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kuruvi

00:03

@JourneymanGeek I just did

Journeyman Geek

ahh excellent

blogs.law.harvard.edu/acts/2013/11/08/… might help

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ..law...blog?

Journeyman Geek

shrug

the information looks good to me.

its recent, and I'm not familiar with the state of the art on fuse on macs.

Bob

lol

Anonymous

sup @JourneymanGeek

Journeyman Geek

00:12

not much

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Mech keyboard is here! :D

it arrived at 6am o.O

I didn't know auspost delivered that early

and apparently they rang the doorbell, dropped it, and ran...

Journeyman Geek

o0

Bob

so much for "signature on delivery required"

Mar 17 '11 at 3:11, by The Journeyman geek

o0 my rep is a lot higher than i remember

I was curious when you first said o0 in here :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

wow it's heavy

@JourneymanGeek the manual is dodgy :P

media.kogan.com/files/usermanuals/KAMKBMXBRNA-A.pdf

looks like a clone of armaggeddon.net/gaming-keyboards/stealth-raptor-mka-7

esp. cause it actually mentions the name in multiple places in the manual...

Anonymous

00:37

oh god

Anonymous

bitbucket.org/FeministSoftwareFoundation/c-plus-equality/src/…

Anonymous

Feminist Software Foundation's C-plus-equality

Anonymous

I hope this is a joke

Bob

@PatoSáinz that's... gotta be a joke

Anonymous

> Programs are never to be "forked", as the word has clear misogynistic tendencies and is deeply problematic. Instead, programmers may never demand "forking", but ask for the program to voluntarily give permission. "Forking" will henceforth be called "consenting", and it is entirely up to the program to decide if the consent stands valid, regardless of the progress of the system clock.

Anonymous

00:39

> The traditional binary foundation of 1s and 0s is deeply problematic: 1 is inherently phallic and thus misogynistic. Also, some 1s are 0s, and some 0s are 1s.

Bob

uhm

yea, it's a joke

I'll just treat it as one.

Anonymous

it's a joke

Anonymous

news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6903584

Anonymous

that HN thread is half buttraged feminists and half trolls

Anonymous

@Bob it all began from a thread at 4chan's /g/ haahha

Anonymous

00:43

boards.4chan.org/g/res/38721055

Anonymous

oh boy 4chan you make me laugh

allquixotic

@Bob am I the only one who's seriously excited about the next few Firefox releases?

I think by 28, FF will be like a completely different program

Shumway and the new UI

Anonymous

@allquixotic you are not alone

Bob

@allquixotic I don't much like the new UI tbh

been using Nightly at work for a while (the JS debugger is improving! :D)

Anonymous

i'd switch to aurora right now if i weren't that lazy

allquixotic

00:48

I LOOKED at nightly when the new UI first hit... I'll probably start using it as my production browser when it hits beta, because I can't stand to wait any longer than that

and it's unlikely to contain any completely broken functionality by beta time

That Brazilian Guy

01:05

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Anonymous

holy shit

Anonymous

just started a twitter fight

Anonymous

01:11

that's dangerous terrain

Anonymous

@jacobian impersonating women? there isn't a person named "women" and I think that a natural person identity is needed to impersonate.

Tweeted by superpatosainz on December 14, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Anonymous

how can i make clear i'm not sexist but writing a whole language just for satire isn't either

Bob

uhm

Anonymous

damn, NSFW, forgot context

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ...this is going to take some time to get used to...

also, lack of a Windows key on the right :(

Bob

01:30

@JourneymanGeek The browns are actually about the same volume (maybe quieter) as my old domed keyboard..

Bob

02:09

gah

Canadian Luke

03:04

Qq: tomorrow, I'm ripping out all the network cords at work, to sort them all, label, and remove non-working switches. Any advice, other then document everything?

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

People here?

Bob

maybe

@CanadianLuke ...non-working switches?

oih yea, get one of those ethernet testers

they'll be invaluable if something does get mixed up

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

You know how in Windows 8, it saves the app state when you shutdown and when you start up the computer again, it brings you back to where you were?

Why doesn't it do the same with Desktop?

Bob

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute why should it?

apps have very specific restrictions and APIs that enable this functionality

if you could live with all the restricitons, then don't use desktop

simple as that

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

So you don't have to save your stuff a 100 times every time you shutdown when updating.

Bob

03:06

you can't simply save the state of one program while changing the state of the OS as a whole

standby/hibernate works because it saves the state of the whole system

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

save a snapshot of open windows in the ram when shutting down and retrieve it when the computer is started.

Bob

apps can be 'saved' (not really) because they have specific API hooks that allow this, and restrictions that stop them from doing things that can't be saved

46 secs ago, by Bob

you can't simply save the state of one program while changing the state of the OS as a whole

a program will expect that nothing else has changed

Canadian Luke

K anything else?

Bob

you're talking about pulling the rug out under the feet of a running program

which is just plain stupid

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

I might be wrong, but it's a little bit too much to call me stupid for my curiosity, don't you think?

Bob

03:08

Windows does send notifications to all running programs (that have message pumps) whenever it's about to log off/shut down

it's up to them to save their own state

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute I'm not calling you stupid - don't take it personally

Gowtham

Anyone tried installing SteamOS ?

> Custom graphics compositor designed to provide a seamless transition between Steam, its games and the SteamOS system overlay

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute lol

Bob

Linux, et al., do kind of deal with updates while the system is running

but it's not quite the same thing

they don't force programs to load the new version of whatever updated library - they simply keep the old version loaded until the program is restarted

they certainly do not restart the system and reload the memory of running programs

Gowtham

03:38

Hmm DirectX SDK has a lot of tutorials really helpful ;p

Gowtham

04:11

AMD seems to have contributed a lot of sample code ;p

allquixotic

@Bob and some daemons on Linux are agile enough (due to their design / the design of the system) to not even terminate any TCP sockets or disrupt any activity while it restarts, provided there's no serious ABI break

web servers and OpenSSH are good at that usually

Bob

@allquixotic in that case, though, the host process would have to stay up, wouldn't it?

I suppose if they had a dedicated process that keeps the socket open, that could be simple enough to not need any changes

Journeyman Geek

@CanadianLuke if you can, colour code them

@Gowtham: I am likely to try it

Canadian Luke

04:43

It's public education, lack of funds lol. I'll use a marker

Bob

@CanadianLuke if you aren't rerouting anything, and only swapping out switches, it might help to only swap a couple at a time

or even one at a time

maybe a bit slower, but less chance of mixing htings up

Gowtham

@JourneymanGeek You have a paper in DirectX ?

Canadian Luke

Alright. It's gonna be a big improvement, hopefully

Bob

@JourneymanGeek That backlight is going to be useful :D

(ugh... I chose the camera that takes 6 MB photos... this'll take a while)

Journeyman Geek

04:59

@Gowtham: steamos ;p

allquixotic

31

Q: How does SSH connection survive a network restart?

From a Linux SSH shell, type /etc/init.d/network restart to restart the network service. I expect my SSH connection to die since the network service goes down. But it doesn't. Very cool. But how does Linux achieve this? How does it keep my SSH connection alive accross the service restart?

both answers provide a distinct but correct piece of the puzzle

Gowtham

05:11

@JourneymanGeek It works only with nvidia for now :'(

Journeyman Geek

@Gowtham: almost a pity

I have a spare hard drive and a nvidia gpu ;p

(and about a million other things I need done)

Gowtham

Journeyman Geek

theawl.com/2013/12/the-new-spammer-panic

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Bob

05:34

o.O

Journeyman Geek

@Gowtham: I'm looking at the FAQ for steamos. Its debian based, and can't be that hard to hack in AMD driver support

Gowtham

They have some Custom graphics compositor

bugs ^ infinity is all I can think of

Bob

Gowtham

mechanical keyboard ?

Journeyman Geek

"The drivers for SteamOS are provided as part of the system image and integrated by Valve. Valve will be integrating new and updated drivers over time. The process for installing new drivers should not
be different from any other distribution in that the Debian community or Valve will re-package new driver releases and re-distribute them. If an end-user wants to install a new driver package on top of their existing SteamOS installation we expect to remain largely compatible with the Debian packaging scheme."

also, it runs gnome

Gowtham

05:38

old one or the new ugly one ?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I've heard of armagaddon, they're a second tier gaming hardware maker

@Gowtham: I THINK its the old one

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Second gear?

Journeyman Geek

either would need X support

Gowtham

@Bob nice volume rocker

Journeyman Geek

*tier

Bob

05:38

(this is some weird rebranded one... but it works well)

@JourneymanGeek second tier?

Journeyman Geek

yes

Bob

@Gowtham lol

it works for controlling the backlight too

@JourneymanGeek uhm. not sure I understand what that means

Journeyman Geek

sorry, its hard typing with paws some days ;p

Gowtham

@Bob I have no idea what to call it :P so I called it a rocker ^_^

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: basically, they're not one of the big boys like razer, but they tend to sell gaming centric stuff, like mechanical keyboards. Wouldn't be suprised if both kogan and armagaddon just used the same OEM

Bob

05:40

@JourneymanGeek heck, their manual mentioned the armaggeddon model number :P

Journeyman Geek

ya

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Also, USB n-key rollover :D

Journeyman Geek

;p

Bob

I didn't even think that was possible

though perhaps that's driver-dependent and would fail on something simpler

Journeyman Geek

dogs can't hit more than 2 keys at once anyway.

Bob

05:43

lol

paws too short?

Journeyman Geek

paws, not fingers

;p

(actually, I generally don't hit two keys at once outside gaming. Even then, I tend to stick to WASD space and mouse)

Bob

ya

@JourneymanGeek there was that one game that required both hands on keyboard

but I generally prefer the mouse

main advantage over consoles :P

the only time I've actually wanted multi-key was when trying multiplayer on one KB :P

Journeyman Geek

yeah

iirc MS has a nice little tool for testing that

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I used this: gigahype.com/nkey-rollover-test-page

Journeyman Geek

oh

Bob

05:58

which is apparently the MS one anyway! :P

Journeyman Geek

also, that 'mechanical keyboards are noisy'? complete myth unless you have a model M

Bob

@JourneymanGeek heh

it's a bit noisier than the low-profile ones

but, as i said before, my domed keyboard is pretty damn loud

@JourneymanGeek microsoft.com/appliedsciences/content/projects/…

Journeyman Geek

oh, low profile ones are scissors

Bob

I imagine a blue is louder, though

Journeyman Geek

I was thinking compared to your average 'oldschool' desktop keyboard

Bob

06:00

@JourneymanGeek ya, rubber domes

Gowtham

06:14

whoa, valve decides to gift everyone so many rare items in D2 <3

And here I am smiling like a idiot opening virtual presents

Bob

07:39

@JourneymanGeek Next on the upgrade list: mouse

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: quite a few nice options there

I'd probably suggest a logitech

I like my roccat, and their customer support rocks

but if someone came up to me and asked me for a mouse suggestion... ;p

Bob

heh

too expensive? probably

Journeyman Geek

the XTD, yeah

unless you came into a bit of money

the pure is fairly nice

Bob

08:07

@JourneymanGeek Problem is, I'm used to long, narrow mice. And two buttons on the thumb side. Those are surprisingly hard to find :\

Journeyman Geek

yeah, that would be an issue

Bob

hey, look, SteamOS is out

Oliver Salzburg

09:51

I remember a time when Windows was the Steam OS :(

Bob

> Modified: 2005-02-21

D:

Journeyman Geek

10:08

lol

I have it downloaded

might try it tommorrow

apparently its a VERY good idea to unplug my other drives while running the installer, and I need to do some prep work first.

Boris_yo

10:34

@JourneymanGeek Do you mess with these? e.dx.com/collection/201312/arduino/…

Bob

10:45

why is it so quiet in here today

@JourneymanGeek the keyboard feels sufficiently different that my key order is actually getting messed up..

Journeyman Geek

11:43

@Bob It takes a bit of getting used to

@Boris_yo: not really

Boris_yo

I think goldfish repond in delay sometimes to my gestures...

*respond

Bob

12:27

arghghhgh clamshell packaging

@JourneymanGeek how does it affect usage of other keyboards?

Boris_yo

@Bob Was invented on purpose so there will be market demand for clamshell cutters.

Gowtham

13:04

Lua is weird

time to mine litecoins ^_^ beta.slashdot.org/story/195585

Bob

13:26

@Gowtham wut

Gowtham

wow, no one buys amd cards amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Computer-Graphics-Cards/…

or they have all run out of stock

Boris_yo

@Gowtham Yes, I saw news about newest AMD video cards being in shortage.

allquixotic

13:45

EHLO

Bob

@allquixotic HI

how's the NUC now that you have it set up?

allquixotic

@Bob the mSATA SSD is out for delivery today, so I don't have it set up yet

Bob

ah

allquixotic

sending back a 60 GB 2.5" SSD in exchange for a 32GB mSATA :/

for a router it won't matter at all, but i was hoping to be able to do something else with it... what, I don't know

Gowtham

@allquixotic ??

Bob

13:53

@allquixotic I have a rpi serving perfectly well as a router at the moment

I suppose it's limited mostly by the lack of GbE and USB 3.0, though

the CPU is more than powerful enough for most purposes

heck, the lack of GbE and USB 3.0 won't matter unless I try to turn it into a NAS

the switch can handle GbE in the LAN, and my WAN connection is nowhere near megabit, let along gigabit

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Not a smart exchange...

Bob

@Boris_yo uh?

...

Journeyman Geek

14:19

@Bob not at all for me, but I switch keyboards a lot.

@Bob: wireless or wired?

and how many ports?

Bob

reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1suo7g/…

Journeyman Geek

(at the moment I'm working with 3 different systems, each with its own quieks)

Bob

excellent writeup :P

@JourneymanGeek the network?

half wires, half wireless

I have a bunch of switches and APs handling the LAN

the Pi is purely for WAN routing

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Bob

it does its job

Journeyman Geek

14:22

so, added a usb-ethernet adaptor?

Bob

I'm pretty sure it could handle a VPN or three with no problems, either

@JourneymanGeek just IPv4 forwarding at the moment

Journeyman Geek

I'm rather tempted by this dx.com/p/…

Bob

which would have serious performance impacts, but my WAN is so slow it doesn't matter

Journeyman Geek

lol

true

Bob

if I ever get FTTH (maybe next century), I'll consider upgrading to a USB eth dongle

Journeyman Geek

14:24

(though that said, I am bloody getting ethernet throughout the apartment when I get a place of my own)

@Bob: or a real router XD

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yea, we have that handled

but the WAN is mostly out of our control

Journeyman Geek

or in my case, two

Bob

@JourneymanGeek the Pi is far more powerful than most "real routers"

unless you go into enterprise territory

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: most real routers have a dedicated chip for routing.

Least I believe the 2wire I took apart did

Bob

@JourneymanGeek sure you mean routing and not the switch component?

and not the WAP?

Journeyman Geek

14:26

and no, not the wap.

I probably was confusing the switch component

Bob

the switch being a discrete chip wouldn't surprise me

with such high throughput and it being pretty much a dumb device

but the routing part is usually configurable, and it would make no sense to have another part just for the webserver

also, a Pi is far more flexible

I can do things on it easily that would have taken many many hours on dd-wrt

(dd-wrt is actually running on a router downstream of the Pi - the Pi is for WAN routing only, and the dd-wrt router is used to segregate the LAN)

and there's another WAN router upstream of the Pi, but I'm treating that as a dumb device - because it really is dumb, and it's impossible to find an ADSL modem/router that's powerful

and dd-wrt won't run on modems anyway

if I ever figure out how to turn a Pi into an ADSL2+ router, that one is going.

Journeyman Geek

most ~~ADSL~~ modem routers... suck... hard

Bob

@JourneymanGeek ya

but, again, what choice do I have?

Journeyman Geek

on the other hand, I've not seen a standalone modem in ages

Bob

I'm not going to spend $500 on the off-chance that a good one even exists

Journeyman Geek

14:32

come to think of it, I've heard horrid things of the cable modem-router our ISP uses either

Bob

much rather stick a Pi in and take the slight performance hit from another layer of routing

Journeyman Geek

Mines modem ---> router/AP -----> 'switch/'ap'

most of the systems are connected to the router/ap and the connection between the two aps is over power line networking

Bob

lol

mine's... ouch, this'll be hard to draw

Journeyman Geek

lol

I'd draw something more detailed if I had ASCIIflow

Bob

modem---->rpi---->router/switch/AP---->router/switch/AP
  |
  |
  \---->router/switch/AP---->switch
           |
           |
           \---->switch/AP

that's a reasonable representation

I'm on that switch in the middle

that could probably be considered our 'main' network

Journeyman Geek

14:41

yeah

Bob

there's a separate network going off from the rpi

Journeyman Geek

thats... complex

Bob

that's for, uh, other people

Journeyman Geek

ahh, guest network

Bob

I considered moving the main network onto the rpi

Journeyman Geek

14:42

lol

Bob

but didn't want to touch it at the time

@JourneymanGeek putting it mildly

tbh I don't control anything after the router on the rpi

Journeyman Geek

in your shoes, I'd just throw on a cheap wifi dongle, and use hostapd for a ap

Bob

so that last leaf on the top row? it's a router right now, but could be anything

@JourneymanGeek the guest portion is actually partially wireless, partially wired

and I want it to be on the WAN side of our primary router

that's a very important part of it

I trust it about as far as the public internet

in fact, probably less

Journeyman Geek

lol

if I end up getting a local job, and living with my parents a little longer, getting a small, seperated network for my own gear is likely to happen

(I seriously would find life easier if all my systems were connected by gig-e)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek that's made my life a lot easier :D

file transfer? faster than the HDD! :D

Journeyman Geek

14:45

@Bob: yeah ;p

I'm currently waffling over whether I need a 'proper' nas

Bob

I run a cat5e to my bed so I can plug my laptop in if I need to :P

@JourneymanGeek eh, entirely too expensive for me

come on, $200 for a HDD container?

Journeyman Geek

I'm toying with adding a power line networking node to my room as well

@Bob: which runs independantly.

Bob

it'll only cost me $100 to chuck a modern Pentium onto that old computer in the other room :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: power use, and size ;p

Bob

prob is, that's on a 100mbit segment of the network :\

Journeyman Geek

14:47

as I said, waffling ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek fine, a mobile celeron if I really wanted

a 'proper' NAS is hardly space-efficient

Journeyman Geek

I'm currently trying to to a cost/benefir analysis

@Bob: some are pretty small

Bob

on the primary network, only the router/AP and the lone switch are gigabit

the other switch/AP is 100mbit

Journeyman Geek

the current option is to add a bigger usb hdd onto the raspi

Bob

@JourneymanGeek eh, it's a mini-atx

not too big

Journeyman Geek

14:48

or to revive my old atom box

Bob

which reminds me

@CanadianLuke weren't you the guy with the idea of RAID 1 on flash drives?

Journeyman Geek

but as I said, I'm currently doing a cost/benefit analysis first ;p

Bob

if you were... your employer has proper switches and wiring and won't spring for a proper HDD??

Journeyman Geek

hmm

macguild.org/raid.html

;p

oldie but a goodie.

hm,

not cool

the power outage seems to have caused the raspi not to boot.

Bob

o.O

@JourneymanGeek check the SD card

Journeyman Geek

14:52

@Bob: yeah

Bob

Pis love killing the card :\

Journeyman Geek

will need to do that tommorrow. That specific SD card tends to corrupt when there's a power outage

and of couuurrrseeee I didn't image it

Bob

@JourneymanGeek RAID 4 o.O

are there any actual implementations of that?

Journeyman Geek

no idea ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek :(

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