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Because it was really annoynig to assemble it, it just wouldn't fit together. And there was an almost indetectable cover film on each piece, quite hard to remove.
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@ThatBrazilianGuy Nah, about a month ago ;)
Didn't you hear? Apparently (@allquixotic) I'm a time traveler.
@ThatBrazilianGuy I think I might have left the film on...
@Bob If by "time traveler" it means "living in the very, very, very, very near future" and "being able to send messages not >24 hours in the past".
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@ThatBrazilianGuy Actually...
@MichaelFrank is currently in UTC+13 :P
00:44
@Bob check the Q again D:
01:10
posted on February 03, 2014

We will be upgrading out primary SQL clusters to the latest update of SQL 2014 CTP2 in order to correct an issue with the plan cache clearing on replica servers in an Availability Group. This upgrade will happen tonight starting around 9pm EST (02:00 UTC). Both of our primary SQL clusters will be upgraded, meaning that all sites in the network should experience approximately a 5-10 second inte

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@Braiam ...that doesn't sound like a proper close reason
@Bob well, UL wants that Q (it wanted the previous revision)
night!
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@Braiam Oh, I didn't see you updated it.
@kalina Night.
@Braiam Well, you want to post a reopen request? :)
@Bob nah, I custom flagged for it to be migrated
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01:21
@Braiam Our general policy is to not migrate when it's also on-topic here.
And with the "how-to" edit, it is on-topic here now.
There's nothing saying you can't post a 'list-of-distros' question on Unix & Linux, though (except possibly their own acceptable question policy)
That's nice. I see a free WiFi network I can use but their captive portal is down
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o.O
Why is @JourneymanGeek hunting for WiFi networks? o.O
Lol. Curiosity? Heh, the people who run this ap do not do wireless @ SG anymore
So even if the captive portal worked I could not log in. Oh well. I can just use my loads of 3g data
I tend to peek at available networks when messing with my phone
01:43
meh, mildly annoyed
bought the $300 SteelSeries H Wireless kit. hardware is awesome. VERY skimpy on the docs. comes with enough cables that i could sell just the cables on Amazon for $50+. but the big BUT is mainly the fault of my cheapo mobo... it has S/PDIF Out, but it only supports PCM and DTS, and not Dolby Digital Surround
H Wireless receiver only supports Dolby so it won't let me select Optical Out
still getting a "digital" connection by plugging the receiver into USB (so it acts like a sound card) but the quality is nowhere near what TOSLINK would offer :<
i need some kind of software Dolby Digital Live encoder
or else i'mma bout to be in the market for a sound card
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@allquixotic Well... a sound card can't be that expensive, can it?
Knowing nothing about sound card prices, my guess would be $50 at most for a fairly basic one that'll do the job.
@Bob thing is, i need a sound card that has TOSLINK (aka Optical aka S/PDIF), bidirectional ideally, with Dolby Live support
should be possible to satisfy all of that under $100, i really don't need to go "pro audio"
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> Dolby Digital Plus may be transmitted across HDMI 1.3 or newer, according to IEC 61937-3.
Your graphics card might support it :P
yeah, it probably does, but wrong PHY
my motherboard probably supports it on HDMI too
but there's no HDMI interface to the receiver
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Makes me wonder if a HDMI to TOSLINK exists.
01:49
heh. probably a huge box that sits on your desk for $500
also, apparently there's less bandwidth on TOSLINK than HDMI for audio
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> Audio Signal from Any Input Can Be Obtained from SPDIF Digital Optical or Hi-Fi Stereo 3.5mm outputs @ Output A
HDMI 1.3 Certified Support 1080P, 3D Video and Digital Surround Sound Setup
SPDIF Output Supports Audio Up To Dolby Digital / DTS 5.1CH; It Does NOT Support PCM 5.1CH and Beyond
I'm actually wondering if USB 2.0 provides close enough to comparable sound to S/PDIF, because S/PDIF is quite old in terms of digital protocols... I mean, yes, it uses fiber optic (which is FUCKING FANTASTIC) but the resolution of the PCM only goes up to 24 bit, which I'm sure USB 2.0 can match
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@allquixotic But you might run into latency problems?
01:51
@allquixotic: Yeah
the main advantage of going with S/PDIF, apparently, is that some games will play native Dolby Surround encoded audio through the S/PDIF link, which means that you get excellent surround sound quality, and the exact bits that the game engine generated get pushed to your ears
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@allquixotic Does it have to be TOSLINK?
and lower latency for sure... USB Audio has higher latency than anything PCI can do
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That one seems to do HDMI to some other S/PDIF
USB is good enough, even for dog ears :p
01:53
@Bob well, my SteelSeries H Wireless receiver (the little box that receives whatever audio input and ships it over the air to the actual headphones) has USB, standard 3.5mm analog, and S/PDIF -- that's it
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> The SPDIF output can support 5.1CH Dolby Digital 5.1CH and DTS 5.1CH audio.
And if you look at the image, that looks like a TOSLINK port on the output.
So, about $45 plus a video card you should already have.
Unless you want to go the sound card route.
But if it's all digital, a sound card wouldn't add anything to the quality - that's all on the receiver's side (and the audio source software). Isn't it?
my motherboard's Realtek ALC892 codec's device driver (provided by Realtek) has a licensed DTS encoder on it, which is a competing standard to Dolby
DTS and Dolby are the AMD and Nvidia of high-end audio
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I guess the question becomes: does your video card do Dolby or DTS?
Or both?
Then go buy a $45 HDMI adapter, and off you go.
(assuming it actually works)
apparently no
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:(
01:57
I don't think AMD licenses Dolby or DTS
it just does PCM, which is not a proprietary standard, it's supported by anything
here's the thing: you only have a certain amount of bandwidth in the S/PDIF standard
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that one implies AMD supports them
uncompressed PCM over S/PDIF only allows you to fit 2 channels
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hm. maybe only passthrough though
it's the compression (apparently very very very close to lossless) that lets them squeeze in 5.1 or 7.1 channels
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Lunchtime. I'll be back in a bit.
01:59
@bob : everyone uses third party sound chips;p
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@JourneymanGeek I'd expect a video card, which is normally rather expensive media hardware, to be better than mobo onboard.
@bob: its a videocard. I would expect a licenced ip core shoehorned in
generally the HDMI audio on high-end graphics cards these days is very good, but it's just not (directly!) compatible with the transceiver I have here
i can already hear a much higher dynamic range in the output with this headset (quality drivers, obviously) than i heard in my old one
the quality is leaps and bounds above any Bluetooth solution I've heard, without the stupid amount of over-bassification that they do to hide how awful Bluetooth codecs sound
the quality is comparable to a good wired headset, and it's wireless
don't forget most soundcards have horrid amplification stages
if i got one, it would NOT be Creative
02:09
I mean onboard ones
Xonar D2X :D
this sucks -- I know about all the current hot products in every other market of PC hardware, but I'm clueless on modern PC sound cards
so... @allquixotic is member of the Indian Team
I wish they had a standalone volume/mic pod. Those are sexy.
@Braiam what indian team o_0 ?
02:10
actually I AM on the indian team because so many of my coworkers are indian
Kim Jong is being racist.
i need to learn hindi, telugu, gujarati, and tamil ASAP
@allquixotic: Even I don't :p
even you don't what?
one of my coworkers knows 5 Indian languages, plus English
why the heck I get no oneboxing?
know much about modern sound cards
But modern computer's don't need a sound card
unless you are a audiophile :P
or need a proper mic input
We are the Indian Hacker Team. Lower your ban hammers and prepare to be ousted. Your community will adapt to service us. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile.
02:25
@Braiam Remove the @-notification. Only bare URLs will be oneboxed.
Should we start having platinum badges on SE?
@gparyani I can onebox if I'm replying to a message, like this
@allquixotic I know Hindi and another Indian language...
either way it doesn't work even without it...
@allquixotic that sounds more like aliens than indians
@SomeModeratorOnThatSite Destroy the user(s).
03:18
@Braiam Or Borg
@allquixotic: as far as 'good', non exotic cards go... you're between creative and Asus, both of whom have craptastic drivers
If you're willing to shop a bit, and don't mind USB, there may be some DAW type gear or some other exotic crap made by some tiny... OH
I actually seem to think my favourite tiny, slightly dodgy non english speaking audio-gear maker might have something..
03:43
@JourneymanGeek DTS
Betamax vs VCR. DTS vs Dolby.
yeah, I suppose so ;p
Dolby gets no love? ;p
@JourneymanGeek Shady Jung Xie probably managed to reverse-engineer DTS, but Dolby was too hard
(both are proprietary, licensed technologies, so to claim DTS support without buying it is intellectual property theft, and I don't see any DTS logos)
before the revolution of commodity sound cards in PCs and laptops that could drive 16-bit PCM @ 44.1 KHz, which is "good enough for most people", Dolby -- just the name Dolby -- was really the only thing you'd look for when shopping audio equipment in the 80s
I remember we had a cassette player that had some kind of Dolby support
;p
@allquixotic: I'm convinced the MAIN weakness in most modern audio cards is the analogue bits.
03:48
actually I read that even commodity hardware has incredibly good DACs; the limitations come up on the digital side
it's more expensive to do it right on the digital side (and to get all the goddamn proprietary licenses you need, too) than it is to build a good, cheap DAC
@allquixotic: DAC is the digital side ;p
well, depends on your perspective
You can probably build a good, transparent soundcard for a single chip and 10 bucks, or totally fuck up one of the 'best' Dacs by building it wrongly
(actually thats why some of these chinese companies are so cheap. NO R&D. Some of them just build reference designs... and this is a good thing)
the DAC is a digital to analog converter -- if it is discarding or poorly processing the digitized data, or introduces latency, or "dithers" it (ugh), or doesn't accept more than 16-bit 44.1 KHz, then the digital side sucks... but if it accepts 96 KHz 24-bit audio and the analog output is crap, well then there's your culprit
@allquixotic: You might also have a clean analog signal coming out of your sound card, but then with the amplification needed to be usable, do undesirable stuff.
03:51
these days I find myself getting hit pretty hard and often with things like resampling artifacts, and digital limiting problems in original recordings, which are all on the digital side
btw, DirectSound's resampling is embarrassingly poor
WASAPI sounds so much better when listening to my music
weird thing is that WASAPI is also doing resampling
it just does it better
for music? I just use WASAPI, a basic DAW, and a headphone amp.
and the amp's entirely optional
my wireless headphones have a freakin cellphone battery in them, I don't think I need an amp
100 db max SPL
enough to deafen you
lol
your wireless headphones have an amp in em.
03:53
yeah.... funny thing is, the path is completely digital from the source media all the way to the headset... things ONLY get analog inside the headset itself
Honestly, in your shoes, musicwise, I'd want to just pipe in line level output (as hard as it is to do on a PC!) and let the headphones handle all the amplification related stuff
but there's a significant amount of conversion going on on the digital side
which is good, despite what people say ;p
original audio is usually mp3 or ogg (both music as well as game sound effects and soundtracks) which cuts a bit out of the quality right there; I'm not listening to source FLACs much
03:55
then there's resampling at the WASAPI layer
actually thats true for most people
and on your music player in many cases
then there's some kind of compression to shoot the audio over the air, which is completely invisible to the user
all I know is that these headphones sound better than anything bluetooth is going to put out until they come out with Bluetooth 5.0 and make some actually good codec mandatory part of the standard
might be data rather than psycoacoustic compression
Audio is suprisingly low bandwidth
(and blah, this is one of the things I know very little about)
well I am not sure what kind of protocol they use between the transmitter and the headphones, but I know it's not bluetooth, although it's almost definitely on either the 2.4 or 5 GHz band
03:56
AptX is not all that great :/
and it's a proprietary, optional codec that only a few devices support
with a fallback to the lovely, lovely (sarcasm) SBC
SBC makes anything sound like 60 kbps vorbis
Beats me ;p
Well I'm glad I have an unlimited broadband plan.
I know a guy, that bough some beats...
03:58
my 'portable' headphones are these creative/android ones
Couchpotato tried to download the same passworded movie five times.
I believe the android version of this is what I use amazon.com/Creative-Labs-EP-630-In-Ear-Headphones/dp/B000LVIC58/…
(has a headset I hardly use ever)
(and a pair of 2 dollar headphones for 'testing')
04:00
@MichaelFrank: oh, I have a nice pair for home use. Might upgrade when I get a job ;p
lol
monoprice is not worth it here
4? what, do you have ears down there that you don't tell anyone about?
@allquixotic: spare/beater headphones ;p
was gonna say, you're a mutant
I got them pretty cheap from Massdrop
and those are supposed to be the best cheapie headphones there are
my coworker bought wired Sony headphones in the $100 price range -- that's some junk lol
I think @Bob is going to complain we had this conversation before
04:03
@allquixotic if I was spending in the $100-200, I'd probably go with Grado for wired
that's because we have
I had a ATH M50 before. Then went with a FA003 TO
@MichaelFrank: grado is open backed tho
I don't normally need isolation.
frigging took me 4 years to find a pair. ;p
Beats are bare backed headphones -- the people you're slinging $300 at are riding you bare-backed for a $50 product
04:04
I think. And two of my friends got the old model ;p
@allquixotic: lol
we should stop talking about what we like and just spend all our time hating Beats
lol
@allquixotic: their software is even worse
;p
and yup. we've definately had this convo before ;p
5 star rating for my headset with the headline "They're not Beats; you can't go wrong"
one thing that's really impressive about these is the (absence of) latency
the latency is so low that I can't perceive it -- it has to be less than 10 ms
and they don't do any of that "I'm not actively playing audio, so I'm going to make a HUGE 0 dB POP! sound" shit either
04:08
lol
Bandisoft makes me very sad
the only audio recording options they have are uncompressed PCM, and... MPEG-1 Layer 2. LAYER 2! as in, "MP2" -- the royalty-free inferior predecessor to MP3
128 kbps 44.1 KHz MP2 sounds worse than SBC
it rather sounds like 64 Kbps MP3 actually
Blah, I almost installed doubletwist, and realised they do opencandy :/
I suppose I can throw it on the shared computer, its going to get malware/spyware anyway....
opencandy?
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04:34
@allquixotic the installer-ads thing
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@JourneymanGeek you called?
Eh, FLAC.
Looks good on paper, but no practical difference in the majority of cases...
04:56
@Bob: talking about audio stuff
;p
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05:07
O.O
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Q: Likely cause of BSODs associated with Desktop Window Manager warnings

RoadWarriorMy primary PC experiences a BSOD (bug check 124) roughly once a day and has been doing so for several months. These BSODs appear to be related to warnings 500 and 501 in the Windows event log. Both message types say "The Desktop Window Manager is experiencing heavy resource contention". 500 adds ...

It's been a very long time since I've even heard of a part of the CPU failing like that...
ok, doubletwist is not what I need.
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RAM errors? Sure. HDD crashing? Yup. Mobo dying (caps)? Yep. PSU failing? But of course! CPU partially broken? Are you crazy?
/me needs something that will fill up a preset amount of space with music, and if its Flac, convert it down to lossy.
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@JourneymanGeek ...what?
lol
@Bob: trying to convert my old phone into a music player. I have access to all my music over wifi, and in theory, data, but I'm pondering smarter ways to actually sync an appropriate amount of music into it.
if that makes sense.
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05:11
Just chuck your whole library on it :P
I used to convert to WMA @ 96 kbps to fit it onto a 1 GB micro SD card on an E65
Google Maps... Go faster kthx!
actually, rather tempting
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Probably could have gone down to 64 kbps without affecting sound quality much... the speaker and headset were worthless.
other than not wanting to downsample my lossy files
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@JourneymanGeek I can almost guarantee you won't hear it. Just do something like 192 kbps MP3 with the "joint" stereo, not two full channels.
If you're playing off the phone speaker, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference at 128 or maybe even 96 - just make it mono.
05:14
headphones ;p
and erm. no.
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@JourneymanGeek Well, that makes it slightly different :P
Some phones are alright, some have annoying noise, some use Beats...
no beats
Also, I hate people who use their phone as a speaker. Its inconsiderate
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I'd be too embarrassed to do it :P
I'm aware people do not share the same taste in music I do.
bleh, nothing but USB audio works on this damn thing... I can't even connect it to my phone without turning the headset into a wired headset
still a good pair of cans but so very limited on the connections side
aha, just learned from a review that it runs on 2.4 GHz
good thing my wifi is 5 GHz these days
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05:33
@allquixotic Just don't use the microwave oven.
06:37
gah... accidentally drag a folder over an unused drive... Explorer locks up until the PC spins that drive up.
 
4 hours later…
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10:10
uggh... family friend malware removal (@JourneymanGeek)
trying to navigate through XP in a language I can't read
oh fml, I just remembered
why didn't I change the default browser???
I had the chance!
I just remove the shortcuts to IE, and use ninite.com to install a basic set of essential apps my family is likely to need.
10:30
@Bob was it set like that, or was it cause of the malware? ;p
@MichaelFrank: Pretty much what I do too
@JourneymanGeek I had to deal with a guy that had his keyboard set to DVORAK the other day. That was a nightmare!
He couldn't even type in QWERTY. Like, at all.
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@JourneymanGeek they were using a chinese dodgy variant of IE
its description mentions a 'merge' of trident and webkit o.O
@MichaelFrank: Thats just hell
COULD be worse tho
How about... AZERTY or QWARTZ?
Just different enough to confuse you
I asked him why he chose DVORAK, and his answer was "when I first started using a keyboard, I bought a book that mentioned DVORAK as a good place to start if you had never learnt to type before. Naturally I thought it would become more common. This was 20 years ago."
actually, probably more than 20 years, I don't quite remember what he said.
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10:52
@JourneymanGeek SR4 is... weird. what is this nyteblade shit
gotta admit, though, it was pretty fun beating the crap out of him with a baseball bat while he talked
.... NYTEBLADE!
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oh god.. I should've recorded that
just after he went down a car crashed right in front of us :P
@Bob: The actor in the start of SR3? He plays nightblade
Everyone but the protoganist seems to be a fan, and read too much into it ;p
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@JourneymanGeek ...start of SR**3**?
YES!
JOSH BURKE IS NIGHTBLADE! ;p
you do kidnap him in costume too.
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10:56
I can't remember the start of SR3
@JourneymanGeek yea, I thought he was only introduced halfway in
nope. You're kidnapping him both cause he's working with stag, and cause he's an asshole who ruined your bank robbery
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oh
@JourneymanGeek I played that mission ages before the rest of the game :P
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WUT
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Q: Voting system using compilers

VINAYAKVoting system: First of all we have to create lexer and parser for nominees of the party members name and voter-id details and recognition of person. and we produce one compiler with the help of c program... in that we need to give voter id of the person and the nominee name he wants to vote(o...

I... I don't even...
> if the voting takes place in Delhi means
I'm kinda worried he's working for the election commission of India or something
lol
more likely homework
11:05
"input in the command window and that input is transfered for storage into a text file"

sounds safe.
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I don't know C# (but understand this code), and I like this because it is smallest code. — Grijesh Chauhan 1 hour ago
Despite the fact that it's not correct code...
!!doge much spam, very downvote
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@tombull89 just remember shitty question != spam
     wow
                         many much spam
much  very downvote
@Bob: did you see his profile?
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11:07
@JourneymanGeek o.O
Nobody has: stats profile views 0
So this is frustrating me again... My 64bit OS tells me that only 3.24GB of my 4GB is usable.
shared graphics memory?
Hmm... possible. It's a server install without any access except with RDP
wouldn't have thought it would be 512MB+ though on a server
11:24
Ya.
11:36
twitch "Updateing scene exceptions"
11:58
> my request is how to slove theproblem
This is so good, I need to share as a whole :P
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A: How to fix error " The printer driver cannot connect to the network print server"

ramaprasadi have aprinter of canon classimage MF 4300 series it waws working verygood but recently my system was formated after that printer is working the scanner shows an error code of 2,255,0 my request is how to slove theproblem

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Q: What does it mean by 10/100Mbps in Lan card?

Fsaladin10/100Mbps - It is written on specification of a internal Lan card.What does the 10 stands for ?ie - Data Rates -10/100Mbps for Half-Duplex mode,20/200Mbps for Full-Duplex mode.

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12:56
@JourneymanGeek Obviously, it means 10/100 = 0.1Mbps
13:09
;p
and 10/100/1000 is 0.0001 and so slower?
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@JourneymanGeek Your comment - fast ethernet is still reasonably common, esp. on lower-end SOHO routers
the green/amber thing I've seen more between 100mbit and 10mbit
Man, I remember being in the top 5 at some point of time.
Must say more meaningless things in here :'(
@Bob: possibly, I haven't bought a low end soho router in ages ;p
@jokerdino apparently there's a interesting discussion in some private rooms
i haven't been active on the site for at least a year now.
@Braiam where? What did I miss??
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13:28
@jokerdino You're still above me!
Must
say
more
@jokerdino Shocking
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meaningless
things...
Ok, I'll stop :P
lol @Bob
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Don't want to put too much load on the chat server s...
Why does that "s" look weird O_o
13:29
it's a strikethrough on s
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@OliverSalzburg strikethrough because ghetto chat markdown doesn't work on part words
Oh! Now I get it :P
you people take this too seriously ;p
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cough I mean, you should check your fonts.
13:30
Everyone gets ghetto markdown
right until someone drives by and marks you down.
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@JourneymanGeek Let me have something to be happy about.
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@jokerdino I can't help but think that question would have been better for SF, but in its current state they would tear him apart... probablymaybe
I don't know what we are talking about.
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@jokerdino We're talking about whrhgrrgrgblblr
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13:40
Is that a question, answer, user or a product?
@jokerdino none and all at the same time D:
Do we have a link? I think I missed out on something fun.
Migrate that question to SF and we'll set you on fire.
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@tombull89 Have you met kalina?
Oh, and I was supposed to ping @JourneymanGeek with that, not jokerdino. Whoops.
@tombull89 Wait, you do know I'm talking about this question, not the Ethernet one, right?
Just checking if you really want to set me on fire ;)
@Bob ah, I see
13:49
with what?
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13 mins ago, by Bob
@jokerdino I can't help but think that question would have been better for SF, but in its current state they would tear him apart... probablymaybe
yes and no
the OP has no idea what he's doing ;p
@Bob DOOOODE
I want SU to have a reputation like that
"they would tear him apart..." because "the OP has no idea what he's doing"
that would be awesome
"Welcome to SuperUser, the newbie-friendly PC user help site! WHAT??? A QUESTION ABOUT RESTARTING YOUR COMPUTER????? N000000B!!! rip slash tear scream VTC
@allquixotic: naw, we're happy here
13:56
superuser.com/questions/712165/… Pls reply here.Now you can get the Poper place to do that:)Thank you — VINAYAK 1 hour ago
@Bob kalina has been in the DMZ before...
I can't help but read poor Indian English as "lazy guy who didn't properly learn English, and thus is probably incompetent" :/
@allquixotic what is the "Poper place"?
a place to poop?
Proper place I think
@Braiam he meant proper, but you can definitely interpret it that way
13:59
@allquixotic: that guy ...
I suspect he'll be auto questionbanned soon :/

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