Root Access

Michael Frank

02:03

Chatty bunch today, eh?

Journeyman Geek

lol

Just got into work ;)

Michael Frank

Even so, this is probably the quietest it's been all year!

Journeyman Geek

lol

We seem to have periods of quiet

People getting busy ;p

I spent a good part of the weekend helping out my mom and dad with stuff, and mucking around with the new display

Michael Frank

I spent all of Saturday in the garden.

My back and shoulders are killing me today.

Journeyman Geek

I gamed a bit (playing the dishonored dlc, and taking my time. Its one of those games I just don't feel right playing agressively)

pity there's no non lethal takedown from above.

Bob

02:30

@JourneymanGeek ^ can no-one read? -_-

Journeyman Geek

No

;p

!!no

Bob

This is a different store!

Why does everyone transcribe the whiteness incorrectly?!

Ok, that's 8 reams ordered. Now I just need to find a way to get them home :P

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Yea... I tried a ghost run. Then about an hour in I accidentally a guard then went Rambo.

Journeyman Geek

Easiest mission to ghost run in the original game is the one at the party

especially if you get the one with the stalker.

Bob

@MichaelFrank Ah, yea... you need to avoid accidentallying guards.

Michael Frank

02:34

Journeyman Geek

The worst is when I drop on em by accident while blinking

Bob

The two conversation streams are meshing in weird ways :P

(don't drop the bricks!)

Journeyman Geek

DON'T BLINK

Bob

hm... I think I passed

one more semester to go

and the dreaded management & ethics course

Journeyman Geek

yay!

management... and ethics. Oxymoron? ;p

Bob

02:36

lol

handbook.unsw.edu.au/undergraduate/courses/2015/COMP4920.html

Michael Frank

@Bob That should be "management || ethics" instead.

Bob

> morality of breaking the law

O_O

Journeyman Geek

(I did my degree at an aussie uni. Management major too)

Bob

'tis a required course for compsci

Journeyman Geek

I suddenly approve of this.

@Bob: how about plagiarised notes about ethics and plagiarism?

Bob

02:40

> The software project is a major component of the course and should take 40-50 hours per person for planning and execution.

ow

Bob

04:27

!!tumbleweed

@allquixotic Cavil needs a kick

XKCD

04:46

The Lord of the Rings sequel, set years after the Ring hubbub has died down, is just Samwise discreetly creeping back to Bag End to finish dropping the eaves.

Journeyman Geek

yay

Roomie's tick fever test came in

He's negative for the really bad strain, so we just need to keep/finish the current course of antibiotics

Bob

05:18

holy fucking shit illustrator is fucking ridiculous

I've spent 20 mins trying to get a fucking black fill on a fucking rectangle

(as you may have noticed, I'm currently rather annoyed)

OH GREAT IT'S IN OUTLINE MODE

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek Hope your dog (your persona 😛) is fine

superuser.com/questions/939766/…, superuser.com/questions/939767/…

Two spam questions got through in a row

DragonLord

05:39

They're gone.

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: doing significantly better

no cheese for a month tho ;p

Bob

Satoru Iwata (Nintendo CEO) passed away :(

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek Erroneous flag on superuser.com/a/939740, please disregard

Psycogeek

05:55

"Our systems have detected unusual traffic from your computer network." Google robot check, WHaaa , just becase i searched for something 2 million other people didnt. Argg, now i forgot what my next search was going to be.

I am not the damnable robot You are !

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: Its really good news. The strain we were worried about is often lethal. Ash lost something like 1/8th his body weight in a few weeks so... yeah

we got a really good vet (luckily) who's been personally following up on him

DragonLord

superuser.com/questions/178720/…, superuser.com/questions/178720/…: Spam from established user.

Sorry, but I've determined that this answer is spam. The linked page and the page at the URL in your profile are copyrighted to the same person. More information: How to not be a spammer — DragonLord 1 min ago

Does he deserve the -100 reputation penalty?

Found this going through the 10k new answers to old questions list. The "enter link description here" placeholder text was suspicious and triggered further investigation.

@JourneymanGeek: what is the best way to handle this situation? Both answers have been flagged as spam.

Journeyman Geek

06:19

@DragonLord: that seems wierd

deleted both answers

I (or another mod) or a CM prolly will need to take a look

DragonLord

A suspension may be the right answer.

Journeyman Geek

Oh, is it him?

DragonLord

I checked the Internet Archive Wayback Machine and found that the profile URL is the same as before, which indicates a compromise is unlikely.

I did suspect an account compromise.

Journeyman Geek

I'd rather toss him a warning

DragonLord

web.archive.org/web/20130721035438/http://superuser.com/users/…

Journeyman Geek

06:23

which I've done

(I donno. One does not always have to use the ~~rolled up newspaper~~, big stick)

DragonLord

I was thinking 2-day suspension

Journeyman Geek

If i'm going to throw someone a suspension, might as well do it for a week.

DragonLord

I might be a bit too zealous fighting spam.

I suppose this will change as I gain more experience.

Four years on the site, nearly 2000 flags, and I still don't feel like I can use the tools correctly. 😔

Journeyman Geek

If its a Real Person, the idea is to try to steer them in the right direction first

mercilessness is for bots ;)

Psycogeek

especially for participating humans, vrses drive by ones

Journeyman Geek

06:26

yup

The fact that he's a user with some history here, and its his site, means I'd rather tell him where he's going wrong.

DragonLord

The reason I discuss this is a matter of readiness. There are so many little subtleties in moderation I still don't get.

If I'm to be elected as a ♦moderator, I'd better learn to use the tools correctly before the next election.

Journeyman Geek

Well. a lot of stuff is handled in community

and well

DragonLord

I'm afraid that by the time I get the diamond, I'm going to be doing it wrong.

Journeyman Geek

suspensions are actually pretty rare

DragonLord

Getting ♦mod experience without being an actual ♦mod. 😃

Journeyman Geek

06:29

suspentions are for 1) people worth the energy suspending 2)is an actual user 3) hasn't suspended himself

and quite a lot of stuff is handled before it even reaches us

say auto-suspensions and a good chunk of flags

DragonLord

3 mins ago, by DragonLord

I'm afraid that by the time I get the diamond, I'm going to be doing it wrong.

This matters a lot to me.

I don't want to be elected, then get stripped of the diamond because I'm being too heavy-handed.

Psycogeek

Suspentions are for arguing with mods :-)

Journeyman Geek

which has happened

DragonLord

That's why I'm constantly discussing the right way to handle these situations now.

Journeyman Geek

but here's the thing. I never thought about all this when I became a mod

(hell, I was on vacation most of the elections ;))

DragonLord

06:35

Even though I try to be nice, my personality is very intense otherwise and it shows here.

I've been working to change that for many years.

I think the way I handle problem content is overzealous.

Laying down the banhammer immediately does not make sense on a user with an established record of positive contributions who suddenly begins posting spam.

Psycogeek

@DragonLord that only happens after the 2nd tripple mocca chino with super caffiene blaster foam on top :-)

DragonLord

No, I didn't go to Starbucks today and I didn't drink an unusual amount of coffee today.

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: If it had been a compromised account, I'd have referred it to a CM

Psycogeek

@DragonLord So where are the pics you take with your camera?

DragonLord

@Psycogeek huh?

Psycogeek

06:42

I say post one of your well done camera pictures.

DragonLord

I don't post a lot of my images, but you might want to see my Flickr photostream

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: That's why I try not to mod at work, especially when its something ambigious like this ;p

If its spam, I just whack it with a spam flag, destroy the user and move on

Psycogeek

@DragonLord you got a dog? or a duck :-)

DragonLord

@Psycogeek No, I don't presently have a pet.

...and it's a wolf at the zoo, not a dog.

Psycogeek

Oh i see it says that (turned on scripts)

Where do you visit to get your OC data? from reading sites or visiting some OC forums?

DragonLord

06:49

@Psycogeek Reading user reports, reviews, forums

Journeyman Geek

@barlop: superuser.com/a/168241/10165 check the date on that answer. That had me seriously confused ;p

I use GOW nowadays anyway

Psycogeek

I used to hang out at 2CPU, when i had two physical AMD things. then went to overclockers.com/forums , then overclock.net which is huge loads of people of all variety.

DragonLord

overclock.net requires transfer of copyright and attempts to impose fines on users copying content off their site

I think this is a bit excessive

Journeyman Geek

hmm

I'm wondering if I can pick up one of these and use it just to switch keyboard and mouse dx.com/p/…

(its VGA only but meh. I'd rather use synergy but I'm having some issues with it)

Psycogeek

@DragonLord I tend towards the forums as that is the real people with real experiences, vrses reviews and stuff which can (at least be) people getting stuff for free, AKA being lobbied :-)

Journeyman Geek

06:59

ahh

superuser.com/questions/770671/… (for reference)

same issue

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek synergy sounded awesom. but so to did AHK which every freaking time had some minor issue too. So what are synergies minor issues?

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: mouse goes missing when I try to switch from the 4K display

So I need 2 keyboards and mice rather than sharing one between systems

Psycogeek

If i had issues like those, and solutions like that, i would uninstall and forget to re-install it :-)

ahh, i only keep stuff that isnt more problems than its original value :-0

Journeyman Geek

Needing to switch between keyboards is a pain, and it makes sense for me to run dual boxen with different OSes with my home workflow ;p

Psycogeek

I even outright abandon some things that are totally cool, but Meh , when you finish it , i will be back. but do they ever finish , NO!

Journeyman Geek

07:10

Well it comes down to "does the potential gain outweigh the annoyance?"

and looking at options/alternatives in terms of time and money cost

Psycogeek

That's the one

Journeyman Geek

so getting a cheap KVM could be an option, but if I can do something similar in software it would be ace

heck, could slave it to a macro key

Psycogeek

Or as Dear Abby would say " are you better off with him, or without him " :-)

And what about the effects of a KVM, the computer and the monitors reaction to having the connections pulled?

(the input devices usually dont mind much)

Journeyman Geek

oh, just need it for a keyboard and mouse

Each computer has its own screen (and I'm fine with that)

Psycogeek

oh then you just need a KM :-)

Journeyman Geek

07:14

I think I linked a picture of my current setup the other day?

yeah, if there's such a beast, and cheap

I just need a USB switcher ;p

funny thing is, higher end dells supposedly do that.

Psycogeek

I used an AirMouse for a while to the other puter. I would think any wireless could be side by sided too, mice is easy.

Journeyman Geek

well, I'd like to use my wired stuff. The wireless gear is specifically meant as a spare ;p

Psycogeek

eventually i realised i cant really keep 2 computers quad CPUs at 100%, unless i did some really redundandt (booring) stuff. like had one search for aliens, or alien coin

That also included Using one for the downloads, at the point where download speed was faster than my organisation rate.

Bob

O_O

6 GB of DDR2? reddit.com/r/hardwareswapaustralia/comments/3d3a8g/…

Psycogeek

but would probably never include a server.

Bob

07:23

@JourneymanGeek wait what happened

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: ash was sick for a few weeks. I mentioned it here ;p

Bob

@DragonLord he edited in the disclaimer 4 mins ago

Journeyman Geek

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=tick+fever&room=118

DragonLord

Undelete? Gotta get to bed, good night.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: 4 sticks 2 + 2 + 1 + 1

Bob

07:24

@DragonLord Better to warn/suggest improvements first whenever possible.

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: I suggested he improve and flag for reopening

Bob

Remember we're trying to help.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: my big concern was an account compromise

Bob

Downvoting/deleting non-obvious "spam" doesn't help much.

DragonLord

1 hour ago, by Journeyman Geek

(I donno. One does not always have to use the ~~rolled up newspaper~~, big stick)

1 hour ago, by DragonLord

Four years on the site, nearly 2000 flags, and I still don't feel like I can use the tools correctly. 😔

Bob

07:25

Assume the best of people (e.g. ignorance and not intentionally skirting rules) whenever possible and you'll probably be happier :)

DragonLord

57 mins ago, by DragonLord

I'm afraid that by the time I get the diamond, I'm going to be doing it wrong.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek o.O I don't remember seeing anything...

DragonLord

@Bob Please pin this.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I mentioned it in passing a few times

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I'm surprised any DDR2-era machine supported that much

Journeyman Geek

07:27

didn't want to drama, even if Ash is a bit of a root access mascot.

DragonLord

48 mins ago, by DragonLord

Laying down the banhammer immediately does not make sense on a user with an established record of positive contributions who suddenly begins posting spam.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: Well, I don't think mine does 2gb sticks, but they do exist

DragonLord

I'll see what I can do here.

Journeyman Geek

course, mine's an older, lower end model

Bob

@DragonLord Even a brand new user who isn't full-out bullshit-spamming might be teachable, though in that case it might not be worth it.

DragonLord

07:28

I'll learn to assume good faith as things progress.

Bob

I'm pretty sure we've converted a few product-promoters to helpful members :P

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: lawing down the banhammer on anything short of incorrigble spammers isn't done.

Bob

@DragonLord That's why I don't like how the spam flags instantly downvote.

Better to apply the auto-downvote when enough people agree.

DragonLord

The path to becoming a mod is far longer than I ever thought it was. My personality is all wrong and I must change that now.

Bob

Otherwise a single flagger can ruin someone's day.

Journeyman Geek

07:28

@Bob: basically roomie was a bit worn out seeming when he came back from the pet hotel from when my parents were away cause my grandma died.

DragonLord

I'm just not qualified to be a mod.

Journeyman Geek

then started shaking and not eating properly

Psycogeek

I was actually expecting some "smarter" spammers to eventually exist , gain rep first in an attempt to beat the system.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: requires actual effort

Bob

@DragonLord You don't necessarily need to change your personality.

Journeyman Geek

07:29

the whole economics of spamming is on it being cheap

Bob

But SE isn't really a place for totalitarian mods.

DragonLord

in Ask a Super User Moderator, Mar 20 at 23:53, by DragonLord

You have much more experience than I do. I don't quite think I'm qualified to get the diamond :\

Bob

Mods are not expected to lay down the law (usually).

It's (supposedly) mostly community-run.

Journeyman Geek

A Theory of Moderation

Jeff Atwood on May 18, 2009

We believe deeply in community moderation. That's why we appoint Pro Tempore Moderators and, ideally, democratically elected community moderators for every site in our network. But what do community moderators do? The short answer is, as little as possible!

At te end of the day, mods handle stuff that the system dosen't know what to do with

Bob

And what about all the people who won't be able to join the community because they're terrible at making helpful and constructive co-- ... oh.

Journeyman Geek

07:30

yanno the flag you said was invalid? Handled in the queue before I got to it.

DragonLord

I've been doing this wrong for the last several months.

Mar 30 at 7:22, by DragonLord

Does a moderator who goes through hundreds of review items a day risk getting his/her diamond revoked for abuse of power?

Mar 30 at 7:18, by DragonLord

in Ask a Super User Moderator, Jan 14 at 23:14, by DragonLord

The first few days after I had suddenly stopped, I noticed the size of the review queues jumped over 1000 for the first time in several days.

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: happened to a SF mod

DragonLord

Mar 30 at 7:25, by DragonLord

I'm worried that my recent conduct and attitude can ultimately lead me to commit this sort of abuse if and when I get the diamond.

I'm well aware of this.

Bob

I remember @JourneymanGeek complained a few times about the forced-binding-close-vote :P

Journeyman Geek

Yup

DragonLord

07:33

Mar 30 at 7:28, by DragonLord

I'm worried about seeing myself that by the time I'm elected, I start trying to clear the entire close votes review queue, instead of leaving most of the work to the community as was intended by the designers of Stack Exchange.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That edit wasn't really necessary :P

@JourneymanGeek Ouch...

At least he's better now :)

Journeyman Geek

yeah

No cheese for a month tho

Psycogeek

@DragonLord not to worry if you piss off everyone, they wont elect you :-)

Journeyman Geek

that's annoying ;p

Bob

...I fail to see how cheese has anything to do with it :S

DragonLord

07:35

Mar 30 at 7:12, by DragonLord

I will stick with my core value of delivering the highest quality contributions, and will stop abusing the tools like I have been these past few months. It really makes me look like a power-monger (even if this isn't my goal).

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: the antibiotics commonly given to dogs do not react well with dairy

Bob

@DragonLord Different mods do different things, though.

DragonLord

It's still an ongoing issue, hence all the old chat messages.

Bob

I always thought SE policy was for more hands-off moderation. But some mods don't do that.

Sometimes, that works.

Sometimes, that's necessary.

Especially on the smaller sites.

Journeyman Geek

depends on volume and kinds of issues

DragonLord

07:36

Seeing this is what makes me fearful of this issue:

Mar 30 at 7:13, by DragonLord

I think my conduct is growing increasingly evil as a result of my pursuit of the diamond.

I keep forgetting the role of moderators as "human exception handlers", and I fear I might commit abuse as a mod.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: and for tick fever, even the lesser sort he has, its a 3 week course.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Weird...

I should probably review more, actually...

But at this point I'm mostly dropping in on SU now-and-then and not spending much of my mostly-nonexistent spare time browsing it :P

Journeyman Geek

nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a682098.html

DragonLord

That's why I panic like this every time I make a mistake of this sort during routine moderation tasks.

Heavy-handed moderation.

Bob

> tetracycline

any of a large group of antibiotics with a molecular structure containing four rings.

hm.

DragonLord

07:38

Just plain wrong and not how Stack Exchange is supposed to work.

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: That's why metamoderation is never unilatral

DragonLord

I suspect I may need a break.

Journeyman Geek

and we'd rather play it safe sometimes

Bob

@DragonLord Don't stress too much over it.

Everyone makes mistakes, and whether this is even a mistake is somewhat subjective.

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: Other than account destruction, most actions on SE are reversible.

Bob

07:40

@JourneymanGeek On the other hand, remember you're dealing with real people.

And real people don't take downvotes/suspensions out of the blue all that well.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: yup. That's why we can't automate everything. ;p

Bob

That is not reversible.

You can reverse the actions, but you might leave the person on the other end rather unhappy.

Journeyman Geek

Yeah

Which is why one can never moderate in haste, and soft skills are super important

DragonLord

@JourneymanGeek What do I need to learn in this regard?

Journeyman Geek

@DragonLord: soft skills by nature are hard to define

DragonLord

07:46

Soft skills have been a huge weakness of mine for many, many years

Journeyman Geek

Funny thing is? My offline social skills are crap

Bob

^

:P

Journeyman Geek

My online social skills are good ;p

(well, more arkward than brash. Unless I'm talking about computers ;))

DragonLord

Let me cut to the chase: I am autistic and have been fighting these issues for a very long time.

My social skills aren't great.

Journeyman Geek

I've got social anxiety. it isn't crippling but its a pain in the ass.

DragonLord

07:49

I can generally function in everyday interactions but things can break down quickly under certain circumstances.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Seems to be a common theme with tech-y people :P

Put me face to face with someone, heck, even over the phone and I have no idea what to do.

Journeyman Geek

lol

yup

Bob

...honestly, I spend far too much time thinking of what to write too, when it's about personal issues.

Something technical, though? I could (accidentally!) write an entire essay.

(and have done so several times in this chat...)

Journeyman Geek

lol

That's why I stopped blogging ;p

I mean personal blogging. I need to do a product review for my blog again ;p

Bob

Hmm... Amazon is taking a while

@JourneymanGeek I still need to get a blog started, but that's so far down my list of things to do right now...

Need to get the damn server up first.

Journeyman Geek

07:53

lol

Mine's up on the new server

(tho moving ttrss/wallabag/znc over's been delayed cause lazy)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek My server is up and running happily with ZFS, but I need a good virt solution.

I really want to use lxd but that's (a) not really supported on Debian and (b) rather experimental

linux-vserver is too much manual work... I don't want to recompile the kernel manually on every update!

OpenVZ... bleh.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I'm using KVM since I run it at home and can use the same console.

Bob

I'll be using KVM for Windows, but I don't really want to use it for Linux guests.

djsmiley2k

Hey yall

Journeyman Geek

less efficient, I guess

Bob

07:55

Hm... how long should I wait for Amazon to ship out before contacting them to ask?

Usually it's within 24hrs.

@djsmiley2k hey

Journeyman Geek

but meh, I have processor power to spare

djsmiley2k

So glad I'm working from home today

Daughter kept me up though the night D:

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Definitely, but it still seems iffy to run another kernel.

Not to mention it takes far longer to spin up a new VM

@djsmiley2k ...high?

djsmiley2k

errr

Bob

@djsmiley2k Don't fall asleep :P

djsmiley2k

07:57

@Bob why not? :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: well, I'm not going to be spinning up VMs that often ;p

at home, sure

Bob

It'll probably make @allquixotic sad, but I wonder about running Ubuntu in a VM and running lxd on top of that for the quick experimental VMs :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

Would be a good way to get familiar with setup

Bob

That's probably the way I'll go.

Journeyman Geek

I do this (or spin stuff up on a spare system)

Bob

08:04

Then I'll know what to do with lxd when it finally supports Debian.

I mostly want lxd for the ease of spinning up containers, not for any savings on overhead.

I can live with a 1% VM overhead. Heck, I can live with a 5-10% overhead - I've got a rather powerful Xeon CPU there, and basically nothing intensive running.

Ok, todo: learn kvm

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I just use virt manager to manage it

Bob

Didn't @allquixotic have that nice web interface?

Journeyman Geek

(which is why I've been running fedora as a base OS)

Bob

Though, for security I probably want to keep it locked behind SSH.

@JourneymanGeek Why does that require Fedora? o.O

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: oh, they have more recent packages

and some stuff as a result is simpler.

Bob

08:15

@JourneymanGeek :\

Debian might come back to bite me in the arse.

Though, Jessie is fairly recent.

And I can always use backports.

Journeyman Geek

yeah

Specific features that I wanted was KVM working reliably with bridgeing

(that's worked since F19)

wiki.debian.org/KVM

dosen't look too bad ;p

I use virt manager for management

Bob

The only one I actually know is ESXi

well, running on a server

used VBox and VMware Workstation on desktops/laptops

Journeyman Geek

Well, I got mine set up pretty easily

Oliver Salzburg

In the context of SNMP, when an interface utilization is measured in "octets" what does that mean? Bytes?

Journeyman Geek

kinda?

Octet (computing)

An octet is a unit of digital information in computing and telecommunications that consists of eight bits. The term is often used when the term byte might be ambiguous, as historically there was no standard definition for the size of the byte. == Overview == The unit byte is platform-dependent and has represented various storage sizes in the history of computing. However, due to the influence of several major computer architectures and product lines, the byte became overwhelmingly associated with 8 bits. This meaning of byte is codified in such standards as ISO/IEC 80000-13. While to most people...

Oliver Salzburg

08:27

I guess so, but then why aren't they just calling them bytes?

Journeyman Geek

Seems pedantic

Oliver Salzburg

Ah, smart move ;D

Bob

@OliverSalzburg Because a byte is not necessarily 8 bits.

Oliver Salzburg

Ah, sweet, thanks guys :)

deostroll

what does roaming profile mean in a windows pc?

Oliver Salzburg

08:29

@deostroll The roaming profile can roam (move) between workstations

Journeyman Geek

You're on an AD and your profile is stored centrally.

deostroll

does it also mean on a single workstation multiple people logging in?

Journeyman Geek

nope

WIndows calls that concurrent sessions

deostroll

in the context of windows application development - what is its significance...roaming profiles?

some example would suffice

Bob

yay, got my results... nothing failed :P

Journeyman Geek

08:41

yay!

Bob

@deostroll If you save something in the roaming profile, they can access it from every computer they log in on.

That includes settings.

%AppData% is roaming by default.

User-specific settings should go there.

@JourneymanGeek They came early... were due 9am tomorrow :S

Journeyman Geek

ahh

did the servers accidentally get DDOSed?

(happens in india. The results sites wierdly work fine from outside so my cousin called us up and asked us to check her results XD)

Psycogeek

09:16

Capcha makers can't go to hell, because they came from there.

. . . and nobody there will allow them back.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek nah

marks were scheduled for 9am tomorrow by email, 6pm tomorrow by website

the enrolment site did get DDoSed two years ago, but they improved it :P

Journeyman Geek

09:58

ahh

emailing people is sensible

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