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Journeyman Geek

00:05

@Bob: no. the ideal mouse for me is a rounded block with buttons.

Psycogeek

Anybody with I7 kinda stuff know what "Cpu Audio" refers to in the UEFI? Cpu SA audio , or what the SA refers to? Its in the bios with Enable/disable , and calling it cpu doesnt help IF it is the GPUs/cpu HD HDMI audio output thing. I cant very well test if it is that.

vedantchandra

While we're on the topic of hardware, have a look at this piece of art:

Bob

@vedantchandra "two extra buttons" is on any mouse above the most basic, and I was already looking for one

in any case, that's why I mentioned XMBC - I don't need another set of drivers conflicting, so I'll stick with what works - and it works with any standard 5-button mouse

Journeyman Geek

@vedantchandra: yanno, I have a bit of money coming in... ;p

but I can't think of any practical use for that for me :(

vedantchandra

Well all Razer products essentially bypass traditional drivers an go straight to their Synapse software

Journeyman Geek

00:12

and there's an even nicer version

Bob

@vedantchandra no thanks... -_-

Journeyman Geek

@vedantchandra: its a non issue for me since I use a BW anyway

Bob

(also, there's no bypassing going on - it has to function as a standard HID, else you'd not have support in the BIOS)

the "Synapse software" is jsut a bunch of extra drivers loaded on top

vedantchandra

@JourneymanGeek I suppose it's main use would be gaming, but you could map the keys to anything, video, photo editing, or whatever.

Journeyman Geek

@vedantchandra: is that the orbweaver or the tartarus?

vedantchandra

00:13

That's the Razer Nostromo

Journeyman Geek

@vedantchandra: unless I could use the thumbstick as a mouse..

@vedantchandra: ahh

razerzone.com/sg-en/gaming-keyboards-keypads/razer-orbweaver

I want one of these

and the nostomo got replaced by the tartarus

vedantchandra

The predecessor to the Orbweaver, but half the price. The main difference is that the orbweaver uses mechanical keys, so tactile feedback and a eargasmic clicking sound. Apart from that, the Nostromo fits the bill nicely.

Journeyman Geek

lol

<3 mechanical keys

actually, I ended up swapping out both the desktop keyboards with blackwidows

vedantchandra

@JourneymanGeek Yes, but the Nostromo is cheaper, still in some markets, and also about the same as the Tartarus. I just say Nostromo because it's what I have.

Journeyman Geek

@vedantchandra: ooh

vedantchandra

00:16

Oh yes, the blackwidows are probably the best keyboards out there now!

Journeyman Geek

can you map the thumbstick to act as a mouse?

Oh, I'm not entirely convinced of that, but they're VERY easy to find

vedantchandra

@JourneymanGeek I'll have to check on that, it's a great idea though!

This is Razer Synapse, the software used to map Razer hardware

Journeyman Geek

oh, I am familiar with it

my desktop setup consists of a blackwidow, a kone xtd and a roccat apuri mouse bungee/powered USB hub

(and why do good powered usb hubs need to be so expensive :/)

vedantchandra

@JourneymanGeek Sounds droolable! I'm curious a to what all functions do you use them for? Gaming?

Journeyman Geek

@vedantchandra: not much gaming.

some, but I just tend to be a slight hardware snob

vedantchandra

00:23

What do you use the macro keys for then?

Journeyman Geek

same reason I have a nice pair of headphones, an external sound card (I'd be getting the new creative internal card for my desktop if I wasn't unsure if I would need to move overseas for work)

Braiam

su accepts kinddle usage questions?

Journeyman Geek

@vedantchandra: Reptitive tasks, especially during classwork. I also use it to launch software

and I disable my caps lock :)

for example, I have control f mapped to M5

vedantchandra

Same with my Nostromo. Interesting fact, Razer Synapse can auto-switch between profiles depending on which application you're using. So you can have different profiles for Finder, Chrome, whatever games you play, and the profiles will be switched automatically!

Journeyman Geek

totally useless when gaming, but useful everywhere else

vedantchandra

00:26

@JourneymanGeek On my mouse, I have one of the side buttons mapped to CMD-Click in the Chrome profile, which simplifies opening multiple bookmarks and links in new tabs.

Journeyman Geek

(also I need my mice programmable because I must have page up and page down mapped to keys under my scrollwheel)

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

What is the point of buying a new PC (desktop) when you can simply keep replacing the parts of your current computer?

Raghav Sood

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute Some parts require upgrades

Different processor sockets, for example

Buying ready made desktops isn't very useful though

If you're going to get a new one, custom build it

Journeyman Geek

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: at some point, you've replaced everything ;p

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

Well, custom building a PC is quite expensive, a good PC that is.

Raghav Sood

00:38

Yeah, but then it lasts pretty long too

Journeyman Geek

@RaghavSood: I find readymade full sized desktops a decent compromise if you want maintainability, but can't be arsed to spend the time building it

My desktop was once a dell 530 ;p

Braiam

when your mobo doesn't support the bleeding edge: cpu sockets, I/O ports (usb, sata), memory modules, etc... is more easier (and cheap) just replacing the whole pc

Raghav Sood

I've always preferred building my own

Journeyman Geek

lemme draw you a picture...

I have an old core 2 duo. Supports sata, so I can upgrade the HDD, and its got PCIe so I can fit in the graphics card.

Braiam

I'm in awe that you can draw @JourneymanGeek... I should sell your paints for some bucks... everyone wants to see the creations of "a dog"

Journeyman Geek

00:39

If it does though, I can't reuse the ram

or the motherboard

If I had something older, maybe not even that

and while cases last a long time, some design aspects change

so, you can go all grandfather's axe on your PC

vedantchandra

Well if anyone wants to build a computer, here's an indicator of pretty much how far you can go: youtu.be/JtHDqdo5pR0

Journeyman Geek

actually?

this is building a computer

quinndunki.com/blondihacks/?p=680

Braiam

I remember a magazine where they built a cheap system each 6 months for the office, the cheapest they went was 600

Journeyman Geek

as is Bunny Huang's Novena.

@Braiam: Ars does that

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

I am not that knowledgeable on computer parts so it would be a risk for me to buy parts that I am not very familiar with and spend over $700 on it (and not being sure if they are even compatible) than just buying ready-made pc.

allquixotic

00:45

welp, dad is always the opposite of what everyone else is -- he's warm and the rest of us are freezing cold. so of course we all freeze so he isn't hot. time to crank up the bitcoin mining to heat my room

Braiam

I assure you that when you build your first pc, you will feel good and your have no excuses like "my pc doesn't do this, darn"

allquixotic

already told them, if they want me to waste a kilowatt of energy instead of burning that nice efficient natural gas to heat my room, so be it

Braiam

O_O

Journeyman Geek

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: building PCs and picking parts isn't rocket science

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

@Braiam I am thinking about ordering them online from newegg.com or something.

Journeyman Geek

00:47

and maybe half the channel are system builders. ;p

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

@JourneymanGeek Which processor, the hundreds of coolers, the companies that offer ram

Journeyman Geek

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: for a first build? Go with a stock cooler ;p

upgrade later once you have everything done. In addition, third party coolers tend to be marked with what sockets they work with

Braiam

yeah, Intel coolers don't sucked that bad as far I remember

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

i am literally a beginner. have no clue where to go in the first place to buy. what price is considered cheap.

etc.

Journeyman Geek

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/07/… is a good start

as is the falcon/logical increments guide

logicalincrements.com

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

00:53

$833.89?! holly crap

and that is 8gb ram and just 120gb hard disk?!

Journeyman Geek

SSD

big difference

if you want cheaper, take a look at the logical increments guide

(IE, the most important part of building a system, and the second most fun bit is research)

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

wait, does this include, speakers, display, keyboard and mice and other stuff too?

Maybe I should wait for black friday to buy.

Journeyman Geek

yeah

lol

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

yeah for black friday or yeah for speakers and other stuff?

Journeyman Geek

these days? I'd probably spread out my purchases.

it includes speakers and a keyboard/mouse combo which is usable

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

00:59

I already have speakers, monitor, mice and keyboard.

Journeyman Geek

yeah

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

?

Journeyman Geek

(I think I spent a little over a grand on the core of my system)

well, you can reuse those

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

there is no way im spending over a grand on the entire system, with everything, so definitely not just on the core parts.

Journeyman Geek

but I got a very nice case, a HDD and a SSD (the latter was free), a core i7 and a gforce 660

hmm

ok, lets start with the obvious

what're you planning to use your PC for?

and what's your budget?

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

01:04

Max I could go for $750 but would like it lower.

Trying to build a heavy-duty PC in a sense that it doesn't run like a turtle.

Journeyman Geek

inclusive of case?

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

I don't want people saying, "well this computer is designed for such heavy-duty use" no matter what I do.

I'll need a case too.

Little bit of gaming, programming, general applications (big ones) and just general surfing.

Journeyman Geek

meh

ram is a LOT more expensive than I remember

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

and this is why I don't want to build a computer.

its too freakin expensive

Bob

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute too open-ended

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

01:12

@Bob what do you mean?

Bob

well, no matter what you buy, there will always be something that's too much for it

even more so if you want a reasonable budget

gaming - what kind of games?

programming - do you expect to need to compile large projects (e.g. Chromium, Firefox, Linux kernel, those massive ones) often?

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

well i play gta (old ones) and nfs every once in a while

@Bob No.

Bob

there are some games that won't run smoothly except on the very highest end graphics cards

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute then an i5 is likely enough

though an i7 is obviously better

Journeyman Geek

hmm

Bob

most games don't require a particularly fast CPU; they're more graphics-intensive

Journeyman Geek

01:15

I'm at 545 other than the video card and the PSU

Bob

some with more advanced physics, or simulations (Civ 5 with a complex world, apparently), will require a better CPU

an i5 and i7 are mostly the same, i7s just tend to have more cores

most applications aren't that well parallelised

compiling is one of those that are

video transcoding too

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

games aren't that big of a deal.

Bob

also, if yuo want to massively multitask (lots of CPU-intensive programs at the same time)

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

programming is limited to generally small stuff.

Bob

games in general want better GPUs, though older ones should be happy with a mid-range

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

01:17

applications like photoshop and a few other similar apps

Bob

I'd recommend, as a basic set, an i5 and 8 GB of RAM, with some room for expansion (e.g. slightly higher specced PSU)

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

was looking for 8gigs ram, but not required to have.

Bob

if you plan to have a lot of (or large) PS instances open, you might even want to go to 16 GB

the price of 4 => 8 GB RAM isn't that high, and would be a massive difference

for a desktop, I'd almost never recommend under 8 GB

Journeyman Geek

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: 8 gig is a happy medium

I went with 16

Bob

the GPU tends to be the easiest to waste money on

though it's also the easiest to upgrade later as you require

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

01:20

what's the price diff. between 8gigs and 16? huge or minimum?

Journeyman Geek

pcpartpicker.com/p/1XxJ5

Bob

depends where you are, really

hrm. prices have gone up.

Journeyman Geek

thats a quick and dirty setup I did

@Bob: yeah, thats what I said

Bob

it's about $80 for me now, it was about half that a few years ago

maybe they're gearing up for DDR4

Journeyman Geek

(last generation, mid range card. Its bloody awesome tho)

@Bob: and phone ram

Bob

01:22

oh yea, @AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute, if you plan to run VMs go for an i7 with VT-x support

Journeyman Geek

no way you can build an I7 on that budget tho

Bob

@JourneymanGeek what was the budget?

Journeyman Geek

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: the link above is a good starting point

~ 750

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

i have a i3 laptop that runs vm's fine...

Bob

@JourneymanGeek on a closer look, I could still grab 8 GB of 1600MHz RAM for $50

@JourneymanGeek eh, definitely possible

Journeyman Geek

01:24

I cut it SERIOUSLY close on my build design

Bob

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute until you try to do something demanding on the guest or the hsot (or both)

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

3tb for $120?

Journeyman Geek

(less ram than I would have liked, went for best price per gig + reliability on storage over a SSD, last gen GPU)

You can go cheaper, but IMO hitachi makes the best drives on the market

Bob

@JourneymanGeek An i7 would be ~50-100 more than an i5

not too bad, depending on your needs

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

i was looking for ssd's. Heard a lot of good about it and would like to try it. of course, if it kills the budget, then i'll take hdd

Journeyman Geek

01:25

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: toshiba's the cheapest on pc price picker

Bob

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute depends how much space you need

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

not 3 tb :D

Bob

SSDs are very expensive per GB

I actually normally recommend getting a larger HDD with a small (~32-64GB) SSD as a cache

you get almost the full performance boost of a SSD, with the space of a HDD

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

id prefer 200-300 gigs and then later get an additional 2nd hdd.

Bob

but its a bit more complicated to set up, and obviously more expensive than just getting a HDD by itself

Journeyman Geek

01:27

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7pd128bw is what I have

Bob

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute that'll run you ~$200 for a SSD

Journeyman Geek

I went with a 250gb ssd and a 3tb HDD

Bob

for the same price, you could get a 2-3 TB HDD + 64 GB cache

Canadian Luke

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A: Cloning windows 7 fails

You need to build reference images in VMs. I promise you, once you stop building reference images on physical hardware, 99% of all your problems go away. Did you even bother to sysprep this system?

^^^ Read comments, then the question

And, just cause it's an awesome amount of rep: freelancing.stackexchange.com/users/75/canadian-luke

Journeyman Geek

ONE KILOREP!

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

01:31

@Bob I really don't think I need more than 1TB.

How much would the price drop with 1TB HDD and maybe 32GB SSD?

Journeyman Geek

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: storage gets cheaper as it gets bigger.

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

Well yeah, but I must be paying extra money for 3 times the storage, right?

1TB + 32GB has to be cheaper than 3TB + 64GB

Journeyman Geek

not 3x the money!

naturally

but I'd rather a 3tb drive than 1tb + some ssd

theverge.com/2013/11/4/5063994/… though... drool

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

if it falls in budget, then ok.

3TB+32GB SSD. How much does that all come out as?

over $750?

Journeyman Geek

why not pop in your build into pc parts picker and find out? ;p

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

01:34

Because I don't know which CPU's and motherboards to choose since it gives about hundreds of each

Journeyman Geek

01:48

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: if you start with a processor, it'll cut it down to compatible motherboards

I'd go with asrock if I'm on a tight budget and gigabyte or asus otherwise

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

@JourneymanGeek Well what is the best one?

Braiam

how did I miss The Bucket List (movie)??

Bob

02:06

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute a 32GB and 64GB SSD are about the same price

probably because there's really only one 32GB SSD, and that's an Intel one

Journeyman Geek

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: gigabyte builds their boards like a brick shithouse

I went with asus this time cause that generation of gigabyte boards had some VRM issues on overclocking, and I wanted to play it safe

all three are VERY solid brands I'd recommend wholeheartedly

(though, my system is suspiciously heavy on asus parts, so I may have a SLIGHT pro asus bias at this point of time)

Boris_yo

05:42

@JourneymanGeek How about their quality control? And what about MSI motherboards?

Journeyman Geek

06:09

@Boris_yo: not had any failures other than PEBKAC ones

so no idea

and never used MSI, so can't give a first hand opinion

Bob

08:07

@JourneymanGeek I want to say "run away and never look back", but my mostly-MSI machine is still running, so...

(I also can't say if it's better or worse than others)

Journeyman Geek

lol

Boris_yo

08:32

@JourneymanGeek Any thoughts on MSI made laptops?

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: for me, thinkpad or bust

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek PEBKAC failure? That's user's failure. When did you fail @JourneymanGeek ?

@JourneymanGeek What's bust?

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: installed the processor wrongly and broke the motherboard

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Are you intoxicated?

Journeyman Geek

nope

Oliver Salzburg

11:12

I have to fill out a form for my car insurance and the PDF I got is secured, so I can't fill it out directly, I have to print it out and scan it again? wtf

Braiam

don't they allow you to fill out??? Weird...

Oliver Salzburg

@Braiam I can insert images, but not text

Braiam

O_O even weirder...

Oliver Salzburg

Yeah

Well, at least I can already put my signature in :P

This whole "I need your signature on this" thing is getting more ridiculous every day. All I'm doing is inserting a PNG into a PDF

Braiam

you sure the thing isn't to be filled other way, no instructions or anything?

Oliver Salzburg

11:17

@Braiam Well, I'm supposed to print it out

But I refuse to do that :P

Braiam

just write the values, do a screenshot, cut everything and paste it in the form :P

Oliver Salzburg

I would only need to insert a date next to my signature

The rest is already pre-filled based on information gathered via phone

Which is probably why they think they need to protect it

Boris_yo

11:33

Hmmmm ^^^

Icon next to star? Says Chrome wants to install service...

Braiam

chrome?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo It allows web applications to handle certain tasks on your local machine, like having Gmail handle your email business

Boris_yo

@Braiam Yes

@OliverSalzburg Yes it asks to open external email links...

Oliver Salzburg

11:48

Neat Thunderbird now structures my email identities more nicely when sending a message

Braiam

@Boris_yo ^ that's why

Boris_yo

@Braiam What's this?

@Psycogeek Yo

Braiam

@Boris_yo either you have 3rd party images (like a mail showing you outside images) or chrome is whining about the site that doesn't supply ownership

Boris_yo

17 mins ago, by Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo It allows web applications to handle certain tasks on your local machine, like having Gmail handle your email business

Oliver Salzburg

It doesn't want to install a "service", but a "service handler". Meaning it will handle mailto: actions

Boris_yo

12:06

@OliverSalzburg Okay. You know what is 4th partition here?

How can it be OEM partition if C:\ is my OEM partition? D:\ is system restore.

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo I guess it's a partition from the manufacturer with a recovery system

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg What is D:\ then?

I don't have any options for OEM partition except "Help"

Oliver Salzburg

12:39

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Q: How to restore the OEM partition after installing Windows 8?

I installed Windows 8 onto my Lenovo S-10 netbook. I now want to go back to Windows XP so I can give the netbook away. Previously after installing other OSes such as Windows 7 on the device I have been able to go back to Windows XP by pressing the "Restore" hardware key. Now whenever I press thi...

@Boris_yo This is the only thing on SU that I could find on the topic

Maybe post a question about it

Kwaio

How hype is it to have 666 rep ?

Journeyman Geek

13:17

lol

I am hoping to hit 66666 rep at some point ;0

Braiam

@JourneymanGeek I'll downvote one of your Q/A if you are in 66668 ;)

Journeyman Geek

13:31

allquixotic

14:35

asdf

Journeyman Geek

droidliketyping detected

Braiam

starting up countermeasures...?

allquixotic

would it make sense to clean up / delete the entire comment war here? the discussion seems to have died down and there haven't been any edits or comments for several days, so to clean up the post for posterity (googlers etc) it's probably best to rm -rf /comments

whoa

Braiam

14:50

@allquixotic last two comments are constructive tho...

allquixotic

apparently Verizon is rolling out new LTE bands on 1700 MHz Band 4

that's AWS, and should be compatible across continents... they shipped new firmware to my phone with an updated radio to support it :)

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