Root Access

Bob

16:00

granted, I have no idea how FF's multiprocess will work with RAM usage

allquixotic

@Bob I wager that FF's multiprocess model will increase FF's overall memory usage

Bob

@allquixotic Of course. But by how much?

allquixotic

dunno

Psycogeek

I donno I updated adobee photo thing, and other than a bunch of CUTE, there was nothing that I was doing before that i could do with the old stuff. I still fail to see any letters written with word 10 look any different than word 95 , Where do they go from doing about everything a person would need? To cute and flooded with useless to most people features.

That Brazilian Guy

@Psycogeek Cute?

Bob

16:01

I mean, Chrome is currently using 20 MB for a single new tab on the default page (some Google page)

That Brazilian Guy

!!define cute

ChatBot John Cavil

@ThatBrazilianGuy [cute](http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki?curid=undefined) Possessing physical features, behaviors, personality traits or other properties that are mainly attributed to infants and small or cuddly animals; e.g. fair, dainty, round, and soft physical features, disproportionately large eyes and head, playfulness, fragility, helplessness, curiosity or shyness, innocence, affectionate behavior.
Our reaction to cute attributes is understood as the way nature ensures mammals care for their young.

Bob

That's pretty crazy, multiprocess or not.

allquixotic

ok, I can't argue with that -- Word 2013 types the same letters as Word 95 did

That Brazilian Guy

Yes, but corporations need to keep releasing new versions to generate buzz. Who cares if there's demand for new features? We need to keep relevant. WE NEED TO MAKE THE HEADLINES!

Bob

16:02

@allquixotic It looks like you're writing a letter. Would you like help?

allquixotic

@Bob It looks like I need to get back to work and stop arguing with a traditionalist. Would I like help? Yes!

Psycogeek

@ThatBrazilianGuy Stupid skin stuff, often inclusive of locked font items (to small for super high reses). Useless tutorials that one could get on YouTube , layers of extra program items that are not the "best" version of those items, but integrated so higly into the program you cant stop them from running by accident.

_ and Languages, i am all for universal diversity, but when I have told an installer English, I dont expect it to unload 247 languages onto my machine. I removed 5000+ files and about 4000 registry entries , that was put on my machine, by a Machine.

Machine meaning , it might have been initiated by a human, but you could tell it was just scripted noise blindly dropped into the machine, and in most registry cases completly unnessisary entries.

Bob

whoops

@allquixotic completed a Lubuntu minimal install, but I think I might have forgotten the window manager :P

and the launcher

time for tty1

allquixotic

!!meme okay

ChatBot John Cavil

jokerdino

16:12

@allquixotic I think that happens when someone reverses their vote momentarily.

Like downvoting and then removing it again.

allquixotic

@jokerdino ah. just wasn't used to seeing that, since usually if I have a 0-rep day I just see nothing for that day

jokerdino

yeah, a 0-rep day has no record. But this is a peculiar thing

allquixotic

you're a smart dinosaur. who taught you to think? I thought you were just supposed to go around roaring and eating mammals hiding in holes

jokerdino

Blame the education. It has spoiled everyone!

Bob

completely stumped :P

jokerdino

16:15

You made it using GIMP?

Bob

@jokerdino ..it's my current desktop

I seem to be missing a few things

jokerdino

@Bob Is that SUSE?

Bob

@jokerdino Lubuntu minimal

jokerdino

Funny to see an empty desktop after quitting Unity.

Bob

trying to figure out where the launcher is

Psycogeek

16:16

@ThatBrazilianGuy Can I pay them for just fixing the bugs instead :-) some of the "pro" video programs i have used for ages, will relaace a list of 15 added features, but the one bug everyone was crying about still made the use of the software Iffy, crashing and having to workaround failures. I have paid for Good many times, but the features list still seems to rule the market.

jokerdino

@Bob It should be at the bottom.

Bob

@jokerdino well, as you can see....

heck, right clicking, alt+f2, nada

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic It's not mutually exclusive! One can go around, roar, eat mammals, and contribute with high-quality community participation.

jokerdino

@Bob Log out and back in.

Go to TTY1

Bob

@jokerdino been there tried that (full reboot too)

@jokerdino already in there :D

allquixotic

16:18

@ThatBrazilianGuy lol

jokerdino

Lol then. Install a launcher or something.

Like gnome-do or synapse.

Bob

@jokerdino yea, that might be part of the issue

@jokerdino trying to avoid gnome here, tyvm :P

jokerdino

Lubuntu uses GTK technologies..

I can't remember whatever laucher XFCe is using.

Psycogeek

Want to see users Whine loudest. "i just paid $100 for the upgrade , and it they didnt put more trash in the software" , Thats funny cause i paid $100 for the upgrade because they fixed the trash that was there. I was the only happy one.

Bob

wiki.lxde.org/en/LXPanel

hmm

lxpanel is already the newest version.

weird

jokerdino

16:21

You need to get to the terminal and try it from there.

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic this answer of yours is highly relevant to my current quest of deciding how to turn my tv into something a geek could use (vs just news and soap opera).

Bob

@jokerdino hm?

jokerdino

@Bob start the terminal and type the command?

i suggested a launcher -- synapse.

Bob

@jokerdino start what terminal how? :P

jokerdino

keyboard shortcut?

allquixotic

16:23

@ThatBrazilianGuy personally, if I had some money to throw at it, I'd recommend a NUC

most customizable and performant solution you're gonna find for an HTPC, while being quite small and fitting on a shelf or maybe even under the TV itself

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic I want a 10-foot user interface of some sort.

10-foot user interface

In computing, a 10-foot user interface (also sometimes referred to as "10 foot UI", "10 foot interface", "10 foot experience", or "10 foot design") is a software GUI (graphical user interface) designed for display on a large television (or similar sized screen) with interaction using a regular television-style remote control. "10 foot" refers to the fact that the GUI's elements—i.e. menus, buttons, text fonts, and so on—are theoretically ergonomically large enough to read easily at a distance of 10 feet (3 meters) from the display (which in this context is normally a large-...

Bob

@jokerdino idk

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy you can get that on a NUC, it's just software

That Brazilian Guy

Currently I have a Pi running OpenELE (XBMC), and accepting input via the remote control

It does video and audio almost fine (some codev issues because of the Pi, inserting a DLNA server with recoding might solve it).

jokerdino

@Bob Ctrl-Alt-T ?

brb

That Brazilian Guy

16:25

But I don't want only an HTPC. XBMC interface for Youtube and Video, for instance, is clumsy at best

Bob

@jokerdino nada

That Brazilian Guy

I'd try a smart TV if it would not cost me the price of a new TV just 6 months after paying the expensive price of a new one.

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy then run GNU/Linux and have it so that you can selectively use or not use the 10 foot UI

Psycogeek

@ThatBrazilianGuy what do you do when the links die in a smart tv? buy a new one?

(when the source of all the data they link to is no longer available at the address it points)

That Brazilian Guy

So I'm considering (1) an HDMI cable from my laptop to the TV, it allows me to do almost anything, but it's not practical and not 10-foot-interface. (2) something such as airtame, chromecast, or miracast (each have its own pros and cons... and I can buy none here), (3) use an Android dongle directly connected to the TV

@Psycogeek I have never operated an SmartTV, but if it's not possible to configure the network settings and the media sources, it's the biggest failfacepalm of the decade for the media appliance industry

allquixotic

16:31

@ThatBrazilianGuy (4) buy a NUC, install GNU/Linux on it and make the session manager let you choose whether to start in 10 foot mode or not? :S costlier than the android dongle but won't be nearly as slow :)

and supremely customizable

Psycogeek

@ThatBrazilianGuy They have updates, for a while . . . like for the time they need to unload them :-)

Bob

OH FOR F

!#@!@$!#!

allquixotic

what's wrong fox

Bob

@jokerdino Turns out it was in LX Games by default ^

which is apparently broken/utterly useless: askubuntu.com/questions/372788/…

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic I already have a miniITX sitting under the TV, running Ubuntu server with Samba and my 8TB HDD. I guess I could recustomize it to be a more generic GUI-powered day-use Linux.

But I'd need a second HDD on it, maybe? The 4GB flashdrive I run the OS from has about 50MB free, looks like a couple apt-get upgrades and then all the space is gone.

Canadian Luke

16:34

Morning all

That Brazilian Guy

@CanadianLuke What about the southern hemisphere users? Hmpf!

Canadian Luke

At least in the southern hemisphere, they aren't waking up to -25 C temperatures!

That Brazilian Guy

No, we were waking up to 42 C temperatures

Thank random() for the cloudy climate during the Carnival week

If I had to endure hot Sun besides a really, really, really, really, really huge crowd

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy yeah, definitely get a HDD in it :D

@CanadianLuke it's 11:37 AM... but you aren't leet enough to be in the same timezone, are you?

That Brazilian Guy

Plus all the garbage collectors are on strike in Rio

During Carnival.

Bob

16:38

@allquixotic 3:37 AM

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy eww. Rio de Fedor(o)

Canadian Luke

@allquixotic 08:38

WEST COAST REPRESENT!

allquixotic

@Bob so you're just eet

2

That Brazilian Guy

allquixotic

I don't think people are putting glass in the vidrio hole anymore :S

That Brazilian Guy

16:40

allquixotic

oh my god

why won't you people pay the trash collectors a little more money?

That Brazilian Guy

jokerdino

@Bob what the heck? People install minimal for games?

allquixotic

@jokerdino obviously :D

Bob

@jokerdino I don't see how they would even launch games.

jokerdino

16:42

Maybe it's meant for game addicts? XD

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic That's assuming people respect trash separation in the first place. 99% of the city has those generic orange trashcans ~~where people trhow any kind of stuff~~ people keep ignoring and throwing on the ground anyways

Psycogeek

@ThatBrazilianGuy timing.

That Brazilian Guy

@Psycogeek Yeah, this morning after 4 days they got an amazing, mind-bogglingly 9% raise.

Bob

@jokerdino So, the game is trying to launch things?

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic You're talking about the same government who sent the military police over protesting school teachers complaining for a rise.

jokerdino

16:45

@Bob it's to prevent addicts from playing games.. by preventing them from launching it

Bob

ah

Psycogeek

@ThatBrazilianGuy if they pull the same trick in 2 years , they might get another 18% , like right as the olympics starts up?

That Brazilian Guy

It's profesionals such as garbage collectors and public transportation drivers that can pull effective strikes. Teachers go on strike and no one cares. Judges and lawyers go on strike and no one even notices.

Damn, universities here go on strike so frequently it's literally expected each year as part of an informal calendar

allquixotic

@ThatBrazilianGuy -_-

@ThatBrazilianGuy basically people are unhappy with their (lack of) buying power in the global market so they're always wanting more pay, and the government and corps are always broke because the top 0.1% hoards all the money?

sounds like the USA, only significantly worse in severity

Canadian Luke

17:07

clientsfromhell.net/post/24973149193/…

That Brazilian Guy

17:29

OK, so both my laptops and my SMB fileserver are now working on the same router that has internet access. I haven't set up NAT, do I have to worry about people acessing my files? The fileserver has SSH access but it asks for a password, and the smb shares ask for a password as well.

terdon

Any OSX people around?

Could anyone check that the script in my answer works as expected on OSX?

0

A: Concise IP information in OS X Terminal

As far as I know, there is no single command that will give you all the info you want. You will need to run a few different ones. The easiest approach is probably to create a little script that does this for you. I am writing this on Linux using the ipconfig command which is not available on Linu...

Canadian Luke

@terdon I use OSX, but I'm at work right now :( Sorry

@ThatBrazilianGuy What's the issue? SMB sharing is turned off for most major ISPs, so they'd have to get into your network first

terdon

@CanadianLuke no problem, not urgent.

Canadian Luke

If you can wait until about 5:30pm PDT, I can test it

That Brazilian Guy

@CanadianLuke Well, I am performing portscans against my IP on three different web interfaces, just to be sure.

I should also probably change SSH auth from password to rsa keys

Canadian Luke

17:34

@ThatBrazilianGuy If you only access it from trusted systems, absolutely!

That Brazilian Guy

I only access it from my laptop on my local network, period

Canadian Luke

I have a low-level user that I use to access my server, but all it can do is su, then I can get the shell; two separate passwords. Root login is disabled otherwise

But with that username and password, I can then do SSH Tunneling and access my SMB shares

Then yes, use keys only

That Brazilian Guy

@CanadianLuke Can't say if brilliant or messy

Canadian Luke

Well, the user that has SSH access has no shell, just su. Therefore, they need two passwords to get root access. I'm also one of the few people who change passwords constantly

That Brazilian Guy

I change both my Google and Facebook passwords regularly. The password is something meaningful to me, but hashed to md5. And I use two-factor auth. Good luck to anyone snooping over my shoulder.

Boris_yo

17:56

@Psycogeek Wrong person, at wrong time...

The anomaly...

The one.

Canadian Luke

?

Boris_yo

heh...

I knew you would raise question mark

So now I know your "trigger word"

Canadian Luke

Command not found. Syntax error at char 1

terdon

18:13

?

Boris_yo

How come picture I took on 2nd march 2014, is specified to be taken at 20th October 2014? Time is different as well.

th3byrdm4n

19:15

@JourneymanGeek hahaha, I bet ;) Take care!

Scorpion

hi all

I have PC not turning on; no monitor signal; no USB power outputted, yet CPU fan, case fans, graphics card fans are all on, and there is no beeping

Canadian Luke

What size is the power supply (wattage)? Did this just stop working? What is the video card? Have you tried removing all the RAM and turning it on, hoping for 3 beeps?

Scorpion

not sure about PSU, i changed it a few months ago and no visible stickers to show brand (might be on the bottom which is touching the case, so cant see) - and yes it stopped working, video card is 9800GTX

and no i did not remove ram, i reset it though

should i try removing ram? @CanadianLuke

Canadian Luke

Remove all the RAM (with the system turned off, of course). Then, power on the system. You should hear 3 beeps, and see nothing on the screen.

Psycogeek

@Scorpion I would measure the 5V on the PSU with a voltmeter, not because it would prove anything but no usb power would lead me to do that. Also 5V and 12V are different curcuits usually. There are probably many other reasons why a USb is not yet powered or initied.

Scorpion

19:28

my case fans have custom LEDs which I turn on using a switch, i can turn them on too but just seems to be no USB or monitor signal

i just removed ram @canadianluke i hear no beeps, i think my mobo speaker might be burnt, anyway i still see nothing on screen

@Psycogeek dont have one..

Canadian Luke

So your motherboard is not functioning correctly. Can you remove the video card and try that again?

Scorpion

yea, with ram sticks in? @canadianluke

Canadian Luke

Without RAM

Scorpion

i have onboard vga

ok

Canadian Luke

We need the motherboard to function first

Psycogeek

19:41

@Scorpion Then is the standby power light that exists on many motherboards lite up? even when in the power off mode, when PSU is plugged-in and switched on?

Canadian Luke

Off topic: what should I write about next in my blog?

Scorpion

@psycogeek just when i turn on, but the button is non responsive once i turn it on

Canadian Luke

►

Scorpion

no luck guys

@CanadianLuke

Canadian Luke

No blown capacitors on the motherboard?

Scorpion

19:50

i was actually going to check

will it literally look like blown capacitors? :(

@CanadianLuke

Canadian Luke

Like a can that is buldging

Scorpion

let me check

no actually, they all look perfectly normal @canadianluke

Canadian Luke

Power Supply is connected properly?

Michael Frank

They might not look too blown, just a bit lumpy:

Notice the difference? The one on the right is bulging.

Scorpion

@canadianluke yes just checked

let me check again for that slight difference @michaelfrank

Canadian Luke

19:57

If not, I would probably look at either exchanging the power supply (if it's still new), or picking up a power supply tester (around $15 CAD)

Psycogeek

@MichaelFrank both of them are providing clues, that is probably splooge from the cap on the bottom of the other one, as it opens up on the bottom.

Michael Frank

@Psycogeek Ahh yes, you're right.

Scorpion

touched every single one and they all are the same flat type

also checked for the bottom

Canadian Luke

Check the wattage of your power supply. What motherboard/CPU do you have?

Scorpion

mobo is asrock d800

cpu is i beleive intel core 2 duo

Canadian Luke

20:01

So quite old... OK

I'm leaning towards the PSU, or the motherboard, honestly

Scorpion

what other factors could lead to defective mobo?

starts sobbing

Canadian Luke

When did it last work? What was your last upgrade/change before it stopped working?

Scorpion

last upgrade was psu

and stopped working last friday

i hadnt turned it on for about a week

Psycogeek

@Scorpion and did you remove the video card and all but 1 ram stick yet? you have to then go blind, but you can hear if hard drive inits (click after spin), or if motherboard beep if there is speaker?

Scorpion

i can hear my hard drive making the usual sound

which is like 2 fast spins

there is a speaker

just nothing comes out

and i removed 1 ram stick too

Canadian Luke

20:06

Motherboard or PSU

It's one of those

Scorpion

more likely psu... :(

Canadian Luke

Got another one you can swap it out with?

Psycogeek

the motherboard might be an asrock, but it is still one of them that is not designed for very long use. like that power setup for the cpu would be weak.

And you cleared the cmos to reset to "default" settings?

Remove all them case wiring to test also. like if my dog pees on a firewire :-) or something of the case ports has broken etc.

Scorpion

i reset the cmos before i tried anthing

anything*

i dont get why psu would be working fine and suddenly weaken..

could it be of cold tempartures?

Psycogeek

@Scorpion is it -20* F?

Scorpion

20:21

celcius please :p

Psycogeek

Could it have got condensation on it when moving it from a very cold location to a warm one?

Scorpion

well I live in central europe

and at night it gets pretty cold for europe (no snow or anything)

and during day its warm

Psycogeek

I mean like did you pull it out of the garage :-) or out of a car after sitting in the cold.

Scorpion

nope always on the desk

Psycogeek

ok -20* C basically if your lying beside it frozeon to death or sitting next to it in a parka wearing thermal underwear, it will work in the cold, it would have to be extreeme cold. or a moisture issue from condensation.

Scorpion

20:25

or humidity ?

Psycogeek

@Scorpion could work in very high humidity without a problem until a condition caused the water to condence on the board.

Canadian Luke

-1

Q: How can I lower my tap water, with a pH of 7, down to a pH of 4 without having to constantly use a pH tester or litmus paper to test my pH level?

Help answer my title please. Or the question below. How can I lower my tap water, with a pH of 7, down to a pH of 4 without having to constantly use a pH tester or litmus paper to test my pH level?

Scorpion

damn

Boris_yo

20:43

When changing cellular carrier, should I keep current number or use new one? If keeping it, what should I do with account on my previous carrier? Close it or freeze it?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I was wondering that a few weeks ago, when switching from landline to cell. (and needing to keep the landline for a month or 2 extra). Was MY original number way better for spammers, and scammers, and donation seekers, and misdials, and calling a person who had it last. Or would getting a number off the roulette wheel of available numbers be be better. Because my line has been unlisted for much of its use, I stayed with it.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek If it is unlisted, you shouldn't get calls from scammers, scammers and randoms

Psycogeek

20:58

@Boris_yo around here they find everyone eventually, like dialing any 7 digits to find a stargate address , eventually you hear a big whoosh as the gate opens up to a black hole :-) Then people from other planets start popping in un-annouced.

Luckily they added that ID thing, and the Iris :-)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek For $3 per month and $17 one-time fee for SIM card, I get 50 minutes talk-time, 50 SMS and 10MBs of internet

Michael Frank

@Psycogeek Yea, but it's no good if you don't know where you're calling from. ;)

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo good price, what is the catch? $1 per Kilobit overage charges?

Boris_yo

Nope. Per 1 byte

Canadian Luke

$38/mo, unlimited evenings (6:00pm) and weekends, unlimited texting/picture messaging/video messages, 400MB of data, 400 daytime minutes, nationwide calling, caller ID, 3 voicemail messages (stored at a time) for me. Extra 50 cents per minute, extra $1.25 per MB

Boris_yo

21:04

Actually it's 2 cents per 1MB

Michael Frank

@CanadianLuke $29/mo 180 minutes (unused minutes carry over), unlimited text messages, 500MB of data.

Boris_yo

@MichaelFrank So if you did not use 70 minutes across 3 months, you can use those + get your default amount of minutes this month?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo did you read the fine print? "this plan includes the special feature of getting recorded commertials sent to your phone from our advertisers, during calls, thrill and amaze your friends"

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek I don't think I have this one...

Psycogeek

I got a multimedia message (first one ever), it was only then that i realised (duhh) that those come via the tower not the web, had to connect tower data , to get it. No problem, there goes my data for a meme , a bloddy web meme :-)

In the meantime, while it is on, back in the background 10 programs try to pull in ads , nooooo i was saving that data , for when i need it.

If my telecom wasn't full of liers, used to dealing with irate customers with a happy face on, i would know how much i am paying. but i will reserve saying what it is till after i get the Surprises in the bill.

$300 why you charge me 300? Its the retired telecom workers fund, remember when you opted-in to it?

what is this $30 here? Modem rental fees. But i use a cable modem? this is for the modem in your phone , you didnt think you could really buy that phone for $100 did you?

And this $18 what's it? Voicemails, you got 23 this month because our tower could not connect , because it was too busy dowloading you-tubes for real paying customers.

Ok ok, then whats with the $12 fee here says "Delayed responce" ? Look bub time is money, your taking too long to answer the phone, 3 rings and your out.

Well that's it, i am going with Verizon now, good-by. Ok well your fee for talking to customer service is $118 , pay that and your free to go.

ok your total is $1100. $1100 ? disconnect fee.

Can i get my deposit back now? The $500 i put down so i would not have to fill out credit check forms. That will be refunded back to your account in 6-8 months. Why so long? Its in apple stock now.

Canadian Luke

22:23

@MichaelFrank Lucky you! I don't get the carry over, but I only use about 20 minutes per month

Psycogeek

23:07

That is one good thing. At&t was able to adjust how long it takes (how many rings) before it goes hopping off to voicemail. Default 20sec they set it to 30sec (claimed max) . Before we had phone settings for that (sent to tower after settings change) but this phone doesnt have it.

Canadian Luke

23:18

I changed it on my phone to just 1 ring, just for the hell of it... But Telus had to reset it on their end after that :(

Journeyman Geek

23:47

@ThatBrazilianGuy eh. I did say it was dns or wins, no? ;p My guess is the router's DNS server isn't handling the systems right, and everything is falling back to wins when its turned off. No idea how to check though.

I pay about 45sgd for my phone, old 3g plan, 100 minutes, I think something like 200-300 sms, but I'm not sure, 12gb of data ;)

and a data bill cap, so they can't charge me more than $85.60 for data

oh and free incoming calls

Braiam

"free incoming calls"????????????????????^5

MADNESS I SAY!

Journeyman Geek

Its standard here actually

Canadian Luke

Same here

Braiam

calls @JourneymanGeek phone so he gets a astronomic bill

Journeyman Geek

lol

Braiam

23:53

that's so stupid, I wouldn't take the phone in that case...

the one that wants to call me, has to pay, why I have to pay for someone that I may be not interested to talk?

like, loan sharks

Journeyman Geek

@Braiam: loan sharks here.... have other ways of talking

involving superglue in your locks, bicycle locks, red paint, and the words OWE $ PAY $ painted on your walls

Braiam

@JourneymanGeek they should learn of those in my country... they are so naive :/

here you can be killed for less than US$ 4

@Blogbot that's so cool!

Journeyman Geek

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