Root Access

allquixotic

00:01

@OliverSalzburg as far as I'm aware, yes -- the 8.1 upgrade thing in the Windows Store doesn't seem to say "you didn't pay enough for Windows, so I'm not letting you upgrade!"

make sure you're not confusing Windows 8 and Windows 8 Pro, though

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic Yeah, I wouldn't. Why though?

When you click the "Compare editions" link in the Upgrade Wizard, it sends you to a website that doesn't compare the editions :P

Braiam

can anyone check cloudflarechallenge.com/heartbleed page anymore?

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg just saying the absence of presence of that "Pro" could make the difference in price

Oliver Salzburg

Can you join the non-Pro version to a domain?

@allquixotic Oh, I see

Ramhound

Man this is wierd.

allquixotic

00:02

@Braiam they revoked the certificate :P

Braiam

@allquixotic boo :(

allquixotic

which is what any responsible host should do after the site has been compromised :P

Ramhound

I have to manually kill this additional IE instance if I launched IE otherwise my tabs won't restore

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg nope

Braiam

where's the results then?

allquixotic

00:03

@Braiam probably on the cloudflare blog

Ramhound

@OliverSalzburg - Yes I did it as recently as Dec 2013

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic Good. That's what I said ;D

@Ramhound What was that in reference to?

You know you can reply to specific messages? ;D

Ramhound

If you can still purchase and upgrade Windows 8.0

allquixotic

0

Q: CD-ROM drive making "tzu tzu" sounds when locating files?

Recently, my laptop (Acer Aspire 4937G) is making weird "tzuuu tzuuuu" sounds whenever I try to read files from my CD-ROM. For example when using windows explorer, it will go "tzu tzu" whenever I click on a file or folder. The sound is recorded here (forward to 0:07 and 0:24). Besides the odd ...

a talking CD-ROM, apparently

Michael Frank

@allquixotic I have never heard a CD-ROM make that noise, ever.

Oliver Salzburg

00:04

Maybe someone put a steam-powered CD into it

allquixotic

lol

isn't "tzu" a mora in Japanese? it could be they replaced an American CD-ROM drive with a Japanese one

Michael Frank

@Braiam I can... o.O

Braiam

@MichaelFrank Chrome users are drunk....

Michael Frank

@Braiam heh

Ahh, well that's not so bad.. Just needed to turn on certificate revocation checking

Bob

@Braiam Amusingly, I can still see it in Chrome but not FF.

So Chrome failed to check CRL/OCSP :P

Michael Frank

00:08

@Bob there's a link further down that explains why

blog.cloudflare.com/certificate-revocation-and-heartbleed

Bob

@MichaelFrank I already knew why.

Ramhound

remind me to enable that setting in Chrome....LOL

Bob

Doesn't make it any better now, does it?

I really wouldn't trust Chrome at all, at this point.

Michael Frank

@Bob Yea, but it didn't fail to check, your settings told it not to bother.

Bob

@MichaelFrank The default settings told it not to bother.

Therfore, it failed to check.

Ramhound

00:11

Trying to understand the reason there are Internet Explorer process that continue to ran ( sometimes ) after I launch and close IE...

Bob

Insecure defaults are no better than a lack of security.

They can claim it's capable of it, but it may as well not be unless you know to enable it.

For comparison, Firefox's defaults ^

Still not all that useful, since it doesn't hard-fail by default (the second option).

Ramhound

This is really really weird.

I am getting rid of Flash I think thats what causing it :$

I hate flash

Anyone know what the yellow highlighted entries mean with Autoruns?

Psycogeek

00:30

@Ramhound When you load in a Previously saved "save" of auto runs, you can Compare what has changed with it. This tunrs out to be very usefull , when turning things on and off. That which "changed" is highlighted.

Ciaran Gallagher

Thanks for the keyboard recommendation and advice!

Ramhound

00:57

@Psycogeek - What tool would I use to do that?

@Psycogeek - I half read your statement

@Psycogeek - Nevermind :-)

Yeah whats wierd is this single instance of Internet Explorer doesn't always happen and I can't find it in Process Explorer:$

I am going to attempt to get rid of StartIsBack see if that has anything to do with it.

All I know is this behavior is new and its unlikely malicious

allquixotic

02:03

@Bob agreed! good example: early Windows XP (pre-SP2?) firewall was wide open by default, back in an age when dial-up with a direct public IP for the computer was fairly common

Michael Frank

02:37

So uhh... How do I back up a Windows 8.1 profile? o.O

Bob

@MichaelFrank You can just copy it manually :P

Copy the C:\Users\username folder...

Mostly, %AppData%

some stuff in %LocalAppData%

Good lord.

0

Q: Need a Java installer maker

I am writing a program in Java, and when I distribute it, I want to offer users a version for those that do not want to install Java. I need a program that I can use to generate installers for Windows, Mac, and Linux that I can bundle the JRE with so the program can work even if Java isn't instal...

java packages jre

@allquixotic ^

Michael Frank

03:00

@Bob That doesn't make any sense. But I guess that's just how I'll have to do it!

Bob

03:17

HackToHell

03:30

That's .... disturbing

Journeyman Geek

I thought poodles were water dogs ;p

Michael Frank

04:00

So my wife just ate guinea pig blood... o.O

She thought it was hers, and licked it off her finger. Turns out it was from the guinea pig that jumped off my shoulder from standing height :(

Poor little guinea split her lip :(

Bob

o.O

HackToHell

@MichaelFrank Is that dangerous ? Blood pathogens ?

HackToHell

04:23

thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.openssl.user/51243

allquixotic

@Bob jwrapper.com

commercial freeware, free for most uses with a few bizarre exceptions ("you can't compete with our simple-help.com project", basically), looks to be similarish to excelsior jet

Bob

04:44

@allquixotic o.O

allquixotic

@Bob it looks like they needed some good installation and native platform middleware for their java-based client, so they developed it then released it as a freeware product for people who don't compete in their business segment :P

somewhat odd for them to impose those restrictions, but the generous license is nice anyway

Bob

04:58

@allquixotic I just wish there was more official support for native/packaged deployments. With .NET, if not Java. But it looks like MS is heading in that direction now, so yay!

allquixotic

@Bob maybe JDK9 will see Oracle weigh in on the matter due to pressure from the community and MSFT adding it as a standard feature

but knowing Oracle, every Java-packaged exe will be 96 MB

Bob

-_-

allquixotic

reflection makes it hard to efficiently know what packages may be required to be bundled in the exe, sometimes... without executing and tracing the code to see what it actually does, but then you run the risk that a path might execute that you didn't encounter and load something else

in the worst case, you could have some kind of Monte Carlo simulation that runs in a loop generating random strings and catches the ClassLoaderException each time it fails to load one, but on the off chance it manages to compose a valid Java class name, it'll need that class at runtime

maybe what they do in those situations is just bundle the entire runtime since they can't introspect what classes will be needed.... or ask the developer to manually enter a list of them

Bob

@allquixotic Eh. They could just say it only works when you don't use reflection.

And, yea, either a manual list or use attributes/decorators.

allquixotic

@Bob I think Excelsior JET supports reflection just fine, but it only supports certain types of dynamic dependency injection, not just any old.... OSGi for instance is supported, since you can bundle Eclipse into a single exe

Bob

05:07

[@RequiresClass(System.Some.Class)]

allquixotic

at least OSGi exists in the Java world so that you can make a pluggable architecture in a fairly standards-compliant way, and tools can easily support the standard

Bob

Just slap that on any method that uses reflection.

allquixotic

@Bob that wouldn't exactly work if you don't know until runtime what classes it'll need, such as in a pluggable architecture

Bob

Not ideal, but it's workable for the somewhat-rare case where reflection is necessary and you want to compile to native.

@allquixotic In which case, the plugins would have to bundle their own libraries separately.

allquixotic

which in general can be a really useful pattern for some situations where a power user / sysadmin / whatever can just load in a .jar with an implementation of some interface as a sort of plugin

Bob

05:09

The loader wouldn't have to care what a plugin uses - it would be up to the plugin to manage that.

You'd primarily care about what's normally in the GAC.

allquixotic

@Bob unless you're trying to compile the plugin to native along with the program... you could have a pluggable architecture, and ship some default plugins embedded in the .exe, and let the user add more by tacking on .jars with a file dialog

at least, that would work in Excelsior JET

dunno about .NET Native

Bob

@allquixotic Still wouldn't make a difference, reflection or no reflection.

You'd only need to treat reflection differently if it's trying to access the GAC.

In that case, it's certainly feasible to require the developer to explicitly declare which classes they need.

allquixotic

the GAC? don't you mean the BCL?

Bob

@allquixotic ...yes -_-

Well. Not just the BCL.

There's other parts of .NET that aren't part of the BCL.

By "GAC", I really mean whatever's included with a typical .NET installation.

allquixotic

GAC dependencies declared at build-time could be compiled to native at build-time, but you could also have it so that the program core is compiled to native and the dependencies aren't, assuming that code compiled to .NET Native is able to interoperate with an instance of the runtime framework (JIT'ed classes)

but depending on the framework would suck because then you would have this hybrid native/non-native thing that would still require a framework installation

but it might work out to be beneficial even in such a hybrid configuration, because reduced load time and faster execution for the parts that are native

Bob

05:15

hehe: IRS misses XP deadline, pays Microsoft millions for patches

allquixotic

I think, no matter how they end up doing it, they're going to NEED to support some form of running the .NET Runtime and loading up classes from MSIL at runtime, with .NET Native

otherwise what happens when you use Assembly.Load?

Anonymous

taxpayer money well spent

Anonymous

seriously fuck you america

Bob

05:31

@allquixotic Hm?

Simple.

If the assembly is native, it just loads it. No problem.

If the assembly is in CIL, then it'll load it if the framework is available, or fail otherwise.

Again, simple.

You either know what assemblies you're loading, or (if plugins), you can require them to be in a certain format to work.

allquixotic

@Bob my governmental org. (not the IRS) is fully on Windows 7 :)

Bob

> Hey Bob, going fishing?

:S

(Online shop newsletter emails... I don't fish, nor have I ever expressed an interest.)

allquixotic

@Bob new problem here in the allquixotic family

Bob

@allquixotic Hm?

allquixotic

7-and-some-change year old Samsung LED HDTV (1080p) displaying "moving" vertical lines of stuck pixels

Bob

05:41

O.o

Controller's shot.

allquixotic

it looks almost like the typical portrayal of "the matrix" characters running vertically down the screen, except (1) there are way fewer of them; (2) their color is variable (they're not all green); and (3) each "row" of them is about 1/5th of the screen length and they're like 1 or 2 pixels wide, max

Bob

Actually, might be a failing cap :P

Failing caps are the pretty much the standard cause of "wtf is this random shit" errors...

allquixotic

each time the monitor displays an image with a vastly different color profile from the previous image, the location of the lines changes

Bob

Or, faulty RAM.

allquixotic

faulty RAM? huh? in the monitor? because it happens even when watching TV with the PC's HDMI cable removed

Bob

05:42

@allquixotic Sure, why not.

The controller has its own memory, too.

You know all those Nvidia G84/G86 GPUs failing from overheating? Sounds a bit like the artefacts from that :P

Though, moving vertical lines are weird.

Annnnyway, doesn't really sound recoverable.

allquixotic

@Bob yeah, without paying to have it repaired, and no doubt they'd want to charge an arm and a leg for labor, plus even more for replacing some huge "controller board" running $400+

by that point you're buying a new one

Bob

@allquixotic That's on the high high end.

I don't even use a TV anymore :\

Journeyman Geek

06:22

actually....

You might be able to get just a controller board for it. Those things are pretty generic

You'd loose TV functionality. potentially, and you'd need to order it based on the LCD model...

or it might be a loose LVDS connector

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Oh yea, forgot about that.

@allquixotic ^

Journeyman Geek

opening up displays is a PITA though

Psycogeek

09:07

@Bob 30 million bucks ya oughta be able to make your own operating system?

jackopen

is it possible to browse through all whatsapp groups?
or are there any alternate messaging service which allows such feature?

Bob

09:45

> No. Im a store manager for Verizon. Samsung is very sensative phones. Dont use a universal chargers. It will give you the wrong voltage to the phone and cause it to over heat.

...

The problems with that statement... I don't know where to begin...

Boris_yo

10:33

Online tool for decoding of characters like these?

wei%C3%9Fe

It's ACSI?

Bob

10:47

!!tell 14921443 wiki uri encoding

ChatBot John Cavil

Percent-encoding

Percent-encoding, also known as URL encoding, is a mechanism for encoding information in a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) under certain circumstances. Although it is known as URL encoding it is, in fact, used more generally within the main Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) set, which includes both Uniform Resource Locator (URL) and Uniform Resource Name (URN). As such, it is also used in the preparation of data of the application/x-www-form-urlencoded media type, as is often used in the submission of HTML form data in HTTP requests. Percent-encoding in a URI Types of URI characte...

HackToHell

backpack.tf/profiles/76561197976968076 :P

Zachiel

19:07

Good whatever it is there, people of Root Access

Is there anyone able and willing to guide a not-so-Super user into detecting what's wrong with his poor laptop and maybe router?
I know, I know. This is the classic question that friends of friends always ask you and this makes you like their cheap computer technicians. I've been there. I will understand if you don't want to.

C. Ross

19:21

@Zachiel what sort of problem are you having?

Zachiel

Hehe, fun how it started elsewhere but has more sense here.
My laptop takes a very long time to shut down. Skype, in particular, takes a long time to exit. And then, when I logout from windows 7, the "there might be some active processes, want to force them to stop?" dialog shows up. Sometimes, something called CCC-something-something-capture shows up in the process to stop list. Sometimes it's skype. Sometimes it's both.

Fearing some trojan or simila malware I tried scanning my list of startups but, even with the help of google, I can't recognize if some are bad or not. And I don't really trust the opinion of the firs site I happen to google

I've also heard something about chrome not closing properly unless you use options-exit from the menu. But my PC was way faster a while ago

And I never closed chrome "properly"

I have no idea what to do save formatting it all and starting anew, but that's a lot of work and does not solve the problem next time it happens.

Secondarily, I'd appreciate if someone could link me a good program that logs connection interruptions, but I guess that's a good question for the main site.

Because I'd like to test if it's my laptop crashing the internet connection or if it's the ISP's fault.

Ben Voigt

19:37

CCC-something is likely the AMD Radeon video card's software: Catalyst Control Center. You might try uninstalling Catalyst and install the driver-only package.

Zachiel

I suspected it was catalyst but... capture?

what's it, like the program that manages my printscreen button?

Ben Voigt

No, printscreen is provided by Windows. Catalyst has components providing hotkeys for for resolution changes, transcoding (video conversion) using GPU acceleration, and I think there's video capture capability as well, although that requires hardware support and not all cards have a video input.

I don't remember Catalyst having screen recording software, which might also be named "capture". But some features only work on some OSes; I'm not familiar with all

Zachiel

19:56

I'll look for this driver only package. Less things running can't be bad for my CPU

oh, except for the part where my laptop producer tells me there's no support for my graphic card >_>

(a videogame told me to look for new drivers last year and I did and my graphic card doesn't exist according to them or something like that. I can't remeber the exact details)

C. Ross

20:14

@Zachiel that's always frustrating

Have you gone through the list of running processes? Is anything consuming CPU that seems like it shouldn't?

Zachiel

now dell's support tells me my laptop is a PowerEdge 2950. I don't even think that's a laptop

apart from the idle cycle, all processes are consuming a very low percentage of cpu usage. There's taskmanager itself, chrome, skype... all around 1-2%

some others I can't recognize show up like dwm (desktop windows manager) or crss (no description)

no description and no username

Anonymous

@Zachiel dwm and crss are legit Windows processes

Anonymous

try killing dwm if you use aero, it'll snap you back to ugly window borders and shit

Anonymous

also crss:

Anonymous

Client/Server Runtime Subsystem

Client/Server Runtime Subsystem, or csrss.exe, is a component of the Microsoft Windows NT operating system that provides the user mode side of the Win32 subsystem and is included in Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008, Windows 7, and Windows 8. Because most of the Win32 subsystem operations have been moved to kernel mode drivers, in Windows NT 4 and later, CSRSS is mainly responsible for Win32 console handling and GUI shutdown. It is critical to system operation; therefore, terminating this process will result in system failure. Under normal ci...

Zachiel

20:18

I supposed so, but I have caught malware masquerading with legit names on a different PC, once. Flash drive spreading little things

Anonymous

oh hang on @Zachiel

Anonymous

is the process in question crss or crsss

Zachiel

csrss, my fault

Anonymous

oh right then

Anonymous

because crss means W32.AGOBOT.GH

Anonymous

20:20

according to google

Zachiel

phew!

Ok, according to the code under my laptop (PP35L) I have a Dell Studio XPS 1640. Dell site has 16, 1645 and 1647

so I have no idea which drivers I need, unless I don't look at the support page and find them somewhere safe on the internet

Anonymous

20:43

The GNOME Foundation Is Running Short On Money

Michael Frank

@Zachiel That 1640 will be the series number. Chuck the serial number into their warranty checker and it'll tell you the exact model number.

Zachiel

20:59

@MichaelFrank done, and a completely differnt product shows up

@MichaelFrank it's what they call the service tag, right?

Michael Frank

@Zachiel yea, normally.

Michael Frank

22:52

Uhh... I think this bakery is missing a few key points here:

nzherald.co.nz/sideswipe/news/…

Anonymous

23:15

I wonder if the NSA can help me get my neopets password

Tweeted by _TheBunny_ on April 13, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Michael Frank

@PatoSáinz Ha!

Canadian Luke

23:31

Can someone try accessing my blog? I finally got my server moved to the new location (talk-about-it.ca)

I'd try myself, but I have local resolution working, and my cell is dead

Michael Frank

...taking a long time to load.

@CanadianLuke yea, doesn't look like it's going anywhere at the moment.

Don't you just hate it when you know exactly what the problem you're having is, but you have no idea how to fix the damn thing? :/

I've got a user here that can't email Exchange 2010 users because of a bug in the way 2010 checks sendquota amounts.

It's apparently an easy fix, but all the solutions online simply say "Run this script! It's totally legit!"...

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