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Paul

01:46

Perhaps a mod would like to get rid of this joker:

superuser.com/users/358575/joe-johnson

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@Paul Page not found :P

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, I nuked him a little bit ago

Mobile has no mod tools :(

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

02:04

guess what puppy?

I'm having an Indian dinner tonight :D

Black Gram Lentils Curry -- "Dal Bukhara" -- and spicy poppadoms

one made in Chennai, one made in Chankyapuri :P

Journeyman Geek

03:25

XD

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

I had it. it was good

water, whole black gram lentils, tomato paste, cream, butter, garlic, salt, ginger, red chili powder.... sounds like British influence ;p

Journeyman Geek

lol

Indians use a lot of tomatos.

and some parts of india ALWAYS put ginger garlic and onions in everything

and butter.... more often clarified, but common ingredient ;p

HackToHell

According to Sleep as Android I don't sleep properly :/

Psycogeek

04:22

is there a way to talk normal to people in the game watch dog? or does our hero only hide in the shadows and destroy thier privacy (and money) with the computer?

HackToHell

Journeyman Geek

The latter

Psycogeek

if i am standing in fromt of em and push E or F does it do anything? sometimes something is said, but i cant figure it out?

youtube.com/watch?v=qUmGKGkxs1c <---- I think at times it could use a bit more realism, graphics are amasingly real, the world is more real and cool, but the dued is completly invincable.

Journeyman Geek

04:39

naw, they just randomly talk

I DID crash into someone and got slapped tho

Psycogeek

lol

yo you like a bull in a china shop

dis game is a gonna breed a brand of psyco that is becomming more common in the US.

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

05:26

wow, the scenery data for X-Plane 10 is enormous @_@

@Psycogeek Saints Row already did that. and GTA

also, consider your username....... >_>

Bob

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ xD

Event educated fleas do it. — Chris B. Behrens 2 days ago

HackToHell

CSS stacking is driving me nuts .-.

Psycogeek

05:45

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ he he, a psyco geek is much better'n a psyco killer.

Andrew

06:31

Cam anyone help me getting my touchpad working with Linux... on my Loshiba satellite c55-a5105

Bob

07:24

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Journeyman Geek

08:29

-1

Q: I am looking for a software, program like terminal in fedora

I am looking for a software, program like terminal in fedora to compile and run programs for win 68bit. i want to compile and run programs just like i m working in fedora... please anyone suggest me. Thank you

windows 8 68 bit?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek He means 86-bit, of course!

Journeyman Geek

and I'm totally unclear if he means 'I need a way to do ./configure , make, make install' or he needs a compiler, or a terminal

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Or "I need a different OS"

Journeyman Geek

"I need to know what I'm doing"

Andrius

Can anyone suggest good sound speakers that would have cable length between sub-woofer and satellite about 1.5m? The reason I need this is I have height adjustable table which can be lifted up for like up to 1.2m and I would put satellites on table and sub-woofer on the ground. These look good - amazon.co.uk/Edifier-M3300SF-Compact-Speaker-System/dp/… but I don't know what kind of length that cable is...

Journeyman Geek

08:38

if you like the speakers, replace your cables

Bob

^

Cables are easy.

Cut and crimp/wrap/solder, or just get an extension cable.

If you're an audiophile, you might prefer the former.

Journeyman Geek

actually

smart audiophiles rarely make cables

0_0

WHY IS THE LINE IN A MINI D CONNECTOR?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Eh, bit of a tradeoff. Some might complain about extra noise from the connector. But if you don't do the crimp/wrap/solder right, that could easily be worse.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: If they are, they are idiots

Bob

Heh.

"if you're an audiophile"

Journeyman Geek

08:41

quality premade cable is probably as good as anything you can buy

Bob

Personally, I couldn't care less.

Journeyman Geek

just that quality varies hugely.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek It's not the cable quality, it's the connector.

There's lots of cables with dodgy connectors. But lots are perfectly fine, too.

Andrius

Well I would not consider myself audiophile. I just want some proper sound speakers for my new desktop PC. I don't really want to mess with cutting cables :). But replacing with longer cable might be a better solution. Doesnt it sometimes have cables that can't be replaced (like it can't be unplugged)?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: oh, I tend to like em fat and moulded in place

Bob

08:42

D-subminiature (professional audio)

D-subminiature connectors are used to carry balanced analog or digital audio on many multichannel professional audio equipment, where the use of XLR connectors is impractical, for example due to space constraints. The most common usage is the DB25, using TASCAM's pinout (now standardised in AES59). To avoid the possibility of bent pins on fixed equipment, the male connector is generally fitted to the cabling and the female connector to the equipment. The DD50 connector usage is described in AES-2id. == Notes and references... ==

@Andrius I guess it depends on the speakers, then.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: assuming its a standard connector

Bob

Any halfway-decent speakers should have a removable cable from the subs to the satellites.

Journeyman Geek

I've not seen that on consumer hear before

@Bob: eh, most of them have it wired in

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That would make positioning them... fun.

Andrius

I like these amazon.co.uk/Edifier-M3300SF-Compact-Speaker-System/dp/… but I can't tell what kind of cables are those

Journeyman Geek

08:43

@Andrius: the picture I linked was the back of your woofer

Andrius

oh..:) thanks=]

So I guess I could easly buy longer cable if that one would be too short?

Journeyman Geek

Thats what I'm concerned about

Bob

Standard RCA, so... sure.

Journeyman Geek

looks like you must use that remote

its PC -> remote -> subwoofer -> speakers

RCA extension cables exist, so you could pop those on your satellites if needed

Bob

8

Q: Connotations of "quixotic"

Would you say quixotic has more of a positive connotation or more of a negative connotation? The definition for quixotic given by Merriam-Webster is: hopeful or romantic in a way that is not practical foolishly impractical especially in the pursuit of ideals; especially : marked by...

meaning adjectives connotation

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ ^

Andrius

08:46

is it possible to skip that remote control, cause I could care less about it. I would just control sound from my keyboard anyway

Journeyman Geek

@Andrius: that's what I'm trying to work out

ugh, none of these reviews show how its wired up

Andrius

Its annoying that there so few details about sound speakers. You are like buying cat in a bag..:)

Journeyman Geek

oh man

tell me about it

I'm replacing my speakers at some point - and finding reviews is a PITA

I believe wirecutter is planning to, but haven't yet

Andrius

I guess ill buy those and fix em up if needed :)

Tural Aliyev

09:04

Hello guys

Anyone familiar with all-in-one printers here?

Journeyman Geek

kinda sorta

printers vary massively

!!ask

ChatBot John Cavil

@JourneymanGeek That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: afk

Journeyman Geek

blah, I CURSE YOUR SUDDEN BUT INEVITABLE BETRAYAL!

0_0

Braiam

09:26

!!meta

ChatBot John Cavil

@Braiam Please don't ask to ask; if you simply ask your actual question, we will help you if we know the answer or can help you find it. This is much faster and simpler than asking if it's OK to ask. As a rule, it is always OK to ask in this channel. Please go ahead.

Braiam

@jou ^:P

Journeyman Geek

blah. ;p

Tural Aliyev

I'm trying to choose good printer all in one device for home use. Trying to choose one from goo.gl/MGw6st and goo.gl/0pOa8x

Journeyman Geek

ah hah!

Tural Aliyev

09:29

don't know what is difference

Journeyman Geek

I tend to favour canons ._.

Tural Aliyev

really?

what is reason?

Journeyman Geek

@TuralAliyev: had one for ages, They refill well.

Something worth considering when buying a printer

I suspect the second one is merely an update of the first

Tural Aliyev

yes. but I see difference only in display

and for me display doesn't matter if system is same

Bob

I'll never touch an Epson again.

Heck, I'd avoid all inkjets if you do much printing at all

Journeyman Geek

09:34

@Bob: meh, I like our pixma

Tural Aliyev

its for home use actually. And laserjet all in one's are too expensive

Journeyman Geek

the current one is a tank, if only it read ink 'properly' like the old models

Tural Aliyev

Yeah you can connect CISS to epsons every time you want and it's good for office use also

Bob

I've got a Canon B&W MFP, Brother colour laser and HP MFP inkjet.

Of all those, the inkjet gets... no use at all.

Tural Aliyev

Man I wont's use this printer intensively

Bob

09:35

Thing about inkjets... leave them for too long, the ink dries up. Use them a lot, and you'd pay more for the ink than you would for laser + toner.

Tural Aliyev

its for home use

Bob

Only real use left for them is photo printing. Inks blend better than colour laser dithering.

Journeyman Geek

hm

Tural Aliyev

I'm buying this for home use actually and laserjets are heavy. the post service will require same money as printer price

Now I'm very confused about canon and epson. becuase on canon's website I see only bad reviews and user experiences about canon products

Bob

Colour laser MFPs run for something like $100 at the bottom end now :P

I just go pick them up.

shrug

Journeyman Geek

09:39

@TuralAliyev: o0

heh. Looks like I'll be putting off my speaker purchase and getting a brix

Tural Aliyev

@Bob Bob I live in europe. it's difficult to go and pick up from USA

Bob

@TuralAliyev I live in Australia. I'd bet you it's even more difficult to pick up, or ship.

Tural Aliyev

@Bob bob so your opinion is to buy canon/

?

Bob

Depends what you have available locally.

@TuralAliyev That was @JourneymanGeek's suggestion.

Journeyman Geek

@TuralAliyev: mine is. His is to get a laser printer locally

Bob

09:41

Me? I can't recommend any brand for inkjets.

Tural Aliyev

:)

Bob

Haven't had a good experience with Epson, but that was over a decade ago.

Tural Aliyev

laserjets are usually heavier then normal printers right?

Journeyman Geek

they do tend to be bigger

but much lower maintenance,

and better in almost every respect

Tural Aliyev

goo.gl/pOLvdq

what about this?

Bob

09:44

@JourneymanGeek Except the aforementioned photo printing :P

Good enough for casual use, but certainly nothing near professional.

Journeyman Geek

hm

ACTUALLY

thewirecutter.com/leaderboard/printers-2

would be a good starting point

since yanno

they constantly test printers

Bob

@TuralAliyev Do you need fax?

Tural Aliyev

@Bob not at all

Bob

Might be cheaper without it.

Tural Aliyev

i need good all in oneprinter

even inkjet

Michael Frank

09:50

@Psycogeek @JourneymanGeek have you ever noticed that there is always a major car accident whenever you load the game?

RE: Watch_Dogs

Journeyman Geek

o0

no?

but for some reason I generally end up in the safehouse over the expressway tunnel half the time

Michael Frank

Ahh, well every time you leave the first safehouse there will always be an accident right out front.

Bob

@MichaelFrank Heh. I was thinking load game => hear crash outside window

Tural Aliyev

10:04

The most confusing thing is

on every companie's pages

there are lots of bad feedbacks

about inkjets

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@JourneymanGeek He's from the future. Samsung invented HeisenRAM, where two particles can coexist at the same place at the same time, so you can have hundreds of layers of normal RAM space-sharing a single stick's volume in classical Newtonian space. you can get more than 18 EB of RAM on a phone nowadays, so they had to increase the address space by a factor of 16 to allow up to 295 EB :P

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: and you ~~can~~ may or may not watch cat videos that were ~~never actually made~~ may or may not ever have been made in 3d?

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@JourneymanGeek well. more precisely: cat videos which may or may not have ever been made

Journeyman Geek

;p

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

and you can watch them in 11-dimensional hyperspace

Journeyman Geek

10:08

there, FTFY

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

isn't FTFY usually when you edit my post?

Journeyman Geek

maybe!

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

I'm not detecting any mod abuse. I even used my tricorder on the chat.

Journeyman Geek

I'm distracted, I'm currently planning a hardware purchase

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

I just love scanning for mod abuse. Ab-use... you tiny little ab-use... you precious little ab-use... where are you?

►

Bob

10:12

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ are you the good quixotic or bad quixotic? :P

Journeyman Geek

depends, does he have the beard of evil?

cnx-software.com/2014/05/06/… looking at one of these

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@Bob I just looked at tchrist's answer and nearly fell out of my chair.

He practically wrote an English paper on the damn word

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: for?

Bob

1 hour ago, by Bob

8

Q: Connotations of "quixotic"

Would you say quixotic has more of a positive connotation or more of a negative connotation? The definition for quixotic given by Merriam-Webster is: hopeful or romantic in a way that is not practical foolishly impractical especially in the pursuit of ideals; especially : marked by...

meaning adjectives connotation

Journeyman Geek

ah hah!

Bob

10:14

3500 words O_O

and I thought my answer was long

Journeyman Geek

0_0

EPIC

Bob

> But the novel itself does admit an inescapable interpretation, one that this posting will at length provide before its end.

:P

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

Ahum. (And yes, I've had "quixotic" in my name for a very long time; I didn't change it just for this question.) — ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ 14 secs ago

Bob

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ The obfuscation really works against you here :(

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@Bob mehh -- it doesn't take that much effort to read it! :P

also you can go here and view my recent names

Bob

10:17

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ ...recent names?

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@Bob eh, maybe that is only visible to myself and mods

Bob

Probably :P

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

anyway, I just changed my display name back to regular old allquixotic; it'll be propagating through the various caches soon.

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: ya

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

the phase is over. :P

Journeyman Geek

10:18

;p

Bob

-_-

hm. need to fix Cavil

again

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

nothing wrong with him

or is there?

Journeyman Geek

I think he means the @allq trigger

Bob

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ just the @allq thing

ChatBot John Cavil

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ ^

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:19

oh right.

speaking of, I need to stand up another SmartOS container for Cavil and get him migrated over

Bob

should be easy enough

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

I'll probably do the least risky thing to start with, and run him in an Xvfb using Firefox

Journeyman Geek

man, I swear after two days of messing with computers, I'm so damned relaxed

(and I've been sleeping less and better ;p)

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

btw, I've had like 7 hours of sleep, plus 3 hours just a little bit before that, so I'm not tired despite the fact that it's just barely sunrise here (6:20 AM)

Journeyman Geek

I slept about 6

Bob

10:21

ok, that should be done now

Journeyman Geek

I usually sleep 7, then get woken up for walkies

sometimes less.

Mokubai

Heya guys, how's tricks?

Bob

!!info

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob pong

Bob

!!ping

!!info

ChatBot John Cavil

10:21

@Bob I awoke on Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:21:36 GMT (that's about 10 seconds ago), got invoked 1 times, learned 81 commands, teleported 62 goats

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

hi @Wood-many the mod

Bob

@allq

yay

just renamed the script to scriptname.js.disabled

might fully delete it soon-ish

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

I wonder how hard Verizon is going to throttle my ass come October

Mokubai

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Grrrrr

Bob

X-Plane?

Any good?

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:23

I'm probably in the top 0.0001% of users now

Bob

oh yea, I spun up a Win8.1 VM just so I can use it via RDP on my Android tablet

it actually works pretty well

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

X-Plane is:
KSP;
on actual Earth;
with actual Earth scenery (very close approximation of actual stuff on the ground, i.e. roads, houses, buildings, etc. in places where they ACTUALLY ARE on the planet -- though it's a ~50 GB data download);
with actual aircraft dynamics;
with human (not kerbal) pilots;
with extremely complicated (hey, aviation is complicated!) rules

Bob

could do with a lower resolution, though

And it's smoother than native apps on the tablet

shitty piece of crap that it is :P

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

apparently, Boeing and the FAA and many other very prestigious organizations use a customized X-Plane configuration in a professional setting... they deck out a system with all the real hardware, like a yoke and stuff, and they put X-Plane on a really high-end system, and run it

now granted the $10 million flight sims with wrap-around projection like a real cockpit aren't necessarily made with X-Plane

but X-Plane is an enormous step towards that (assuming you had the hardware), and even if you don't have the hardware, the simulation is hella realistic

also, X-Plane is able to do limited space plane / space shuttle type simulations as well, and there's a space shuttle in the built-in game, but it is primarily designed as an aircraft simulator within the troposphere and stratosphere

Bob

huh forums.appleinsider.com/t/181797/…

Mokubai

10:27

So KSP on uber-steroids then

Bob

isn't that what happened with nvidia G84/G86 cores?

Journeyman Geek

possibly

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@Mokubai KSP is a different experience -- I like KSP for different reasons than I like X-Plane

KSP is an honest to god game. X-Plane is not a game (as declared by the devs); it's an as-realistic-as-possible simulator

KSP is supposed to be entertaining and has many genuine "gamey" functions that trade realism for playability

X-Plane doesn't give a fuck what's "fun"; it wants to put you in a goddamn ACTUAL AIRPLANE.

it even has realistic ATC, although at the current release of the game it isn't fully finished yet, so there are no consequences for ignoring the ATC warnings :P

Mokubai

Ah no, I wasn't implying that you would want to choose between them and I can see why, at times, you'd prefer one over the other. But it sounds a lot like similar "games" with one taken to a massive extreme

Journeyman Geek

lol

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:30

@Mokubai well, yeah -- I mean, at some level KSP is a semi realistic simulation of rocketry (and to a lesser degree, aerodynamics, though its aerodynamics are VERY, VERY unrealistic) -- if you aren't used to simulations at all, KSP is super realistic from that perspective.

the extreme realism captured by X-Plane is definitely in a class of its own, though

especially since the scenery data is so comprehensive, it's just incredible

Bob

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ a realistic one has to make mistakes

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

if you flew a helicopter at low altitude in X-Plane, you could probably find your house on the ground

provided it's been there for at least several years

Bob

oh god... aviation safety course, first assignment: write a report on MH370's disappearance

-_-

no, they couldn't have chosen one with concrete facts, could they?

Mokubai

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ won't see my house then ;)

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

I don't know where they get their data from, but it's probably the same people who made Google Maps

Mokubai

10:32

might see the farmers field it was built on

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

Navteq or something

TIL that a reasonable rendering of the entire surface of Earth takes about 50 GB of data

and it's not just flat images, either! they actually extrapolate the 2D stuff into 3d renders of vehicles, roads, houses, etc

Mokubai

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ I was just going to ask about that

So it's a bit hella detailed.

If you fly over this way then get a screenie of my unbuilt house ;)

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@Mokubai I might! I plan on landing a 787 Dreamliner at Heathrow airport once I figure out how to fly an actual 787

so far I managed to get a 787 airborne, then activated the autopilot to keep me at a steady altitude, but I have no idea where I'm going... I need to program the flight computer so I can fly with the northern currents across the Atlantic!

the autopilot does surprisingly little in a real aircraft... you have to set all kinds of knobs -- air speed, altitude -- all it basically does is keep you level (or it can actually climb at a reasonable rate if that's what you want) and keep you from yawing

Mokubai

My method (of playing a shuttle simulator about 20 years ago) usually involved flicking switches until something happened. Usually the thing just detonated where it was.

Journeyman Geek

lol

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:39

I think the autopilot would be a lot more useful if I could figure out the navigation system.... basically a bunch of waypoints that describe an actual route that a plane would take between two points... usually it's not a perfectly straight line

Mokubai

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ do you get virtual passengers that scream if you turn the plane upside down?

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

the autopilot could turn the plane and adjust the altitude to keep it following the waypoints

Journeyman Geek

DO A BARREL ROLL!

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@Mokubai no virtual passengers that I've seen, but you can walk through the plane's fuselage during flight, which is perfectly safe if the plane is in a stable flight envelope with the autopilot engaged

you can fly straight as long as you have fuel (and yes, there is fuel that realistically counts down, and you can't land safely if you're too heavy, just like a real plane)

Bob

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ fuel dump!

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:40

@Bob exactly

Bob

though, without any passengers and luggage, I'm not convinced a full tank of fuel is too heavy to land...

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

I launched my 787 with about 14 hours of fuel -- near the top end of what the aircraft is capable of carrying, but it could actually take on more fuel because there were no passengers; yes, it is aware of the fact that the plane is lighter with only two people on board (you and a dummy copilot)

a 787 loaded with passengers and cargo probably can't take off with 14 hours of fuel

Journeyman Geek

can you pause? ;p

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

the game has multiplayer too, and you can have the other person as your copilot

Mokubai

So it doesn't assume you have passengers and their baggage at all

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:42

yes, there's pausing, which pauses the entire state of the game, thankfully. and saving and loading.

Journeyman Geek

Sitting for 14 hours straight at a computer can't be ~~fun~~ healthy

Mokubai

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ Sounds like it could be amusing

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@Mokubai correct, but there's a configuration option for everything -- you can set the "bulk" weight with a slider... you can even adjust whether the plane is unbalanced or not (to make for more chalelnging conditions)

granted, setting the weight to be quite heavy doesn't make passengers magically appear

they leave that to your imagination

Journeyman Geek

or future addon ;p

you can even have random 'drunken passenger' events!

Mokubai

You could be flying to heathrow and tell the co-pilot to take over while you nap and end up in manilla..

Are there "missions" and stuff?

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:44

@Mokubai no missions, since the game is not about fun. you make up your own "missions" in your head by setting personal goals for what you want to accomplish

oh, did I mention it supports AI-driven modern jet fighter combat in this same realistic simulator?

with realistic ordnance?

Mokubai

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ They give you the entire earth to fly around and don't give you people...

2

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

AI-driven or multiplayer, in fact

Bob

@Mokubai you're the last one

or maybe no-one trusts you to fly safely

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

so in theory you could pit a state of the art Russian jet fighter against a state of the art American jet fighter, while the American is in America and the Russian is in Russia :P (high latency tho)

Mokubai

@Bob Well that'd be a fair comment in my case ;)

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:46

you don't pit an American fighter against a British fighter though

that's just not a fair fight; the Brit has no chance

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: the brits are supposed to have really good pilots though

Mokubai

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ We'd hide in the valleys in our Harriers and pounce when you least expect it

Journeyman Geek

(and the planes they fly are pretty good at some very specific tasks)

@Mokubai: do you still have those? I thought they were navy air arm

and you lot temporarily don't have any carriers

Mokubai

RAF has some but iirc they were being slowly decomissioned

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: depends on the fighter - the backbone of your airforce is still 70s era fighters

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:48

@Mokubai yeah but harriers are subsonic! good luck avoiding a supersonic missile when you can't even break the sound barrier

Journeyman Geek

You guys don't have too many F22s, and the f35 ... is a bit of a messup

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: stay at the treeline, pop up and shoot ;p

Mokubai

If I had the money my garage would have both an SR-71 and a Harrier in it

Journeyman Geek

You cannot hit what you cannot see.

it wouldn't be a garage ;p

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@JourneymanGeek the F35 is a white elephant -_- way too expensive for what it is

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: precisely

they should probably not have killed off the f22 line IMO

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: and the 'best' F15s, F15Es and F16s arn't american

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:50

@JourneymanGeek 187 F22s in service.

Journeyman Geek

I suspect we have the best f15E varient, and one of the middle eastern countries has the best 16s.

Not counting whatever mods the Israelis made to theirs

ahh UAE, my bad

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

187 F22s should be enough in the event of a Cylon nuclear attack; it was enough for Adama

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: yeah, and a shut down production line.

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: I suppose you do have more carriers ;p

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

the US's nuclear-powered carrier fleet always reminded me of the Empire's ISDs in Star Wars

Journeyman Geek

lol

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:55

and yet we built one just recently, still based on the oooooooooold Nimitz design, and launched it, named after George Herbert Walker Bush

...not my favorite President

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: bush senior wasn't too bad

and IIRC the two most recent ones are a subclass

besides, how can you improve on carrier design?

You can go russkie and build a carrier/battleship, or go smaller

those things are NEVER going to be stealthy

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@JourneymanGeek well, to start off with, EMALS catapults, which are safer and more efficient

you can make everything electronic

you can convert 20th-century AA machine guns or whatever into AA guided missile launchers

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: I think thats a planned upgrade

meh, missiles are expensive

and guns are good for close in anti missile work

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

battleships are totally obsolete at this point; for sea-to-surface fire support you've got ballistic missiles, which are cheaper than guided because they have no guidance system

Journeyman Geek

besides, long range AA defence is escort work

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

10:59

or bombers (FOAB...)

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: I disagree on that.

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@JourneymanGeek which modern navy operates a traditional battleship with gun or howitzer based defenses? and in what world would they be able to sustain a confrontation when their enemies' missiles far exceed the range that they can lob shells?

the only "gun" type explosive kinetic weapon that could be useful in the future is one of those rail guns :P

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: ship to ship, its pointless

if you're trying to take a surface target...

and with modern tech, you can probably direct fire a lot more effectively

don't forget, the US military nearly always has overwhelming superiority in a war they are in

ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

@JourneymanGeek true, but "taking a surface target" on the modern battlefield usually doesn't constitute shooting enormous explosives at things and laughing as all the civvies scramble

usually with the US they try to do precision strikes... terrorism and all

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: War is breaking things and killing people

Unfortunately.

Anyone who assumes otherwise is deluded.

Precision strikes often arn't, and in some cases, you do need excessive force.

the big issue with battleships is really that they are vulnerable

but that's true of a carrier as well

allquixotic

11:05

terrorism would be a lot worse if we'd just go lob shells indiscriminately at them.... it's bad enough with us at least trying to minimize civilian casualties... they hate us enough as is... there would be no benefit to reducing our precision / increasing our destructive force, even if it turned out to be cheaper to do so

unless your goal is simply genocide and wiping out the entire country so there's no one left to hate you

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: eh, my views on terrorism is... "make the leaders pay. Personally"

but I'm talking conventional war here

The carrier is a large mobile base. Its a bit of a swiss army knife, and it happens to be perfect for launching precison strikes.

I'm thinking a more traditional war with slightly more clearly laid out enemies

with terrorism... I think the solution really is deathbots.

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek problem is, a "traditional war" between nation-states that doesn't go nuclear is not terribly likely to happen

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: eh, it keeps happening

at least every 20 years or so.

allquixotic

the cold war was barely anything in terms of actual action, and Desert Storm was really an intro to terrorism

Journeyman Geek

@ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ: I disagree there

desert storm was a classic limited conventional war

I think if the US told saddam "dude, there's terrorists there" He'd gladly have joined the americans

and god, they fucked that one up

Journeyman Geek

11:23

(and eh. I'm sadly old fashioned when it comes to geopolitics)

Michael Frank

12:14

@allquixotic woo... 10-1 as Kindra that game. :D

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