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allquixotic

20:00

> election ended 4 secs ago

Daniel Beck

@JourneymanGeek and @Mokubai won!

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allquixotic

> Loading ballots from file superuser-com-2014-election-results.blt.
Ballot file contains 10 candidates and 1501 ballots.
No candidates have withdrawn.
Ballot file contains 1501 non-empty ballots.

Counting votes for Super User Moderator Election 2014 using Meek STV.
10 candidates running for 2 seats.

R|Journeyman Ge|Mokubai |Canadian Luke|Raystafarian |DragonLord |Malachi |Moses
|ek | | | | | |
|-------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+-------------+-------------

^^ from OpenSTV run using the MeekSTV method (the one that SE uses)

Canadian Luke

Congrats @JourneymanGeek and @Mokubai

nhinkle

Congrats to the winners! Looking forward to seeing your diamonds soon.

allquixotic

20:18

@CanadianLuke aww, no emoticons or "!"? don't be sad, Bambini :(

your name is already blue anyway :P

Daniel Beck

Barely elected moderator and they already broke the site!?

Mokubai

Where's JG?!?

allquixotic

@Mokubai it's 3 am local time for Mr. Geek. and congratulations! I am somewhat surprised that the primary results didn't equal the official election results, but nonetheless I'm very happy you got elected :)

hope to see you around a lot more :P

now I have to start calling you guys "Mr." because you have authority :P

Mr. Ravi and Mr. IdunnoyourfirstnamesoI'llcallyouMcNamara

Mokubai

@allquixotic Likewise, I had fully expected to be third behind DL

allquixotic

@Mokubai surprising is that DragonLord ended up 5th!

Mokubai

20:21

Oh dear lord I have soooo many new buttons!

allquixotic

Raystafarian almost ran away with the election, judging from his positional ascension between the primaries and the finals

he landed in 4th, behind Luke

Daniel Beck

@allquixotic DL is 3rd

allquixotic

@DanielBeck oh. then the OpenSTV run I did is misleading :S

Daniel Beck

@allquixotic You're not wondering why "Surplus" and "Threshold" didn't get elected, are you?

allquixotic

@DanielBeck :D

no, haha

Bob

20:24

@allquixotic these things look better if you put them in a code block

allquixotic

I was like "who's Surplus? OHHH"

huh. DragonLord got the second most first-choice votes but still lost

the race between Mokubai, Luke and DL was quite close all the way

Bob

@allquixotic You first-past-the-posters wouldn't be used to that, would you? :P

Mokubai

@allquixotic See, that makes no sense to me...

allquixotic

@Mokubai I think you got enough second and third choice votes to edge him out

that's what it appears to be

Bob

@Mokubai >

> An STV election proceeds according to the following steps:

1. A candidate who has reached or exceeded the quota is declared elected.
2. If a candidate has more votes than the quota, surplus votes are transferred to other candidates. Votes that would have gone to the winner go to the next preference.
3. If no-one new meets the quota, the candidate with the fewest votes is eliminated and those votes are transferred.
4. This process repeats until either a winner is found for every seat or there are as many seats as remaining candidates.

allquixotic

20:30

SU is going to have 10 mods after the mod transaction to remove Troggy goes through

Daniel Beck

in Super User 2014 Election, 22 mins ago, by Daniel Beck

First round: M 145 DL 193

in Super User 2014 Election, 21 mins ago, by Daniel Beck

Then JG gets elected and M 269 DL 266

in Super User 2014 Election, 18 mins ago, by Daniel Beck

Looks correct. Mokubai got 380 second votes (298 from JG #1 voters), DL 253 (176 from JG #1 voters).

Bob

The specific voting method: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_Single_Transferable_Votes#Meek

allquixotic

super close O__O

Michael Frank

wow, 3 votes in it.

allquixotic

although Mokubai got way more second votes than DL

nhinkle

20:31

STV always confuses the heck out of me.

Michael Frank

Okay, so because JM won the first choice place, all his surplus votes go down to the candidates in the second choice tier?

allquixotic

so now we have, what... 2 US mods; 5 Europe mods; 2 South Asia mods; and 1 "Pacific Ocean" mod (random; wherever he is)?

Bob

@MichaelFrank Come on, you should know at least -_-

allquixotic

turns out this election did okay for balancing out the time zones, but not great

still pretty heavily balanced towards Europe

Bob

@allquixotic What would you consider great? :P

allquixotic

20:34

@Bob you and me as mods :D

nhinkle

And me and studiohack, being the only US mods, have not so much time lately.

Bob

@allquixotic Heh, I'd probably contribute more to the US timezone than AU :P

Michael Frank

@Bob Why should I know? o.O

Bob

> This system is currently used for some local elections in New Zealand.

:P

allquixotic

@nhinkle well, I'll run next time :P

Michael Frank

20:35

@Bob ha! That doesn't mean I understand how the system works.

badp

run for the hills! I have a mini-question

allquixotic

@badp go away! (j/k)

badp

The floor here is parquet

Mokubai

@allquixotic Do it. Or I'll make you regret it. ;)

badp

is that a problem re: static electricity?

Tom Wijsman

20:37

Burn it!

KronoS

Whoa!!! What happened to the site?

allquixotic

@badp how in the world is this on topic for SuperUser? :P

badp

oh: grats to the new mods!

Daniel Beck

@KronoS The new moderators broke it.

Tom Wijsman

Yes, blame the new moderators.

KronoS

20:38

@DanielBeck knew it!

Daniel Beck

Isn't it obvious!?

badp

@allquixotic superuser.com/questions/237698/…

Mokubai

I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, you can't proove anything!

badp

in The Bridge, 25 mins ago, by OKAY, PANIC.

The Stack Exchange read-only test is starting now, DNS failover will happen over the next 5 minutes.

Tweeted by StackStatus on May 6, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Bob

> by OKAY, PANIC

KronoS

20:39

> OKAY, PANIC.

I love that

badp

KronoS

@badp are you an SE employee?

I can't remember

badp

@KronoS No.

KronoS

ok

Tom Wijsman

Maybe the moderators will be given their diamond during read-only mode; so, they won't become moderators as it can't be written... Muhahaha.

badp

20:39

Just a regular run of the mill MOD ABUSER EXTRAORDINAIRE OF DOOM AND THUNDER RAWR

allquixotic

@badp almost regardless of what your floor is made out of, you're going to need a static wristband or similar (or just shock yourself intentionally on something you know is capable of doing it) before working on a computer

badp

@allquixotic I don't have one

allquixotic

also, what's the temperature outside?

badp

about 20°C?

allquixotic

ugh

KronoS

20:40

@allquixotic @badp honestly I've never had any issues with static electricity and PC parts

badp

well, during the day

allquixotic

!!convert 20C to F

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic 68F

allquixotic

that's fine

badp

I don't have a memory of getting shocked in here

but I also never built a computer!

The parts arrive tomorrow!

allquixotic

20:41

usually, static electricity only becomes super dangerous if you've got a house heated by convection (warming the air, as opposed to radiative or black body heating) and the outside temperature is much, much colder than inside

at 68 F you're unlikely to experience that as your heat is probably off

badp

yeah, heaters are off

allquixotic

I shocked my phone, laptop, PC and TV (without damaging them; good grounding) all winter long when it was below freezing outside

Bob

@allquixotic what

Static wristband, bah.

Just keep a hand on the case.

Michael Frank

@Bob What's that?

Bob

Or touch it before picking anything up.

allquixotic

20:42

@Bob oddly enough, my case never shocks me

badp

@Bob but the case will probably be on this wooden table, or on the wooden ground

allquixotic

even if I know I'm more statically charged than a damn thundercloud

Bob

@MichaelFrank Dodgy device that claims to prevent a static charge from building up. I don't believe any of those claims.

@allquixotic Neither.

@badp So?

badp

@Bob so it won't actually be grounded?

Bob

You want to be grounded with respect to the case.

You do not want to be earthed.

Michael Frank

20:43

@badp If you want the case to be grounded, leave it plugged into the wall ;)

Bob

@badp The ground depends on some reference. The earth is, well, Earth.

@MichaelFrank In this case, the case is your "ground" reference.

allquixotic

thing is, if you approach the case and you're extremely charged and you touch it, it's going to have to ground it somewhere -- it'll probably end up grounding it (poorly) through the rather poor conductor that is wood, eventually leading to the actual ground

but if you approach the case and you aren't extremely charged and you touch it, and you don't get a shock, and you leave your hand on the case, it's impossible to shock it as long as you keep touching it

anyway, at 68 Fahrenheit, unless your house is depressingly and unhealthily low on humidity, you don't have to worry about static electricity

increases in humidity and temperature severely inhibit static electricity buildup

cold and dry = zap
warm and moist = no zap

Bob

@allquixotic That would explain why I've never been shocked working on my computer.

badp

@MichaelFrank it doesn't have a built-in PSU

Bob

On the other hand, I've been shocked in >70% 30 degree weather.

allquixotic

20:47

@Bob I've been shocked (many years ago) by just barely touching a sound card with the top of my hand while installing a GPU or something, in the winter, in a low-humidity house with convective heating (convective heating sucks the moisture out of the air, making the problem worse)

it didn't destroy the sound card, but it scared the crap out of me

the PSU was off, but the plug was in the wall (3-prong plug with a grounding pin)

Bob

@allquixotic Eh, I've been shocked a lot by sound cards and RCA ports on TVs. There's something funny about them. I don't count those :P

badp

@allquixotic 62% humidity

allquixotic

actually I misspoke: convective heating doesn't suck the moisture out of the air; it just expands the air, which means per unit-volume of air, there's less moisture to go around

@badp that's decent

badp

allquixotic

I've seen a few graphs here and there about static electricity and temperature, and basically what you see is this sort of exponential increase in the severity and likelihood of static buildup below roughly 30% humidity and/or 60 Fahrenheit

badp

20:50

so even if I put things on this table (red = wood, purple = plastic, black = metal) I would be fine?

allquixotic

those numbers may be wrong but that's the general ballpark

badp

well yes I guess I can touch the metal things with my feet

that would be more effective than touching the case through the wood

...I think

Michael Frank

@badp Are you trying to create a circuit?

Canadian Luke

@allquixotic I tried, but the community doesn't want me wearing blue here as well. Oh well.

allquixotic

@CanadianLuke you've got enough blue for one person! :P

badp

20:52

@MichaelFrank I'm trying to make sure that I don't damage anything I touch through static electricity, given that it's basically the only thing people do warn about in building computers

that and moving the motherboard without holding it with two hands I suppose

allquixotic

@badp given your environmental conditions, I'd worry more about dirt than static

finger oils + semiconductors = bad

badp

hrm

allquixotic

wash your hands with soap and dry them before you start working, and keep dust/dirt/debris away from your build area

Michael Frank

@badp I built my last computer on the carpet. Your described situation is basically a clean room in comparison.

badp

@MichaelFrank There's also a cat normally in this room.

allquixotic

20:54

never touch the bottom of the CPU; that's probably the most sensitive

badp

I'll try and keep her out throughout the day but...

allquixotic

@badp tell the cat, "shoo! and stop being curious about what I'm doing! I know you know how to design CPUs; quit being such a smartypants!"

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Bob

@allquixotic Don't touch the top, either.

You don't want to mess up the heat paste

allquixotic

having the cat in the room after the computer is put together is fine, but if she tends to shed a lot (I have a medium-hair cat, so I live with that every summer), you should have hepa filters on the vents in your case

my cat likes to get under my feet and sniff around behind my computer so i'm always cleaning the vents

i caught her biting a (thankfully thickly shielded) HDMI cable once and had to grab her by the scruff of her neck and give her a lesson on safety

i don't know if she understood, but i told her very sternly :P

badp

@allquixotic It's may.

She's doing the bulk of shedding in these weeks

allquixotic

20:57

heh

Michael Frank

@badp It's may everywhere...

badp

@MichaelFrank WELL IT'S NOT REALLY THE SAME IF YOU WERE ON THE OTHER HEMISPHERE

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank but it's not mid-spring everywhere :P

badp

CHECK YOUR NORTHERN HEMISPHERE PRIVILEGE!!!!!1111one

allquixotic

@badp ...............he's from NZ

badp

20:58

shhhhhhh

Michael Frank

(y)

badp

do cats shed massively in may also in NZ?

allquixotic

@badp no, they shed backwards; any hair that may be laying around the place gets picked up and attached to their fur coat

everything there is backwards

badp

@allquixotic ooooh that sounds mighty useful.

Get two cats along the border of the emisphere side by side and, as one cat sheds, the other grows fur

allquixotic

@badp yeah, and instead of drinking water, they drool out purified water into their bowls

badp

21:00

@allquixotic sustainable!

allquixotic

I'm not sure how going to the litter box would work with this model though

you have to put lumps of poo into the litter box for them to...

!!no

ChatBot John Cavil

Mokubai

BWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

The reign of madness begins!

allquixotic

@Mokubai that's scary. are you abusing your powers, or laughing at the discussion?

oh god oh god don't ban me don't ban me please please please

Michael Frank

@allquixotic No that's my work shirts.

Mokubai

21:02

@allquixotic Can't it be both... ;)

allquixotic

@Mokubai now that you're a mod, you know you are required to participate actively in RA, right?

it says it right there in your job description ;)

Mokubai

participate? you mean delete everything?

badp

unrelated

in The Bridge, 2 days ago, by Yuki

2

Mokubai

o.O

allquixotic

@Mokubai *sigh* I think you need to have one of the veteran mods explain to you how this works.

badp

21:03

@Mokubai Hi. I am a veteran mod. Yes, that's what it means.

allquixotic

dear god

Mokubai

!!yes

ChatBot John Cavil

badp

@ChatBotJohnCavil +1 picard

Bob

@badp That's the ad for an energy drink, isn't it?

Michael Frank

21:05

allquixotic

did... did you just... edit one of Cavil's posts?!?!!

badp

Bob

I call abuse.

badp

(taking a page from Heavenly Nostril's book. I blame Yi Jiang)

Bob

(Hm. That ruined a pretty long streak. Bad @badp!)

badp

21:06

@Bob Streak of what?

allquixotic

@Bob "bad badp"? isn't that redundant?

Bob

59 secs ago, by Bob

I call abuse.

badp

@Bob So you've stopped calling abuse?

Aww :(

Bob

*swats @badp with... wait what does one swat a purple ball with eyes with? o.O

badp

It's an open question.

Oh I know. I'll help you out and touch another knob or two so you may resume your streak

There

I can only assume the silence is caused by people running en masse to sign an online petition to stop my reign of terror

Mokubai

21:17

I can see all the things o.O

Tom Wijsman

21:30

!!learn taytaytay i.imgur.com/SYvAqgs.gif

ChatBot John Cavil

@TomWijsman Command taytaytay already exists

Tom Wijsman

!!taytaytay

ChatBot John Cavil

Tom Wijsman

Heh, I thought it was removed; who's being manipulating ChatBot John's memory?

@Mokubai Enjoy the endless bedtime reading material. :)

(You must read deposit material to train your deposit sensor to be able to deposit depositable material.)

Mokubai

@TomWijsman so many new toys, much wow.

@TomWijsman it definitely wasn't a moderator. Paragon of virtue those lot are.

Tom Wijsman

21:42

@Mokubai Don't worry, I have an arsenal of TS GIFs available.

Bob

@TomWijsman Go on!

Tom Wijsman

@Bob imgur.com/a/hTCdg imgur.com/a/R0Wp5 imgur.com/a/wD7hB

3

(Bandwidth alert...)

studiohack

@TomWijsman oh that's who that is.

Michael Frank

22:08

@TomWijsman Amazing.

Malachi

just curious but can I mess with the bot like that?

!!taytaytay

ChatBot John Cavil

Malachi

is there documentation on this lovely bot?

!!man

Journeyman Geek

!!help

ChatBot John Cavil

@Malachi Input not matching /(\w+) (\d)/. Help: User-taught command: Searches for a manpage http://linux.die.net/man/$encode($2)/$encode($1)

@JourneymanGeek Information on interacting with me can be found at this page

Malachi

22:19

!!/norris

ChatBot John Cavil

@Malachi Each hair in Chuck Norris's beard contributes to make the world's largest DDOS.

Malachi

lol

$who

!!/$who

ChatBot John Cavil

@Malachi That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.

Malachi

lol

Bob

@TomWijsman I'll check when I get off mobile :)

Malachi

22:26

I am going to have to set up it up on my linux box that I always have running when I get home

speaking of which

Journeyman Geek

the SE chatbot?

Malachi

yeah

looks like it is just Javascript running on a page

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Malachi

right?

Journeyman Geek

its a bit messy

pretty much

thats about the only way to get a bot on SE

though I think @allquixotic does some stuff with odd javascript engines

Malachi

22:29

what do you mean, Messy? I will be back within a couple of hours ,

Journeyman Geek

and probably drippy candles and incantations.

Malachi

@JourneymanGeek LOL

TTGH

Journeyman Geek

23:05

superuser.com/questions/750551/how-to-use-apachebuddy-pl I'm missing something here

allquixotic

23:27

@Malachi right now I use so-chatbot-driver to launch Firefox, get to the chatroom, then inject the so-chatbot code into the browser

Malachi

yeah I have just enough knowledge to get this thing downloaded and then I have no idea how to run the script.

@badp ROFL

@allquixotic ok so how do I do this?, damn I am dumb

allquixotic

@Malachi I'm the operator of Cavil, so I don't really have an incentive to spend time helping you with it, unless you want to run a bot in a different channel -- I can't envision any situation where we'd need another bot in this channel. But anyway -- for starters, it's just Javascript; all you have to do is load the bookmarklet's JS into your browser using the JS console or similar.

Malachi

@allquixotic I do want one in another channel.

allquixotic

oh, cool then

lemme check on the Aviation chat real quick :P

Malachi

eventually I want to work on the bot too. and see if I can do some other things with it too, make it do things with unanswered questions and stuff

let e wait until my family goes to bed though

allquixotic

23:37

@Malachi do you know JS?

Malachi

ugh!

I know programming, I know what JS is and some of the syntax.

I don't know all the fun languages and stuff, but that is part of why I want to start with this project.

allquixotic

that's not really gonna work (as far as "working on the bot") unless you learn a lot, then

you can USE the bot without knowing JS, sure

Malachi

I know VB, C#, some VBScript, a little PHP, little bit of Python, and some other things.

I also know XML XPath XSLT HTML CSS etc.

so i really should learn Javascript to make it all well rounded and bring it all together.

learn Javascript more I guess

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