Root Access

allquixotic

15:00

@Bob yeah, but that would be large enough to be blatant

HackToHell

Does it use Fused Network service to find out location ?

Bob

@allquixotic and a 10" isn't blatant?

Journeyman Geek

nope, it uses cellphone towers and wifi (optionally)

allquixotic

@Bob MGMT reaction to personal "devices" on desk scales approximately quadratically with device's physical dimensions

4-5" smartphone: :) to :|

7" tablet: :| to :(

HackToHell

For some reason if I enable it, Google Play services decides to aggressively use my cpu and hence drain my battery

allquixotic

15:01

10"+ tablet or laptop: :( to >:(

Journeyman Geek

@HackToHell: so no

Bob

@allquixotic this one is 10"

you're already in :( region

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I do believe they have smaller displays ;p

allquixotic

personal full-size monitor: >:((((((((((((((((((((( (and no, my boss is not EinsteinsGrandson)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek which you can also get from many other places for far cheaper

Braiam

15:01

@allquixotic that's... important

Bob

unless you actually need a ridiculous resolution

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: yup ;p

allquixotic

@Bob i just need an invisible bluetooth keyboard so i can chat with you guys without being on my work pc

off-task ftw

i call it "defocus time"

Bob

@allquixotic easier to just split your desktop keyboard output :P

Journeyman Geek

I don't consider it practical

But its pretty ;p

Bob

15:03

@JourneymanGeek it's a picture frame.

there's already picture frames like it.

HackToHell

@allquixotic it's spotify:user:1223476736

allquixotic

@Bob "what's that big box on your desk?"

"why are you connecting our equipment to your personal device??????????????

Journeyman Geek

also, apparently the screen alone costs more than that.

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek ok

Bob

@allquixotic subtlety is key :P

Journeyman Geek

15:05

actually...

dx.com/p/…

this looks pretty sweet without the OMGWTF res

blah, you got me trawling dx ;p

allquixotic

community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Accounts-and-Subscriptions/…

HackToHell

@allquixotic wait, you don't have one

but you are going to buy one ...

:O

Didn't read properly :/

allquixotic

@HackToHell i linked that mainly for comedic effect: you are my girlfriend now apparently because i'm giving you a spotify gift card

that means you have to come to the US to see me on Christmas

HackToHell

That's 30$ :O

@allquixotic lolol

allquixotic

i remember thinking when i first met you that you were a girl, i don't know why, maybe you had a girl gravatar

HackToHell

15:12

Yeah, I had the avatar of now gay Ellen page

I still have a crush on her :D

3

jokerdino

Ellen Page is gay? Wut

..How is this even possible?

HackToHell

@jokerdino All our hopes shattered :O

allquixotic

@HackToHell let's face it, you never had any hope in the first place :D

Bob

@allquixotic incidentally, I created my Spotify account through a US VPN

jokerdino

There might have been the faintest of hopes.

Bob

15:16

specifically, I created it through a German proxy (because they didn't have that stupid Facebook-only req at the time), then switched the country to the US

allquixotic

@Bob and? :P

are you fishing for a gift card, too?

Bob

now I'm switching it to Aus cause they're free here :P

@allquixotic nah :P

jokerdino

Hey wait a minute, I live in the same place as Hack.

Bob

just trying to figure out the maze that is my Spotify-account-I-don't-use

jokerdino

But I Youtube my music.

Journeyman Geek

15:17

lol

ARR

HackToHell

@allquixotic i am not fishing ._.

Bob

oh yea, there's a Spotify stall at the uni right now O.O

HackToHell

@allquixotic True, she probably doesn't speak computer

Bob

no idea wtf they're doing

allquixotic

@Bob stall? as in, a store?

Bob

15:18

@allquixotic ya.

allquixotic

"come buy our... digital... goods!"

Bob

@allquixotic nah, some promotional thing

during oweek

bunch of other ones too

there's a Microsoft/Windows 8 one

and a Google one

both MS and Google had their devices out

Google was taking and printing photos with a Nexus 7

HackToHell

@jokerdino You use BSNl right ?

Bob

last year there was a Samsung one

allquixotic

I have to admit, the two Microsoft Stores I've seen have been just as hip as Apple stores

Bob

15:20

the Spotify one is just... playing music...

allquixotic

(minus the glass floors)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

@allquixotic these are little stands like those white tents :P

allquixotic

@Bob oh ok

Aus gets the ghetto version of it. I see.

Bob

..

allquixotic

15:21

;-D

HackToHell

lol

Bob

again, it's just the oweek stuff :\

allquixotic

what's oweek?

Bob

haven't seen a proper MS store yet though

@allquixotic oweek.info

HackToHell

it's org*** week

Bob

15:21

orientation week at this uni

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: the little shop I got my moto G was cooler than a apple store

jokerdino

@HackToHell Yes

allquixotic

@HackToHell that's not a real thing!

Bob

there's this big Apple one with the glass front near Wynyard, and a Samsung one down the road from there

HackToHell

@jokerdino How does anything in youtube even play !! after the FUP

allquixotic

15:22

@JourneymanGeek :D it must have been magical for you to walk out of there with it

jokerdino

@HackToHell What's FUP?

allquixotic

do you sleep with it up against your body?

Journeyman Geek

;p

HackToHell

@allquixotic Free Usage Policy ?

Bob

...wut

well. fuck.

HackToHell

15:23

After 6 gigs, my speed gets reduced from 2 Mbps to 512 kbps :(

Bob

apparently I've passed the MS head office in Aus lots of times without ever knowing

jokerdino

@HackToHell Oh okay. I dont know what was supposed to change.

HackToHell

@allquixotic :P

Bob

@HackToHell hey, at least you don't have to pay $WTF overage... do you?

Journeyman Geek

funny thing is they're a online store

jokerdino

15:24

I pay some Rs 1000 every month.

How much it is in your money, I dont know Mr Premier.

allquixotic

$16.46/month

you pay that for Spotify?

HackToHell

@Bob nope, but 512 kbps is toooooo slow

jokerdino

(By the way, a dozen ring roads? Wow)

HackToHell

I pay 900 per month 14.531 US Dollar

jokerdino

@allquixotic Talking about broadband connection

allquixotic

15:25

your cellular plans are cheap :P

but my unlimited is better :D

Bob

@allquixotic apparently no proper MS storefronts outside of the American continent :\

allquixotic

@Bob surprised? :P

Journeyman Geek

we pay ~60 dollars a month for broadband.

Bob

@HackToHell ...I get charged... uh...

Journeyman Geek

totally unlimited tho

HackToHell

15:26

The rent for the house we live in is 80$ :P

Bob

25c/MB over

Journeyman Geek

no such thing as overage though

HackToHell

@Bob What's the FUP ?

Bob

wait, are you talking mobile or landline?

I thought it was mobile

@HackToHell dafuk is a FUP

HackToHell

@Bob the amount of gigs you are allowed to download ?

before you are charged

Bob

15:27

o.O

"included value" here

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

uh.. 1 GB / month

HackToHell

wat

jokerdino

@Bob free usage policy.

HackToHell

o.0

jokerdino

15:27

@HackToHell stop scrolling up. STOP IT

Bob

@HackToHell again, this is mobile

Journeyman Geek

we don't have caps here ;p

Bob

you are talking about mobile?

landline is unlimited at the moment

HackToHell

no, we are talking about broadband

Bob

(but stuck on ADSL[2+] for the foreseeable future)

Journeyman Geek

15:28

mobile is ~45 dollars for my current plan, and thats a fairly basic one, 100 min, 100 texts, 12gb (now its 2gb on newer plans) data a month.

Bob

@HackToHell when did that happen

HackToHell

2g unlimited internet costs about 3.229$

Journeyman Geek

though there's an absolute cap on my maximum bill

Bob

@JourneymanGeek pretty expensive for "basic"

HackToHell

@Bob We never switched from landline to mobile :P

@jokerdino :P

Journeyman Geek

15:29

@Bob: its the cheapest regular plan they have

I'm tempted to switch to prepaid sometimes ;p

HackToHell

@JourneymanGeek That's bloody expensive

Bob

@JourneymanGeek try another carrier?

allquixotic

this chat is FUPped up

Bob

sounds like bloody Telstra

Journeyman Geek

all the carriers are about that much

ooh there we are

@allquixotic: theopensurface.com/about-us

this is where I got my moto G

this is the other leading ISP here info.singtel.com/personal/phones-plans/mobile/postpaid/standard so about the same

incoming calls are free here

allquixotic

15:33

@JourneymanGeek wow, that looks like a paradise :D

really upscale area... you live near there? :D

Journeyman Geek

Yeah ;p

Its in a newly re-developed hotel shopping mall

HackToHell

so says the guy from amurica :P

Journeyman Geek

slightly posh. Right across the road from plebian public housing ;p

allquixotic

@HackToHell hey, things are old and dilapidated here... our golden age is past

things that used to be shiny and fancy 30 years ago are still standing and trying to act cool/relevant but they just aren't

HackToHell

@allquixotic Perhaps, but your government still sways the working of the world

Bob

15:37

@JourneymanGeek oh yea, it's always weird whenever someone raises that the US has to pay for incoming

wat

allquixotic

I don't pay for incoming O.o

Darth Android

we talking about text messages?

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: you have a grandfathered plan ;p

Bob

@allquixotic guess it depends on the plan?

rebtel.com/en/International-Calling-Guide/Calling-Cards/…

Journeyman Geek

same reason I have 12gb of free data a month

HackToHell

15:38

and voice calls,data plans and ellen page

Bob

paying for incoming calls doesn't even exist as a concept here

@JourneymanGeek heh, the new plans that cost more than mine are now 100 MB only :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

they're all slimming it down D:

just upgrade the bloody infrastructure

Darth Android

Oh, yeah. I figured it chewed up minutes whenever your phone was on a call.

Journeyman Geek

my ISP used to be 12 gb across the board, now its 2gb

Darth Android

15:38

They changing that?

Journeyman Geek

I use less than a gig a month.

Bob

@DarthAndroid "chewed up minutes" == "charging"

Darth Android

@Bob Yes.

Bob

@DarthAndroid strictly a US (or maybe NA) thing

I don't think it exists anywhere in Europe or Asia

definitely not in Aus

Darth Android

Ah, lucky them.

Bob

15:40

we also all use(d) GSM w/ SIM cards

so we just stick the card into whatever phone

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: we switched over to free incoming ages ago.

Bob

having to register phones or get carrier approval is also a foreign concept

Journeyman Geek

as are locked phones.

Darth Android

@Bob do the carriers subsidize the cost of new phones so heavily?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek well, we still have network-locked phones :P

but they're slowly disappearing

the difference is it's a firmware lock to only connect to one network

Journeyman Geek

15:41

Its illegal here

Bob

once it's unlocked, you can use it on any network - you don't need approval from the network you're connecting to

@DarthAndroid depends, define heavily

Darth Android

You don't need carrier approval in the US then to my knowledge?

Journeyman Geek

You do.

Darth Android

@Bob Uh, > 25% of the cost of the phone?

Bob

@DarthAndroid at least for CDMA phones, you do

Journeyman Geek

15:42

Well, phones are carrier locked.

Darth Android

@Bob I wouldn't touch CDMA with a 20-foot pole.

Bob

@DarthAndroid not entirely sure how to calculate that :\

Journeyman Geek

@DarthAndroid: for me it was more like, I paid 50 dollars for a ~400 dollar phone.

Darth Android

it's an idiom

Bob

let's see

Darth Android

15:43

I wouldn't touch it with a really, really long pole.

6 meters?

Bob

telstra (most expensive carrier here...)

@DarthAndroid ..I was replying to the 25% message

Journeyman Geek

BUT I pay a penalty equivilent to the 350/24 * x where x is the number of months left on the plan for early termination

Darth Android

Oh.

Bob

telstra => BYO phone is $50/month, Xperia Z1 is $69/month on the same plan

24 month contract

that's about $450 for the phone over 24 months

buying outright.. $700 from a local store

Darth Android

In US, the carriers have to network-unlock the phone after the phone is paid off, which for most is the end of the 2yr contract for post-paid. I'm not entirely against that, since the carriers are effectively giving you a loan on the phone, even if they are gouging you for it.

Bob

15:46

$570 to $640 from grey imports

@DarthAndroid yea, that's the SIM phones, though, isn't it?

the CDMA ones have to be registered to a network before they can be used on it IIRC

Darth Android

For sure, I'm not familiar with CDMA practices

Bob

@DarthAndroid for GSM phones, it wouldn't be much different from here, I'd expect

Darth Android

I just keep up with GSM, since that's what a majority of the carriers here use

I think verizon and sprint are the only two major carriers that use cdma

Bob

but since CDMA is only used in NA, it's fair to say NA is the only place you'd find this...

Darth Android

and sprint doesn't really count.

Bob

15:47

@DarthAndroid seems to be fairly recent development?

Darth Android

Hmmm?

what, using GSM?

It's always been sprint / verizon are CDMA, everyone else is GSM

Journeyman Geek

We had cdma a few years.

Darth Android

CDMA is only big here because verizon is huge.

Journeyman Geek

Not very popular.

Bob

I see stuff like this in a lot of places:

> Probably the only minus of GSM technology is that it is not accessible in most of the USA, which is ruled by CDMA tech

Journeyman Geek

15:49

Everything here is GSM

Bob

but I really don't know what US carriers are, so.. ya :P

Darth Android

techhive.com/article/2044580/…

Verizon and sprint are CDMA, AT&T, T-mobile, and eveyrone else are GSM

brb

Boris_yo

Not easy it is to spend almost 9 hours in front of monitor...

Malachi

for everyone that helped me with the Edubuntu set up, Thank you. my daughter is all excited, I showed her kTurtle last night and she wants to Learn Ruby after that (we can use Laby {if I can figure it out})

8

alright back to work with me

HackToHell

16:27

lol techcrunch.com/2014/02/25/htc-and-nokia-troll-samsung/…

That Brazilian Guy

16:50

This USD 1,64 tiny bluetooth receiver is surprinsigly useful for it's ultra low price, tested on XP, Win7, ubuntu and fedora.

I'm using it right now

Anonymous

@Malachi you warm my heart

2

Boris_yo

@ThatBrazilianGuy No it's not! For it to work you need to purchase BluSoleil software

That Brazilian Guy

!!orlmente

ChatBot John Cavil

That Brazilian Guy

Well, someone forgot to tell this to the unit I bought! I am listening to Hype Machine right now and I don't recall buying any drivers.

ChatBot John Cavil

17:05

@ThatBrazilianGuy You do not have permission to use the command undo

Boris_yo

That Brazilian Guy

@Boris_yo Yes, but can diabetics use it?

Oliver Salzburg

Also, I heard sugar is bad for your health

allquixotic

17:48

another day, another episode of wowing coworkers with regex wizardry in notepad++

*yawn*

Canadian Luke

@allquixotic One day, I'll learn the power of RegEx!

allquixotic

!! s/E/e/

2

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic @allquixotic One day, I'll learn the power of Regex! (source)

Bob

@allquixotic I've started using PowerShell and/or LINQPad for regex :P

Pretty much, just .NET

allquixotic

i have a license of regexbuddy 4, should probably use that

Bob

17:52

because apparently nothing else supports variable-width lookbehinds

allquixotic

yeah, i love lookaround in .net

Bob

@allquixotic Oh, and Expresso (also .NET)

Perl6 apparently supports it, but that's far from convenient :\

PCRE (as in Notepad++) has basic lookbehinds and variable-width lookaheads, but not variable-width lookbehinds :(

allquixotic

!! s/:\(/☹/

ChatBot John Cavil

@allquixotic Could not process input. Error: unterminated parenthetical on line 302

@allquixotic PCRE (as in Notepad++) has basic lookbehinds and variable-width lookaheads, but not variable-width lookbehinds ☹ (source)

Bob

!! s/(?<=lo*)k/test/

ChatBot John Cavil

17:58

@Bob Could not process input. Error: invalid quantifier on line 302

Bob

nope.

!! s/(?<=loo)k/test/

ChatBot John Cavil

@Bob Could not process input. Error: invalid quantifier on line 302

Bob

huh.

did I forget my regex syntax?

allquixotic

0

A: Formatting Sandbox

☹ characters and stuff... yeah... lots of extra stuff... i just wanted a big sadface in chat

BAH

Anonymous

18:10

lo

That Brazilian Guy

@PatoSáinz ...and behold!

Anonymous

sup @ThatBrazilianGuy?

Anonymous

how is everything doing

That Brazilian Guy

Everything is doing something. Except for the somethings that are being done things to. And let's not forget the things that are doing nothing. And the things that aren't technically things.

Anonymous

@ThatBrazilianGuy is a human being who is not being human a being?

Anonymous

18:12

because while not being he is being someone who isn't being

That Brazilian Guy

@PatoSáinz Yes, certainly. Because while not being a human being, this being is being a being, therefore being³

Anonymous

@ThatBrazilianGuy too spooky for me

Boris_yo

19:34

@OliverSalzburg Salt on same level almost

Michael Frank

20:03

@allquixotic You have no idea how broken that pages looks on IE8.

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank yes I do; I have IE8 installed

Michael Frank

Well, then I guess you do. ^_^

Or should I cry for us both?

I suppose you at least chose to use IE8 for some reason?

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank no; it's what's required to be installed at work

if I had a choice, I wouldn't have chosen almost anything about the way my work PC is laid out

Michael Frank

@allquixotic Ahh yea. Do you have a lot of XP machines in the business?

allquixotic

if I had a choice, I'd build it like my desktop: Windows 8.1 x64, 32 GB RAM, Ivy Bridge or Haswell Core i7, disks in RAID-0 (or maybe SSDs), and at least a slightly better GPU, with up to date drivers instead of 4 year old drivers

@MichaelFrank no...

Michael Frank

20:13

@allquixotic Hmm... Okay. We're on 7 here, but because all the XP machines use IE8 we get stuck with it also. Something about supporting more than one browser is hard, apparently.

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank well we're all on 7 with no Vista or XP machines and they won't support anything newer because supporting a new version of IE takes about 3 years, apparently

probably some bean-counter came up with the brilliant idea that holding on to old software longer "maximizes ROI" by preventing upgrade churn, but with browsers that's complete nonsense, since productivity will be higher with faster browsers

Michael Frank

o.O

Michael Frank

20:30

dat space formatting...

http://emeneye.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/building-an-unattended-answer-file-for-windows-7-2/

Canadian Luke

Nice

Anyone got experience setting up D-Link DGS switches for Stacking?

Michael Frank

I've stacked blocks with the kids my wife looks after. Does that count?

Canadian Luke

I'm afraid not :P

I'm wondering if it's just a regular HDMI cable for connecting them for stacking

As well, wondering if I can do Link Aggregation as well, for some switches that are far away

Michael Frank

HDMI? o.O

googles DGS switches

Canadian Luke

Found the connection!

Michael Frank

20:38

There's no HDMI on this switch I'm looking at! o.O

Canadian Luke

Now, to make sure I got all the planning done

DGS-3100 series?

dlink.com/-/media/Business_Products/DGS/DGS%203100/Manual/…

Pg 36 - HDMI cables

Michael Frank

Hmm... that is cool!

Canadian Luke

It doesn't say what HDMI version is needed... Hopefully, any type would work!

Michael Frank

"High Definition Multimedia Interface Cable version 1.3 (1 meter)" Pg. 41

Canadian Luke

Nice... Thanks! Didn't get that far yet :P

Michael Frank

20:43

So what's the deal with Stacking? How is it different from patching one switch to another?

Ahh, Wikipedia to the rescue.

Canadian Luke

Faster, and only manage it via one IP address

Oh well, talking to their support, hopefully they can answer

ekaj

gots debian dual booting on my laptop

Michael Frank

21:01

@ekaj Nice.

ekaj

it was a pain with eufi

Anonymous

People are overclocking they goddamn screens

Anonymous

what's wrong with power users nowadays

Michael Frank

21:17

MORE POWER, OH OH OH grunts

@PatoSáinz But hey, if your screen is capable of more Hz, why not drive it faster?

Anonymous

@MichaelFrank I should implement liquid cooling on my screens

ekaj

mineral oil

Michael Frank

mineral bath monitor?

Anonymous

I want an Oculus Rift-enabled desktop environment

Michael Frank

22:17

Did SU just go offline? o.O

Oliver Salzburg

22:32

@MichaelFrank Works here

Michael Frank

Gimme a minute and I'll paste the error message.

I guess it's an issue with our systems as I can access SE okay.

Oliver Salzburg

@MichaelFrank Looks like a CDN issue

Michael Frank

Ahh

She's obviously a gamer....

@OliverSalzburg it's working now.

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