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00:42
anybody familiar with windows installer eror 1723 under win8.1 enterprise?
@Hennes: don't forget not everyone is lucky enough to use british plugs national wallplug standards may differ
(and eh, IIRC the one you linked is the french/german/dutch plug)
AKA the hermaplug
since they're male and female ;p
I know. (At least I knew it was not Brittisch but normal dutch/German. I had no idea about the weird frogs the french)
does yours have the clip or the pin on the plug end?
@Hennes: the british plug is an example of overengineering in its finest.
Aye. I would not mind having that over here. And with that I do not just mean in cloggy-land, but EU or world wide
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01:43
@JourneymanGeek mindshare?
@Alraxite it's alright
not sure how it copes with bigger projects, though
02:01
More people using it so more mods themes and documentation
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02:49
eh
@JourneymanGeek there's a surprising number of ghost themes
good themes, too
the problem is app support is in the next version :P
yay early-beta
tags are for version 0.6/0.7/0.8
app support?
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@JourneymanGeek plugins and stuff
 
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05:15
zzz if I start QtCreator all i get is Segmentation fault (core dumped)
It works in the 3.2 kernel o_0
05:58
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Q: I have i5 processer.What all kinds motherboards can i use?

danI have bought a i5-3570s 3.10 processer,and want to buy motherboard,and other stuff ill need.What all will i need besides motherboard,and tower?I know power supply,but how many watts?What kinds of wires ect?I have only been messing with laptops so bare with me. Hopefully you guys,gals can direct...

ow
Managed to got Path of Exile working....
least until it crashed, turns out the torrents were the cause of the game constantly disconnecting from the server ;p
06:54
test ping
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@jokerdino pong
this is crazy slow internet.
i can't load the dog cycle gif
@jokerdino: worse than my connection in india? ;p
@jokerdino Qt is awesome :D
Yet, I can chat in here.
06:58
My download speed is currently 3 Mbps :P
@JourneymanGeek Things are bloody slow at the wee end of the month.
@HackToHell :D
Something is wrong with BSNL today
Oh. It's like 2kbps atm.
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!! s/today/every day/
@Bob Something is wrong with BSNL every day (source)
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@ChatBotJohnCavil can't argue with that
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@JourneymanGeek ? :S
@jokerdino reboot router ?
Well, if I do that, I have to reboot Fedora to connect again
@Bob: you sound like you're familiar with india's state phone/internet company ;p
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06:59
@JourneymanGeek Heard enough from you guys :P
@jokerdino ...that's so wrong
@jokerdino Why o0
@Bob hahaha
@Bob: I've never been on BSNL ;p
Fedora only connects on startup. :/
You could reboot network-manager if that's what fedora uses
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07:00
@JourneymanGeek But you didn't exactly leave me in great confidence of India's internet infrastructure...
@HackToHell i think it uses nmtools
@Bob: I was bitching about a specific mobile ISP, via a old dongle (which admittedly sucked), in what was basically the backwoods of a minor city ;p
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Q: Speeding up/optimising Internet access for a slow connection

Journeyman GeekI'm currently stuck in a somewhat backwoods part of the world, with my only source of Internet being a CDMA type dongle. Webcomics are a slight pain in the rear, but work sloooowly, when they work at all. Some other stuff such as SU chat dosen't work at all. The dongle comes with some software ...

brb -- rebooting routers
@JourneymanGeek 3g dongles are okay
I could actually play D2 with a 3g dongle
ping was ~100ms to SEA
and packet loss was about 4-10% (not accurate)
@HackToHell: I ended up downloading opera ;p
07:05
let's hope i am back
if all else fails.... duct tape IPOAC
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@JourneymanGeek I wonder if HTCPCP would help.
@Bob: not really ;p
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@JourneymanGeek Should keep you awake while your download finishes!
@Bob: his internet connection is slightly like a teapot though...
short. But not horribly stout
07:10
Bleh, forgot to download the arm version of Qt :/
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oh god
QoS for IPoAC, with ASCII art diagrams: tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2549
> Encapsulation may be done with saran wrappers. Unintentional
encapsulation in hawks has been known to occur, with decapsulation
being messy and the packets mangled.
07:31
ugh, what's with all the folk doing hardware rec questions today
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Ah, Aldi... energy drinks from Austria, painkillers from India, breakfast drink from Vietnam...
Tissues from Italy...
ALL MADE IN CHINA!
(maybe not)
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Candy from the Netherlands
I'm wondering if I can get self adhesive vinyl sheets locally
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And Germany (Haribo)
At this point, I'm convinced Aldi has stuff from literally every country
I wonder what North Korea exports
07:40
weapons?
08:22
>05:27:42.774 E [watchdog.cpp:194 ] High-latency (gui, 3609)
05:27:46.164 E [watchdog.cpp:171 ] Deadlock detected (Thread: network)
05:27:47.164 E [watchdog.cpp:171 ] Deadlock detected (Thread: gui)
05:27:48.471 E [watchdog.cpp:191 ] The deadlock was a lie! (network, 6307)
05:27:48.478 E [watchdog.cpp:191 ] The deadlock was a lie! (gui, 5314)
Spotify log :D
And it uses ffmpeg to decode local audio
 
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@JourneymanGeek His ears are quite big
Damn he's a cute lap dog
@HackToHell: they're huge ;p
Probably from the suspected westie side of things ;p
 
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13:52
@HackToHell taken straight from Endless Space or Galactic Civilizations :P
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14:22
This question annoys me. The continuous replies to my comment, even more. gah
Ok. JS is being weird.
Again.
 
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15:29
ooh Natgeo is premiering Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey today
tempted to go watch
@allquixotic Dunno about both those games :P
 
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17:40
@HackToHell been watching it every week as it comes out in the us
Has anyone managed to boot Windows from an enclosure?
@LewsTherin sure
Enabling UEFI compresses main OS
@allquixotic Without compressing the boot manager on main hard drive?
@LewsTherin I've never heard of "compressing" a boot manager; I have no idea what you mean by that. Compression with a zip program?
I couldn't boot Windows 8 from the enclosure. So I enabled UEFI. But that removed my main OS from the boot menu for some reason. Anyway I was able to boot onto Windows 8 installed drivers etc. When I disabled UEFI to boot onto main OS I got "bootmgr is compressed" or similar.
I've long since fixed that. But now I want to know how to boot without enabling UEFI or compressing the bootmgr
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17:46
UEFI has nothing to do with BOOTMGR being compressed or not.
When you do a UEFI install of Windows, it'll install the EFI BOOTMGR
This is a different binary from the traditional BIOS one.
The files are different.
@LewsTherin what does "enabling UEFI" even mean? if your system has UEFI firmware; it's always enabled; you can't dis-able it, or you'd be unable to boot anything, at all, ever
Well on F2 set up it has two options disable or enable UEFI.
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@allquixotic I'm kinda assuming "disabling UEFI" means booting in CSM/BIOS mode.
@Bob I guess so, but that's an awful way to describe it
If it gives you an option enable or disable UEFI, how else would you describe it?
17:49
@LewsTherin it probably means to say, "should I try to look for and boot off of UEFI system partitions, or should I try to boot from bootloaders in the MBR of connected devices"
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@allquixotic You can have UEFI + MBR...
Not a supported configuration of Windows, but UEFI (standards, not all implementations though) itself and GRUB will handle it just fine, I believe.
so let me get this straight: you enabled UEFI, got it to work, booted into Windows, installed drivers, and then you went and messed with the BIOS, disabled UEFI (for what reason I can't fathom), and now you consider that a problem?
if you had it working, why'd you go break it again?
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@LewsTherin If you installed in UEFI mode then tried to boot in BIOS mode, it simply won't work.
Install the OS (or the bootloader) in the mode you wish to boot in.
You can perform a repair install (probably... or you'll have to manually fix it) if you ever decide to switch modes (which is a crazy thing to do anyway).
@allquixotic Lol wtf.. I'm sorry I asked now. It wouldn't work (boot from enclosure) without enabling UEFI. But it wouldn't boot on the original OS as the bootmgr had been compressed.
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There is no compression going on.
17:52
@Bob That sounds like a good idea.
@Bob So the error message is misleading?
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Most likely.
@LewsTherin What sounds like a better idea is not switching off UEFI booting in the first place.
@LewsTherin your solution (should be) simple: both your OS on the internal drive(s) and your OS on your external drive(s) -- that is, every single OS you will ever connect to this system -- should be configured, at install-time (or repair-time, if you take Bob's suggestion) to boot to the same mode -- either BIOS-based, or UEFI-based
@Bob If I switch on UEFI for some reason it wouldn't show the original OS in the boot menu
it sounds like you have them mismatched right now, which will always break one of the two OSes regardless of which setting you have it on (UEFI enabled or disabled)
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@LewsTherin Because the original OS would be installed in BIOS mode.
I would really recommend getting both into UEFI mode.
UEFI actually lets you select an OS (or at least a bootloader)
BIOS only lets you select a drive to boot from, which will then run whichever bootloader is on the active partition.
17:57
Ok, so I need to find a Windows 8 repair disk that allows me to switch bootloader?
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'course, either bootloader should be able to chainload more... that was the traditional multiboot method.
@LewsTherin Note: I'm not certain you actually can switch bootloader like this.
@Bob it can be done with bootrec
I've done it before
Ok I will research bootrec
it requires a bit of knowledge of the Windows Recovery Console CLI, but it's not impossible
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@allquixotic The only real difficulty there is getting the drive labels straight in your head.
17:58
you get your repair disk, you boot it up, you go to the recovery console, and with the proper sequence of commands, by the time you've rebooted, you've switched from BIOS to UEFI boot, or vice versa
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They're different from the labels on a live system :\
it's not extremely hard, but it is a little tricky
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@allquixotic The original install disc works too, if you have it.
I hope this works. I don't want to reinstall the OS :)
17:59
and since it seems you have a choice of whether to boot in UEFI mode or BIOS mode, I'd echo Bob's recommendation that you make sure both are booting in UEFI mode
@Bob Yeah but you have to buy it nowadays
falling back to BIOS will introduce very old problems (problems which were created by design decisions made in the 1980s) about boot order and device initiailization order
Mmn, so I could make current OS UEFI bootable
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@LewsTherin ...assuming you bought a physical copy of the OS, the disc is free.
yes
actually if you buy a digital copy of the OS the ISO is still free, but you'd have to have bought it retail at the Microsoft Store to go retrieve the ISO
18:00
@Bob I bought the computer. Which only has a recovery partition
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@LewsTherin Ah.
You can boot into the recovery partition ;)
@LewsTherin the recovery partition should allow you to get to the recovery console, which is all you'll need
as long as you can boot to it..........
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I think you hit F11 or something, once the recovery menu appears.
That should bring up a prompt.
I will try it now! Thanks guys
I haven't tried that article myself, but after reading the steps, it seems like it knows what it's talking about, and I've done something quite similar in the past (with success)
18:03
Fingers crossed lol
funnily enough, the procedure to fix a broken UEFI partition is the same procedure as installing a new one, provided you actually have a UEFI system partition already allocated
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heh
I guess it wouldn't work if you don't have any free space and you don't have a system partition already
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@allquixotic I just threw random commands around the last time I tried :P
Actually, I'm currently booting in CSM/BIOS mode.
basically you're going to need 100 MB of free space (I know it's not a lot, but that's how much UEFI wants)
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18:04
But, it works. Not gonna touch it for now.
@allquixotic That's not a problem
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@allquixotic Windows 7 creates its boot manager on a 100-200 MB partition already, by default.
@Bob even in BIOS mode?
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Specifically parallels the UEFI setup, I believe.
@allquixotic Yup.
Oh. You might run into another problem, @LewsTherin.
if he installed the OS originally in BIOS mode, he may not have 100 MB of free space on the d--- oh, well, if he does, he can just use that then lol
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18:05
While UEFI should be able to boot from MBR, I think Windows itself might only support UEFI booting from GPT.
@Bob I'm booting in the best mode (I say this 100% jokingly) -- the system POSTs in CSM mode, loads the BIOS-only Option ROM of the hardware RAID controller, then boots Windows 8.1 in UEFI mode :D figure that one out! :D
@Bob Ugh
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@allquixotic ...how
So it might be safer to switch UEFI to BIOS
@LewsTherin are you currently booted to your external drive on this computer?
@allquixotic Nah, main OS
@LewsTherin either way, fire up a partition manager program (there are many) and check which partition table type you have, if you don't already know what it is
Easeus is fine; I'm not sure if Windows' built-in one will tell you.
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> The basic idea is to backup the current install to a disk image, erase the disk, then reload the backup.
@allquixotic Yea, it will.
Both Disk Management and diskpart will.
18:07
ahh
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@allquixotic If he's booting from BIOS, it's almost definitely MBR. Pretty sure Windows only supports MBR for BIOS boots.
Uh NTFS?
where would I find it in the Disk Management snap-in? I'm looking...
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More certain of this one than the reverse.
ugh.. I sounds like a noob
18:08
@Bob well, up until I got an Ivy Bridge mobo, I was booting GPT disks on a non-UEFI system (a system board that didn't even have a UEFI firmware, period)
and that was since like Vista
I can only see File System
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@allquixotic Try right-clicking on one of the physical drives.
k...? and?
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Mine has a nice 'convert to GPT' option
perhaps the reverse?
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18:10
ooh, if you go to the properties and then the volume tab, it's there
@LewsTherin if you go under Computer Management, Disk Management, and right-click your main disk, you'll see a "Convert to X" option where X is the partition table type you don't currently have
or that ^
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@allquixotic more straightforward to go into the disk properties and look at the volume tab :P
Mine doesn't have Volumes tab.. wtf
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@LewsTherin sure you're looking at the disk's properties, and not the volume/partition?
click the "Disk #" thing on the left of the lower pane
18:12
Right click on Local Disk (C:) right?
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No.
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Click properties from @allquixotic's screenshot :P
@allquixotic Mine is missing convert to as well
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Or just take the inverse of the "Convert to..."
18:13
@Bob ok
See.. no convert
@LewsTherin right-click on the disk itself -- a few pixels to the left of where you right clicked
not on the partition
Ah
Convert to Dynamic Disk..
GPT disk is disabled
so there's a "Convert to GPT Disk" option?
then you have MBR.
MBR + UEFI no worky, as far as Bob and I know
18:17
So it is one or the other
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Or we could've just gone diskpart, less 'click on that pixel' :P
Wow I'm jealous
Are you using RAID?
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Hm. I wonder which one Disk 3 is.
@LewsTherin Disk 0 is actually a RAID 1 volume on two disks.
But the main point of that screenshot is the Gpt column.
18:19
@LewsTherin you'd have to have a GPT partition table on both your external and internal disks in order to boot both of your OSes off of UEFI. from the sound of it, your external disk is already set to go and happily ready to boot in UEFI mode, but your main OS isn't.
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Also, @allquixotic has an absolutely massive volume :P
I have gpt column as well
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I just have a whole bunch of disparate volumes.
@LewsTherin It'll have an asterisk on the GPT disks.
No asterisk
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My system is full MBR.
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@LewsTherin That colour scares me.
Lol why? :P
lol, is that DOS DISKPART? :D
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@LewsTherin It's.. BSoD colour...
18:22
diskpart from Vista+ backported to DOS... o____O
I just changed it to blue background :D
@Bob Ah XD
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Also, I'd be somewhat concerned with a 120 GB physical disk.
Probably a pretty old one, therefore more likely to fail :\
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Ahhhh.
Forgot about those :P
Lmao :P
It does nothing. Just for the OS
18:23
@Bob are you crazy?! people don't use SSDs! they're not a thing yet!
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Hey, do I look like the kinda guy to go for small SSDs?
(see: my rather large disks, and the number of them)
I love fast booting :)
umm... I guess, one way to fix your problem, is to boot to the OS on the external drive :D with it being the system partition, you should be able to tell Windows to convert the main disk to GPT
Wtf.. I have to clean the disk. Ugh, bummer.
assuming that option doesn't trash your system, it'll be fine
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18:26
@LewsTherin warning: destroys data
@Bob Not the only one :) When I had my laptop..
@Bob 7 days uptime here
Windows updates
wow, you have twice as many threads as I do running o_O
20% more handles
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@allquixotic Should've seen my laptop.
The HP program that manages the fingerprint scanner had something like 60 copies of itself running...
it's amazing anything works on a system with as many separate threads of execution (presumably, most of them idle 99% of the time) as modern OSes have
Look at CPU usage. Definitely idle
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18:31
@allquixotic 78 threads on Nokia Suite. 64 on FF.
btw @Bob I looked up the passmark scores of my old ThinkPad X61T (with highest available clock on the Core 2 Duo) and the Ivy Bridge Pentium in my Yoga 2, and the Yoga 2, while costing about $2000 less, delivers about 15% better PassMark scores (mostly owing to the 4 hardware CPU cores; its single threaded perf is awful)
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......
amazing what 6 years can do
2008 vs. 2014 tech
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@allquixotic I'm surprised the difference is so low.
Holy shit. Serviio has 479 threads...
And the kernel has 293. I wonder which shit driver is causing that :P
@Bob well, recall that the Ivy Pentium I have is basically an Atom (although "Atom", itself, is not enormously architecturally different from mainline Ivy, starting with Ivy microarch; it's just hugely cut down)
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18:33
@allquixotic How does your system compare (threads, which processes?)
its single-thread performance is at 2007 levels at best
You'd think there would an option to set disk as back up
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And VisualSVNServer has 132 threads. It's httpd.
Probably prefork MPM :\
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@LewsTherin Backup for what?
18:35
@Bob if it were prefork, wouldn't it have one thread per system process, and a shitload of processes?
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@allquixotic I mean, which processes using the most threads? :P
@allquixotic Oh yea. Good point.
@Bob I'm trying to create a system image. But it is not showing my external disk as an option
yeah, your 293-thread kernel is pretty damn bloated compared to mine
and I have an Adobe InDesign CC update actively going on
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@allquixotic Yea, you have much more sane processes.
18:36
and my kernel is running Catalyst, which is pretty bloated
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@allquixotic Nvidia here.
@Bob I wonder if my running Windows 8.1 has anything to do with the lower overhead? obviously for third-party (non-MSFT) apps the difference will be razor-thin, but for MSFT stuff, it wouldn't surprise me if they've cut down on thread count
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@allquixotic Good point! Especially the kernel.
I get the feeling Serviio is just spinning up new threads every few hours and not terminating them...
I recall reading somewhere (though, maybe it was just marketing) that MSFT actually did some real engineering (not just their typical GUI redesign nonsense) in 8/8.1 to attempt to cut down on some of the background activity, because it makes a very measurable difference on battery-powered devices
my kernel and windows defender are using markedly fewer threads
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@allquixotic Damn. And my laptop is stuck on 8.
Doesn't help that I'm using a copy of Serviio from 2012, but newer versions are broken :\
18:42
86% reconfig to RAID10 :) hopefully my performance doesn't tank when it fully activates the new disks running in 512e mode
if it does i'll have to find 4TB disks that are native 512 somehow, or else upgrade my RAID controller for about $800 bucks to one that supports 4kn
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@allquixotic Hopefully it realises it's emulated and uses a stripe that's a multiple of 4k.
@Bob the stripe size for the entire array is 256k
multiple of both 512 and 4k :P
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Also hope that it accesses in 4kx blocks :P
according to my reading on Advanced Format, 512e reads should have very close to native 4kn performance... what will suck are 512e writes
especially if the writes can't be queued up and batched to hit a single RAID stripe at a time
I could probably get quite good performance even with 512e if I turned on write caching on the controller, but I don't have the balls for that... too much risk of data loss
really need a BBU or UPS
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@allquixotic What, no UPS? o.O
 
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19:49
Wow.. empty much?
Just converted the disk to gpt. Had to delete partition :(
Copying partition now. Hopefully nothing changes (bad happens)
20:07
!!doge empty, empty, empty, empty
     wow
such empty
               so  empty
                         very  empty
many  empty
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head empty
 
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21:46
Anyone around who can possibly give a little help on asp.net / web.config & imports/assemblies?
@WilliamHilsum the guys that know everything are not arround currently. :(
 
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23:49
I found my cat Nikki in the basement looking into the laundry room, and asked her if she saw a moth, a bug, or a mothbug, and she said "murmur-mah!"
Anyone here good with outlook 2013
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