Root Access

Einsteins Grandson

14:00

so files can be downloaded but not uploaded on SD card

i figured it out like 1 month ago

and was able to do some "hack" to do it

but i forgot the "hack"

i think i saw the solution on Youtube

i thinkg vista and xp do not have this problem

i have mcafee as antivirus , antispam, firewall installed

funny thing is

that i also uploaded one file on sd card like 1 hour ago

i want to upload the whole album

but i was able to upload only 1 song

when i start copying

it says something like ....

its not possible

i use total commander

maybe it says its not possible

but it does the copying anyway

ìt says

PLEASE REMOVE THE WRITE PROTECTION

Hennes

@EinsteinsGrandson No, you just need some of them since a few are backward compatible. (But no all of them). So they do tend to clustter up your system and they do use a lot of CPU time and disk access after you installed them. The latter can make an old system slow for hours (once again, after installing them and after rebooting).

Einsteins Grandson

pardon me, @Hennes

it was supposed to be to somebody else not me ,right?

Hennes

Yes, I used the reply link.

Einsteins Grandson

now i see

it can be anything

Hennes

Damn confusing similar names, but for once I got it right.

Einsteins Grandson

14:11

its not my computer

its the idiots who dont know how to use devices

and then ask me to fix it for them only for few months

because it wont work again

since they will repeat the same mistakes again

and then they are angry that i dont want to fix it again..

Hennes

One easy solution: Deny admin rights

Einsteins Grandson

;o)

i have been denying for 6-7 months now

they keep asking me to fix it

;o)

its not that little switch

its something else

on the big SD card adapter

that i insert into slot on laptop

its some crazy thing

since that little switch is where it is supposed to be

and i was able to upload 1 song on sd card

Bob

@Hennes Eh.

Specifically, you have certain CLR versions.

There was a great diagram on MSDN that I can't find now.

what the hell

I was searching for it in the chat history (because I've posted it here before), and it was in a similar conversation with the same person

May 26 at 15:31, by Einsteins Grandson

I mean, I can't uninstall all of them but one ... .uninstlaling NET Framework 2.0, 3.0 , 3.5 and keeping only 4.0 ?

We really do just loop conversation topics here.

Hennes

IIRC keep .net 1. 3.5 and 4.5

Or dump ..net 1 and tell people to update their programs.

Einsteins Grandson

yeah i know Bob

Hennes

14:21

Or use perl and regexs. That will solve all your problems.

Einsteins Grandson

i dont remember the solution though

Bob

@EinsteinsGrandson Click the link in that message (the datestamp) and you can reread the conversation.

@Hennes Yep.

Einsteins Grandson

so what is the result?

that i can just have the last .net framework?

Bob

They've removed that diagram from the site since then :(

Einsteins Grandson

and dont need others?

Bob

14:22

@allquixotic ^ (you were remarking on it actually being helpful :P)

Einsteins Grandson

the problem is its somehow all conected

Bob

@EinsteinsGrandson try actually reading.

Einsteins Grandson

the laptop was having problems with updating .Net framework

Bob

@Hennes ya

Einsteins Grandson

then the solution was to uninstall all the frameworks

and install the last one

and now

Bob

14:23

I try to target 2.0-3.5 where possible, but that's because it's the one that comes with win7

Gowtham

@EinsteinsGrandson If it says make sure write protection is on, make sure the small tab at the side is at off

Bob

no qualms about jumping to 4.0-4.5 when I need new stuff though

Einsteins Grandson

@Gowtham i know

so again

Bob

@EinsteinsGrandson again, read the bloody messages

we've answered this many times over

Einsteins Grandson

i wont

Hennes

14:24

It would be nice if windows used a nice packaged program system, similar to registered DLL with start, settings, control panel, add and remove software

Bob

I'm honestly sick of answering the same question over and over.

Einsteins Grandson

i will not invest single second to solve this problem anymore

Journeyman Geek

you won't read the messages?

then why ask?

Hennes

Where you increase a counter when in use, decrease it on uninstall and delete if the counter is 0

Einsteins Grandson

i will be reading for 20 hours

will try to fix it for 20 hours

Bob

14:26

@Hennes Well, MSIs do some of it.

Doesn't work too well for dependencies, though.

Hennes

Not sure why not: If you need a dependency then just mark that).

Bob

Then again, the default action with apt-get is to remove only the specified package - you need a different option (autoremove) to remove the dependencies too.

@Hennes I mean it doesn't at the moment.

Hennes

I know it works on the BSDs (port tree), on OS X (homebrew ports), on partage (linux), on DLL (windows), ....

Bob

Also, working with dependencies assumes a centralised package repository.

Which really doesn't work when you have so many disparate sources.

Hennes

Yup. Which works for windows when they used DLL's

Einsteins Grandson

14:27

myabe there is one update that is missing

Bob

@Hennes Hm? Do they actually have a reference count?

I didn't know that.

Einsteins Grandson

ok

so maybe there are some updates

missing

This is the whole story again

the downloading and installing of updates was set up for 3:00 AM

the owner of the laptop

was angry that the laptop was waking him up every night

so she took the battery off

then the updates were not installed for some months

then there were problems with updating .NET

so all the .NET frameworks 1.0 2.0 3.0 4.0 were uninstalled

Hennes

@Bob In XP the dlls had a reference count. Uninstalling a program used to decrease this and you got a popup with "XXXX.dll is no longer in use by any program. Do you want to delete XXXX.dll? This might brake other programs". (Or close to that).

Which rather shows that not all programs properly registered themselves.

Bob

@Hennes That was only specific installers, though, IIRC.

Not sure if it was MSI or something else.

Hennes

It has been a while since I saw those messages.

Bob

14:35

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Q: Manually increment or decrement file reference counter (refcount) used by MSI installers?

My understanding is that MSI installers use a file reference count to keep track of how many 'installers' installed a shared file (say a dll). [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE]\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Current Version\SharedDLLs This way, say 3 products all install the same DLL, the refcount is at 3. When ...

@Hennes ^

> The method you describe ("SharedDLLs" Registry key) has been deprecated and replaced by side-by-side assemblies, Microsoft's solution to "DLL hell".

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa741216%28v=vs.85%29.aspx

> To do correct code caching, the existing shared DLL reference counting scheme will not suffice because reference counts are easily inflated. Specifically, any application that is reinstalled increases the reference count on a shared DLL even though that DLL already has a reference count belonging to the particular application.

> This is already broken for current reference counting, but it will especially fail for Internet Component Download, in which OCXs are used by multiple pages quite regularly and there is no way of knowing which OCXs need reference counts.

though that was even before SxS

that was ActiveX's way of bypassing the system-wide counters

Hennes

Ah

Einsteins Grandson

what is the problem with installing updates anyway?

why do they download but dont install?

what is that one thing that prevents them to be installed?

Bob

@EinsteinsGrandson any given update can have a multitude of possible reasons. read the update/error logs. and no, I don't know where they are, but a quick google search will suffice.

Einsteins Grandson

ok thanks

Hennes

They are in %windir%/windowsupdate.log

Einsteins Grandson

14:43

great

i will look at it

Hennes

My default reaction to windows updates failing is:
1) Look in evenviewer and the windowsupdate log>
2) Reboot
3) Net stop wuauserv, delete the softwaredistribution folder. Net start wuauserv. RUn updates

Einsteins Grandson

i didnt understand step 3

Net stop wuauserv?

Hennes

from an elevated command prompt: stop the windows update service

Then you can go to C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution and delete all of it.

Optionally you can now also clean the windowsupdate.log file (which is often quite large)

Then restart the service

Einsteins Grandson

softwaredistribution is direcotry?

or a file?

Hennes

Yes

Einsteins Grandson

14:47

ok

Bob

@Hennes Ahem. (a or b? yes) :P

Hennes

it is a directory with a lot of used (and redownloadable) windows update files

Einsteins Grandson

great

Hennes

Tea or coffee?
Yes please!

Einsteins Grandson

access is denied!

system error 5

Hennes

14:48

> Is it a directory?
Start typing yes
> or a file
Press enter

^ @Bob

Einsteins Grandson

i am admin

Bob

@Hennes Ya, I got what happened. That was a joking response :P

Hennes

You are admin which means: 1) you are mortal user 2) with rights to elevate

Einsteins Grandson

so i have no clue why it does not let me stop the servie of updating

Bob

> from an elevated command prompt

> elevated

Hennes

14:49

Did you start a command prompt with elevated rights?

Einsteins Grandson

thats what

Hennes

Ah, damn.

Bob

there's ya keyword

Einsteins Grandson

the new COMMAND PROMPD?

that blue Windows Shell?

or what?

Oliver Salzburg

Einsteins Grandson

14:51

its administrator command prompt

or how can i open it?

Hennes

Bob

@EinsteinsGrandson evidently not, if it's giving you access is denied errors

2 mins ago, by Hennes

You are admin which means: 1) you are mortal user 2) with rights to elevate

Hennes

Without activated admin stuff you get error 5

However elevate the right. E.g. RUN AS ADMIN

Bob

you can elevate to admin, but unless you explicitly do so everything will run with restricted privileges

Hennes

Then you get this:

Bob

14:52

this is called security

Hennes

C:\Windows\system32>net stop wuauserv
The Windows Update service is stopping.
The Windows Update service was stopped successfully.

Einsteins Grandson

ok

Hennes

If you wthink it is to much work go start it that way, then read on of the many answers on Super User with "How to always start an admin cmd" :)

Einsteins Grandson

ok

Hennes

Or in unix speech. Admin is not root, but a user with sudo rights

Einsteins Grandson

14:54

so now i deleted that softwaredistribution direcotry

Hennes

(As answer to a bit earlier in the conversation)

Einsteins Grandson

now i want to trigger installing updates

from windows

Hennes

Ok, restart the service.

Einsteins Grandson

how will i do it?

Hennes

Some files will reappear

Then run the normal windows update

net start wuauserv

Einsteins Grandson

14:55

btw, i am installing the latest .NET framework

maybe it will help also

4.5.42524565484

Hennes

Unsurprisingly that also needs an elevated command prompt, and it has this as output

C:\Windows\system32>net start wuauserv
The Windows Update service is starting.
The Windows Update service was started successfully.

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