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yeah, start this if you like my new gravatar... those that don't like it, I have 3 words: haters gonna hate :P
@OliverSalzburg ^
We need that for your avatar ;P
@OliverSalzburg I'm under the assumption that the only dog allowed in this chat is @JourneymanGeek, no?
@Braiam Well, it doesn't have to be the dog
Say, in Windows, how do I give a program permissions? I know how to give myself or another user permissions, but how do you add Photoshop as a permission object. Or is Photoshop "me" when it comes to dealing with files?
@Ariane You can't give Photoshop permissions. The process inherits the permissions from the user that executed it
00:15
@OliverSalzburg Understood. I'll give myself full control over the whole damned AppData Photoshop folder.
...I already do have full control.
Let's try the program folders.
Sounds wrong
Okay, nothing works. I've got no time for this. I'll launch it as admin for now and find a solution some other time
00:31
@Braiam: as long as its not one of my avas, I don't really care.
sonova...
I was referring to the fact that no dog (except you ;)) is allowed in this chat box :P
I'm having interference again.
@Braiam: I'd like to think we're animal friendly ;p
!!define "sonova"
00:33
@Mr.IDon'tCare My pocket dictionary just isn't good enough for you.
O_O
!!define sonova
@Braiam My pocket dictionary just isn't good enough for you.
lol
@Braiam: its a polite way of saying son of a 'female dog'
tho the last bit is implied, and can be switched for other things for comedic value.
00:35
... err... please use not-too-localized jokes... this is the darn internets! I should be able to say that you are using the expression in a wrong way ¬_¬
lol
its not localised
I THINK it started as an americanism
you guys have here a question about how to reset the chrome sync data when annoying web pages get set as "home page"? askubuntu.com/q/361194/169736
00:52
@JourneymanGeek sonoma
@JourneymanGeek what you think isn't relevant... what is relevant is what we think you are thinking, and what in the end will only matter...
@Braiam: assuming you think at all
@JourneymanGeek You consider him to be braindead?
@Boris_yo no, he considers us all to be braindead...
@Braiam: or non sapient until proven otherwise.
01:04
We are not if we still are here on SU chat ;)
@JourneymanGeek How do we prove otherwise? You want to see a screenshot of our character stats?
through what you say ;p
I am not convinced of some of you XD
Okay.

My intelligence is 6 out of 10
My wisdom is 7 out of 10

Does that qualify as not braindead?
classic
I'm actually lazily browsing Imgur right now
gotta love when that comes up
lol
"disk 1 of over 9 trillion"
01:22
@Braiam They do it with other animals too.
@JourneymanGeek Only YouTube takes 9 trillion.
Good old windows 3.11 :p
Hedgehog does not even know personally another but for unknown reason already hates him.
@SimonSheehan I have most of the windows 95 upgrade floppies
@JourneymanGeek wow haha. Our first computer had a floppy, but we got one in 2001... so it was fairly modern already
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our first computer was an xt clone (then 486, then PII, then PIV (x2), followed by a c2d - which we still use)
01:34
@JourneymanGeek haha nice. We had an 800mhz Athlon actually, and a 7200RPM 40GB drive. So all my friends always like WOW YOUR COMPUTER IS SO FAST
@SimonSheehan: I think my current personal desktop is the first time I've gone slightly crazy on a desktop build
usually I end up building decent low-mid range boxen
@JourneymanGeek same, we always just had pre-built or laptops, my desktop is the big rig.... so its names Simon's Bigrig
(on the network)
my laptops don't need much power
especially with the state of remote desktop these days <3
Ahh that's true
My desktop is more of a gaming machine these days really
I use my laptop for just superuser/daily stuff
lol
yeah
actually seriously considering a chromebook for a main-mobile system
01:38
I have my Macbook... I plan to keep this thing for a long time
oh, I tend to upgrade laptops every 5 years or so
Well, my ideapad last about 2.5 :P
 
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02:50
Don't you just LOVE 1 hour round trip call outs just to find out that the reason there is a fault is because a user unplugged a USB cable?
lol
only if it pays well
03:04
Hahaha, well my employer get's paid well for it.
03:17
So I just realized that you get absolutely free streaming music on Windows 8 with xBox Music.
Yet people would still rather pay $1.5 for iTunes...
#ThatLogic
@Mr.IDon'tCare Yea, my brother worked that out yesterday as well!
He was pretty happy.
I might give that a poke.
hmm
/me needs to take a screenshot when he gets exactly 110 reputation. Then I'll be at 55555 rep
Can someone suggest an alternative to WinRAR?
7zip can't handle .rar, I think.
03:28
Of course it can!
It can undo it, but not do it, apparently.
That's right.
/me is rather fond of xz
There was something... I think I downloaded it at school because they have no archive utility beyond file explorer, and there was a format it couldn't handle, and I had to try another (which was annoying to use but did handle the format)
has smaller compression sizes, and treads better.
03:30
.tar.gz maybe ? Nope, not that.
why do you need to compress into .rar?
7zip extracts most of the common ones
The only thing I don't like about 7zip is that you can't open images from within the archive
@MichaelFrank Because sometimes people ask me for a .rar.
And what is wrong with winRAR?
03:34
its not free as in beer
It gives annoying popups. That's about it. xD
you're options are pretty limited...
ie. WinRAR or Betterzip.
And Betterzip is made for OS X and is also Trialware.
Heh.
But really, is WinRAR making any profits? They offer their software for free and when the trial period ends all you have is "please buy" each time you use it.
I'm sure there are lots of people that think "Hey, this software is useful. I think I'll buy it!"
As a dirt-poor person those thoughts are unfathomable to me. :p
03:40
Well, next time someone asks you for a .rar file, send then a .7z and the 7zip installer. :P
Lol, I launched the installer for a free competitor, Izarc, mostly out of curiosity. There are 4 partner "bonus software", one of which you can't opt out of. Lol.
Yea... their website has 3 download buttons on the home page, there's no way I would touch that software!
Sorry, make that 4.
or a self extractable exe
I was mainly curious because some top somewhere put it in #2, and how in contrast the website seemed more than shady.
Pretty sure they are just making up file extensions.

"IZArc is the best free file compression utility supporting many archive formats like: 7-ZIP, A, ACE, ARC, ARJ, B64, BH, BIN, BZ2, BZA, C2D, CAB, CDI, CPIO,
DEB, ENC, GCA, GZ, GZA, HA, IMG, ISO, JAR, LHA, LIB, LZH, MDF, MBF, MIM, NRG, PAK, PDI, PK3, RAR, RPM, TAR, TAZ, TBZ, TGZ, TZ, UUE, WAR,
XPI, XXE, YZ1, Z, ZIP, ZOO. "
:P
03:45
Not so sure. You come across such silly file extensions...
what, no support for .potato?
Lol.
Anyway, I'll leave you now. I have lots of urgent stuff that piled up while I was bitterly regretting my "smart" decision to upgrade to Windows 8.1 on the day of the release despite the work I had to do.
 
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04:50
Aka humans torturing other species with computers , will you be next :-)
Bob
Bob
05:05
@Boris_yo Congratulations. You found a fucking b/g card.
'course it's $1 - no one wants it
Ah, web devs - they complain that XHTML was too strict -_-
05:34
lol
 
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07:23
I am soo confused :-) it is new it is old, it is the worst of both. Yuri russel
Bob
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@Psycogeek My eyes! Make it stop!
HAMMERTIME!
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@ChatBotJohnCavil Ok, that one was completely unintentional. For once.
 
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define normal first
@Sathya Seems suspicious ;P
I also love this comment :D
@JourneymanGeek - Thanks fixed it. — ihateapps 42 mins ago
@OliverSalzburg :D
10:24
@OliverSalzburg Shut up and take my money!
@Psycogeek What kind of Windows 95 modification is this?
@Boris_yo its the new Metro 95
it is all the rage, the retro metro
@Psycogeek And then conspiracy theorists whine about cybernetic future of humanity. You torture insects, animals? Time will come to torture yourselves. Karma works both ways! Maybe with crowdfunding, we will soon start to fund death warrant execution.
@OliverSalzburg: I know, right
then someone comes into the mod room and complains we're all linux fanboys
Bob
Bob
@JourneymanGeek wait what
@JourneymanGeek that's somewhat true only if we are around
10:35
in Ask a Super User Moderator, yesterday, by Radoo
Sometimes I agree with the mods, sometimes I don't, after staying about 15 minutes or so to answer someone's post about Windows popularity, and all about each major OS for PC, I came back to see that the whole post was deleted because some guy just thought it will degenerate into a OS war. F*ck you, very much!
Bob
Bob
...wut
Bob
Bob
ironically, SU is more Windows-oriented than not
@JourneymanGeek pointed at me, since I deleted the question
so.. my reply:
@Sathya: yeah
10:45
@Bob Yes, b/g wireless NIC for people with old 54Mbps routers like me.
@radoo I don't know if this AT radoo thing will get to you, but why not comment to the person in a chat. Something subjective is considered OK in chat. On a related note, i'm intrigued by what you consider to be free software
Bob
Bob
@barlop if you went to the ask a mod room, you could ping him there
normal pings only work if a user has been in the room recently
Hi guys! Anyone from England able to give me a little help? I want to download this as a MP3 - bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01h47lg - but failing :( My brother was on the show for an hour and I want to keep a copy
Trying to use VLC, but, it seems transcoding and keeping it open for 3 hours is the only way :/ ... and not sure I am even doing it correctly as I suck at audio/video stuff...
Bob
Bob
@WilliamHilsum Do we have to be in England?
I don't think Iplayer works abroad... if it does, feel free to help! :)
I can even give a proxy! I just need to save it! :)
10:58
@WilliamHilsum yeah
@WilliamHilsum i'll try it
listen now 180min berkshire.. the big speaker pic , i'll click that
as a start anyway, see if that works. What exactly do you want me to do?
I am just trying to save as a mp3
I just found this ... woodygems.wordpress.com/2013/07/04/… ... looking now
just tried streamtransport but it didn't see it
Bob
Bob
@WilliamHilsum Seems to work just fine in Aus
that is flash... I already found a site that gives me the mms:// stream, but, I think I got the transcoding settings wrong
Windows Media Audio

URL to global Windows Media ASX playlist (UK or international):
http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/asx/p01h47lq/iplayer_intl_stream_wma

URL to global raw Windows Media (WMV) file:
mms://wm.bbc.co.uk/wms/england/radioberkshire/aod/mon_1300.wma

URL to UK raw Windows Media (WMV) file:
mms://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/england/radioberkshire/aod/mon_1300.wma


From : http://www.iplayerconverter.co.uk/convert.aspx
That's how I got the mms:// links
It looks like what I did on VLC did work, but, it is very noisy/low quality... I even saved as FLAC thinking that would be best :/
11:06
oooohhh... trying now :) Thanks!
just worried as I think there is only a few hours before they will bring the program down
Bob
Bob
@WilliamHilsum you'll need to install rtmpdump
yea, it says 4 hours
@WilliamHilsum That site seems more than a little outdated :(
what's this crap about MS-DOS PIF shortcuts? O.O
a link mentioned- mplayer mms://url -dumpstream -dumpfile foo.wmv
so just trying mplayer mms://wm.bbc.co.uk/wms/england/radioberkshire/aod/mon_1300.wma -dumpstream -dumpfile foo.wma
@WilliamHilsum it looks like it's getting busy Connected
unknown object
file object, packet length = 2261 (2261)
unknown object....
Stream not seekable!
dump: 380928 bytes written
and that number is increasing.
I am coming up with random issues :( I have a flac, just annoying as it is low quality/noisy and you can't skip... The show is on for 3 hours and my brother is on at 2h-3h! :(
ah mplayer said "stream not seekable"
Trying a second MP3 download now with VLC, but, honestly, not sure what I am doing :/
11:20
neither am I.. but maybe you need to convert it somehow to make it seekable.
i've got an idea.. the mplayer line downloaded just a scrap of it, and i see it's not seekable, but that makes an easy thing to work with..
Bob
Bob
@WilliamHilsum Success!
get-iplayer -g --type=radio --pid p01h47lg
is it seekable?
Bob
Bob
Starting download at: 0.000 kB
36041.112 kB / 3634.62 sec
ERROR: RTMP_ReadPacket, failed to read RTMP packet header
Resuming download at: 36073.202 kB
45653.230 kB / 4604.00 sec
it's going it's going
ge.tt/3vY5lqv/v/0 <-- here is 28 seconds wma file, not seekable. if this is convertable, then you can convert the whole thing once downloaded. that was done with that mplayer line I mentioned.
Bob
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it's downloading as FLV though
WARNING: ffmpeg does not exist - not converting flv file
11:23
@Bob my mplayer line downloaded it as wma
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Download complete
now where the hell did it put it?
it the 28sec clip seekable
C:\>ffmpeg -i foo.wma -acodec libmp3lame -vcodec libx264 foo.mp4
so that would work on the whole thing
Bob
Bob
@WilliamHilsum Got it. It works.
wooot! it works!? I am trying this - infradead.org/get_iplayer/html/get_iplayer.html - I'll stop it if you have it! :)
Bob
Bob
@WilliamHilsum You can either use the get-iplayer line from above or download it off my server here
it's 104MB, FLV
11:30
@Bob but would still need to be converted to seekable wouldn't it?
Bob
Bob
@barlop well, the stream gets interrupted several times - get-iplayer retried, while mplayer gives up
@Bob Downloading thanks... Looks funky webserver! :)
Bob
Bob
just go with what works :P
get iplayer's web interface is funky...
Bob
Bob
@WilliamHilsum huh, that link is my webserver
I already ran get-iplayer via command line, which downloaded to a file I've now hosted :P
11:33
@Bob ajax explorer, nice! :) I need to get a good setup here so I can give people links and stuff!
thanks... well... no time to listen for 2 hours, but, I guess it is there and the quality is nice, so, thanks so much for your help
and barlop, thanks for your help as well
Bob
Bob
@barlop get-iplayer can't seem to find the wma or mp3 streams, unfortunately
so, yea. either live with flv, convert it, or try mplayer :P
@Bob what msg did you get when mplayer got interrupted such that you knew it was getting interrupted?
Bob
Bob
@barlop huh, I haven't tried - I thought you said it was interrupted?
no I don't think I said that
Bob
Bob
oh, unless you manually interrupted it?
11:36
I did download and after about 2min I did ctrl-c. played it. saw it's not seekable . mplayer said it's not seekable. and I converted it in ffmpeg to mp4 so it's searchable.
Bob
Bob
> the mplayer line downloaded just a scrap of it
right, I interrupted it manually to test playing it and converting it and seeing if it worked and it did.
Bob
Bob
@barlop ah, right, I misunderstood, sorry
@WilliamHilsum let me know when you have it - I should probably reclaim that space
actually, never mind - 80% free :P
how big is the file?
Bob
Bob
@barlop 104MB
the server only has 15GB, but I haven't really used it much recently
@barlop mplayer seems far slower
11:39
yeah you're right... like 4MB so far and i've been running it for a while
Bob
Bob
I started a minute ago and it's only gotten 500kB so far
200 mins is a bit too long :\
i guess for 4MB anyway, it just shows me the amount in bytes and i'm trying to do the math, i can't see where it stores it while it downloads
Bob
Bob
looks like it might be recording it in realtime
not actually downloading
where is it storing it and with what name?
Bob
Bob
dunno, I'm just looking at the bytes written
11:40
i'll grab process monitor!
Bob
Bob
@barlop => mplayer 11705 root 6w REG 144,242 1601536 35007574 /root/foo.wma
eww, you're running it as root
Bob
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@JourneymanGeek yes :P
Bob
Bob
this server is due a reimage anyway
11:43
and how big is foo.wma?
Bob
Bob
> 1601536
looks like I won't be hitting exactly 55 555 rep
I checked with process monitor, my foo2.wma (that I called it) is 0 bytes
Bob
Bob
same as the size mplayer says in bytes written at the time
we can downvote you a bit if it helps?
11:44
i mean.. I don't recall actually what output file i specified in the cmd prompt.. But process monitor says it's writing to foo2.wma
@Bob: lol. Or I can downvote a bit, I guess
Bob
Bob
@barlop 7 mins and only 2.5MB
I'm gonna cancel
this is ridiculous
more ridiculous is my foo2.wma is 0 bytes
though process monitor says it is writing to it
What did you use to show you what file mplayer was writing?
Bob
Bob
@barlop there's any number of possible reasons, and it's not really a problem
could be caching somewhere
using a temp file
etc.
@barlop lsof | grep mplayer, but I'm on Linux
well, process monitor should really show me where it's caching
Bob
Bob
11:47
@barlop if a temp file, yes. if in memory, no
it's perfectly possible that it only flushes to disk after X bytes
lsof shows disk though right?
7MB so far , process monitor shows writes to the file. though the file is 0 bytes.
Bob
Bob
@barlop it's possible the file size in the metadata isn't updated until the file is closed
unfortunately there is no lsof listed in cygwin's list of packages.
Bob
Bob
lsof just lists open handles and sockets anyway
@Bob was it showing a handle or a socket there?
Bob
Bob
11:49
file handle
a handle i guess
anyone with less scruples than me want some free rep? superuser.com/questions/663095/…
and if the file is closed, lsof doesn't apply?
Bob
Bob
there was a TCP socket just above it for the location it was downloading from :P
oh so both, impressive.
11:51
@Bob Hi... All downloaded, thanks :) I also downloaded the Get_iplayer and tried it on a few other shows... seems awesome...
hm
all my metro apps seem broken
another victim of windows 8.1, ummm?
Bob
Bob
@Ariane IZArc used to be good.
I still have an old version of it installed, actually.
It's only in the last year or two that they've been spamming ads :(
hm, google works now
so its just store that seems borked
anyone else running windows 8.1?
12:02
@JourneymanGeek me on my laptop and home
@JourneymanGeek there superuser.com/a/663114/235569 :P
@WilliamHilsum note the ffmpeg line afterwards to make it seekable
@WilliamHilsum: heh, I need to check if weather and windows store work
btw, I was sure that uninstalling pressing the "Uninstall" button when selecting an app should have really uninstall it... not bring up another window... is retarded :(
search finally works in 8.1
weather seems to be ok for me
store... don't really use it :/
12:04
@bob @WilliamHilsum mplayer one has now downloaded it, it is about 30MB!
was the get-iplayer one 100MB?
or maybe 15MB ge.tt/2PwUwqv/v/0
dunno if that's the whole thing, it might be!
and that's seekable
15,891,920 foo2.mp4 <--- seekable
11,836,966 foo2.wma <-- not seekable
13:00
Hmm, I can filter my eventlog on "disk" and on "Disk".
Once with capital D, once without
13:13
is Windows 8 backward compatible with Office 2003 and Office XP?
@barlop Get Iplayer was just open, type, click and it downloaded a 104,803KB searchable MP3... very impressed
is Windows 8 backward compatible with Office 2003 and Office XP?
13:30
Who uses Microsoft Silverlight here? Do you like it? It came bundled with my Windows 7.
@Boris_yo It's dead
@Hennes "This is where TRIM comes in. With TRIM support, the delete command actually tells the drive to erase all of the data associated with a file, rather than just the index information. The SSD erases the blocks where the file was stored immediately (or very shortly thereafter), so that the next write can immediately write the data, rather than having to cache-erase-write."

What if one block stores other files as well that should not be deleted? I do not see how TRIM would not perform cache-erase-write here.
it is/was great, much better than flash for some things, but, it has already been discontinued and people who use it are moving away from it
in what ways was it better than flash?
@WilliamHilsum Defunct?
13:32
it works, but, support will end very soon
@WilliamHilsum That's weird because I thought Silverlight is a suite of tools for office work. I remember how I clicked on Silverlight icon and was offered menu to choose which tools I want to work in. I think it also offered offline blogging platform where you could write and publish posts online to your blog.
Microsoft Silverlight is an application framework for writing and running rich Internet applications, with features and purposes similar to those of Adobe Flash. The run-time environment for Silverlight is available as a plug-in for web browsers running under Microsoft Windows and OS X. While early versions of Silverlight focused on streaming media, current versions support multimedia, graphics, and animation, and give developers support for CLI languages and development tools. Silverlight is also one of the two application development platforms for Windows Phone, but web pages which use ...
@WilliamHilsum It's like framework for development of different apps in it?
no
it is just the framework
e.g. flash has flash professional for programming and flash as the plugin
silverlight is the plugin... Visual Studio, Blend and a few other tools are for programming in Silverlight
@WilliamHilsum how long was the file in duration?
13:45
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Does Wndows XP store specific folder's files' positions in any kind of file or registry entry?
@DoktoroReichard NFTS stores the location of files in MFT ...'
Why do you ask ?
Had a freak accident with registry settings and my root folder lost it's "neatness".
Well, nothing is lost, just have to remember where everything was
thanks @Gowtham
Wait... maybe I was a little too hasty to accept this, but by location did you mean the "physical" file's location?
@WilliamHilsum i ask 'cos i'm curious whether mplayer failed to get the whole thing? (mplayer got 30min)
ah hah
I had a proxy set up
Bob
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13:59
@barlop Yea, might be the different encoding.
@Bob what was the duration on your 100MB file?
mplayer's was about 11MB 30min wma(same format as original). ffmpeg could make that a 15MB mp3. But since yours was 100MB I'm wondering if it was much longer duration?

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