Root Access

allquixotic

15:00

@ThatBrazilianGuy great, you've just ensured that we'll soon see TeX and PDF advertisements on malware sites

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek I forgot to ask you about appeal in American court. That story with veterinarian who misdiagnosed your dog and was not found guilty... Haven't you submitted appeal?

allquixotic

"A Mathematical Model To Improve One's Chances Of Getting L..d
By Prof. Dr. Richard P. Enis"

Braiam

O_O

/me has a perverted mind that fill in the blanks D:

That Brazilian Guy

@allquixotic Getting lard is serious business. Ask any farmer, he'll agree.

Boris_yo

@allquixotic "Getting laid"? No way man! I do not want to get laid of my work. I invested a lot of years into it and intend to retire as it should be.

Psycogeek

15:11

@Boris_yo I do not know if appeals are possible in small claims situations. I think there are situations of moving to higher courts. but i already lost money in the lower ones. Appeal sounds like a lawyer kind of thing. What i watned was more like tossing the judge off the bench :-)

Boris_yo

Whoever came with that model is likely leader tries to provoke worldwide revolution so people quite their jobs and cause economic disasters. Or he works for shadow government to provoke civil unrest so government can deploy marshall law.

That Brazilian Guy

@Boris_yo I think it is "getting lied", as in, told false statements. But why would I need a book telling me how to do that? I just turn on the TV when politicians are speaking!

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Didn't you perform "sure you can!" on the judge when you had opportunity?

That Brazilian Guy

And I managed to find my regex! Replace (\w{32})\s\n by \"$1\"\, and live happilly ever after!

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo After loosing in court, we had the ability to thrash them on the web, without it effecting a case. For a few months the pic of my limp dog was the vets ONLY picure on the link to google maps :-) It was not very long after the few other places we put them on the web , they change the name they use for the clinic on the web. Changing the name effectivly wiped off the reviews.

Boris_yo

15:17

@ThatBrazilianGuy Improve of one's chances of getting lied to? As a person who wants to lie to someone, how do you improve chances of somebody else to get cheated? This does not sound right.

That Brazilian Guy

Yes, should look instead for methods of making others believe the lies, instead than just telling lies. But on the other hand s (I'm not Kali!), low success rates with high number of trials might work, spammers have been trying this aproach for years now!

Boris_yo

@ThatBrazilianGuy Kali? 0.o

That Brazilian Guy

!!tell 12572555 no

ChatBot John Cavil

That Brazilian Guy

Kali

(, ), also known as (), is the Hindu goddess associated with empowerment, shakti. The name Kali comes from kāla, which means black, time, death, lord of death, Shiva. Since Shiva is called Kāla—the eternal time—Kālī, his consort, also means "Time" or "Death" (as in time has come). Hence, Kāli is the Goddess of Time and Change. Although sometimes presented as dark and violent, her earliest incarnation as a figure of annihilation of evil forces still has some influence. Various Shakta Hindu cosmologies, as well as Shākta Tantric beliefs, worship her as the ultimate reality or Brahma...

Where are the Hindi in this chatroom when we need them? =P

Gowtham

15:33

Only Sathya knows Hindi ;p

Psycogeek

@ThatBrazilianGuy wow i learn something (i didnt want to know :) every day.

Gowtham

@Psycogeek lol, we all do

That Brazilian Guy

@Psycogeek There's a XKCD for that!

Gowtham

badass kali

@ThatBrazilianGuy link ?

Psycogeek

@Gowtham multiple arms again. i am beginning to think that might be an effective first of the genetic manipulations. Having an extra hand for getting things done. Or post nuclear fallout isses :-)

That Brazilian Guy

15:36

@Gowtham !!xkcd 1053

!!xkcd 1053

ChatBot John Cavil

Saying 'what kind of an idiot doesn't know about the Yellowstone supervolcano' is so much more boring than telling someone about the Yellowstone supervolcano for the first time.

That Brazilian Guy

There's always a XKCD for anything.

5

Gowtham

@Psycogeek pretty much every hindu god has extra hands/heads/other mammal parts

Psycogeek

@Gowtham you say jump . . .

they say how high phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/02/13/…

Boris_yo

Suspect In San Francisco PlayStation 4 Killing Pleads Not Guilty
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/12/09/suspect-in-san-francisco-playstation-4-killing-pleads-not-guilty/

That Brazilian Guy

15:43

@Gowtham TIL frogs are Hindu gods!

Boris_yo

I don't want to live in this world anymore...

rlemon

o/

so who wants to give me a crash course on VPN routers ??

allquixotic

hi lemony

That Brazilian Guy

Wait, what? "San Francisco PlayStation 4 Killing"? No, wait, I don't want to know.

allquixotic

!!tell 12572864 maybe

ChatBot John Cavil

15:44

That Brazilian Guy

@rlemon Sure. There's VPN, and there's routers. Mix enough of the two, you get VPN routers!

allquixotic

@rlemon a bit too general -- can you be a little more specific?

rlemon

okay, well would you like to hear what "I think" a magical solution VPN is? or my actual need :P

TRiG

@allquixotic I knew JPEG and JPG were the same. I didn't know JPEG was older. What about JPE?

allquixotic

@rlemon that question (posed in that specific way and generality and manner of phrasing) reminds me of Star Trek TNG, episode "Samaritan Snare", where they encountered a race called the Pakleds

Pakleds: "Our ship is the Mondor. It is broken. We are far from home. We need help. Can you make our ship go? We look for things to make us go."

rlemon

15:47

I have 500 users with the technical know-how of mr. Grumpy-Cat up there. They need 'remote management' which atm involves me calling them and/or their ISP and walking them through port forwarding and some other general router setup.

I would like to not do that anymore

allquixotic

@rlemon if you have enough money, use Hamachi or GotoMyPC

rlemon

3

and people say our room trolls ^

allquixotic

Hamachi should work well provided that the system is functional enough to be networked and not crash when installing a new netfilt driver

rlemon

@allquixotic well I need a plug and play solution. Assuming they have internet on site, I would like to just send them a device and have it "work"

allquixotic

GotoMyPC strictly opens an outbound port to a remote box and forwards frames, then passes input back through the server to the box

Boris_yo

15:49

@allquixotic Can you play Doom 1 with Hamachi over the internet?

allquixotic

@rlemon why does it have to be a device? gotomypc.com

you sign up, you pay GoToMyPC money, and in return, you literally provide the troubled user with a URL to click on.

if they can click on a link, you can get remote desktop to them

rlemon

@allquixotic we don't build desktops :P

allquixotic

I... what?

you have server admins with the technical knowhow of Tardar Sauce?

rlemon

lol, in a nutshell, this is for transmitting data from a headless server

and we don't have server admins. We have farmers

maybe I should tell you what I do

allquixotic

o..........kay.............. so you're telling me that you need to be able to remote in (I guess via SSH?) to a box behind a NAT, from the public internet, and the box itself is headless and not GUI-driven?

rlemon

15:51

►

those boxes.

allquixotic

can you give any kind of description of what type of operating system the boxes are running? or does it vary?

I can't watch videos at work, so you'll have to describe it in textual format

rlemon

QNX 4.24

allquixotic

Jesus H. Christ

rlemon

dryermaster.com/product/1

Oliver Salzburg

lol

allquixotic

15:52

QNX?!?! that destroys my hope of a software solution

rlemon

SOOOOOO back to VPN routers ;)

allquixotic

right

Boris_yo

@ThatBrazilianGuy In other Israeli news: "Import duties and customs make Sony Playstation 4 expensive especially in Brazil however there are still buyers."

allquixotic

VPN routers. a router that does the VPN stuff on its side and lets its client connect to the VPN "transparently" (or so we hope)

rlemon

am I right to think that I can just buy a bunch of these, configure them to talk to my server somewhere, then send them out to the clients?

they put them online and BAM! it all works?

allquixotic

15:54

@rlemon provided that you configure them properly, in theory, yes

it would also depend on whether or not the particular VPN solution you choose is blocked by their ISP

Oliver Salzburg

Can be quite painful to get to work behind NAT

rlemon

ok, so that is theoretically what they do

That Brazilian Guy

@Boris_yo Brazilian Gamer Pays $1800 For A Playstation 4 And Has No Games To Play (No, this one IS NOT ME!)

rlemon

@allquixotic I can't imagine it is any more of a PITA then me having to manually talk them through port forwarding over the phone

most of them can't identify their router

allquixotic

@rlemon GRE and IPSec are generally less likely to work than UDP or TCP, and TCP is more likely to work than UDP, and SSL over TCP is more likely to work than anything else

Boris_yo

15:55

@allquixotic H?

allquixotic

your best bet is really to have a router whose VPN protocol uses SSL over TCP -- it's inefficient, but it'll work

even the most restrictive ISP won't be able to tell the difference between a VPN and https://google.com if you use SSL over TCP

rlemon

@allquixotic so in fuck-networking-talk, this should work so long as I buy a proper VPN router?

SkyRipper

can someone please explain the difference between sas expanders and sata port multiplier?

allquixotic

@rlemon yes, but you need to not "fuck networking" and actually understand it in order to know what you're buying

Oliver Salzburg

We use "proper VPN routers" (as advertised) to connect remote offices. You can't set up gateway-to-gateway without knowing the public IP address of the remote office.

rlemon

15:57

@allquixotic well yes, and I will learn -> I do have someone who knows about this, but he is not in the country atm and I'm being pressured to start demo'ing this crap

allquixotic

if you get an enterprise-grade VPN router, I'll bet you $60 that the VPN either (a) only does GRE or IPsec or some combination thereof, or (b) is configured to do that by default; I can practically guarantee that it won't be configured to do SSL over TCP by default

you should really look into running the routers as OpenVPN clients

Boris_yo

GH – What would you say to the people who will criticize you for spending R$ 4.000,00 on a console?

That’s a good question. I’d say that it’s a free world, we are in a free and capitalist country. Everyone is free to buy whatever they want. If it’s on the shelf of a store, it’s for the public to purchase. It’s no big deal.

allquixotic

then run OpenVPN on a properly sized (and bandwidth'ed) server on your publicly routable box

and with enough configuration you'll have a LAN bridge

you can either do layer 2 bridging or you can have the VPN do layer 3 routing; layer 2 bridging is probably simpler from a conceptual standpoint for you

basically if you do layer 2 bridging, the remote QNX boxes will magically appear on a local subnet like 10.something.something.x or 192.168.something.something, once the VPN is connected

rlemon

okay, lets just toss this out there:
my clients need zero setup past plug and play, I need to be able to communicate with them over the web to collect data from their device. They (the clients) are farmers... and their ISPs sometimes suck pretty bad (think small town ISP)

Cost isn't going to be an issue for the most part, I just need a device? I can send them that we configure in house that will allow us to connect with them

allquixotic

even if you have more than one QNX box connected to a given router

rlemon

16:01

so VPN router that supports ssl over tcp ??

allquixotic

@rlemon I already understand your scenario; nothing you just wrote improves my understanding of the problem (not saying that I need more information, just that I already know that)

@rlemon that's what I'd use. look into OpenVPN specifically.

Oliver Salzburg

And don't just use it from within dd-wrt :P

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg aw, why not? :D

rlemon

okay, and like I said i'm am VERY new at this right now. This is the server software?

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic I just did that and found out that it is a CPU hog and it would severely impact performance of the VPN

allquixotic

16:03

@rlemon let me try to explain this as thoroughly as I can

Oliver Salzburg

We ran it on a WNDR3700

rlemon

use small words and sprinkle in food names where you can please. :)

allquixotic

at your central offices or wherever, you have a server, ideally running some type of Linux OS, on the public IPv4 internet

this server runs the OpenVPN software, which is commonly available in distribution package managers

you then purchase routers which either come preinstalled with OpenVPN, or it can be installed by you after the fact

rlemon

okay, that ^ was what I was confused about

allquixotic

you then install OpenVPN (if needed) on the routers, configure them to be OpenVPN clients, point them at your server IP / domain name, give them client SSL certificates, and ship the devices to customers

rlemon

16:04

sweet, sounds great.

allquixotic

note that OpenVPN always communicates using SSL, but it can either use UDP or TCP as the transport layer

rlemon

now does anyone have hardware suggestions?

allquixotic

I would strongly recommend TCP for compatibility

even though UDP is much more efficient

small town ISPs might not do UDP, or might not do it properly

the way you switch between TCP and UDP is a single configuration setting in openvpn.conf

Oliver Salzburg

Slow router + UDP OpenVPN = packet loss, Slow router + TCP OpenVPN = slow throughput

allquixotic

so figuring out how to set it up shouldn't be amazingly hard

and yeah, your routers should not be stupidly slow, please

if you have a hard time finding a hardware OpenVPN device (I don't know of any, to be honest), it might be best to actually build a small box. a small form factor PC running a locked down GNU/Linux would work well.

honestly, it's hard to go wrong with something like a cheap AMD APU, 2 GB of RAM, a teensy tiny SSD, an ITX motherboard with at least 100 Mbps ethernet, and Debian Stable

that would actually work pretty damn well, except that it would be measurably larger than a typical Netgear router in sheer volume/weight

if the client uses WiFi as their connectivity that could be interesting

Ufoguy

16:10

I need to buy a router with OpenWRT support. I want to use it as a NAS, TOR client, Torrent clinet, firewall, packet sniffing etc. Can anybody recommend me one.

Oliver Salzburg

And I want a pony that poops gold coins

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Why not golden goose that poops golden eggs?

Ufoguy

Am I asking for too much

?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo Good thinking!

Ufoguy

I'm not good at figuring out hidden meanings

As far as I know OpenWRT can do all those things

Boris_yo

16:15

@rlemon Hello. How is conspiracyst doing in Java chat? Something new from him?

Ufoguy

Please don't ignore me!

rlemon

idk I tried to make it very clear I wasn't interested in listening to it anymore

Oliver Salzburg

@Ufoguy If it can do all that, just get the most powerful OpenWRT supported router there is

That Brazilian Guy

@Boris_yo Nothing wrong on wanting to pay USD 1800 / 5x mimimum wage on a PS4. No, wait, lots of wrong things, but still, the person has all the right to. The problem here is not a single buyer, but the entire situation of taxes and prices

Ufoguy

I don't want to spend more than I have to. I don't wanna get poorer. Just the one that can do all the above.

That Brazilian Guy

16:19

;_____;

rlemon

@allquixotic that is more power than the system board we run with now :P

Ufoguy

@OliverSalzburg

allquixotic

@Ufoguy thing is, and this is relevant to @rlemon too, when you say router, in terms of an actual brick from Netgear, D-Link, Cisco, etc., most of the time (99.99999999999% of the time) these boxes have ridiculously poor hardware -- maybe 64 or 128 MB of RAM, and a horribly slow MIPS CPU

@rlemon you could probably make do with less, but a modern x86 CPU should give you enough horsepower

rlemon

@allquixotic also consider this: We will have a small rpi like board communicating with the system. Can we use this? it will be hosting some node.js stuff already

allquixotic

@rlemon VPNs tend to be fairly CPU-intensive because of all the crypto... a Raspi-like box hosting NodeJS is not likely to have very many spare cycles for crypto

a modern x86_64 CPU with some recent instruction sets should be able to blaze through the crypto, or you could deliberately configure the OpenVPN client with weak crypto that's almost trivial to crack if you don't care about security, but it'll reduce the computational complexity

most people say "oh, it's just a network connection", but they don't realize the true cost of crypto

2

rlemon

16:22

okay so just make sure I get good hardware

allquixotic

to a modern desktop, crypto is almost an afterthought; it barely fazes it

to a tiny MIPS embedded application processor, crypto is like asking it to lift a 200 pound crate

add on the protocol inefficiencies and you have a workload that is well-suited to an extremely low-end, but modern x86_64 system

rlemon

yea I remember my P3 256meg/ram dying a horrible death when I started playing with crypto in c#

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Depends on what the NodeJS is doing; I agree rPi is hardly an appropriate crypto appliance, but NodeJS will use basically no resources if it's under minimal load. It's runtime is fairly light weight.

allquixotic

@rlemon thing is, modern desktop processors are built with such a high number of transistors, and with a built-in instruction set that does crypto or accelerates it significantly, such that, the difference in crypto performance between, say, a ~2009 ultra low-end Intel CPU and, say, a good router's MIPS CPU, could be a factor of 30 or more

(meaning the former could be 30x faster at it)

routers simply haven't been improving in CPU capacity at the same rate as even a weak desktop processor

rlemon

2009? I wish. 2003 high end cpu :P

allquixotic

16:26

@rlemon I'm talking about the VPN appliances, for which you said cost isn't really a factor

I could probably build out a parts list, soup to nuts, for you, that would price it around $300

maybe even less....

a NUC could actually be just what you're looking for

intel.com/content/www/us/en/nuc/overview.html

this is a very recent and high-end NUC and I'm sure you can find older ones or lower-end ones that are much cheaper, but more than sufficient for your use case:

amazon.com/Intel-D54250WYK-DisplayPort-Graphics-i5-4250U/dp/…

note I said that is a high-end model. and it's $385 on Amazon. the price only gets cheaper from there

rlemon

and what would I do with this? just load the openVPN software the same as if I were dealing with a physical router?

allquixotic

@rlemon well, once you buy it and assemble it, you would install something like Debian Stable on it by connecting up a USB CD/DVD drive with the installation CD on it, then you'd install OpenVPN on it and configure it as a client

then you can perform the configuration, which is little more than editing /etc/openvpn/openvpn.conf appropriately for your environment

here's a cheaper NUC, and I'm confident it would be more than enough as a VPN appliance; it's a cut-down third-generation Core i3:

amazon.com/Intel-Next-Computing-Black-BOXDCCP847DYE/dp/…

that's $151; I think you also need to buy RAM and a HDD or SSD, but that won't be very expensive

add $24.93 for the RAM stick (you should be able to get away with one): amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-10600-204-Pin-Notebook-CT25664BF1339/dp/…

amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-10600-204-Pin-Notebook-CT25664BF1339/dp/…

here's a $42 mSATA 32GB SSD, which should be more than enough capacity:

amazon.com/Premier-SP310-mSATA-Solid-ASP310S3-32GM-C/dp/…

rlemon

well i'm going to pick up a vpn router now to demo it tonight

Jimmy Hoffa

Now that would make for a killer router. If only you could get fixed function hardware decoding of NetFlix and Hulu through that now...

allquixotic

@rlemon "a vpn router"? so you're not planning to build a NUC? oh, wow, you need to demo this today? jesus... in that case... good luck finding anything

rlemon

16:37

I am concerned about speed, sure, but considering our current solution is limited to the serial speeds, baud of 19200... I see ~1kb/s

@allquixotic I don't mind demoing a few things

this isn't personal, it is for a company

R&D funds and all

brb

allquixotic

your total cost for a NUC box is $218 plus shipping if you buy those three parts I oneboxed above

that's less than some commercial-grade routers

rlemon

and if we can get away with something else that fits our needs for less....

allquixotic

a lot less, in fact

rlemon

buying a handful of things to test is nothing when we will turn around and pump out 500+ of these for next year :P

allquixotic

@rlemon well, as @OliverSalzburg said, it's not so much about speed, but the sheer ability of the CPU to function properly with any sort of crypto

on a really cut-down MIPS router, you might be able to pick one up in the $100 - $150 range (NetGear N900), install DD-WRT, then OpenVPN, but the CPU would probably choke on the crypto and not even work

if it takes too long to process, it'll time out, and you won't have any connectivity

@JimmyHoffa yeah actually, come to think of it, the NUC I just priced out looks absolutely delicious as a potential router for home use for me... all I need is a little wifi card and I'm game

I need a router potentially because I want to unroot and return to stock on my phone, so I can download OTAs, but the only way to tether to my phone without root is through Klink, and Klink is very unstable (read: CPU can't keep up) on my MIPS Netgear N900

@JimmyHoffa I think you were right about the whole low-end processor thing -- especially with recent Intel generations -- even with a Pentium or Celeron grade Ivy Bridge or later proc, the performance is absolutely astronomical when compared with anything either older or more cut-down than a desktop

meaning that a Celeron 847 >>>>>>>>>> any MIPS junk Netgear throws at you

Boris_yo

16:44

@rlemon Sure I get that, I just wanted to know if that user mentioned any crazy stuff recently...

Psycogeek

<--hits Undo button and is erased again from chat room. Have a good day everyone.

allquixotic

@Psycogeek bye

Boris_yo

@allquixotic mSATA is not safely mobile. It's NAND is exposed and is susceptible to static damage.

allquixotic

@Boris_yo uh? mSATA are in devices like new tablets (Surface Pro)...

stick it in an enclosure and it should be fine (TM)

@rlemon the thing is, if you're selling the product to your end customer for thousands of dollars (or better yet, if you get to bill them for service, which is undoubtedly very expensive), the difference in expense to your company between a $100 NetGear router that barely chokes along, if it works at all, and a $218 NUC that just bloody works, could actually end up favoring the NUC if there are reliability problems with the cut-down MIPS junk

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Everytime I take it out to stick it into enclosure? Are there enclosures for such anyway?

Oliver Salzburg

16:52

So I'm configuring email notifications in this RAID controller and sending email fails with "error sending message" and no further details...

How I hate such BS :P

As if there weren't a thousand things to go wrong with that

allquixotic

@OliverSalzburg TRWTF is a RAID controller that does email

what next? your RAM has a CPU on it?

Oliver Salzburg

@allquixotic Well, the agent installed on the host probably sends the mails

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Yeah I'm telling you, I couldn't be happier with my $60 Haswell, PlanetSide 2 was so far the only thing that even stuttered and I've thrown a ton of modern stuff at it now that I've had it for a while..

@allquixotic Turing complete RAM! O_O

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa heh, doesn't surprise me that PS2 stuttered; it's really a game for core gamers

Jimmy Hoffa

Aye, and even then it hardly did. Just bouncing between 40-50 at still pretty good quality, everything else I've touched has run max graphics

allquixotic

16:58

@JimmyHoffa is your CPU higher-end than a Celeron, or lower?

let me put it this way -- how much better is it than this? ark.intel.com/products/56056

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Dunno, it's a Pentium

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa for what it's worth, PS2 is pretty consistently solid FPS for me, rarely goes under 60, :) there are just a few worst case scenarios in the game where things happen that jack down the frame rate for absolutely everyone, even if you ran it on a supercomputer in the TOP 100

Jimmy Hoffa

G3220 I think it was...

allquixotic

that CPU is actually a bit better than that Celeron I'm eyeing.

I'm seriously considering building a router based on a Celeron 847.

ok by "a bit" I mean "a lot"

yeah that G3220 absolutely whomps the 847. but on the other hand, the 847, being Sandy Bridge microarchitecture @ 1.1 GHz, absolutely whomps anything you would have in a MIPS router at like 500 MHz

what I'm considering: SSD, WiFi, RAM, and NUC

that should make one hell of a router, don't you think? :)

just have to drop Debian Stable minimal install on it and Klink and a boot script and some firewall rules and done

oh and wifi config obviously

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Wait 50 minutes to see how much the SSD here will cost today; it's not necessarily sized but you'll end up with a thicket of network storage space out of your router newegg.com/special/shellshocker.aspx

That Brazilian Guy

17:09

Is there any difference between buying an Ouya 16GB and buying an Ouya 8GB + a 8GB SD card?

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic or go smaller for easier maintenance newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233565 that NUC probably has USB 3 so that would still be performant for the router as well as making router maintenance easy when you just unplug the stick, pop it on your desktop and make the changes you need

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa I actually kinda want USB 3 for future proofing purposes

Jimmy Hoffa

$35 for 64gb USB3 stick or $19 for 32gb one on newegg's sales right now..

if it's just for the OS the 32gb is plenty for your router

allquixotic

don't really want the main system volume hanging out of the side of the unit where it can get knocked out, and i'll be using a USB port anyway

swapped out my NUC for one with USB 3 here... costlier

tempted to go all-out with this now and get a higher-end NUC that i can use as a computer, but i already have my Surface Pro for that, i literally JUST need a networking box

allquixotic

17:46

@rlemon Now whenever I eat popcorn I will think of you

there might be a DM510 drying it

Ash

hi there

!!urban hola

ChatBot John Cavil

@Ash hola Similar to hey! or hi! - Popular and Informal greeting used among young people in spanish language and travelled people as a trendy greeting. Used either with friends or unkown people.

Ash

!!ittts

ChatBot John Cavil

allquixotic

!!define theta

ChatBot John Cavil

17:53

@allquixotic theta the name for the eighth letter οf the Modern Greek alphabet, ninth in Old Greek.

Darth Android

@Ash Oh god, I misread that command so many times before I figured out what you had actually typed.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ChatBotJohnCavil Since old times the greeks have forgotten one of their letters? We really are getting dumber aren't we...

Somebody probably just figured google could find it for them so they didn't need to remember it, and now it's just gone forever...

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa soon we'll only have a one-letter alphabet

ff! fffff? ff ffff.

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic 3 letters, the only ones we need!

@allquixotic Cat? Cat cat. cat! CAaAt! Cat.

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allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa journeymangeek would object

Darth Android

17:58

@allquixotic I'm pretty sure @JourneymanGeek would agree that we only need 3 letters.

allquixotic

@DarthAndroid but different ones

Darth Android

Yes.

Anonymous

@Bob all hail PCRE AND perlvars!

rlemon

@allquixotic haha well probably not likely.

Anonymous

cryptsy.com/markets/view/71

Anonymous

18:02

grow, go forth and conquer, my quarkcoins!

rlemon

I mean, we have a few thousand out there, but <1% of the corn grown is for human consumption

mostly ethanol and feed

allquixotic

@rlemon how about rice? rice is almost always dried before chefs cook it to prepare it

Jimmy Hoffa

@PatoSáinz All hail PCR*NO NO AHH NO GOD PCRE IS TERRIBLE*

Anonymous

@JimmyHoffa pcre is the one true regex to rule us all

Jimmy Hoffa

PCRE: Leading cause of developericide '93-'99

allquixotic

18:06

@JimmyHoffa PCRE is write-only :D

Anonymous

m{} match ftw

Jimmy Hoffa

@PatoSáinz One true regex to in the darkness smite them...

allquixotic

mount /dev/pcre /home/suicide wo

Anonymous

/dev/pcre?

allquixotic

PCREFS :D

rlemon

18:07

@allquixotic yup

anything that can flow past our moisture sensors are fair game

allquixotic

echo myregex > /home/suicide/regex; echo test > /home/suicide/test; cat /home/suicide/match

Anonymous

got an unexciting part-time job at data entry

rlemon

so like, paper we can't do. rice, cereal, paint pellets, corn, grain, pet food, etc.

all fine

Anonymous

but it's money, nonetheless

allquixotic

@rlemon interesting

Anonymous

18:08

meanwhile i'll enjoy speculating my bitcoins

rlemon

if you would like to hear more about the exciting agri industry I would be more than happy to talk about it

Anonymous

@rlemon tell us about the exciting weather!

allquixotic

@rlemon I love hearing about other peoples' work. unfortunately, I work in The Public Sector, and my sharing details about my job is rather restricted.

rlemon

except everyone can appreciate the wonder that is a columbine

allquixotic

(otherwise I would reciprocate)

rlemon

18:09

columbines are magic as far as i'm concerned.

Anonymous

@allquixotic fed

Jimmy Hoffa

@rlemon Where do you live?

rlemon

lets take a stalk of corn, shuck it, and shake off the kernels without damaging them ... all in the fraction of a second

@JimmyHoffa see profile

allquixotic

@rlemon more amazing to me is the machines that seem to perfectly handle Mandarine Oranges

Anonymous

@rlemon is there any software development in that industry?

allquixotic

18:10

sections of orange absolutely surrounded by pulp

Jimmy Hoffa

@rlemon Hah did you mean combines ? Because columbines are great and all but a totally different thing lol

rlemon

@PatoSáinz o_O

allquixotic

they go into a machine and come out perfect and pulp-free

!!tell 12576066 yes

ChatBot John Cavil

Anonymous

@rlemon or at least, automatisation

rlemon

18:11

@JimmyHoffa another auto correct mistake

Anonymous

with an s

allquixotic

!!tell 12576079 yes

ChatBot John Cavil

Anonymous

cuz' we talk English properly

Jimmy Hoffa

columbine <> combine

rlemon

18:12

okay when I see squiggly red underlines I just pick the first suggestion and hope Google has my back.

allquixotic

@rlemon Google might, most of the time, but Apple certainly doesn't!

unless by "back" you meant "the thing you sit on"

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic a lot of these types of machines use physics heat trickery, they steam the shit out of things with super hot steam for a perfectly measured period that causes expansion of only certain parts of things (such as the outside) which makes that part practically fall off due to how quickly it expanded in contrast with the part it's connected to

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa huh!

Anonymous

wait what

Anonymous

cookie clicker has been replaced by "clicking bad"

allquixotic

18:15

well, that's certainly more believable than the story of how people learned to eat cheese

Anonymous

"cook meth and sell it"

allquixotic

"I let a bunch of milk go bad, so bad in fact that it turned into a mold, and then I ate it and I lived to tell the story"

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic That's really not unbelievable if you think back to when it probably happened, my money says those people were starved and just found some molded milk and figured "Well if I don't eat I die, and this was food, maybe it's still food..."

rlemon

the first potato..... "this lumpy dirty root looks delicious!"

Jimmy Hoffa

Paupers of ages ago likely ate a couple times a week

allquixotic

18:18

@rlemon this may be out of your budget range, but have you considered the possibility of a cellular 2G/3G chipset in your VPN router (this would go nicely with a NUC like I suggested)? you would need a small data plan that could accommodate each one, and provided that there's any sort of cellular service in the area (there is, right?...) it'd work

or you could make that an optional feature: "if you have cellular service but you don't have any internet connectivity, we can still diagnose your system for you!"

@JimmyHoffa hmm, good point

I wonder at what point it went from being an emergency ration to be eaten as a last resort, to something common and popular

rlemon

I have looked into cellular solutions, however these were just cellular modems to hook into the existing system for clients without internet access...... it was a mess trying to get all of the account crap worked out between their service provider and the cellular network dealio provider. It ended up working, but it was just a lot more tedious work than we would like

we are a company of like 8 people :P

anything that is extra work for us is undesirable.

allquixotic

@rlemon why was it so complicated? because the cellular modems had to work with QNX?

rlemon

moxa.com/product/OnCell_G2111.htm

it may have just been this modem. idk.

I can't imagine the days when these guys did this all via dialup :/

allquixotic

@rlemon that's massive overkill

these days you just pop a card into an x86 box, then the rest of the deal is between you and the carrier to get it activated

no need for some huge box with an external antenna o_O

and hey if you were buying a NUC anyway you might as well include the modem if the customer is like "sorry, no internet here"

you should run the NUC (+ optional cellular data card if the customer says they need it) idea past your networking guy when he's back in the country

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Probably after someone ate it enough times and realized "well fuck, I suck at finding food, but this stuff works so maybe I can convince rich people to give me the milk that's gone bad for them" or "I found where the rich people pour all their bad milk out!"

allquixotic

18:28

@JimmyHoffa lol

Jimmy Hoffa

and then they acquired a taste for it because hell, cheese is delicious.

though that cheese was probably godawful...

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa then someone who had previously discovered various herbs and spices tried putting them on regular cheese

making it considerably more palatable

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic science.howstuffworks.com/zoology/mammals/…

there's a lot more detailed accounts than that one that I've read that talk about the things those macaques have been found to do to their food that the studies have shown they didn't do, and then a few of them did things on accident and then learned and these behaviours caught on among groups etc

cool stuff

Oh that article actually has good details of the story, n/m.

Ash

18:45

@DarthAndroid :) ittts stands for Iam Too Tired of This S**t - not what you thought ;) btw , i wanted to show the cool features of the bot to a friend who was not logged in.

Jimmy Hoffa

!! learn burninate lh3.ggpht.com/-yChsJGf0YgI/TbGRLo5ejKI/AAAAAAAABKU/KCHg2hHi34M/…

rlemon

damn, best speeds I've seen in a long time

Darth Android

@rlemon Is that a dedicated line?

Hennes

19:06

@allquixotic Uhm, that is not a WTF. That is almost normal. Just connect the RAIDs NIC port to the Ethernet and configure it properly.

rlemon

@DarthAndroid limited by serial communication speeds.

and local isp speeds

Boris_yo

What is funny here?

Hennes

Some people just like joking about sex.

Darth Android

If you haven't seen it yet, this airline's christmas marketing campaign is awesome: youtube.com/watch?v=zIEIvi2MuEk

rlemon

19:29

@DarthAndroid that is awesome

Boris_yo

How does Wamba know my first name, last name and patronymic?

This chick on the left could have typed my credentials because she knew them? o.o

Darth Android

@Boris_yo Do you know the person that sent you the message?

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid No. I don't.

Darth Android

If you don't know the person that sent it, I wouldn't touch that with a 20ft pole

Boris_yo

@DarthAndroid But my credentials were all in Russian.

They are not available that simply online.

Hmmm website looks iffy: http://wamba.com/en/
Stock images of success stories and non-clickable images of known american brands.

Darth Android

19:39

Seems to be a legitimate company, but I would still avoid it unless you know the person inviting you.

rlemon

@Boris_yo they know your email address, they know you.

or at least, enough to search the web to find out almost anything

Boris_yo

19:54

lol

Here's what I did. Connected to public VPN, signed up with throw-away email and registered profile with name Sergio. Next as I was logged in Wamba, I copied and pasted invitation link from that girl into URL and look what have we got.

So first she referred to my real name and now it is Sergio?
- . - Find&replace script at its best.

Busted you Wamba!

And the link in chat message leads to where? To invite other people so snowball effect can keep rolling.

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