Root Access

allquixotic

00:00

I have a ridiculous amount of persistence, but my patience is running thin -- I'm probably going to see about an lx container or, worst, a KVM guest of Linux for Cavil at this point

too many platform dependencies in Qt that aren't patched to work with non-Linux

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic will do, as soon as I work out how that works XD

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek ssh-keygen or use putty then mail me the pubkey

That Brazilian Guy

/me upboats @JourneymanCult for his Poe quotation

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: sent

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek ssh [email protected]

make sure to load your key into Pageant if you're on 'doze

DemCodeLines

00:10

what's the most popular linux server shell application out there?

That Brazilian Guy

ssh ?

Journeyman Geek

Ok, I'm in ;p

(damn, I completely can't spell tiyukquellmalz)

Took me 4 attempts typing it in, then I chickened out and ~~hid under the bed~~ copy pasted it

0_0

@allquixotic: you preinstalled lighttpd et al?

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek nginx, OpenSSH, nano, vim, emacs

oh and php5.5

Journeyman Geek

ahh

2

allquixotic

pkgin instead of apt-get

Journeyman Geek

00:14

excellent, then all I need is postgres and to work out how to configure ngnix

yeah, I worked out that much.

allquixotic

if you get stumped you can always install apache or lighttpd

Journeyman Geek

naw, this says lighttpd is installed

OH

nvm

I realised it was TELLING me what the symbols in the package manager meant

allquixotic

hehe

Journeyman Geek

00:34

0_0

its telling me to add stuff to a file than dosen't exist

allquixotic

?

Journeyman Geek

pastebin.com/pVE3RgCV

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek OH. ignore the NetBSD message

Journeyman Geek

ahh

allquixotic

svcadm enable svc:/pkgsrc/postgresql:default should turn it on

if not, check svcs -a | grep postgre

Journeyman Geek

00:45

Its running. running the postgres command says it can't find the config file

allquixotic

if it says maintenance, peek in `/var/svc/log/pkgsrc:postgre blah blah

hm

come on gateone so we can share a terminal :P

Journeyman Geek

(googling now. For some reason, google thinks smartos and solaris are the same thing)

Sure ;p

where?

allquixotic

tiyukquellmalz.org/gateone

let me know once you're logged in and I'll share the terminal session

(I added my pubkey so I'm already logged in as root)

Journeyman Geek

hmm. I use puppy for host, no?

allquixotic

don't even think about that

just wait until you get the pop-up about sharing, or until you see the magnifying glass

on the right hand side

you don't have to login since I already made a shell for us

Journeyman Geek

00:51

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allquixotic

gonna leave the session up in case any other things to work on. but you can use putty/kitty/whatever for your hacking as long as things are going smoothly

heh. you like GateOne yet? :P

Journeyman Geek

yeah

... I realised what went wrong

allquixotic

everyone i've shown it loves it

Journeyman Geek

I used the*postgres* command and mispelled pgsql

allquixotic

hehe

the postgres command tries to invoke the daemon :P

Journeyman Geek

00:55

Going to do the hacky bits in putty (not cause I don't trust you ;p)

allquixotic

svcadm invokes the daemon for you

Journeyman Geek

Its more responsive ;p

allquixotic

OK, but just FYI, your session is persistent with a timeout of 5 days on GateOne, so it's almost like screen without screen, in case you get disconnected, your session isn't gone

Journeyman Geek

ahh

allquixotic

GateOne itself is running on my own "personal stuff" instance of SmartOS on the same box. but not on the physical / root node

Journeyman Geek

00:56

(also, even I don't klnow these passwords. I generate them with hotbits)

allquixotic

I won't be poking your VM unless I explicitly need to fix something you're stuck on

Journeyman Geek

XD

allquixotic

or in the case of configuration updates necessitated by a host upgrade, or something like that

Journeyman Geek

no worries on that, Its not running uber sensitive stuff anyway

(and if you need a ttrss instance just use that one ;p)

allquixotic

it's to the point now where OpenSSH (instead of Solaris's SSH daemon) will start automatically on boot, and the Solaris SSH daemon is disabled (it is frankly just worse than OpenSSH)

OpenSSH is also the only SSH implementation that works with GateOne, so if you wanted to spin up an instance of that separately on your side, you'd need OpenSSH, which you have :P

Journeyman Geek

01:02

Where's the directory for the webserver?

Michael Frank

\\7\

Journeyman Geek

0_0

/opt/local?

allquixotic

/opt/local is the prefix for GNUserland (NetBSD's builds of GNU packages)

Journeyman Geek

ahh

allquixotic

/usr is the prefix for read-only Solaris core utilities

Journeyman Geek

01:04

That kinda makes sense

allquixotic

anything you expect to find in /usr except for the system binary linker ld and a few other things like that are almost definitely under /opt/local instead.

confusingly, there are a few things which exist in both /usr/somewhere (e.g. /usr/bin, or even /bin) which also exist in /opt/local/bin -- in this case, almost without fail you want to use the /opt/local version, because it's going to be more "GNU-ey", and will work as you would expect on, say, Ubuntu or Fedora

Journeyman Geek

ahh

allquixotic

basically, /usr, /bin and /sbin are core utilities very close to the kernel and very "Sun/Oracley" in their origin (and command syntax, and functionality). /opt/local is extremely close to Debian, and practically identical to NetBSD.

ANYTHING installed with pkgin goes in /opt/local.

don't assume that you understand the input or output of anything from /usr, /bin or /sbin -- usually requires a manpage read or a --help to get a feel for just how different it is from Linux's typical utilities

stuff in /opt/local you probably already understand

Journeyman Geek

to an extent ;p

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allquixotic

also, pkgin se is your friend -- follow it by a search term to search the package repo for stuff

pkgin se postgre

Journeyman Geek

01:09

yeah, I noticed ;p

HackToHell

allquixotic

@HackToHell haha

Journeyman Geek

0_0

@allquixotic: quicky very silly question - where's the web root?

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek for nginx? it's wherever /opt/local/etc/nginx/nginx.conf says it is, which defaults to /opt/local/share/examples/nginx/html or something

you can change it obv.

Journeyman Geek

ah hah!

allquixotic

01:23

can't see any harm in using /var/www

just make sure you mkdir it before running svcadm restart svc:/pkgsrc/nginx:default

and set perms :P

Journeyman Geek

XD

Ahh ok

so the share/examples.... is relative to /opt/local

That confused me

HackToHell

01:35

Oh and I managed to download the sdk ;p

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: >_> I think I may need your help again. I seem to have broken nginx

(commented out the original location it set, created and gave ownership of /var/www to the www user) and... I donno, I can't seem to connect)

Michael Frank

Hmm.... All I want to do is go home and play Destiny. :(

Journeyman Geek

02:01

....

I am an idiot

5

Michael Frank

Stars inbound.

Bob

@allquixotic I still haven't gotten around to trying it :P

Journeyman Geek

Its still broked but I was trying to enable the wrong service

Bob

I really need to sort out some form of backup (or at least redundancy) on my server :\

Two HDDs without backups = uh oh

Journeyman Geek

I'm having this wierd feeling of deja vue

Bob

02:08

lol

Journeyman Geek

(though I think I was annoying someone even more that time)

Bob

O_O

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Q: Delete word to the left in WordStar

In WordStar 4.0, is there a control command to delete the word to the left of the cursor? I know that I can press ^A to move one word to the left and then ^T to delete the word I just moved over, but sometimes I want to delete more than one recently-typed word, and it's cumbersome to do the two ...

wordstar

Journeyman Geek

blah, I'll take a tenner.

0_0

Bob

WordStar? Isn't that... uh...

That really old word proc?

Journeyman Geek

yup

Bob

02:11

@JourneymanGeek Any chance it'll run on your OS/2 VM? :P

Journeyman Geek

If I can find a copy, I can try

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Ask that guy? :P

Michael Frank

mmm... shutdown.exe - You are my friend!

Die! Annoying computer.

Uuuugh it didn't work.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: meh, I have ways

Michael Frank

Google search: wordstar.rar rapidshare

Bob

02:15

@MichaelFrank Uh... what millennium is that from?

Journeyman Geek

lol

I prefer to search for abandonware

heck, I can get a copy of visicalc (legally) to go with it!

Bob

@JourneymanGeek o.O

How does one get a legal copy of abandonware?

Journeyman Geek

bricklin.com/visicalc.htm

Its not abandonware

Bob

o.O

Michael Frank

@Bob I'm not sure what period that app is from. But it's super useful.

Bob

02:20

@MichaelFrank You do know you can just shutdown -i?

Michael Frank

@Bob not if you can't run a cmd window!

Bob

@MichaelFrank Create a shortcut to shutdown with -i

Holy shit.

@MichaelFrank I have a copy of that!

Michael Frank

@Bob wow... this is handy!

Bob

Inherited from the migration from Server 2003, from the last admin, who for some reason used it to schedule a daily restart at 6 AM

-___-

(and the restart didn't even complete, because the chassis intrusion warning kept tripping)

Michael Frank

Yea, the last modified time on our file is 22/12/1999.

Bob

02:26

@MichaelFrank I think the 2005 here is just when that guy downloaded it.

Anyway, shutdown -i is so much nicer:

Michael Frank

I'll definitely be using that from now on.

Bob

But I'd rather use PowerShell, tbh :P

Michael Frank

Yeah, turns out the machine was just stuck "Configuring software". I had to choke it out.

allquixotic

Michael Frank

omg...

Bob

02:34

uhm

> Intel Pentium 4 or AMD Athlon 64 processor (2GHz or faster)
Microsoft Windows 7 with Service Pack 1, Windows 8 , or Windows 8.1
2GB of RAM

That's for Photoshop CC 2014

good luck running it on a P4...

Michael Frank

So apparently the Australian printer naming convention uses ─ (ASCII 196) instead of - (Hyphen).

Bob

@allquixotic Oh? They're jumping on the watch bandwagon?

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek I'll take a look.

Bob

Give it a year. They'll probably sue one of the Android manufacturers for 'copying' their watches.

allquixotic

@Bob Obviously no one has worn things on their wrist before the iWatch

Bob

02:36

@MichaelFrank What printer naming convention? :S

@allquixotic Oh yea. Sue Rolex too.

Michael Frank

@Bob the naming convention for the company I'm working at.

Bob

Ah.

Michael Frank

347Kent─Printer01 instead of the sane 347Kent-Printer01, which I can actually type with a normal keyboard.

Bob

Alt+0151 and Alt+0150

wow. I haven't used those in ages, but I still remember them o.O

— –

Michael Frank

Alt+196 does the same thing

Bob

02:39

@MichaelFrank turns out 196 is an entirely different dash... o.O

Michael Frank

– <--- is the character.. apparently it's not 0151 or 196

Bob

looks like 0150

Michael Frank

ahh, yes. I didn't try that one.

Bob

Yup, EN DASH: fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/…

0151 is EM DASH

no idea what 196 is

"BOX DRAWINGS LIGHT HORIZONTAL" wow

Everett

Evening all.

Journeyman Geek

02:42

@allquixotic thanks.

Bob

Two weeks. 338 GB written to the SSD.

I think I might need to disable Rapid Start; it's writing a bit too much...

~4-6 GB per 'hibernate' depending on my memory usage.

Everett

Anyone willing to assist me in some experiments? I'm working on a new protocol for beer to peer networking... Layer one is a b1tch ;)

Michael Frank

@Everett So... do I just give you my address and you courier over some beer?

Everett

Yeah, that's what happens, I'll need your name, occupation, and hum, bank account number. I can fill your account with those golden delicious suds

Anyway, just thought I'd say hi and bring a little light hearted humor, hope all are well...

allquixotic

@Everett Hi, I'd like to report a Critical Vulnerability / Exploit (CVE) against your B2P protocol

It's called the Bladder Overflow Attack, and it occurs when the peer sends too many beers to the recipient

@Bob :S your SSD is way out-writing mine even though I constantly swap out textures and program data with 2 GB of RAM

and I've been running mem-hungry Chrome on my laptop at work

Journeyman Geek

02:49

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Bob

@allquixotic I have a 64 GB cache + 8 GB pagefile + upto 8 GB hibernation file on it

I don't think the pagefile is being used much though.

allquixotic

when I use GateOne, tabs I haven't accessed in a while get evicted into the page file :|

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: the nice SSD or the crappy one? ;p

allquixotic

I have a 16 GB pagefile, 32 GB ReadyBoost and a virtual machine disk image on it

@JourneymanGeek the 850 Pro

Bob

Also, yours should be faster and last longer, too...

Mine's only an 840 EVO

Journeyman Geek

02:51

I'm at ~10.89tb of writes after a year

Bob

There aren't any Pro mSATAs anyway.

allquixotic

are there 850 EVOs?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I'll probably be around there at this rate.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: no

I think they released the pro first

Bob

@allquixotic "coming soon" as of 20 hours ago

Journeyman Geek

02:52

(and the 840 Evo is a generation after the plain 840s)

allquixotic

I wonder if they'll release an mSATA one with the same type of flash construction (V-NAND) as the 850 Pro?

Microsoft would be all over that for the SP4

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: fairly certain

@allquixotic: I parsed that as service pack 4

allquixotic

lol

Bob

@allquixotic More like M.2

Journeyman Geek

oh, yeah

@Bob: probably both initially

mSATA is still super common

Bob

02:54

@JourneymanGeek I mean in the SP4

Might even be soldered to the board.

Journeyman Geek

ahh!

Bob

In fact, probably will be.

allquixotic

I wonder if Samsung will sell a Galaxy Note Edge Developer Edition? I would love to buy that and flash CM on it

Journeyman Geek

Probably soldered to the board

allquixotic

they solder 'em but I think they still use mSATA as the protocol

until M.2 comes out

they could cut the BS protocol and just use PCIe though.

that would be some serious performance.

Journeyman Geek

02:56

@allquixotic: one of those things I don't get

wouldn't it be simpler to just forget about sata on a device like that? ;p

Its not like you need to hang an arbitrary number of random hard drives/ssds

allquixotic

they are probably afraid of protocol bugs in whatever they invent to replace SATA.

SATA has been around a long time, and there are extremely well-debugged, rugged, production-grade SATA controllers out there

(there are also bad ones, but if you pick a good one, you save thousands of engineering hours by letting some other company do a lot of R&D for you)

Journeyman Geek

Ahh

(oh, sata has been around a long time... Man, I feel old ;p)

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