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That was great. Let's do it again some time.
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@JourneymanGeek ?
oh, I seem to think that my switch dosen't like ipv6
which makes no sense
that or powerline networking homeplug AV in general.
I was unable to connect via the switch, I turned ipv6 off on my laptop, and now it works fine.
actually... it seems super fast
00:42
hm, that works on one system but not the other
curious
or it was a coincidence
is gooby pls equivalent to sudo?
Bob
Bob
01:10
hmm
last mission in sr3
01:27
Folks, is a DisplayPort to DVI adapter and a DisplayPort to DVI cable essentially the same thing?
@NickAlexeev this may be of interest
@NickAlexeev They probably differ in length
I'm not sure if it's relevant to displayport and dvi, but cables are usually passive adapters and adapters are usually active adapters. But it might not matter depending on the formats.. idk
@CCInc Reading the tread, which you've linked.
I can never get over the SE ping sound.. it's like a thud, unlike SO's
01:39
@CCInc What I'm aiming to achieve is this. There is a souped-up desktop computer with 2x video cards each with 2x DisplayPort outputs. I can't open the computer, pull out the card and read the model. I'd like to boot the computer and find out the model of the card. The only available monitor is DVI.
... or VGA
@NickAlexeev this article may also be of interest
02:08
@CCInc Read the article and the forum thread. It looks like active adapters works in a greater number of situation. But, passive adapter works only in some situations. I
Wow...
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Q: Remove Desktop entry from Alt+Tab list

MichaelMIs it possible to remove the entry for the desktop from Windows 7's Alt+Tab list? So far I have found a post telling me to add an entry to the registry: HKEY_CURRENT_USER/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Explorer/AltTabSettings However, this reverts the Alt+Tab menu back to the Window...

Answering a 4 year old question, and not even getting anywhere near what the asker wanted... That takes talent.
03:03
lol
@Bob: is that the one you need to choose between the building, and killing kilbane?
@NickAlexeev Yeah, active adapters are almost guarenteed to work, whereas passive only work in certain cases. Back to your original question, though, most cables are passive, but you can fine some that are active if you wanted one
*saving the people at the statue and killing killbane
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03:35
@JourneymanGeek I think so
just about to start it
Bob
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this is just overpowered now
oops
(tip, you can pick later)
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infinite ammo, take no damage...
lol, yeah
Bob
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03:35
I literally can't die
then again, that's half the fun
this is the point when you can wonder around town, taking on the military with just a dildo
3
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lol
@JourneymanGeek it's more fun taking on the military with a SWAT team :D
SWAT/SNG vs STAG :D
03:46
@Bob: I almost never call for assistance ;p
Bob
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@JourneymanGeek same
except vehicle deliveries
but it's just funny sing LEO against military :P
lol
at some point I stuck to the two armed helos and the stag VTOLs outside missions ;p
much faster
Bob
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@JourneymanGeek ya
only recently got the VTOL delivery though
don't like helis as much
pretty sure the bloody canoness is faster
@Bob: straight line flight tho
also, massive firepower ;p
(and nice for assassinating that guy who is a aircraft nut)
 
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05:05
@JourneymanGeek heh, I broke the physics engine
VTOL in the water stuck between two boats, and it crashed
05:21
lol
Bob
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@JourneymanGeek these massacres are fun :P
lol
I consider them the best part of the game
pity SR4 dosen't have random encounters any more
hm, apparently windows 7 and 8 have some form of primitive load balancing.
Bob
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@JourneymanGeek hm?
@JourneymanGeek oh I mean the last mission
@Bob: which last mission? ;p
oh, the one on the ship?
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@JourneymanGeek clear out places
just after the full on invasion started
05:29
ahh ya
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hm. the music is decent :P
XD
the looping version of I need a hero is annoyingly catchy
05:42
JOHNNY FIVE!
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05:57
there, finished
that mars thign was ridiculous
lol
it was
hm, giving berryboot a shot
lets me run raspian off a USB drive, which is pretty nice, and I have a very small sd card to boot off of
Bob
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@allquixotic huh, that's familiar
probably watched it a few years ago o.O
@Bob I watched it when I was about 7
Bob
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wait there's a SC2?
@Bob that's from Short Circuit 2
1986 and 1988 movies, respectively
Bob
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06:02
@allquixotic O.O
I've only ever seen the first one
huh. seen that song in a lot more places than I actually remember
06:31
That was pretty impressive, I managed to install openssh on a headless box, with a keyboard and no screen ;)
@JourneymanGeek wow. Props.
@nhinkle: more like, I've done this so many times that Its muscle memory now ;p
trying a new install method that hopefully should be more stable
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06:56
bleh, I forgot to get the power cord for the powered hub from the other room
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07:11
lol
at least it's just in the other room
went and got it
need to wait for the system to update now
07:53
Just finished watching Captain Phillips. Quite a good movie I reckon.
 
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12:39
morning
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13:21
> Serialization doesn't involve parsing they are totally different
no idea what's going through this guy's mind
14:11
evening
this is slightly annoying.
@Bob re your Unix & Linux Q, have you tried parallel?
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@terdon I haven't tried it yet. There's the potential problem of each instance clashing.
@Bob yeah, I'm playing with a transfer using it but I really don't know how robust it will be for this kid of thing.
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@terdon FileZilla, for example, can do it.
14:17
@Bob I think rsync has an ftp option and that might help since at least it will compress while it transfers
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But I'm limited to the command line in this case.
@terdon How would the compression work? I'm dealing with a basic FTP server at the other end, no bells and whistles.
Not sure, let me have a look, mmight be talking out of my ass here
Bob
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Well, there might be compressed mode... hmmm...
> Data transfer can be done in any of three modes:[1][2]

Stream mode: Data is sent as a continuous stream, relieving FTP from doing any processing. Rather, all processing is left up to TCP. No End-of-file indicator is needed, unless the data is divided into records.
Block mode: FTP breaks the data into several blocks (block header, byte count, and data field) and then passes it on to TCP.[4]
Compressed mode: Data is compressed using a single algorithm (usually run-length encoding).
but that wouldn't really help
big files are fine, it's the overhead of the small files that're killing it
as I understand it, standard FTP (with or without compression) still operates on a per-file basis
and I can't compress before sending
at the moment, it's not just the overhead - I can live with that
the problem is I'm wasting a lot of bandwidth
But will that be better if you run multiple connections in parallel?
Bob
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small files are transferring at maybe 5 kB/s max, when I have a 100Mbit connection.
Larger files can reach 250 kB/s, which is decent if not great
@terdon should be
I suspect a lot of time is wasted waiting for replies due to the high latency.
14:21
Hmmm, and you have no access at all on the remote machine? Damn but a tarball would be useful here
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@terdon Yea. That was my first choice.
@allquixotic: ended up installing dispatch proxy on my desktop (wanted to do it on the pi, but the power adaptor for the USB hub seems to kill off the connectivity to the switch). It does however seem to gracefully ignore the homeplug/gig-e connection going down. Dosen't seem to use much ram either.
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But all I have is FTP
I've asked about remote access, and they said they'd look into it, but no promises.
@Bob: what question?
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(they also said no to SCP and rsync)
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Q: How can I parallelise the upload of a directory by FTP?

BobI need to upload a directory with a rather complicated tree (lots of subdirectories, etc.) by FTP. I am unable to compress this directory, since I do not have any access to the destination apart from FTP - e.g. no tar. Since this is over a very long distance (USA => Australia), latency is quite h...

14:22
The other option might be to run a bash loop on your end to parallelize.
Bob
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@terdon yea, that was the manual option I mentioned near the end
at the moment I'm letting ncftp's mput -r handle it
I could probably loop through the files with bash and call ncftpput on each file
but then there's the auth overhead
it'd have to auth for every call
The complication will be making sure you create the parent paths before atempting to copy children
Bob
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I guess unless there's some existing FTP client that can do this, my only option might be splitting into multiple directories and letting ncftp run through each of them
but that's why I posted the question - if there's any other option
damn, parallel should be able to deal with this
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again, FileZilla can do this, but it's a GUI program
@terdon there would be two ways with parallel
call ncftpput for every file (again, bad because of auth overhead)
14:26
hmm
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or call ncftp mput -r (bad because of possible clash - what happens if two try to upload the same file at once?)
Yeah, unless it implements something clever internally to use the same connection for multiple trasfers
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@JourneymanGeek seen that
and? Did you try lftp?
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14:26
> lftp to accelerate ftp / http download speed
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> For example, download http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.22.2.tar.bz2 file using pget in 5 parts:
$ cd /tmp
$ lftp -e 'pget -n 5 http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.22.2.tar.bz2'
might be worth more investigation
"There is also reverse mirror (mirror -R) which uploads or updates a directory tree on server"
Bob
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but doesn't look very promising
This looks good:
> lftp has shell-like command syntax allowing you to launch several com‐
mands in parallel in background (&). It is also possible to group com‐
mands within () and execute them in background. All background jobs are
executed in the same single process. You can bring a foreground job to
background with ^Z (c-z) and back with command `wait' (or `fg' which is
alias to `wait'). To list running jobs, use command `jobs'. Some com‐
mands allow redirecting their output (cat, ls, ...) to file or via pipe
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14:27
@JourneymanGeek hm. yea, that might be it actually
lol, installing it so I can check the man page
That was from the manpage
@terdon: yes, you kids and your newfangled internet man pages ;p
Oy! I just ran man lftp
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14:29
@terdon I don't want to launch multiple commands
kids indeed, shut up puppy!
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because we run into the same problem as parallel
@Bob I was hoping that lftp will manage it, running them in parallel and using the same connection for them.
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> mput [-c] [-d] [-a] [-E] [-O base] files

Upload files with wildcard expansion. By default it uses the base name of local name as
remote one. This can be changed by `-d' option.

-c continue, reput
-d create directories the same as in file names and put the files into them
instead of current directory
-E delete source files after successful transfer (dangerous)
-a use ascii mode (binary is the default)
-O <base> specifies base directory or URL where files should be placed
Bob
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14:30
hmmm
Hang on, why do you need a command line program?
Bob
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doesn't seem to be a recursive option though
@terdon completely headless server
installing X would be quite far in the realm of overkill
Why don't you run filezilla and export the display to your local machine?
ssh -Y bob@remote filezilla
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uh.. my local is Windows :P
maybe if I installed a local X server, but... :P
14:31
Well, there's your problem right there ;)
so THATS why my internets were slow
@Bob: or mobaxterm ;p
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yea, ideally I want something I can run from, say, a SSH client on my phone
but that's not really necessary
@JourneymanGeek ok, I'll try lftp :P
@Bob encouraging (from man lftp):
> cmd:parallel (number)
Number of jobs run in parallel in non-interactive mode. For
example, this may be useful for scripts with multiple `get' com‐
mands. Note that setting this to a value greater than 1 changes
conditional execution behaviour, basically makes it inconsis‐
tent.
@Bob actually, are you sure FTP can handle parallel transfers? I thought the protocol itself is limited to one at a time per connection.
arg, my system was all weird, had to clean the dust...
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@JourneymanGeek (@terdon) lftp with mirror -R -P 20 localpath was perfect
14:44
Cool! Care to write that up as an A?
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@JourneymanGeek ^
@terdon they might just open multiple connections
A good question that will get closed for being off-topic:
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Q: Firefox OS vs Android vs IOS ( Execution Speed)

firefliesliveIs firefox OS really faster compare to others? Someone here who has an experienced using firefox phone.. Is it a matter of HTML5+JS VS Java VS Objective-C faster/more efficient than the other?

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or maybe FTP allows multiple data connections with a single control connection, I dunno :P
@Bob yeah but that's what you'retrying to avoid.
Me neither :)
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@ThatBrazilianGuy "good"? rather subjective...
@terdon multiple connections are fine if they stay open
that's the whole goal
14:45
Strangely enough, I can't see the "close" button, only the "flag" one. O_o
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the problem is if it starts reopening/reauthing every time
which it doesn't seem to be doing
@Bob if they stay open OK, so they're reused. Fair enough.
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@terdon I'm just assuming :P
but it seems like the smart way of implementing this
@Bob Well, an answer that states "you can't directly compare measurements for those OSes because this and that and that", explaining this in depth and detail, would be a good answer IMO.
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it's uploaded 170 MB in under 5 mins :D
14:47
@ThatBrazilianGuy mm... vs? you sure?
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this is with 20 parallel connections
@Braiam What do you mean?
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this is compared to the previous sequential upload reaching 240 MB in an hour and 15 mins :P
normally that kind of question tend to start an battle about who's the fastest under X circumstances...
@Bob cool!
14:49
@Braiam: answered, let me know if I made any errors ;p
@JourneymanGeek wut?
@JourneymanGeek ain't you looking for @terdon ?
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thanks @JourneymanGeek @terdon!
14:53
no, I was looking for @Bob ;p
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15x faster :D
I'm obviously barking up the wrong tree.
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@JourneymanGeek Nice tab completion there :P
??????
is tried. Lots of walkies today
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14:57
> Q: Why do the secure protocols https and ftps give the "PRNG not seeded" error
message?
A: Your system probably lacks a /dev/random-like device. Create a ~/.rnd file
containing random characters and SSL will work. See also the OpenSSL FAQ
about this.
O.O
I dunno, that sounds like a horribly insecure way to do this :P
...
you could get a hardware rng ;p
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@JourneymanGeek Oh, not a problem I'm having.
Just reading the FAQ
holy crap this question exploded: ux.stackexchange.com/questions/49991/…
in hot questions for at least half a week now
yeah.something needs to be done about the hot Qs algorithm...
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15:03
131
Q: What formula should be used to determine "hot" questions?

Jeff AtwoodRight now the front page Popular tab is fairly broken -- it's a simple descending sort by views. As Joel said in podcast #18, it is "a self-fulfilling prophecy." But this is not intentional, it's only because we haven't had time to improve it yet! As I sit down to write a better algorithm, I tho...

@Bob was that only a week ago? it feels forever
> asked 7 days ago
> It is not the formula used to determine the network hot list
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@Braiam eh.
the question you linked apparently isn't the one that decides the network wide hotlist ;)
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Q: How do the "arbitrary hotness points" work on the new Stack Exchange home page?

Maxim ZaslavskyI really like the new Stack Exchange home page, where certain questions from the Stack Exchange Network are presented, along with a hotness rating that is described as "arbitrary" in its tooltip. How do these arbitrary hotness points work?

wait, forget it, I'm spilling BS, you are right
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huhuhuh??
15:10
ARG! Can someone decipher what Jeff say in the last paragraph?
> Update: Note that this formula is what is used on the hot tab linked from the homepage of each site. It is not the formula used to determine the network hot list. See How do the “arbitrary hotness points” work on the new Stack Exchange home page?.
wow, my system is so silent now...
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@Braiam I believe your first interpretation was right.
@Bob I hate when I'm right and then start to doubt myself :/
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15:43
@JourneymanGeek @terdon lftp seems to allow asynchronous sending, which should queue commands on the server side
I'm not going to cancel my current upload, but that might be an interesting option (add to answer, @JourneymanGeek?)
> FTP asynchronous mode (pipelining)
Lftp can speed up ftp operations by sending several commands at once and then checking all
the responses. See ftp:sync-mode variable. Sometimes this does not work, thus synchronous
mode is the default. You can try to turn synchronous mode off and see if it works for you. It
is known that some network software dealing with address translation works incorrectly in the
case of several FTP commands in one network packet.

RFC959 says: ``The user-process sending another command before the completion reply would be
16:13
@Bob wow, sweet!
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@terdon It seems to be waiting on individual commands before continuing with the next. At least with the commands I can see - it only displays a single one, and won't change while it's "waiting for connection". That implies that it's got a single command connection open.
better if I could packet capture it, but I don't have time right now to spin up a Linux VM and all that
also, 20 might be a bit much for the destination server :P
it's stalling a lot on FEAT negotiation
@Braiam Poor guy
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@terdon I think I managed to bring down the FTP server! :P
hm.
if 20 parallel connections can bring it down, that's a pretty shit server :\
Down or unresponsive?
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@Hennes hangs on FEAT
I remember the days of yore, with slow disks, little memory (so not much buffering) and massive IO.
-> Please wait till tomorrow. Operation might be resumed. (tm)
16:36
@Braiam why?
@terdon I have to explain too many things... and I doubt OP will understand everything I will say :(
Ah, OK. Well, at least telling him to set up some actual virtual hosts would be nice. Your comment seemed kind of pointless.
he's following a guide to set up a LAMP server, and I wanted to make sure he knows he's setting up a LAMP server ;)
(some quirks are LAMP only... somehow)
@Braiam I hadn't seen the link in his Q, I get it now
17:33
hello ladies
I'm considering upgrading to Windows 8
If i use the 8.1 upgrade assistant thingy, will i have any issues with it deleting apps etc?
17:49
Shop, watch ads, buy game and tap into your favorite e-spam from virtually anywhere. and this is going to cost ME?
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18:23
@SimonSheehan make a disk image first
on the off chance something breaks (speaking from experience..)
18:38
Le sigh.
I want to order some pens. Amazon has them.
Amazon.de is closest and fastest, and UK_SHOP on amazon.de has the items cheap..... but does not ship them to their neighbouring country.
So now I am ordering from a shop in the UK, which as experience tells me, will ship from the amazon warehouse in Germany.
On the risk of triggering inkt or pen related discussion: There are fabulous:
19:31
@Hennes That's a whole lotta pens.
19:43
Most pictures with a sit of four pens are a single pen.
I had 4 V-pens. Pink, purple, dark green, blue. I am now out of pink A (which is a light red), blue (light blue is not very light), almost of light green (which is a dark green) and halfway though purple
That is after about a year. So with shipping costs I prefer to get a few spare and save on a second (or third, depending on how you look at it) shipment
20:01
418: I am a teapot
(Coming from a person who run a HTCPCP compatible webserver)
20:54
@Bob @JourneymanGeek you thought the GPU surgery was hardcore? how about this
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21:06
@Hennes Oh hi :P
@allquixotic Hardcore? Hardly.
@allquixotic Ugh.. about to leave for work. I'll watch it in 10 12 hours :P
21:35
wasn't there someone asking here a few days ago about ads randomly popping up?
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21:50
@allquixotic yea. didn't we suggest chrome and updates being possible causes?
@allquixotic and boom... there goes google attempts to stop adware...
(and malware?)
22:14
@Bob windows 8 install broke some stuff eh?
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22:31
8.1*
and it didn't like the Ralink drivers
Java has a place in security in all the wrong ways. — SteveS 4 hours ago
heh
o.O
>

The Cisco 2014 Annual Security Report found that Java represented 91 percent of all Indicators of Compromise (IOCs) in 2013.
I knew it was bad, but that's just crazy.
@Braiam ^
@allquixotic via The Bridge
@Bob meh, nobody use java anyways :)
Exept when you do not have a choice ( Nearby hospital and VPN client needing an old version of java. Afterall you need a VPN for security
you never need an old version of java... you need a new version of whatever need that old version of java (true fact)
True.
22:47
@JourneymanGeek seriously?
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@Braiam My server's IPMI :(
My Dells DRAC also needs JAVA
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(IPMI interface is a bit like ATM machine or PIN number... whoops)
@JourneymanGeek someone without context will take very bad that part...
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