Root Access

Journeyman Geek

00:02

@th3byrdm4n: naw, we don't ban people for that. We do occationally mock people for referring to yahoo answers though.

Michael Frank

00:19

@JourneymanGeek but Yahoo has the best answers!

That Brazilian Guy

13 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek

aimee man does wierd music videos.

What, weirder than Björk?

What, weirder than Björk, directed by Michael Gondry??

Michael Frank

I've seen Björk... She was super weird.

That Brazilian Guy

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The third music video is inception aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the way

Michael Frank

I'm at work, no youtube for me!

That Brazilian Guy

They're equally brilliant and bizarrely disturbing.

allquixotic

00:23

Prepare to face the might of Millhouse Manastorm!

That Brazilian Guy

Oh, sorry. I keep forgetting you people aren't coming back to work only on March 10.

@MichaelFrank Wait what are you doing at work on a Sunday night? Are you Japanese?

Michael Frank

@ThatBrazilianGuy It's Monday afternoon here.

That Brazilian Guy

What, you live farther (further?) in the future than @Bob?

Michael Frank

Yep

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy You called?

That Brazilian Guy

00:26

O__o

@Bob No, I only have @Sathya's phone number. And callling India is a bit expensive.

Michael Frank

You pinged him ;)

Bob

o.O

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy she has a music video sung from the perspective of the common cold after someone cures it....

That Brazilian Guy

!!tell 14071296 orlmente

ChatBot John Cavil

Journeyman Geek

00:29

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ok, so not

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek She has a video where she breaks into a bank, steal a huge diamond and feed it to her truck's giant mouth

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Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy: bjork is a whole different level of wierd ;p

Aimee Mann is normal people wierd ;p

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, and when you join her to the man who created this...

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If you look for "mindfuck" at the dictionary, there's only a qrcode with the link to this video.

Journeyman Geek

;p

I said wierd, not dadaist!

That Brazilian Guy

Seriously, it's very, very brilliant, but you have to watch it at least 3 times to begin to understand the brilliantness

@JourneymanGeek It's not dadaist or nonsesical in the least way. It does make sense in the same way the (AWESOME) movie "Memento" makes sense. Well, multiplied the complexity by a trillion, give or take

Journeyman Geek

00:34

;p

That Brazilian Guy

Basically, the left side goes forward, and the right side goes backward, yet they meet and reverse at the middle of the video, and yet they are all the time in perfect synch, doing the exact same thing

Seriously, Michel Gondry eats mindfucks for breakfast.

Journeyman Geek

;p

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek Oh, concerning that question of mine about routers... I don't think it is blocking DNS requests unless it would somehow block only those for the internal network IP range. If it makes sense.

Because it does work for the internet.

In fact, I am using it right now

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy: hence me wondering if its WINS.

You're not supposed to be using it for internal addressing, but samba devices seem to.

That Brazilian Guy

!!wiki WINS

ChatBot John Cavil

00:39

Winston Churchill

{{Infobox prime minister |honorific-prefix = The Right Honourable |name = Sir Winston Churchill |honorific-suffix = KG OM CH TD DL FRS RA |image = Sir Winston S Churchill.jpg |alt = |imagesize = 245px |order = Prime Minister of the United Kingdom |term_start = 26 October 1951 |term_end = 7 April 1955 |monarch = |deputy = Anthony Eden |predecessor = Clement Attlee |successor = Anthony Eden |term_start2 = 10 May 1940 |term_end2 = 26 July 1945 |deputy2 = Clement Attlee |monarch2 = George VI |predecessor2 = Neville Chamberlain |successor2 = Clement Attlee |order3 = Leader of the Opposit...

Journeyman Geek

....

That Brazilian Guy

O__o

Journeyman Geek

BAD BOT BAAAD

Windows Internet Name Service

Windows Internet Name Service (WINS) is Microsoft's implementation of NetBIOS Name Service (NBNS), a name server and service for NetBIOS computer names. Effectively, WINS is to NetBIOS names what DNS is to domain names — a central mapping of host names to network addresses. Like DNS, it is implemented in two parts, a Server Service (that manages the embedded Jet Database, server to server replication, service requests, and conflicts) and a TCP/IP Client component which manages the client's registration and renewal of names, and takes care of queries. Overview Network address mappings...

That Brazilian Guy

TIL Winston Churcill is a basic component of Windows Networking. No wonder it's so convoluted, the thing is ancient!

Journeyman Geek

and its less a matter of blocking than a matter of something handling all that.

does your router have a list of devices and hostnames?

That Brazilian Guy

00:41

I think I recall seeing some WINS checkbox on either webmin or OpenELEC and saying "yeah, whatever, have no idea what it is, leave it at default".

@JourneymanGeek Let me check

Journeyman Geek

>_>

I'm at 20 devices now on my network o0

That Brazilian Guy

While I'm at it, let me change the password for something other than admin / admin.

And don't let anyone know it stayed like that for two weeks. +__+

Journeyman Geek

;p

That Brazilian Guy

Hey, at least it came with WPA2PSK enabled and remote access disabled! It only took a few years for ISPs to realize that's sane.

@JourneymanGeek It has a "wireless clients" list that is SSID MAC Address Tx Packets Rx Packets Tx Rate (Mbps) Power Saving Expired Time (sec)

And other that is "IPv4 LAN Clients list"

Status Host Name IP Address MAC Address Address Source Lease time Interface

And how am I at 10 devices if I only have four?!

Michael Frank

unreleased DHCP leases?

Bob

00:49

That Brazilian Guy

And how does my girlfwife's laptop has three entries?

Bob

:D

That Brazilian Guy

No, each is a different mac address.

Michael Frank

@bob what is that beautiful image I'm looking at?!

That Brazilian Guy

@MichaelFrank htop

Bob

00:50

@MichaelFrank htop while running a CPU-intensive program

hm.. pretty memory-intensive too

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Wait, 24 processor cores and 48GB RAM?

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy ;)

(it's actually 12 physical cores + HT)

That Brazilian Guy

~~Let me mine bitcoins on it!!!~~

Bob

they're pretty old CPUs though

modern E5s are too expensive (this is an externally hosted dedi server... so I'm not actually buying the hardware, nor paying for power)

@ThatBrazilianGuy GPUs are better for that anyway

Michael Frank

@Bob Doesn't mean he can't...

That Brazilian Guy

00:54

@Bob No, JavaScript is better for ~~mining bitcoins~~ making others unadvertidly mine bitcoin for you.

Bob

!!tell 14071641 no

ChatBot John Cavil

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Do you know what TidBit is?

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Also, 500 miners on that script would give you 0.00007339 USD per day.

You're abusing the trust of visitors doing something likely illegal for very minor gains.

wait, one less zero

not that it matters

Michael Frank

Same situation as the IT admin at that school in America. Used the school labs to farm bitcoins, got found out, got fired.

That Brazilian Guy

01:04

According to ~~my in-depth research~~ the only article I read, it was intended be a fully disclosed opt-in as an alternative for ADs, and wasn't even still operational when the students who created it got an official order to hand all the codes and infrastructure to the government.

@MichaelFrank I don't find it ethically wrong to put to better use the unused CPU cycles that would go to waste anyway. It's not like stealing something you have and therefore would stop having, neither it's like gaining access to any non-shared data.

If it makes your electric bill go crazy, then it's not so harmless in my opinion

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Yes it is, you are costing people more in electricity and maintenance.

That Brazilian Guy

I concede it's not so "harmless" to command your computer to do things you don't know it's doing, buit it's not like a lot of toolbars and grayware people (I mean normal people) willingly install on their PCs daily.

@Bob Electricity? OK, set it to mine just a really small number per client, in such a way that it won't increase the eletricity bill for them, or raise the CPU usage more than 10%, or affect them in any negative ways.

Maintenance? Seriously, an embedded javascript on a web page would incur in maintenance costs?

I am not defending it that seriously, I still see the problem in using a stranger's computer to do something without the consent and knowledge of the owner. It's just that the consequences of doing it are almost imperceptible IMHO.

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy Those are enough to affect them in negative ways.

And you can't measure how much processing power you're using anyway.

People are still on core2duos

heck, people are still on pent4s

@ThatBrazilianGuy Yes.

Journeyman Geek

hm. that 32 mb sd card I just found isn't reading.

Bob

Spin up fan => fan dies faster

Journeyman Geek

01:13

@Bob: and atoms! ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Oh yes. And atoms :P

there's no way from JS to tell how much you're using

Journeyman Geek

hm, Would dirt keep a SD card from reading?

Bob

"10%" of a Haswell is going to peg a pent4 at max, and suck down power and kill the fan while you're at it

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob How?

@JourneymanGeek But your time machine seems to be working quite well, at least.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek usually not

Michael Frank

01:14

@JourneymanGeek It would if it was covering the connections.

Bob

1 min ago, by Bob

Spin up fan => fan dies faster

Michael Frank

Did you find it in mud?

Could be water damaged inside.

Bob

more power usage => battery drains faster => battery dies faster

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Ok, so make the script measure your maximum processing power, some sort of math benchmark for 10 seconds, "Oh, so with the current set of open programs and tabs I can make x calculations per second, so let's make 0.1, or 0.01, or 0.01 calculations", there, now the fan won't die, the electricity bill won't make them poor.

Michael Frank

That's TOTALLY invading privacy.

That Brazilian Guy

01:18

I am just saying that distributing a really complex calculation process that would take a powerful machine hours or days of nonstop calculationg and crowdsourcing it, using CPU cycles that would sit unused, is not a terrible idea per se, if you face it considering the technical concept and not considering the legal or ethical aspects.

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy It doesn't work like that

what if I have this browser open and start running something more intensive later?

what now?

That Brazilian Guy

@MichaelFrank No, wait, that's not invading privacy. If you steal my gasoline or plug a cable on my eletrical outlet to power your entire house, you are a damn thief ~~and I will kill you~~, but that's got nothing to do with privacy.

Bob

most background processing tasks run at a lower priority

JS in the browser runs at the normal priority

it's in direct contention with other programs

Michael Frank

Accessing someone's stuff without their permission is invading their privacy.

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy it's a terrible idea in more ways than one

you're also ignoring just how ineffectual it is

Michael Frank

01:20

The very fact that you've entered their private space is a breach, regardless if you don't see, hear, or touch anything.

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob Ok, you have a point

Journeyman Geek

hm

Bob

they claim "20khashes/client" (without even considering different CPUs, mind you) - you'd need somewhere in the region of 10,000 to mine as quickly as a standard GPU

and you make fractions of a fractions of fractions of a cent per day per 500 clients

Journeyman Geek

damn. I found a dead-ish SD card o0

That Brazilian Guy

@Bob OK, you have another point, although for large enough audiences it could work. (But for large enough audiences they either woulnd't care, by having a decent revenue model already, or dare, because sites with a facebook-size are easy legal targets)

Michael Frank

01:24

@JourneymanGeek it's 32MB just bin it! :P

That Brazilian Guy

So, in the end, is highly innefective and absurdly controversial and ethically-debatable.

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: its corroded

I though SD cards were nearly unkillable ;p

and no, it was in a box

Bob

you could try to make similar arguments for ads

Journeyman Geek

I'm also finding some wierd cables.

Bob

but remember that ads won't usually affect other things they're doing

(and if they do, it's highly visible by nature)

Journeyman Geek

01:25

2X USB A -> 1X Usb A Female.

and a microish USB connector that I've never seen before

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek If it was found with an SD card, it could be Firewire?

That Brazilian Guy

Well, ADs eat up the bandwith needed to download it, they distract me from the content I am trying to read, they make it more difficult to reach said content, either by moving it further down on the page or by making me wait to see my video, they mimic download buttons confusing the user, they are possible of being exploited and carrying viruses...

Journeyman Geek

naw, it was found in a random drawer of crap.

That Brazilian Guy

In the end, I think if the industry started to adopt it, it would become an standard regardless of what Ethics would say. 20 years ago or so, when the first cable companies started operating here, one of the key selling points was "We have no ADs, only content!". Now it has as many ADs as open TV.

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy: and people would block JS. The end.

;p

That Brazilian Guy

01:27

!!s/people/geeks/

ChatBot John Cavil

@ThatBrazilianGuy @ThatBrazilianGuy: and geeks would block JS. The end. (source)

Journeyman Geek

ahh, its a mini A

.... there's a mini A?

Michael Frank

@ThatBrazilianGuy Here's an alternative viewpoint... What if more than one company started doing this?

That Brazilian Guy

@MichaelFrank That's what I just said, no?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek probably power

Journeyman Geek

01:30

@Bob: oh, why, I get. What it was for...

Michael Frank

@ThatBrazilianGuy I don't see anything.

Journeyman Geek

on the other hand, you could inject power into a micro USB device with this

That Brazilian Guy

> In the end, I think if the industry started to adopt it, it would become an standard regardless of what Ethics would say.

Journeyman Geek

which may be useful

Bob

@ThatBrazilianGuy ads are download-once

this bloody t hing would run the whole time the page was open

which would be all of 5 secs if I were the one seeing it

That Brazilian Guy

01:32

@Bob The distinction matters a lot for users like you and me, but in the end for CEOs and marketing people and sales people and decision makers, it would boil down to just "Hey, we could implement something that might annoy a lot of people, but would make us earn a lot more of money."

That's exactly what ADs already do, and everyone employs ADs.

Non-tech people care not about technicalities

In their minds is "it's annoying to users, but gives us moneys"

Legal departments will be there to say "Don't do this or the shit hits the fan", but if it wasn't for legalities, they would do it.

(obviously this is all speculation, I personally would never use anything that (1) doesn't ask for user confirmation, (2) makes the bill more expensive, (3) makes the computer slower)

Although there are a lot of software that already does any combination of the 3 items listed above (heck, even too much whitescreen would make CRT monitors use more energy), I think it's the fact it's usiong computerresources to produce something that is not in benefict of the owner but solely of a third party that makes it controversial...

But again, the same thing apply to ADs!

(That I hate, by the way. Long live AdBlock Plus)

Bob

Journeyman Geek

@ThatBrazilianGuy: ... people still use CRTs? ;p

HackToHell

@Bob :O

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek People still using Outlook Express on Windows XP on Pentium 4s. With CRTs.

kobaltz

48GB Ram with 2GB SWAP?

HackToHell

01:46

24 cores ? :O

Is it your companies build box or something ?

Bob

57 mins ago, by Bob

@MichaelFrank htop while running a CPU-intensive program

@HackToHell no, it's a dedi server I was using for other things

and it's fairly old CPUs

a modern E5 would probably be at least twice as fast, probably more than that

That Brazilian Guy

It's a bit annoying when you guys are talking about "cores" and I have to keep telling my brain it has nothing to do with colors.

Bob

lol

also, it's 12 cores + HT, not actually 24 physical.. that'd be a little crazy

I'm just trying to use as much as possible right now

the render is 66% done

Michael Frank

@Bob that program is awesome.

Bob

@MichaelFrank yup

HackToHell

01:52

That program isn't compiling o0

Error 1 The type or namespace name 'Imaging' does not exist in the namespace 'System.Drawing' (are you missing an assembly reference?) C:\Users\Gowtham\documents\visual studio 2012\Projects\ConsoleApplication1\ConsoleApplication1\Program.cs 33 22 ConsoleAp‌plication1

Bob

@HackToHell don't forget to add the System.Drawing.dll reference

if youre in VS, just add the reference

my mono build line is dmcs -optimize+ -r:System.Drawing.dll gen.cs

Journeyman Geek

o0

I opened up the card and the memory chip just slid off.

And it looks like all the leads corroded into mush

Bob

lol

Anonymous

@Bob can it run crysis?

Journeyman Geek

So... THATS why it wasn't working

Michael Frank

01:59

cause... corrosion?

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: only on the memory chip tho

all the other components were fine.

Yeah

Bob

@PatoSáinz no

there's dedicated graphics

Michael Frank

Is IE8 similar to any mobile browser? I'm constantly being served what I assume to be mobile sites.

Anonymous

@Bob can you hack the gibson with it?

Bob

@PatoSáinz what?

Anonymous

02:01

@MichaelFrank it's called graceful degradation

HackToHell

@Bob thanks

Michael Frank

@PatoSáinz Like... "Heh... you're using IE8, here's the mobile site!"

?

Anonymous

@MichaelFrank i assume

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: Its called "here's a dime kid, get a real browser"

Michael Frank

@JourneymanGeek Not my choice, unfortunately. :(

Journeyman Geek

02:09

Or people still doing stupid, naive, version number based version filtering.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Worse: mobile redirects that are automatic and unstoppable and don't preserve the page (back to homepage)

9 times out of 10 I just end up quitting the site out of frustration

Michael Frank

@Bob yea, I know the feels.

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek here's a dime kid, learn a real language like LISP

Anonymous

Journeyman Geek

@PatoSáinz: sorry, your neckbeard must be this dense for you to say that ;p

Anonymous

02:22

@JourneymanGeek you should look at this:

Anonymous

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Anonymous

gahnoo

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek you own ATH-M50s right?

Journeyman Geek

@PatoSáinz: yeah

Though its not my primary headphones anymore, and the headband broke

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek please take this test whenever you have time goldenears.philips.com/en/challenge.html

Journeyman Geek

02:29

been meaning to fix it, bit yanno.

@PatoSáinz: its broken at the moment ;p

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek it doesn't matter if you don't do it with your m50s

Journeyman Geek

ahh ;p

Anonymous

just do the test with a good pair of headphones

Anonymous

i'm doing it with my pioneer ones

Journeyman Geek

blah

it would be nice if they had a reference to listen against

It gets pretty tricky at higher levels

Anonymous

02:39

@JourneymanGeek you do have

Anonymous

but they remove it after some levels

Anonymous

it's sorta a long test, i'm taking a break in mid-bronze ear level

Anonymous

i think at a level you must pinpoint an exact frequency

Anonymous

mama look at me I'm Captain Crunch! (the golden-eared phreaker for you young people)

Michael Frank

02:54

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Q: How can I open a massive PDF?

I created a massive (7GB) PDF in R, and now every computer/program combination I try and open it with craps out. I'm not even sure why as the entire file fits easily in RAM on more than one of the machines I used. I've tried adobe reader on windows and os x and quicklook and preview additionally...

7GB PDF?!!!

Braiam

@MichaelFrank wut?

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank: the problem with that question is its a pain in the ass to replicate

Michael Frank

03:21

EULA from hell?

"Privacy
Only the main GUI (Graphical User Interface) of SUPER © is written by eRightSoft. However, this installation package contains as well other executable files written by third party sponsors that will be launched by simply clicking on the "I ACCEPT THE AGREEMENT" button. Some of these third party companies may recommend or provide advertisements about various services or may even download and install several other softwares or toolbars that replace your current browser's homepage and modify your default browser's search engine. Note that during the installation proce…

Anonymous

@MichaelFrank 0/10 wouldn't touch

Braiam

@MichaelFrank oh god

Michael Frank

Well, they've added game streaming to SteamOS, might be time to dual boot it on my HTPC.

Bob

@allquixotic considering how much PDF.js struggles with multipage documents at times, I'm not expecting it to do too well with a 7GB document...

Anonymous

03:35

what would you do?

Michael Frank

probably freeze it with can o' air propellant.

but in saying that, it's not going up attack you as soon as you approach. Just get a jar and something long enough to poke it with.

Bob

vacuum cleaner.

Anonymous

i would lead it to my cpu

Anonymous

and make it die horribly because of burns and fan strikes

Bob

canned air would just blow it somewhere else

Anonymous

03:39

@Bob lol what if it goes on top of you

Anonymous

don't know if cable spaghetti or cable snake

Michael Frank

@Bob one of the guys in the office mentioned that bug spray is non-corrosive.

Bob

@MichaelFrank what, did you show them the photo?

doesn't really help with the "blow it somewhere else" part though

Michael Frank

@Bob Yea, I just fullscreened and asked them "What would you do?"

Bob

03:44

also, non-corrosive maybe but it's it non-conductive? can it short things? can it block contacts?

Michael Frank

well that's what I thought, which is why I considered freezing it with airspray.

Psycogeek

@PatoSáinz plug the bitch in better and see how many cuda cores shes got :-)

@Boris_yo explain the method to search the play store better please?

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Today later my friend

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo ok

Anonymous

04:17

3

Anonymous

would this even work?

Stack Exchange

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Q: To improve the Superuser search feature by allowing partially match ("like", "contains") logic

I asked this question: Type to navigate and open anything on screen by using keyboard ? Similar to shortcatapp.com In the content, there is the term "shortcatapp". But when I search using that term, results = 0. When I search "http://shortcatapp.com", then there is a result. It looks like the ...

feature-request search

Psycogeek

@PatoSáinz parellel to serial has worked before with driver thing (so far so good). Then the serial (9pin) to serial PS2 is still serial, probably still possible. Then to USB serial probably hits a wall there serial , but totally different, and the speed would be terrible limited by the 9pin serial capabilities?

Anonymous

@Psycogeek probably

Psycogeek

04:35

if they plug in a Sata cable to the end then i am going with a No! :-)

Bob

@PatoSáinz no

you wouldn't get past the first step

most usb=>ps/2 converters are dumb devices anyway, relying on the keyboards' usb controllers supporting ps/2

Psycogeek

@Bob right that the hardware itself supports both already, the adapter just giving the method to connect.

Bob

even if it were a smart adapter, it would have a usb controller that accepts the HID class only

not a mass storage device

@Psycogeek and some keyboard controllers don't do that, in which case you're stuffed :P

Psycogeek

@Bob And really confused :-) that was me.

Paul

Is anyone aware of a canonical answer to "recover trashed hard disk". I think my search-fu is failing me. We have had two of these today: superuser.com/questions/723812/…

Bob

04:51

@Paul I know I've answered/commented on quite a few, at least in chat... dunno if there's one that can be considered canonical though.

You'd also have to split between "deleted file", "formatted drive" and "physically failing"

Paul

@Bob Yeah. Both cases I saw today were "disk is toast". Answer: it is busted, recovery is too expensive, buy a new one, do backups next time.

Psycogeek

The weekend warriers , with thier really normal computer problems. Just tell em it costs 5 times as much to even attempt to recover , as it would have to back-it-up , and what they learn will be worth more than what they lost.

There was a specific hard drive that the motor shaft thing (somehow) gets offset, and slamming it down on the ground fixes it :-) I dont think telling them that would help.

Journeyman Geek

@Paul: if all else fails, create one!

@PatoSáinz no

half those things are reliant on device support.

USB -> PS/2 only works on mice, serial to ps/2 likely only works on really old mice, I have no idea what crack you need to be smoking for serial to parallel, though it might just be parallel with less pins, and the gender changer....

Psycogeek

05:09

My widgets stop updating. If i go to stackexchange android site they are just toing to tell me to root, or rom, or replace the home screen. probably using a better home screen would fix it. I Think the phone purposfully does this to save energy.

Everytime the phone rotates it again updates the home screen, this being a really stupid way to get everything refreshed again. I wonder what I could do to force or cause a refresh of the home screen (and therfore the widgets). Like some app.

allquixotic

@Bob if the PDF is linearized it should be able to cope

PDFs that aren't linearized are very slow to load

Bob

@allquixotic I have no idea what a linear PDF is :P

the format is scary

heck, I'm pretty sure PDF was turing-complete...

Psycogeek

The widgets update fine for a "normal" period of time, but then eventually it is all back to sleepy time. If i was using the phone "normal" i might not even notice.

allquixotic

@Bob think of it this way: a non-linearized PDF will contain arbitrary specifiers for arbitrary parts of the file (page 1, page 160, page 72, page 3, page 19, etc) as you download it, in the stream of the file, from start to end; a linearized PDF can be loaded gradually and each input byte contributes directly to the rendering, kinda like an image

like, when you are downloading an enormous image, or a regular image on a very slow downstream, you can see the image load from top to bottom

when you download an enormous linearized PDF, it'll do the same as the data comes in

Bob

@allquixotic But this is apparently one page with OMGWTF number of objects

Would linearisation really help in this case?

allquixotic

05:18

@Bob well, linearization would cause the first 1% of the page to load in the first 70 MB, the first 10% of the page to load in the first 700 MB, etc

the PDF renderer would be able to write out the pixels for the starting parts of the PDF then ignore it

once you have it out to pixels you forget about all that data, you can even free the internal structure of it

linearized PDFs render faster as well as rendering in a top-bottom fashion

you get a ton of draw commands, you rasterize to the pixmap, and dump the objects to improve the performance of your hash maps...

seems plausible

Bob

@allquixotic Maybe. But there's also support for zooming and scrolling.

Not sure about scrolling, but I'm pretty sure scaling requires a rerender.

> More New TLDs This Week

Available for general registration Feb. 25: .sexy, .tattoo. Available for general registration Feb. 26: .diamonds, .enterprises, .tips, .voyage.

wow

talk about TLD flood

Michael Frank

Yea, it's... ugly.

heh... "conflict.diamonds - $39.88/year"

imagine the web traffic on 'cheap.diamonds' :o

damn, neither of those are available :P

Bob

05:34

@MichaelFrank shiny.diamonds

cool.diamonds

perfect.diamonds

bleh.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

damn, assignments have to be in C or java

networking in C... urgh

seems like it might be time to learn Java properly :(

no C# :(

not even Python :(

Paul

@Bob Write it in python, then wrap it in a bit of C bringing in python.h docs.python.org/2/extending/embedding.html

Bob

LOL

Journeyman Geek

lol

allquixotic

05:52

@Bob write it in C#, then write a C program to link against libmono and use the runtime C# compiler from C to compile your assembly and run it :D

Michael Frank

heh.. still no oscar for Leo!

Bob

the great thing about being on SU and RA is how much I learn while researching answers and just chatting randomly

...the random tags in this question

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Q: I WANT A SOFTWARE FOR WINDOWS WHICH CAN EASILY EDIT PHOTOS

Like, I want to remove the mouchtaches in a photo or Remove the name in a photo. The tools which i use are eyedropper tool and Different paintbrushes. Please tell me if there is any software

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Michael Frank

06:11

Hmm... I wonder if it's the steam servers, my computer, or my internet connection that is eventually dropping the download speed of SteamOS to 0kb/s...

Anonymous

@MichaelFrank it's always your fault

Michael Frank

Heh... probably.

allquixotic

@Bob what did you learn this time? :P

mono-project.com/Embedding_Mono

Bob

06:40

@allquixotic oh, not this time specifically

just stayed a networking course and I'm pretty sure I already know half the material

also, IPoAC

I'm just waiting for the lecturer to mention HTCPCP

Hennes

Why, is (s)he a 418 teapot ?

Psycogeek

06:58

@MichaelFrank Could it have something to do with it still being the weekend? I thought steam servers didnt suck anymore? ""try setting your download region to something like Sweden, Japan, Korea or anyplace where internet doesn't suck..."" sure that'll fix it. Come monday morning at about 3AM in my area, i get the whole web to myself :-)

lets see 3 million people trying to snag a DL of a 24G game at the same moment = amazing that it works at all.

Another 1/2 Million who didnt have a backup, trying to get thier 1/3T back into thier new hard drive.

oh oh broke the calculator again trying to figure how many bits that is.

Anonymous

why does X include a teapot spinner

Michael Frank

08:00

@Psycogeek Well, it's Monday evening here, so I dunno if that'd work.

It also finally finished downloading after about 2 hours :S

Michael Frank

08:25

Gah... worst part about the HTPC? Can't see the BIOS through HDMI. :/

Michael Frank

09:01

....I think I formatted my HTPC while trying to get it to show something on the TV through HDMI. D:

Dammit I did.

Well that's just great.

Psycogeek

un-format it? or was this a full format?

Michael Frank

It was part way through installing SteamOS over the top :/

Well, I assume it was. I hit ctrl+alt+del when I couldn't see anything on the screen.

It's not too bad though. Since I can install XBMC on SteamOS anyway. Just wasn't expecting that to happen. :/

Oh yea, and I was in a fender bender on my way home from work today as well.

Psycogeek

I have adapted dvi to hdmi and hdmi to dvi before, and there are some DVIs that have audio on them (although the web would say that none did). That wouldnt solve the problem, but it might be something i would try to not change the hardware, and still get a (temporary) view of the bios using the hdmi.

@MichaelFrank Oh, oh, just write off the whole day and go back to sleep :-)

Michael Frank

09:19

@Psycogeek Yea, it's a weird one. Because the system won't initialize the on board graphics if there's a PCI graphics installed. But it also won't output the POST/preOS screen from miniDP or miniHDMI. It does output from DVI, which is what I ended up using. Only it was too late.

@Psycogeek Yea... Watch some Walking Dead and go to bed I think

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