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Psycogeek

02:13

@Boris_yo unless it is copper colored steel

Bob

@jou is that your pi?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: no, mine's ziptied to a USB hub ;p

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek thats hilarious. needs a power supply stull and a usb host (internal) hard drive

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: you can power a pi off a properly jerryrigged PSU

Bob

@jou i wonder if your could hack it to stimulate acpi

And safely power off on power button press

Journeyman Geek

02:18

@Bob: probably use the gpio pins and a custom shutdown script and a relay

Psycogeek

05:31

break the spookey silence news : Boeing airliner crashes in Russian city of Kazan, 50 killed uk.reuters.com/article/2013/11/18/…

A Boeing 737 airliner crashed on Sunday in the Russian city of Kazan, killing all 50 people on board and spotlighting the poor safety record of regional airlines that ply internal routes across the world's largest nation.

The son of the president of the oil-rich province of Tatarstan and the regional head of the FSB intelligence service were named among those killed when the plane exploded in a ball of fire upon hitting the runway.
(no conspiracy here, planes always burst into a ball of fire in the movies)

Boris_yo

07:09

@Psycogeek No conspiracy eh?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo well it might be in america :-) where a 747 wouldnt leave the ground unless it had 200+ people on it.

(not sure about a 737 though)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Shims are everywhere shims? American, Russian all made in China? stores.ebay.com/Computer-Repair-GoldPart-Store/…

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I dont know, copper is still used for pipes here rarely, so its not like electronics. But the copper you want doesnt get picked up by a magnet :-)

I have no idea how they make fake copper, but its out there, because it has showed up in some clone products.

Although getting fake "gold" via those fake gold small ingots would be much more embarassing. especially for the fools putting ferrous materials in them, when they could have used lead, and might get away with more.

Boris_yo

07:28

@Psycogeek Wat They also fake copper? Dang, everything they can fake. Do they fake wate, air, fire too?

So real copper gets picked by magnet while fake doesn't?

Psycogeek

Yes they have fake air now, they can put nitrogen in your tires , instead of air now :-)

I told them to put helium in :-)

@Boris_yo real copper does not get picked up by a magnet

With nitrogen in the tires it would put a serious crimp into 007s lifestyle :-)

Boris_yo

99.6% feedback seller has... I am sure if he would sell fake, he wouldn't have such scores.

Psycogeek

oops, scratch that, thats IS a good score at ebay

a 737 holds as few as 85 passengers as many as 215, depending on the model conversions, etc.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek So you suggest me to get copper from fallen aircraft?

"Why did aircraft crash?"
"I wanted some copper..."

Psycogeek

Fake Fire ebay.com/itm/… And many others. they use a nice yellow silk, and hit it with a light and a blower, looks pretty good till you get close to it.

Boris_yo

07:40

@Psycogeek It's not fake because item location is US

Psycogeek

Fake water Uhh made in the US

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek This is vaporized water. You use vapor to get water again.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I wanted to go hiking one time, with Hydrogen baloons so i would be 1/2 weight. plus i needed power, so a fuel cell would turn the hydrogen into power, and give off water (which is nessisary to carry hiking) .

mabey they should think about that, when going into space and burning hydrogen with liquid oxygen, collect the leftovers for drinking water :-)

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek I disagree. Its EXACTLY what it says on the tin

Bob

what the water

Psycogeek

07:49

@JourneymanGeek ok ok, google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://daly-tribe.com/Humor/… there is some fake water

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek I read that copper pieces 2cmx2cmx0.1cm need to be filed before applied for cooling? But if there is AC5 that fills even micro gaps, why file copper?

Psycogeek

and of course fake copper from "china" ebay.com/gds/FAKE-999-COPPER-COINS-on-eBay-via-ALIBABA-website-/…

@Boris_yo depends how well it is machined. all these heatsinks we get are machined "enough" but different ones have different levels of perfection. copper could be clipped out with a machine, and have bad or thicker edges. you would just have to judge for yourself how good you want it.

Pre-testing anything would tell you how well it seats/lands/settles on what your doing. Any odd places where more goop is hanging out after a squish might indicate that it isnt as flat as desired. Because (as we already know) the goop is just supposed to fill the microscopic gaps, not the huge ones.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Should I sandpaper/scratch copper piece for more uneven surface for thermal paste to fill gaps better?

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: you're buying a few right?

legitreviews.com/…

lap it! ;p

Psycogeek

08:08

yup, sand it anyways to remove oxidations and coatings (put on to prevent oxidations) , polish it for fun :-) because polishing is unnessisary, and using wax is not nessisarily a good thermal conductor.

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek I don't have vice or something to hold copper piece on so it won't move while I lap it.

@Psycogeek If there's already coating to prevent oxidations, why whould it need be polished?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo because the coating proably was not put on for thermal speed. you could rub in your TIM into it instead.

Remember one of the tricks of application of tim, is to rub it in deep into the surfaces first, then remove it. Being metal oxides that does a last polishing and fill some of the porus surfaces.

I like to do that with a microfiber polishing rag, but i have done it with paper towel too, weren't that different.

Boris_yo

08:27

@Psycogeek I put on small pile of thermal paste and use credit card to rub it in and remove of what is left of thermal paste on surface level?

@Psycogeek I have not sandpaper but something looking similar but it is much more delicated grits on it. I think this paper was used for ceiling polishing?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo for the rub in, you use pressure (well i do) , you rub it in deep using your finger(s) for pressure, and a rag so you dont get finger goo on it. Human skin has oils and is acidic, so using just your body parts not so good.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek So credit card, rag + finger pressure?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo whatever works, i just think that the waterproof black paper is best, and 1000grit is about all that is nessisary to get it very flat .

@Boris_yo no credit cards , use a debit card, CC interest sucks , toss them out right now :-) I just rub it in like i was waxing a small something, put a dab of it on the surface or on the rag itself and rub it in.

The big pain in the butt is when your trying to flatten it (sanding), you cant do that just holding it up in your hands. It is better to have a very flat surface, and move the item around on that flat surface. Some people choose glass. I use an oak desk. when it comes to Power Tools, not many of the power tools are designed for fully flat sanding, they have padding underneath. Leaving the person doing all the work.

Boris_yo

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo naw, that might work for spreading, but it isnt going to deliver pressure for getting deep in the metals. Plus that wouldnt do any rubbing/polishing.

Boris_yo

08:38

@Psycogeek I use debit card for spreading but how do I get deep into metals?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo In that scenario they are probably getting the rub in, done with the pick-up method. Like putting wax on a car poorly (instead of rubbing the wax in) and when rubbing the wax back off the car, it is getting rubbed in then.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek They call this tinting for break-in?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo whatever they want to call it , I find it can apply to any of the TIMs applications, because your getting a surface coating in, which might not happen otherwise.

without the little tiny extra pushed into the porus parts of the metals, when this is all assembled and it is very tight, then what little tim is there leeches into the metals, and then it gets dry faster. By already having any microscopic porosity filled, there is less leeaching from your final spread.

Boris_yo

Putting it on stages:

1. Remove old thermal compound
2. Use sandpaper? Paper towel?
3. Blow air on chip and use alcohol to clean it out
4. Apply small pile of thermal paste and spread with debit card
5. Use rag to rub thermal paste using pressure
6. Wait 5 minutes until rubbed in compund settles in?
7. Apply small pile of thermal paste
8. Apply polished shim (should I use pressure here?)
9. Apply small pile of thermal paste on shim
10. Sandpaper heatsink, blow air on it and use alcohol to clean

Bob

the weather is scary

Psycogeek

08:51

sure but dont use the word Sand :-) during the words for the final processes. sanding is done over ----> there. and then cleaned off. dont want no junk from the sanding or grit off the paper getting next to the final product.

Bob

smh.com.au/nsw/…

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Ah so I should do sanding and cleaning before everything to streamline process?

@Bob That's why you stay at home more

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo yes. but like anything I often have to go back to re-working it. just keep the idea of the 2 seperate, cause you have to re-clean after each sanding, but you will know that easy enough because it will be all on your hands.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Is it safe for chip if I sand it? What about processor's die to sand?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo the chips seem to be perfect, the surface is perfectly flat. I have no idea beyond that, because i am not about to scratch it, so at most i will remove stuff off and around it, using paper towel and rags, and solvent and alcohol, and water and detergent sometimes.

The chip Lids (spreaders) that is different. things about them i dont understand why they have a texture, why they are not flat, and other stuff, that does not make much differance. But it does make me wonder what they were thinking with such textures.

Why does intel work things down to 22nanos :-) then slop a lid on it like it was made in china .

@Bob how close are you (in miles) to the coast/ocean in your domicile?

Boris_yo

09:22

@Psycogeek You are talking about heat spreader (IHS) that looks like copper? I don't have any of that on 3 chips so I will use paper towel like you. Not sure why rags are to be used if there is paper towel.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo yes, it dont look like copper :-) untill you sand it down.

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: paper towels have lint

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek That's why you use rag to remove lint?

Journeyman Geek

~~yup~~ thats why you use a rag to clean a heatsink

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Can I use Vodka to clean out after I am done?

Journeyman Geek

09:24

@Boris_yo: better not to

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Because it is 40%?

Journeyman Geek

vodka may be high proof, but there may be other things in it

its not about alcohol content

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek I have deodorants...

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: NO

NO NO NO

!!no

Psycogeek

everclear :-)

Boris_yo

09:26

@JourneymanGeek I don't have rubbing or isopropyl alcos...

Journeyman Geek

get some

@Psycogeek: everclear is marginally better, but I have the same concerns

Psycogeek

but that is one expencive solvent , when a bottle of 99% isopropyl is not to costly.

Journeyman Geek

also. never ever drink booze thats been used to clean a chip.

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Unfortunately I don't think I know of place for isopropyl alcohol...

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: I'd try a pharmasy

Psycogeek

09:29

Have a big gash on your flesh, then people with Medical alcohol come out of the woodwork to pour it into it :-)

Boris_yo

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo oh come now you know that stuff is mostly water at $40 a bottle :-)

Boris_yo

Not sure if this would work:

Psycogeek

and it stinks too, look it says right on it Toilet

Overflowh

@Psycogeek Sometimes quite more than 40$..

'morning :)

Psycogeek

09:32

@Overflowh and a good day to you.

I think @bob got swept up in a hurricane.

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: no

thats antiseptic

your chip does not have a cut

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek I read that everything that has 70% Isopropanol is considered rubbing alcohol...

I am not expecting pharmacy to have alcohol that is not anticeptic.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo heck they sell 70% at the grocery store around here. the 91% which is close enough , might be at the grocery store, but surely is at our "drugstores" which are variety stores with pharmacy and sundry items.

Overflowh

Ehm.. why @Boris_yo you need a so strong alchool?

Psycogeek

@Overflowh he has gone onto binge drinking since his Dell warrenty ran out :-)

Boris_yo

09:43

@Psycogeek :D

@JourneymanGeek All isopropyls 91% here are anticeptics: google.co.il/…

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo talk about conspiracy, its like the floride in the water .

Overflowh

@Psycogeek Oh.. @Boris_yo Here where I live one can buy alchool at 95% for "alimentary" use in the supermarket :D

Boris_yo

How about this one?

Optical glasses wipes

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo should clean ok, but what do you use to clean IT off? it has a detergant (surfacants) in it

Boris_yo

09:59

@Psycogeek Damp rug to clean off detergent and then microfiber cloth to dry it?

Shiki

anyone got a 27 inch 1440p display here?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo ok, couldn't be worse than methods I have had to use before when running out of the right stuff. But your asking about the right stuff :-) so nobody is going to recommend these "Might Make Do" in a pinch stuff.

Boris_yo

I have this towel put it is not from paper. It is synthetic... It absorbs with more resistance and I wonder if it is lint-free.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo test it. you tell us.

lint and dog hair and dust , dont bother me untill its that final assembly moment, they make vaccume cleaners and dust cans, and compressors for that.

Then, I want to keel the dog. When I find his hair in the cpu socket :-) oh wait that was mine. . . nevermind.

these walmart.com/ip/Microtex-Microfiber-Polishing-Cloth/16817493 have become my most favorited microfiber rags. for final polishing and final cleaning. not too adsorbant, but very fine grain, and seem to stay lint free.

Hiroto

10:20

Ew, do i see people spreading thermal grease on a heatsink?

stick a dot in the middle and just let gravity + pressure do the work when you stick a heatsink on, you dont get it leakign out the sides :p

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Final polishing? You do 2-pass polishing?

Psycogeek

@Hiroto come now this isnt porno :-) read the text, they are just "tinting" there.

Hiroto

ehehe

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Final, like for cleaning monitors, and the last of any polishing. not specific to computers.

Bob

@hiroto some guys tested a bunch, a cross was best

@psycogeek about 20km, but hornsby might be a bit further

@boris try a hardware shop

Boris_yo

10:35

@Hiroto You forgot the rubbing part.

Psycogeek

10:46

@Bob on the map hornsby is further "inland" than sydney. News says you have been getting wild thunderstorms for 2 days now? Miles away twitter.com/abcnews/status/401555543593988097/photo/1 Queensland hail

Boris_yo

What is our audiophile's opinion about this one? @JourneymanGeek

Overflowh

11:00

Hey guys, stupid question time: my laptop has a 2.5" Toshiba HDD.. can I replace it with any other 2.5" HDD? This is the HDD of my laptop: storage.toshiba.eu/export/sites/toshiba-sdd/lib/library/…

Journeyman Geek

@Overflowh: IF its sata, and the same thickjness or thinner

@Boris_yo: of what?

Overflowh

@JourneymanGeek Mmmh.. And how can I know if it's so? The hard disk I would buy is this: subito.it/informatica/…

Journeyman Geek

@Overflowh: how old is the laptop?

if its within the last 5-7 years and isn't a subnotebook or some other very thin one, thats a good bet

Overflowh

@JourneymanGeek I don't know.. I bougth about 2 years and half ago.. There isn't a product date on the label..

Journeyman Geek

hmm

good enough, definately sata

what's the model of your laptop?

Overflowh

11:06

@JourneymanGeek It's an HP Compaq Presario CQ62-220SL

Journeyman Geek

yeah, that drive should fit

Bob

@Psycogeek only two? sure feels like it's longer

well, jsut rain now

started with a massive thunderstorm

Journeyman Geek

heh, I'm having the worst luck with networking this week

Bob

still pretty windy

Overflowh

@JourneymanGeek Yeah! It's an HDD from 2007, but for 20€ I think it's a good compromise..

Journeyman Geek

11:08

one of our laptops dosen't see our router

@Overflowh: its very likely to work

Bob

@Overflowh open it up, and grab a ruler

Overflowh

@Bob A ruler? o.o

Bob

@Overflowh be very careful about second hand HDDs

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: you can usually eyeball if its a 9mm drive or a 7mm drive

Overflowh

@JourneymanGeek I hope :)

Bob

11:09

they don't have the best life expectencies

@JourneymanGeek not if you're unfamiliar :P

Overflowh

@Bob Right..

Bob

@Overflowh yea, to measure

Overflowh

@Bob But mine it's completely gone..

Journeyman Geek

new-old stock is usually fine

Overflowh

@Bob The measures should be on the datasheet

Bob

11:11

@Overflowh I mean to measure the old drive

Overflowh

@JourneymanGeek What is "new-old stock"?

Journeyman Geek

@Overflowh: unused, old model

@Bob: reading the label and googling it makes more sense

Overflowh

@Bob Don't you trust the official datasheet? :P storage.toshiba.eu/export/sites/toshiba-sdd/lib/library/…

@JourneymanGeek Oh.. and there are places that sells those kind of things?

Journeyman Geek

@Overflowh: I know this guy who knows this guy who knows this guy....

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Oops: amazon.com/Sennheiser-Digital-Wireless-Headphone-Surround/dp/…

Journeyman Geek

11:16

@Boris_yo: I think I have a friend who has that

he liked it

Overflowh

@JourneymanGeek O.o

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Review mentions echo if listened at the same time same channel while TV's speakers are on. This due to delay which might be because of Wi-Fi nature.

Journeyman Geek

11:27

That seems... wierd

Bob

11:39

source

I'm glad I don't take the ferry...

better than what the Phillipines have been hit by, thankfully... poor guys

Journeyman Geek

o0

Boris_yo

11:58

@Bob Someone on ferry took photo of this? Looks scary...

Psycogeek

@Bob Me too. Ferrys , put 200+ tons of metal (cars and trucks) on a barge with an engine and half a roof, and hope to god no water comes in.

Bob

@Boris_yo Apparently a SMH photographer.

@Psycogeek Nah, these are smaller public transport ferries.

The large car ones... those are a bit more stable at least.

Journeyman Geek

I thought they were mainly for tourists

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Hm. Maybe. Part of some people's daily commute, though.

transport.nsw.gov.au/content/sydney-ferries

Psycogeek

@Bob you mean more like these things ? SanFrancisco Commuter ferry service for across the bay. Sort of a water based buss services.

oops these mojosail.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/… Helps to put the link in

Bob

12:12

@Psycogeek Yea, something like that.

They normally cross the harbour - presumably a bit shorter than getting a bus/train through the nearest bridge.

Boris_yo

12:27

Again accepted change in services from misleading ISP call I am client of. I am thinking about complaining an quiting. WTF are they doing there.

Braiam

@Boris_yo do like mothers tell their daughters... say NO

... or like lawyers and record all your calls

Bob

@Braiam Careful there.

Some countrieshave laws against recording what should be a private conversation.

Here in NSW I would have to inform the other party that it's being recorded.

The recording becomes inadmissable as evidence, at best, if you don't inform them. You could even be prosecuted for it.

Braiam

@Bob of course you will have to follow the law, but at least you are protected ;)

Bob

@Braiam If the law states that you can't make the recording, then your recording is useless at best.

And could get you prosecuted, which is worse than nothing.

Make sure you check your local laws before recording anything!

Boris_yo

@Bob Yes, sueing someone and getting sued too.

This okay for cleaning chip? Does antiseptic mention negates it as appropriate for cleaning chip?

Bob

12:39

...

generally, the problem is that it's only 70%

that could leave some more residue or take longer to dry

I would normally recommend at least 90%

a lot of hardware stores carry that

and hobby shops

"antiseptic" doesn't really mean anything in this context - concentrated alcohol is an antiseptic

Boris_yo

@Bob Except here where people are clueless and approve everything that has alcohol in it.

Bob

it's unlikely that concentrated alcohols would be mixed with other antiseptics

@Boris_yo if it doesn't have a % listed don't use it

Boris_yo

@Bob Concentrated alcohol = isopropyl?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo yes see it says so right on the pack "for external use only" you need one for internal use :-)

Braiam

@Bob can be worse... mixed with water D:

Bob

12:41

70% is acceptable for some things (I'd use it to clean keyboards, etc., in a pinch)

but I'd never use <90% on the chips themselves if I could help it

recently bought a nice 250mL bottle though, so I have plenty

my 125mL bottle lasted well over a year

@Braiam water is not too bad

Braiam

@Boris_yo the important question here is "what is the other 30%" ;)

Bob

it's other things that could leave residue that are worse

@Boris_yo no

!!define concentrated

isopropanol is a specific type of alcohol

isopropyl alcohol is another name

isopropyl is an alkyne and not an alcohol

@allquixotic Cavil died again :(

Braiam

@ChatBotJohnCavil yo

he is ignoring us... bastard :(

Bob

!!info

I'll be back in ~1 hour

Boris_yo

@Bob I can use 70% isopropyl and clean it with damp microfiber cloth?

Bob

12:44

if he's still dead, I'll go restart him then

@Boris_yo ...are you even reading what I'm saying?

I've said all I will on this matter. everythign else would be rephrasing what I've already said

which is very annoying

Psycogeek

We can be assured of one thing, Cavil is miles away from becomming Self-aware :-)

Psycogeek

12:56

You would think that they would sue the house inspector, when they discovered that the newly purchaced house had a "hole to hell" in the basement. Grevious oversite i would say. They could probably find a lawyer right there in the house too.

Braiam

O_O

Boris_yo

Distinguishing fake copper from real:

"Do what Galileo did when trying to judge real gold from fake gold. Measure for the mass and the volume of the "supposedly real" copper and then use those two values and find the density. Then go look up the actual density of copper and if the density you found is close to exactly the same density of that of real copper, then what you have is indeed copper."

Braiam

13:23

@Boris_yo he tested real gold...

Boris_yo

@Braiam Same applies to copper.

Dang, only 1 liter of 99.9% minimum order in my country in one of labs.

That Brazilian Guy

Any idea on how to tell a HP cp3525n printer to stop complaining about magenta toners and USE THE DAMN BLACK TONER TO PRINT BLACK TEXT?

Google is no help I can only find supply sellers =/

Boris_yo

@ThatBrazilianGuy I don't know about yours but this is not possible on Brother MFC machine.

DanteTheEgregore

13:39

Meta's telling me nothing. Any chance someone can explain why this was put on hold?: superuser.com/questions/677293/…

Meta post: meta.superuser.com/questions/7385/…

That Brazilian Guy

REALLY HP? REALLY? I WANT TO PRINT BLACK TEXT AND I CAN'T BECAUSE MY MAGENTA TONER IS EMPTY?

Braiam

@ThatBrazilianGuy just remove the color cartdrige...

That Brazilian Guy

@Braiam I did. Then it complains the magenta slot is empty.

Psycogeek

@DanteTheEgregore the metas should have responded immeditly to your query, they generally are right under the bridge , and pop up 3 minutes after your last edit :-)

Braiam

@DanteTheEgregore meta-Q and questions on the main site are only answered if someone knows the answer.

through truth be told, I don't know why it was closed as OT instead dupe...

DanteTheEgregore

13:46

@Braiam It just seems to be poor moderation. That being said, I've tried everything in the related questions already, I can understand some calling it a dupe, but I'd argue it's not.

Braiam

did this not solve your question? superuser.com/a/598250/235569

but the other question ask about promotions not ads... so maybe not.... but that answer work for what you like

but again SU ways are alien to me...

DanteTheEgregore

I've tried several different URLs in the hosts file. The ad URLs never seem to be constant across the different answers I've read on various sites.

Braiam

is not "url"'s but domain names....

only "ad.badboy.com"

DanteTheEgregore

Well, yeah.

Braiam

also, most likely you will have to clear the dns cache...

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