manually setting them on my laptop i still have problems
also i can't really access the repeater after I configure it. I have to reset it
you want the output connected to the main router or the repeater?
Bob
Bob
05:15
@Freedom Repeater. Both if possible.
But if you're manually setting DNS, there's something else wrong.
Ideally you should have everything working with DHCP.
@Bob i'll go off a min to do this come back in a few minutes, thanks for your time
yes thats what i want
05:27
@Bob I'm back. See pastebin.com/087xWCGW
Bob
Bob
hm
ok, assuming default tp-link I think their DHCP server is set to hand out 100-199.
main or the repeater? I've set the main router to hand out 10-100
Bob
Bob
ah, good enough
@Freedom how far apart are the two APs?
for some strange reason. I can never make repeaters work :/
Bob
Bob
I'm assuming you've set the subnet mask correctly.
05:35
hmm like 10-15 meters. But i plan to set them about 30 meters via ethernet cable
Bob
Bob
@Freedom Funny thing, that. I've had similar issues :P
Ended up just setting up a wired AP
Higher throughput too
@Freedom ...then why bother with a repeater?
I guess i will just do that. But i wanted a quick way to get a good Wi-Fi signal at the other part of my house
Bob
Bob
@Freedom You might be able to get back into the repeater's config page by manually setting the IP address of your client.
Odd that DHCP isn't being forwarded correctly.
@Bob If i set up a wired AP, will i have problems to connected to devices connect to the second AP? e.g printing via wi-fi, streaming to chromecast
Bob
Bob
@Freedom nup, those should be fine
Just make sure you link up the two via the LAN ports, not the WAN port (since that usually implies NAT)
@Freedom Just to confirm: you're sure both devices are on 192.168.1.x and have a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0?
And you have nothing else connected on the network right now (potentially clashing with .1 or .2)?
05:42
@Bob Well i configure it to be on the same subnet mask, but like you could see for some reason the repeater goes to the 255.255.0.0 subnet mask. Strangely this router only have one port for "Ethernet" it says nothing about being an WAN port or LAN port lol
Going off for a min, to check this again. And i'm sure that i have no other device on my network with .1 or .2 ip address
It may be not relevant but the main router is connected to another modem, that is on bridge mode and another subnet (192.168.0.1)
Bob
Bob
@Freedom Nah, I mean the subnet mask as set in the router config page.
The ipconfig one is different because it's not getting a DHCP response, so it's defaulting to the autoconfig IP
05:57
@Bob Yes on router is set the same subnet mask.
Aah i just give up. Repeaters suck
I won't ask a question because i'll probably be a duplicate
I've done/am doing the wired AP thing
works fine
Breaking 30 meters of wall won't be beautiful :/
Oh, mine uses powerline for the backend
Its a little hard to dial in (and wierd shit happens with line noise) but my setup works fine.
@JourneymanGeek how you did that?
@Freedom: Primary router -> Homeplug AV adaptor -> magic -> homeplug AV adaptor -> AP or other systems
Bob
Bob
06:04
we just have cat6 running between the two
most reliable option
didn't want to drill holes or do trunking ;p
well kinda
its really router -> switch -> homeplug -> magic -> homeplug -> AP
There is any special reason for most routers have such a weak signal?
hm
1) If you live in a populated area, lots of noise.
2) Good APs are rare.
3) Wifi generally sucks for anything serious
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Good clients are rarer.
2 is really true. My ISP give the clients a "free" router+modem which is horrible
06:08
ugh
4) Modem+routers suck
as is most ISP supplied hardware
True. I don't know why they do that. It just damage their business because people will think that their internet sucks
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Not all of them :P
But most do, yes.
@Bob Only us geeks :P
I'm going to test my ISP when my 16 IP cameras arrive. And i want all of them to stream at 3mp@5fps
I live in a dangerous country
I really wanted to have laws such the one in texas where you can build mortal traps in your house and is still legitimate self-defense
06:25
Well a pond is still a pond even if it happens to form a moat, and has sporting fish in it that happen to be piranha.
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"The only snag I can se with the G5 is it’s non-compatibility with Adobe photoshop 7.0 which is vital for shooting Raw files."

@Psycogeek Does guy understand what he is talking about?
Since when digital cameras are compatible with PS?
helpx.adobe.com/creative-suite/kb/… I do not do raw, but you can guarentee that direct import might be a problem for some cameras raw methods, and some versions of photoshop or it's plugs.
I would never observe such things as a limitation, when with raw uncompressed things, there is no loss when having to fix them up with a 3rd party thing, or exporting them to other uncompressed formats.
Bob
Bob
@Freedom By clients I meant 802.11 clients...
Those cameras love to have propriatry things, even if that is a first data chunk with loads of camera data, or (video) a stream even with camera info being written down. Some peoples Opinion of not compatable , may exist still if Just the Camera Info (or some GPS data) or some other less critical item to a good picture was not presented the same.
my sony video camera uses a propritary format that isnt really that different, just bloody incompatable direct. You can use thier supplied software , to export it, and i am sure it is not de-re-coding anything , probably just tearing out a special data stream, possibly rearranging the perception of how the audio streams exist. There is no button in the camera either back before recording it to say "Be Normal" which would only respond with "What is Normal" :-)
 
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07:55
if you have a partition image can you write it to a drive without losing existing partitions?
@Psycogeek Do you consider buying used cameras disadvantage compared to new cameras that include warranty? For used cameras should I always ask how long it has been used and how many times shutter was pressed?
@barlop with acronis when you restore to the partition it replaces all the existing data. If you had a unallocated hole you could toss in in there, after making a partition. If you want to just "move files" then you move files and do not restore a whole partition.
@Boris_yo webcache.googleusercontent.com/… <--- adobe page about cameras and support for raw
@barlop usually no
@JourneymanGeek what psycho says rings true.. I think i've created a partition before and then whacked it over a partition.. maybe but my memory is vague
08:06
@Boris_yo The condition of a used item is not dependant on how may hours are on the meter, but how it ws treated, dropped or if it has any problems. Best used items were bought and hung around in closets (which means they may not have hours on them) But low hours on a device that never worked correct, or was damaged would still exist.
@Psycogeek is that non-deletion of existing partitions, for imaging a partition and writing it into a partition, or just cloning a partition onto a partition?
Bob
Bob
@barlop Depends how you do it.
You have an image of a single partition, excluding partition table etc.?
And you have enough contiguous free space?
If you have a raw image, you can just write (dd) it on top of the free space (after defining that space in the partition table).
But it's a risky operation, if you get the numbers wrong.
...I should probably go home now
i'm not talking dd
I guess an image of a single partition should always exclude partition table, as long as it was made to be of the single partition and not of a whole drive with 1 partition.
So, yes.
A single partition, excluding partition table. And yes if there's enough contiguous space.
I think programs only allow you to write it over without deleting other stuff, when you tell the program to put it over an existing partition
Bob
Bob
I'm saying dd is one tool that can do the job.
yeah I know dd could, potentially
but i'm asking about the other less care bones programs
Bob
Bob
08:15
A partition is nothing more than a starting offset and a size
@barlop unless you specify which program, no one can give you an answer
So if you create a partition of very small size.. but there's enough space on the drive. then the program shouldn't really have a problem whacking a partition 'over' it
it could just use the existing partition to determine the offset you want.
Bob
Bob
Depends how you do it. Most operating systems expose partitions separately.
Your tool could read the raw disk, or it could rely on the OS
usually if the data would not fit on the partition it would warn you of that before starting. changing the parittion table would be a seperate action, even if it was included in a package.
Bob
Bob
There is no universal specification, so asking if it's safe without specifying a tool is meaningless.
yeah I know it's possible in theory, i'm just wondering if all the major players allow it
e.g. acronis, ghost , macrium reflect, clonezilla
acronis- no doubt.. as psychogeek says.
I didn't ask / am not asking if it's safe / not safe. It's safe enough with acronis/ghost/macrium/clonzilla.. I'm just asking if the option exists in all the major programs i.e. those mentioned there.
I suppose it does.
Bob
Bob
08:23
> if you have a partition image can you write it to a drive without losing existing partitions?
That's effectively asking if it's safe to do so.
DD might work.
Amusingly enough
Or partclone
Bob
Bob
There really isn't a set of major programs as such, so until you provided that list there was no simple answer
@Bob and the wording. I call the Files holding the image "the partition image" and those you can move all over the place :-)
Bob
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I already mentioned dd, which is also probably the most "major" (commonly used?) tool for this operation
You can see why it's so hard to answer the general question.
Different people also have different ideas of what's major. What if I said it was safe, but you tried it with some tool I didn't consider, and lost your data?
e.g. I would never consider ghost major now. It's long outdated and discontinued. Does it even support gpt?
I would hope symantec.com/page.jsp?id=ghost ghost got all updates for the new stuff. After the Disaster it created :-) people might still be avoiding it some. Minor issues with it destroying everything when things changed and people used old versions.
08:32
Morning all
Anyone know why this doesn't seem to add anything to my database?: gist.github.com/marcusdoesstuff/51adcf4053af3f4c8b10
Bob
Bob
08:46
@marcus you need to execute the sql statement...
"'cur.execute (INSERT INTO Product (ProductNumber, ProductName, InternalIdentification) VALUES (XYZ, 123, ABC);)' "?
because that seems to do nothing to my database either.
@Bob so have you tried it in any programs other than dd?
e.g. those I mentioned
besides acronis which we know can
macrium reflect. clonezilla <-- specifically those two
writing a partition to a drive, in a new space, without losing data.
@marcusdoesstuff can you get anything executing? like select * from table?
@barlop back at the start, what are you trying to do ? Plop a partition in an unallocated spaces? Replace all the data on a parititon with the stored partition image? Copy all the files from an image into a existing partition leaving the existing data in the partition intact?
@Bob How do I see if that does anything though?
@Bob I mean it runs through with no errors but I can'd see what it has done there.
09:02
@Psycogeek That's strange. I often experience failed loads of images i.e. broken images in different browsers and devices. Clearing cache and flush DNS does not help etc. Today same thing but when I connected laptop to ISP modem, all was okay. So it's wireless router that fails? Do you know why? Does it have to do with its DNS?
09:13
@Boris_yo that is why it is called that, and not WireMore :-) big DNS problems more often, would result in never getting to a page to begin with, or parts of a web page that are not hosted on the same server, script parts and pieces, any frames not on that same server not getting any of it. Partials are usually due to poor connection, slow connection, time-out or corruption (and really corruption shouldn't be happening with any of it)
@Psycogeek To "Plop a partition in an unallocated space". And if it doesn't allow me to do that(for lack of an option), then to create a partition at the destination, and replace it with the one I want.
if it allows that
@Psycogeek Actually I think it's either server problem or external problem outside of ISP...
@Boris_yo what is your wireless type is it 5gig band or 2.4gig band? what is the distance and obstructions between the wireless devices?
@Bob The script certainly reaches the end so perhaps i'm not connecting to my database correctly... i don't know why though.
Tried with LAN, with mobile data and same thing. My Wi-Fi is 2.4GHZ and is 30cm in range
09:26
@Boris_yo but you said connect direct to the modem worked ok? Which assumes it is connected with a wired cable from the modems nic direct to the devices nic with like a Cat something cable , or a dog cable ??
@Boris_yo Then the next step to discover if it is a router doing something goofy, or the actual wireless signal, would be: have the router connected to modem with wire, and use a wire out of the router to the device.
Bob
Bob
@marcusdoesstuff That needs to run before the commit step
@marcusdoesstuff Also, that's not a valid... urk. How about you read the guides? -_-
@marcusdoesstuff Take a look at the inserting example: code.google.com/p/pyodbc/wiki/GettingStarted
You never actually execute the SQL statement. Assigning it to a variable does a whole lot of nothing.
42 mins ago, by marcusdoesstuff
"'cur.execute (INSERT INTO Product (ProductNumber, ProductName, InternalIdentification) VALUES (XYZ, 123, ABC);)' "?
That just declares a string. Again, a whole lot of nothing.
'blah' is a string. "blah" is a string
'function()' is still a string, because it's wrapped in quotes
@barlop I think some of them will create a partition in an unallocated space, but for the most part that it done a LOT when it is a full disk clone, as the partitions will be fully remade replaced . I do not know enough for sure, because I would try and control everything, so IF an image of a partition was going to a place, i would create the partition space first . (if it was not already there)
Bob
Bob
@barlop Dumping a partition image to unallocated space is pretty pointless, unless you intend to scan the entire disk to try to heuristically find it again.
If you want to do it properly, create the appropriate entry in the partition table with the correct size, and dump the partition image in there.
unallocated space should never be used without properly allocating it
unless you mean unformatted space, which is an entirely different matter (allocated partition without a filesystem)
@Psycogeek My modem is not wireless router. Just a modem ISP provided. It seems problem goes outside. Maybe outside country.
@Boris_yo then when your connected direct to the modem and using wire, Do you have the Same problems?
09:43
@Bob when you do stuff manually, what program do you use to edit the partition table entries?
Bob
Bob
@barlop Manually? oh god no...
You could probably chuck a hex editor at it, but... noooooooope I'm staying far away from that
hence I asked you
what program you use
Bob
Bob
If you just mean command line, fdisk can do it. so can parted (or gparted)
ok so you do it that way.
Bob
Bob
If you mean in Windows, then diskpart
09:45
disk edit ? just how manual are we talking here :-)
Bob
Bob
Or you can create the partition entries in any graphical editor.
Some image writing/cloning tools can do all that automatically if you prefer.
@Psycogeek butterflies :P
And you make sure that the "partition" you create is exactly the same size in bytes? or just MB?
@Psycogeek Yes. Tried mobile data on smartphone and same thing.
Bob
Bob
@barlop Bytes. It must not be smaller.
It should be equal.
It can be bigger, but you're just wasting space.
If it's smaller, then you need to perform a filesystem-specific resize on the image first.
@Boris_yo ohh one thing at a time :-) mobile data does not go through the same stuff at all. Is your mobile internet connection provided by the same people who do your home internet connection?
Bob
Bob
09:48
@barlop More specifically, I think MBR and GPT define partition sizes in logical sectors (512B), but I'm not sure. Most partitioning tools will take care of that anyway if you give them bytes.
But, seriously, are you asking this out of curiosity, or are you actually planning to do something?
Because there's probably an easier way if you wanted to do something like this.
Normally, you use whatever tool you took the image with to perform the restore.
@Psycogeek Yes
@Boris_yo then they are part of the communist regime and they are trying to block everything you do. And you do not even live in china :-)
I have a test image here, let me get it
If you Only see the kitty :-) then you have fleshblocker 4500 on .
@barlop usually the partition that i plop an image of a partition into is larger. Usually i only use the image method for the operating system part, because Sync methods and file copy methods with compares i find are better for regular data backups.
10:14
@Psycogeek :D
Have you seen Boner here lately?
@Boris_yo if you dont see the kitty at all, take it up with your psychiatrist :-)
@Bob Sorry, there's a hell of a lot of stuff for me to take in. It's not helping that there are multiple languages here too. :P I'm working more on trial and error than anything else. Thanks for keeping on prodding me in the right direction, despite how simple some of my errors are.
Bob
Bob
@marcusdoesstuff Just follow that starter guide. It's pretty straightforward.
doing so at the moment :)
11:13
@Bob Things are beginning to click slowly.
@marcusdoesstuff As long as it's not the drives that are slowly clicking, that sounds encouraging :P
@Psycogeek The 1955 cent you showed is a special case and a well-known error coin.
I doubt the coin I have is that valuable, but it might still fetch several dollars at auction.
Mint errors in a modern coin are not all that common.
11:28
@Bob https://gist.github.com/marcusdoesstuff/9df5aabd00382481706d
I think this looks a little better. I'm just stuck on how to read the values from your script and feed them in as values in the INSERT INTO.
Been reading your code, trying to make some sense of it. :P
Turnaround question of the week superuser.com/questions/954655/… what looked like a pure troll question, is given a complete answer.
@Psycogeek "page not found" for me
@marcusdoesstuff it is now gone
short-lived success there then
11:43
thats ok, the Wright brothers first glider only made it about 100 feet too :-)
Bob
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@marcusdoesstuff Look up Python dictionaries and arrays.
thanks @bob
Bob
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@marcusdoesstuff You can do a print repr(data) to look at its structure.
[] denotes an array, elements separated by ,
you can loop through it with for item in array:, e.g. for item in data['Physical hazards']:
@Psycogeek that answer should not be deleted!
It is a criminal offense to delete a post of dbenham!
Bob
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{} denotes a dictionary
11:53
he is the jon whatsisname of batch files
the jon skeet of batch files, in knowledge.
Bob
Bob
Dictionaries are structured like { key: value, key: value }
where you can access values with dictionary[key], where key is a string
data is a dictionary of arrays
for multiline matches, you should loop through the array of all values
for singleline matches, you should access just the first array element like data['Product name'][0]
alternatively, you can change the script to only store a single value for single line matches, rather than storing them in an array
I only did that because I didn't know if they could appear more than once
@marcusdoesstuff ^
I was trying to bring up a dictionary list earlier but couldn't figure it out... so i was close, heh. I just had a few things wrong. I'll give this a go thanks.
a dictionary of arrays.. how about a dictionary of dictionaries!
Bob
Bob
Also possible but not used here :P
@marcusdoesstuff Yea, more accurately in Python the structure I'm using ([]) is called a list.
Sorry, been doing JS recently...
brb lunch
12:12
Just examined the coin again. It's probably a tilted partial collar strike.
Basically, the coin planchet wasn't properly seated in the striking collar and it got struck slightly off-center and at a slight angle.
In any case, this is obviously a mint error and has more than face value. Probably not much more, but I'll hold onto it.
12:34
Is it just me or is downloading anything off microsoft's server bloody slow
Google's servers are blazing fast, chrome download completes in a matter of seconds
Bob
Bob
Just you..?
Downloads from MS are pretty fast for me.
Maybe your location.
12:51
> Last backup: 1 December 2014.
Lies, damned lies and slander; I am totally on top of my backups.
And not in the least hypocritical when I tell other people to be on top of theirs
Bob
Bob
lol
@bertieb I do that a lot, while being mildly hypocritical :P
(my last full-system image was back in Feb, though I do have daily incremental of the important stuff)
@Bob That's something at least!
After my move my backups have been infrequent rare will happen at some point
(I can markdown)
Bob
Bob
lol
My intention (paving the way to hell) is to automate Clonezilla-ing for imaging; and redo the incremental backup I had in place
Bob
Bob
I have most of the parts for my Win10 upgrade
just gotta take the time to do it. and wait for the big bugfix patches.
12:58
@Bob Amen to bugfix patches
Bob
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@bertieb you upgraded yet?
back in a bit
@Bob Nope; I'm a bit reticent when it comes to these things :)
Plus educational license dealie
13:48
hi :)
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