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00:45
@Ramhound: Cats are vicious bastards when they set their minds to it. I've seen local strays stalk and chase off a full grown cobra.
01:03
@sammyg also, it prevents you from using the older IBM Thinkpad power supplies with the very different lenovo systems and vice versa. The two have different voltages
@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut woof. I mean thanks.
01:40
@allquixotic I wonder if thats cause you can charge the yoga slowly off USB and quickly off a proper charger, and they didn't want people sticking the normal charger into USB ports and setting things on fire
01:55
Somebody just upvoted like 7 of my questions for some odd reason :$
I really wish I could decide if I want the Surface Pro 3 :$
Bob
Bob
02:36
@Ramhound I have no problem deciding I want it. The problem is deciding if I should get it (if I can afford it) :P
03:26
;p
I sorta know the feeling.
04:17
@JourneymanGeek rsyncing now
Though it's transferring at 9 kbps :'(
little b? , I could phone it in to you it might be faster
the mobile acoustic coupler modem
Oh wait, I can run rsync server in my pc and push the files from your box without opening ports and stuff
04:35
any kernel programmer here ?
Can't help there. I usually have better upstream
@JourneymanGeek Now it's at 50 kbps
My download speed :D
And without the ssh overhead, it should be over soon
As of soon I mean 4-5 days ._.
And rsync is using only 1-2% CPU at your end :)
@AmitBhaira Not a Kernel programmer, but I'm a Corporal programmer! </pun>
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@CanadianLuke need to clear a simple concept regarding computer archi., can you help me with that?
04:58
this is new
(well, atleast to me since I don't check review that often)
Bob
Bob
@Sathya The big number at the top of the screen didn't give it away? :P
'sup dudes
@Linker3000 linkylinky
how be you
I see you're back
Hi - I just popped out for a beer in Nov 2011 and....
05:14
. . . accidentlly aquired a life ?
Yeah - hey, there's other people out there..and grass, trees n stuff..
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Nov 30 '11 at 22:19, by Linker3000
So bye then! (Really!)
long, long time indeed..
Yep - but I'm killing some time in a hotel right now so....
@Sathya So what you doing now?
05:18
@HackToHell thats more like it ;p
@HackToHell: meh, not a big issue. Just let me know when its done, whenever. ;p
ooh, raw rsync?
!!cowsay hi to @Linker3000
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@Linker3000 I'm working at the same place where I was in 2011 :)
05:22
@Sathya Fair enough - not that I remember where that was! I'm getting old and forgetful
@Linker3000 at a UK based company now acquired by a certain Canadian company in Bangalore :)
@Linker3000: I think I remember you from the video card givaway ;p
@JourneymanGeek Yep - that's why I went out for that beer!
@JourneymanGeek yeah, daemon at my end
05:24
(I pulled out from that. Then went and built myself a kickass rig. It even plays crysis!)
haha
@HackToHell: I need to try that. When I do local transfers over smb or sftp I'm usually processor limited
(well crysis 2 ... close enough)
@Sathya Ah yes - I remember. I've changed jobs 3 times - now working for a company that's not Eastern Analogue
I could swap it out for a laptop with a c2d, but I'd be losing out in terms of onboard hard disk space - the atom as it is can handle 2 Sata and 2 IDE drives, and I got space for all of em
@Linker3000 that would be western digital?
05:28
@Psycogeek Seems likely!
(well, a division of...)
Bob
Bob
@Linker3000 oh hi there. you left before I started :P
@Bob Hi.
Well, time to go again - see you in 2017..
Bob
Bob
@Linker3000 See you then!
..oh heck..maybe I'll dip in every now and then
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic confirmed that the i5 SP3 is not an Iris :(
05:55
Heya @Linker3000 long time no see!
@Mokubai Hi - how's things!?
Not bad. You been keeping busy?
Ash
Ash
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Q: How to set up prebuilt gcc for compiling goldfish?

AshI was trying to compile goldfish (Android kernel sources for the emulated platforms ).In the Android Project's Building Kernels page , On a linux host, if you don't have an Android source tree, you can download the prebuilt toolchain from: $ git clone https://android.googlesource.com/pl...

@JourneymanGeek Apparently rsync is faster than anything else squarism.com/2010/02/11/scp-vs-rsync-vs-smb-vs-ftp
@Mokubai Drinking beer and insulting passers-by
06:10
@Linker3000 sounds like my kind of holiday! And you managed that for almost 3 years? That's dedication that is...
@Ash Why compile the goldfish kernel o0
@HackToHell Coming in late here - what are you syncing?
@Linker3000 Cyanogenmod 11 source code
It's about 20 gigs
And since stupid 'git' can't resume
I am using rsync
say what.
it can.
@HackToHell I've just started a 'sync' eval project for multiple site-site repos and we're trying this: syncthing.net
06:14
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A: How to resume a git pull/clone after a hung up unexpectedly?

Bernhard PoissIf a pull hung up, it will not write any changes to your filesystem. This is because, if it would, your local repository would not be in a stable state. There is no way to resume a pull/clone. So your only choice is to pull/clone again.

@Linker3000 I'll check it
Probably not what you're after - but the word 'sync' made me feel like sharing
Ash
Ash
@HackToHell been there.
@Ash It's 317 mb :D good luck
@Linker3000 I'll not be able to use it now, but it's an awesome idea.
@Sathya How ?
@HackToHell I assumed it can, but apparently not
Ash
Ash
06:22
@Psycogeek IP over avian carriers ? I thought there was a protocol for that.
@Sathya yeah :(
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A: How to complete a git clone for a big project on an unstable connection?

jthill"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a carrier pigeon and a bundle of SD cards" would be the modern form of this answer. Tar it up, plain old cp -a it, whatever, and mail the damn thing. Find someone willing to take two minutes of their time to drop a thumb drive into an SASE. Find a contact, ...

:D
500mb / 20 Gb done
Ash
Ash
06:40
@HackToHell speed ?
@Ash My download speed is 50 Kbps
rsync zips files and sends them
Gnite folks - good to catch up again/say hi to new peeps. 'til next time.....
@hacktohell Sounds reasonable now. 9kbps is just silly
So Battle.net refuses to let me sign on my in-laws wifi. :/
I want to play Hearthstone! :(
06:51
@Psycogeek :O
@JourneymanGeek yeah
i hadn't seen that one
a 3 hour flight, a 3 hour flight.
07:13
too soon :/
Ash
Ash
@HackToHell I have this goldfish and arm-eabi from git . is there a good how to on emulating goldfish ? I don't know anything about this and I was trying to follow some guide , but everything seems to brake here and there.
Preferably something that explains how to setup android development environment.
07:41
@Ash I don't think there are guides for goldfish
But there will be guides for normal kernel on xda
SMS for Dogs.
07:58
(yes, thats a boat)
@Psycogeek That website is hilarious!
Also texts from Bennet is hilarious as well
Weeee ohhhmph . . . Can we do that again?
08:17
Oh no, there chromium source in there
08:28
for (var j = i, t = a[i], x = f(t), y; j > lo && ((y = f(a[j - 1])) > x || !(y <= y)); --j) {
wat
self-obfuscating code
09:18
Why the bloody hell does CM source include the source of eclipse !!??!!
fuck
09:31
lol
that might explain the size
ooh. Fired up nethogs. Looks like we're somewhere between 50 and 60 KB/s
09:53
@JourneymanGeek Schnauzers are the best dogs in the world just not the best navigators.
@Ramhound: We never get lost on walks ;p
Now reaching the pedal, thats tricky for a small dog
Cool 2.1/20 gigs done
And only 1 gigs transferred
Don't get me started. I lost my schnauzer recently
@Ramhound: I'm sorry to hear that :/
The worst of it was he went blind; 2 recessive genes; but he was happy up to the end. Good thing Germans are hard headed otherwise he would have been in trouble.
09:58
chuckles
They are.
<-- is a mutt so slightly less chance of that. However the other side might be westie, so the hardheadedness is probably worse.
He would insist that he knew where he needed to go. We called our pure breed "Mutt" strangely enough, there is a story there, Jeff( the standard ) was going to exist also
Mutt and Jeff was a long-popular American newspaper comic strip created by cartoonist Bud Fisher in 1907 about "two mismatched s." It is commonly regarded as the first daily comic strip. The concept of a newspaper strip featuring recurring characters in multiple panels on a six-day-a-week schedule had previously been pioneered through the short-lived A. Piker Clerk by Clare Briggs, but it was Mutt and Jeff as the first successful daily comic strip that staked out the direction of the future trend. It remained in syndication until 1983, employing the talents of several cartoonists, chief...
Mutt from an early age learned he was special though and we didn't have the heart to get another one ( plus the side of effect of feeding a standard )
There is a long story about the hat there...
Not sure I even have a picture of him with his paper cup.
I wish I could stay, I got work, hurts sometimes because he truly was my dog but I had to move away like most sons have to do eventually and I didn't have the heart to take him with him or the resources to take care of a blind dog by myself ( he stayed with my parents )
So I really wasn't around. We used to say his tail would wag him when he saw him
* he saw me
or smelled me I should say
10:09
Yeah, thats how they are.
or hear. They have SERIOUSLY good hearing
ash listens on on phone calls ;p
Yes, great guard dogs. Except when they give away they are blind by barking and kicking dirt in an entirely different direction then the person who walked into our yard :$
He would chase the mailman and for awhile he would sing "aniimail..." youtube.com/watch?v=y1INo--32D0
But our first one would only bark at certain things, so when he barked, we knew it was real ( or the UPS guy )
Ours barks at anyone at the door when he can be arsed.
10:59
hi
does anybody know if there exist a website that would not only show me directions to get by bike from one place to another but also the climbing and descending of the route
lo mr pringles.
something like this
google maps
can google maps do it?
that would be specific to country I suspect
11:01
yes, but i think that google maps maybe doesnt have that feature yet
@EinsteinsGrandson uploaded GPS online mapping locations that provide altitude graphing?
they say i have to use the google maps dektop version
not the web version
i will try that
An interesting one would be to import your KVM file or whatever , converted and all , into google earth? the 3d program itself as downloaded to your computer ?
but i havent cycled the route yet
All the hinkers and biker sites have arrays of online locations for both pre-mapping a common route. They would also know of the many places to upload a completed track. Out of the 10+ popular android mapping apps, you could scour all the places the programs connect to.
Orux maps (scolling bitmap with 3d using DEMS) for example does the web connect thing to 3-4 services. there are so many online mapping locations most of the programs have but a few.
Many of the better simple android apps will also make such a graph right on the phone , but as you said, your more interested in how it is going to be before doing it.
Less of the apps, could you create the route, then have the app apply altitude data to it, and graph it before.
Myself (hiking) I use this stuff more simply. it is just a big f---cking hill , and it isnt going to get smaller if i graph it :-)
Bob
Bob
11:22
@allquixotic Heh. Fiddling qith QoS on the ddwrt router, saw a codel option
Bob
Bob
11:36
Heh.
> Below 4Mbits SFQ remains a pretty good choice. Below 768k I think it is the best choice (if you disable permutation).
Bob
Bob
12:26
> The lab test is open book. You are allowed to bring text books, lecture notes and solutions to the lab exercises. You are also allowed access to the Web. However, do not discuss questions with your friend or SMS or e-mail them.
Heh.
I love this kind of exam.
""Good customer service, very prompt delivery of defective goods "" customer Quote from a china buys site
Bob
Bob
Mostly because I'm great at looking things up, but I can't remember them.
Hey, if docs are a 10 second search away, why should I trust my memory?
@Bob so you're a CPU with no L1/L2/L3 cache? :P
if it's not in registers, you have to go out to RAM?
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic My Lx caches have poor error correction, and a high error rate.
hey I just did a random read/write perf test on my RAID array. around 96 MB/s write, 185 MB/s read
Bob
Bob
12:33
@allquixotic RAID 1?
Bob
Bob
Ah.
no write caching; I can't afford a BBU
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic Wait, 10 is only 96 MB/s write?
I would've expected higher.
the 4kn drives operating in 512e mode probably slow it down a bit
Bob
Bob
12:34
My RAID 1 is 143 MB/s seq read, 67 MB/s seq write.
That's Intel fakeRAID.
well, I have a hardware RAID controller, so there's no CPU overhead
Bob
Bob
It was about half that with the old drives that incorrectly reported 512 physical sectors.
My current ones correctly report 4k sectors and 512b logical.
I wonder if I could get better perf with the Adaptec 71605E
Bob
Bob
@allquixotic Eh, it's simple RAID 1 on an i7-2600.
The CPU overhead is negligible.
Maybe if I were using parity, but I'm not.
@allquixotic My one reports cache is enabled at the moment.
I'm pretty sure it's actually disabled.
It speeds up if I disable it.
@Bob not really -- your disk subsystem still has to schedule two separate reads/writes to the SATA controller, and those commands get scheduled by the OS scheduler, put on the work queue, then dequeued, transmitted down the PCIe bus...
having a RAID processor physically connected to the disks allows it to control them directly without going through a preemptive OS scheduler or the PCIe bus
it can issue low-level SATA commands at basically an electrical level with no intermediaries
Bob
Bob
12:39
Wait, no, they fixed that cache toggle bug at some point O_O
I should probably disable it.
what I really want is one of Adaptec's Gen8 controllers, which come with a non-volatile NAND for write caching, eliminating the need for a BBU
basically they give you a little SSD on the RAID card for caching
allows for incredible burst perf, though it doesn't do all that much for a sustained write
looks like an 8405 (the "upgrade" for the controller I have, same # of ports) plus an AFM-700 would run about $600 total
if I did that, definitely no Surface Pro 3 this year
13:06
is it possible to build a cheap desktop that runs on 100W?
as in max it never uses more than? or average?
average when running office like software (point of sale system to be more precise)
every system i have created beasly, drives everywhere overclocked etc, generally uses about 120-150W only when sitting around picking its butt. but then cranks up to like 350-500 if whooping on it like games.
ooh Android's speech recognition is powered by Nuance
there can be periods of 5 minutes or more when the system is idle
@Psycogeek, so an i3 from Intel or A6 from AMD with a single HDD or even SSD could use 100W
13:12
With the new sleeping cpu stuff, and highe efficency PSU, and SSDs low power consumption and all, about any of these newer computers can be set to be less than 100W average consumption.
anandtech.com/show/6347/… says that total system consumption is 120W in the worst case, but I haven't found yet where they say they're measuring at the plug
I do not know squat about AMD processors, they have (also) ways of reducing power, but i think the intel stuff has more of that covered.
on a somehow related note, is it to me or NUCs are kind of expensive compared to cheap laptops?
I was thinking of using a cheap laptop instead of a desktop
good simple 22-24" LCD pannel montors with led are down to like 22-27 watts running. One things on them that can use lots more power is when they have buku connections stuff, PNP tv tuners, analog inputs and stuff like that.
@CristianCiupitu Oh, and remember all that stuff the OS wants to DO all the time to make stuff faster. that kicks up some power. I have much of that turned off.
Take the simple aero interface, which kicks the GPU into operation unnessisarily. while Intel keeps dropping the power, MS keeps jacking it up :-)
going to be awarded [badge:Enthusiast] in a little bit for SuperUser!!!
13:24
I always disable all the bells & whistles
@CristianCiupitu I do not think the Nucs are to expencive. I would more worry about some of the longevity of the smaller things in them. small fans always suck, and small power supplys do not always have the best lifetime. so it is possible to build a small system in a big box, with more assurance, and even more costs. (what do you expect from me being a builder so i dont get cheap crap system).
so it would be better to go for let's say a mini-tower case with a 450W 80+ PSU and a miniATX motherboard then a NUC
@CristianCiupitu If you spend 2 days picking the parts :-)
I have already looked at some options:
- http://www.pcgarage.ro/surse/corsair/cs-series-modular-cs450m/
- http://www.pcgarage.ro/carcase/zalman/t2-plus/
- http://www.pcgarage.ro/procesoare/intel/core-i3-4150-35ghz-box/
- http://www.pcgarage.ro/placi-de-baza/gigabyte/ga-h81m-ds2v/
sorry for being in Romanian, but that's what I had at hand
Many of the small motherboards have very (lets call them) limited power setups for the cpu power conversion. I am not really thrilled with what I see. sometimes even using old capacitors that are not the new japonese poly stuff. also much inprovements have been made on coil noise reduction and efficency there.
13:31
I see
@CristianCiupitu The PSU, good stuff, if your trying to save power or run with solar or something the efficency of the psu. It is interesting to note that these efficencies on them are a Curve usually. they are most efficient at about mid power conspution and higher. So for this build i am on today, i did not highly overdo the wattage needed on my PSU.
Then there are 2 locations to find out real facts about a PSU, johhneyGuru , and another one i do not remember. There they test the quality of the power and (over my head) discuss the quality of the components.
I know about the curve, but that's the cheapest and lowest power PSU available
as for the real facts, I'll check out that website
Case looks like it would cover anything you could throw at at.
Motherboard is Ok. limited sound to stereo? like that would matter. again light on the power stuff, but if your not running it in high temps, with high end processor, cant see a problem.
When looking for any motherboard, i might look at Newegg, and tomshardware and other places, and get a board that lots and lots of people own. That way if it is a problem child there is more info about it. Also All the people are like beta testers :-) i can find out if it was a good choice or not.
13:50
right, I forgot about that
I am overly pickey about motherboards, because they are not as easy to replace, and the basis for everything else i will build apon it.
@CristianCiupitu: pc parts picker is a good site to show someone your config
@JourneymanGeek, thanks!
and of course, thank you too, @Psycogeek, for the feedback given so far
also, there's two schools of thought on PSUs
one, get cheap - they're easily replacible.
the alternative is to get a good PSU since they're more efficient
the cheap ones aren't cheap enough, besides I don't want any issues caused by power fluctuations
13:55
and that looks like a fairly sensible low-mid end build to me
yeah, the PSU looks fine
I USED to get the cheapest PSUs I could, back in the day ;p
power in singapore is fairly clean, and I figured switching cheap 20 dollar PSUs every few years was fine
we had a big issue once and an old thinkpad laptop was fried
and so was a xerox printer
cheap PSUs work for most people here in Romania too, especially for home users, but for something that's going to run 14 hours a day at a store I'm not sure they're a good option
and by cheap I mean no-name stuff with no protection
getting a surge protector?
lol. Yeah, thats what I used until... er... one and a half builds ago

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