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Boris_yo

00:10

@Psycogeek Only Duke Nukem will survive.

Psycogeek

Ohh baby I want your ads, oooh baby just give me ads, that ain't a media player its just a commercial layer , give me ads. Ooooh to the store, gonna buy me lots of junk just like a whore, give me shopping, give me infomercials give me ads. You can break all of my programs, and fill up all my disks with your ads.

It really not an update, sorry but your to late, its all ads.

Needs a title, Ode to advance OS.

tapped-out

didn't know you were a poet @Psycogeek

;)

Psycogeek

I got lots of DRM now, its really kinda neet, I can't play my own video but I grovel at your feet, Macrovision and Microsoft have set it up quite nice, I can see whatever I want, as long as I pay the price. Put my music on the puter, that I sung myself one day, but now they want to charge me for everytime I play, just give me ads, I really need them ads.

Psycogeek

00:31

I sped up my computer, its faster than before, the system makes it faster by beating on the core. it's used up all my memory just like it did before. so why is it so slow now, after all that I have done? They are only trying to use me to make the ads all run. I got fast ads, fast ads, I cant not see the text, but I'm not that perplexed , I got the ads.

HTLM5 what a nifty sounding thing, but what will this improvement to me really bring? I got pictures sound and video and text right off the web, so what else is there to make the tide ebb . More adds, more more ways to bring them. Without a new delivery system the web would stagnate, they have to do something or the haters will hate, so bring me ads, more more more ads.

It works better with the music, but that part is all in my head :-0

Psycogeek

00:58

It ended up putting IE10 anyway. it is pretty cool how I do not need Flash to play video at youtube. Only problem is they do not play right when I slam into the video, I have to refresh the page first.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Dang I guess SU users didn't know you that well... You have got talent. Consider yourself participating at American Idol?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I would first have to make a fool of myself on Youtube, Then you go viral, then you go to American idio idol.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek No worries. YouTube is free. Get your first PR there for free!

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo would you believe ? because the scientists are to busy making money on it already.

The politicians have to wait for the bribes

If they roll over to early, there goes the pot o' gold.

You realize that they will "fix" global climate change, just like they fixed everything else. We just need to give them money, for some really smart sounding solution, that will go horribly wrong and then we really got something to worry about.

As odd as it sounds, there was going to be global cooling, the billions of tons a year of particles in the air (much like a volcano or massive forest fire) were going to block the sun. we would all freeze to death and die. (in our cars with the motor running)

They "fixed" the particulate problem, by arranging to have ONE aspect of the horrific world damaging pollution slowed down drastically , this (of course) takes it further off of nature, as an imbalance. The gasses are going into the air still , pretty much making every person breathing them rather "different" and the particulates no longer provide any balance.

Sooo, dumasses that they are, they are researching (none other than) purposefully putting way more horrific particulates into the air, to "solve" the problem. It makes perfect sense

Then, knowing human nature, they will want to distribute this mylar garbage (guessing) into low earth orbit, so it will stay in place longer. This of course will be very easy to control, because it will be spread out 165 million miles.

And getting up there to "fix" it again is not so easy.

Next they will have to release "Smart Particles" they will be designed to attract and disemnate the first set of particles. By doing so they will add another 58trillion tons of rocket fuel based gasses into the air, making the other problem worse.

The "smart particles" will be designed to attract, with unintended consequences, they will attach themselves to sattalites booster rockets, the moon, and space junk will be raining down out of the sky.

But that isn't a problem yet, because they will "FIX" that . . . .

Almost the first lesson in science , the last lesson in business "cause and effect" for every action there is an equal and often way worse :-) reaction.

50-3

01:52

@Psycogeek I hope you really needed this info :) I'm going for a smoke because my brain hertz now

2

A: Is RAID 0 stripe size the amount placed on each disk? Or the total block size?

Data striping: In computer data storage, data striping is the technique of segmenting logically sequential data, such as a file, so that consecutive segments are stored on different physical storage devices. -Wikipedia Terminology used when discussing Data Striping Stripe/Block: A stripe...

Psycogeek

@50-3 oh hjey I found the forensic link, got it right here. and I hope you used the right "terminology"

►

As the question stated, i wanted to See it, based on it split up, as that would be total proof. this guy shows where the actual breaks in the data are.

OOps, the video landed in the wrong spot, you dont want to be watching all that stuff :-)

Try this. youtube.com/… And the time is 50:44

50-3

02:10

Yer it's not easy without access to the hardware (That you can legaly show) as I don't have a raid controller for my home PC

But like I said it's a ambiguous term that isn't well defined

Hopefully we can get some peer review happening on it later when everyone is in chat

Psycogeek

@50-3 i think it was ambiguously used on the web in places, now i am pretty sure everyone was saying more the same thing. and SLAGs comment is mostly correct.

50-3

@Psycogeek a lot of confusion has come from the Intel post and if he had have posted that answer on Superuser he probably would have been downvoted until he clarified what he was trying to say

Psycogeek

@50-3 well it is done now, you want the bounty get the video in there high, like 1st 1/3rd. youtube.com/… at time 50:44 And i will close it up.

And the answer means, i now have a raid chunk size for all 4 disks of 512K or 1/2meg on my 4Xraid0 storage cluster. 128k going to each disk.

I set the "system" drive and the 2 working chunks in a seperate array of the same disks, to a 64K, it might be a bit to big for that part.

The key being "how the programs themselves write" and how the Intel system handles it. I think with the write cache on and set to allow a delayed cache, could make a difference.

50-3

02:26

@Psycogeek Done added

Psycogeek

In my older systems having intels Own write cache enabled changed everything a LOT, in this system (with 4 disks) , the benchmark things dont seem to change as much based on thw write cache being enabled.

50-3

Also note if you had just commented on my post saying what you were looking for I would have put in the same effort :)

Psycogeek

@50-3 it works.

50-3

You seem surprised

Psycogeek

@50-3 now downvote the question.

50-3

02:30

Why?

Psycogeek

because they wont let me downvote it, and the info in it is somewhat wrong, so it needs to be suspect.

50-3

What information is wrong? also I've had an upvote on it since the 14th so can't really change it till it's edited

Psycogeek

@50-3 not surprised i just had to make sure the video landed right, i have been holding its link here for days.

@50-3 what slag said at the bottom of harrys post is probably correct.

the question does not demonstrate the 2 trains of thought, only 1 twice.

50-3

No it's actually wrong the Intel ICH range will only write when their is something to write so with a 96kb it will take up 64kb on one drive and 32kb on the other if however it was a 97kb file it would take up 128kb 64kb on each drive

does that make sense?

Psycogeek

@50-3 well isnt that another question. Multiple clusters can be tossed into the stripe, question is when does the raid controller bail out on anything comming in and just up and write the stripe without it being "filled" with the max clusters.

Another question. Files end at at a cluster, even if a file does not "fill" the cluster, this is known. do strips of the data end also without fill when the "File" ends.

Or can strips not only have multiple clusters, but also multiple files? It might be assumed that Clusters of any file (including more than one) could be tossed together into a strip.

50-3

02:44

No once you write 1 bit to it that segment cannot be written with other data that is unrelated

So when working with small text files we always use 4k stripe size

as to not waste data

Psycogeek

Which brings up . . . Blast it, If the strip is filled with clusters before write, would it ever be brought back up again, to finish the strip. And the answer to that is the intel raid controller is Putting clusters into an arrangement of Sectors on the disk. There is no actual "Block" like a SSD? the sector sizes that the raid controller is working with are always Less than=the stripe size.

50-3

I feel the hertz coming again

Psycogeek

The Strip is not a cluster.

and a less than 600byte file is totally stored in the MBR anyways :-) gads.

So lets take a 2K file. stuff it in a 4K cluster, and 1/2 the space is wasted.

50-3

Yes, but I'm not sure if it would waste a 8k Stripe if using 4k clusters

I feel the hertz building

I might need to step away and do some business work that all the cool kids are on about

Psycogeek

then take a bunch of 4k clusters, and NOT make up a stripe of them. Instead write them to a section of secters called a stripe. |-----| <--- the intel only has to put those clusters into the stripe size on the disk ----> |----| and put the next set into the sectors on that disk. It does not have to hold them and make up a big chunk first.

50-3

02:55

Yer this gone past me I've never been good a theoretical computing I know how to setup and configure but this level of theory is beyond me

HERTZ brain thing

Psycogeek

@50-3 well i dont know, but i could always make 2 more QUESTions :-)

50-3

@Psycogeek yer ask it - I can't answer it - If you don't get an answer here it might even qualify for server fault

Just give then a week in SU then if nothing comes out of it ask a mod to shift to SF

Psycogeek

@50-3 Ahh i know you can do it, just get past the brain frying part, and dream about all that crap you read already. why you will have a eureka moment .

50-3

Yer wake up at 2am like Oh wait I know the answer and then get slapped across the face by the GF for accidentally waking her; forget the answer and go back to sleep

Psycogeek

lol

50-3

03:08

So if I have a red mark on my face tomorrow then you will know I worked it out

Psycogeek

Just get 2 tickets to the science exploritorium, and take her there, while she is pushing all the buttons, you could go over to the virtual raid demonstration :-)

50-3

Yer we don't have those in aus -_-

Psycogeek

If the dang Strips will only hold Single files, then i am pretty much screwd with my present settings.

I know they can hold multiple clusters.

the question is can they hold multiple clusters of differeent file items. and nobody ever has mentioned Big space losses from oversized stripe size.

50-3

Not to my knowledge but what benefit would their be to having different cluster and stripe sizes?

Psycogeek

your just streaming clusters to areas of each disk in the team, the strip size just sets up the splitting size. (and it wont change the disks sector size)

the clusters are apples, even if they are parly eaten (file does not fill) . Each person get tossed 4 apples at a time 16 apples flowing out to 4 people.

Some of the apples could be yellow, some red and some green, yet still i specifically toss 4 to each person.

each person puts the apples on the table 0@0@ |@@OO and over there ----> @0@0| OO@@ -- and 0@0@ |@@OO and over there ----> @0@0| OO@@ . on read of a specific file, we just ask them All for Red apples (specific clusters)

@50-3 They said that there is little speed differance when properly matching cluster and stripe sizes?

Psycogeek

03:40

mentally after figuring out what a stripe size is, we be thinking that the controller has to hand us this 0@0@ back. but the controller actually reads in the smaller disk "sectors" so it would not have any problem with handing us back a few sectors @ one cluster, from that strip.

50-3

@Psycogeek 我的头很痛

HERTZ

Stop trying to break my brain it can't handle these freq

I need it to work

Psycogeek

Yup brain fry. I am going to go . . . defrag the raid :-)

Psycogeek

04:31

@50-3 if you get a chance you could finish this question superuser.com/questions/647341/… in a few minutes. Then i can remove my comment.

Bob

05:15

50-3

@Psycogeek worst answer I have ever submitted to Superuser but done

Bob

@50-3 eh, not that bad :P

0

A: Google is not open in any browser

Cant find answer y Google disabled my acct, have brand new. Phone that does not work now, paid for extended warranty too, very dissatisfied customer right now

> very dissatisfied customer right now

Psycogeek

@50-3 i got some pics for it. that show it going in the correct direction :-) Course they are my butt ugly dark scheme

Bob

Yes, because we give a shit about you being a happy customer. /s

50-3

@Bob instead it drives you past the highway you wanted to take :)

Bob

05:20

0

A: Should I use an antistatic wrist strap when changing the RAM on my laptop?

Touching glass can get rid of static charge that you've got stored in you

what is this i don't even

50-3

@bob very dissatisfied

I'm sorry but the comment just... just... Applause

@Psycogeek I'm happy to use the images - better then the crappy htg pics

Psycogeek

@50-3 ok now if you can fix my spelling (or roll it back if you so desire) superuser.com/questions/647341/…

@50-3 and make sure i didnt have any porn sounds in the mixer :-)

John Cavil

@ItsPete Welcome to Root Access chat for Super Users! Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.

50-3

05:37

@Psycogeek lol the screen shots remind me of high contrast mode

Psycogeek

@50-3 picture is in ya face huge too:-) I did not scale it. so i dont know how

@Bob I dont think sooo, glass is an insulator, unless it it has lots of impurities or has a grid on it, or special front. The answer qualifies as being wrong in most laptop situtations. Add in the real user name, and the malformed avitar. I might think this was a "put up your friend or enemies picture, to herass em" thing.

Bob

@Psycogeek We all know it's an insulator. That's what makes this answer so ridiculous :P

Hey, looks like @slhck took care of it.

Psycogeek

@Bob A person could have learned such things improperly from a touch screen device, which has inlaid metal conductors that are barely visable.

(overdoing the benifit of the doubt thing)

@Bob yup its POOF now.

slhck

@Bob Yeah… it doesn't even… whatever :P

Psycogeek

05:53

Place your bets , I am giving 5-1 odds on this not working :-)

0

A: headphones showing up as recording device instead of playback device

To start with, try Microsoft's audio fix-It tool

Journeyman Geek

06:36

@Bob the comments to that nearly made me choke ;p

flote

06:50

mornin

Psycogeek

@flote is that your doggie? What is it?

flote

07:11

@Psycogeek a mix. 50% chihuahua, 25 shetland sheep dog and 25 tibetan spaniel

Bob

@JourneymanGeek just got that almost-full bottle of Quink for $2 :P

Journeyman Geek

yay

flote

@Psycogeek some more pics :) plus.google.com/photos/103370430131599247826/albums/…

Psycogeek

@flote That is one hearty chitibetland, like biggest chiwawa i have seen . I dont know if i needed to see him getting down with Bear there :-) (wilfred referance)

flote

@Psycogeek haha, I know, it was borderline, but she looks like a kangaroo when she does it, so I still felt the need :p

Psycogeek

07:21

@flote wait she? oh well then it wasnt what . . . never mind. And what is her name?

flote

miso

Psycogeek

miso horney?

flote

@Psycogeek but yeah, she still punishes that seal. daily routine, or show

Journeyman Geek

...

thats horribad

flote

she gets especially rowdy when we have people over

drags that seal into the centre of conversation and gets busy

Psycogeek

07:25

My male dog would never do that when people are around. It so much better to do it to the people :-)

flote

yeah, normally she doesn't do that. but sometimes when she's in heat she does. One time when I was helping a friend running some cables along the walls I was lying on the floor and suddenly she starts humping my heel like crazy.

Psycogeek

Did you teach it any tricks? not discounting that sit , stay and lick the plate dont qualify.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek the pun? :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: amongst other things ;p

flote

@Psycogeek yeah, she's pretty smart and learns quickly. nothing too serious, but high five, finding treats, and if you ask her if she wants pizza she licks her mouth :)

brb, morning coffe break

Journeyman Geek

07:43

lol

50-3

@JourneymanGeek my fears have almost been achieved little over 200 rep away from being able to edit without approval -_-

Journeyman Geek

lol

@50-3: It isn't so bad ;p

50-3

Also as a fellow Lamy user did all the ink just leak onto your hand?

@JourneymanGeek I know I'm replying a day late but hey what ever :)

Journeyman Geek

@50-3: nope

its all on paper

50-3

Like correctly? like a pen is meant to?

Journeyman Geek

07:51

yup

its a lovely pen ;p

50-3

Wow I need to find out where you get yours, I mean I love my Lamy it's just leaky from time to time

Journeyman Geek

oh, its an al-star, and I think bob has a safari

Mine was ordered from an online place called Goulet Pens

I'm currently using noodler's heart of darkness with it

Bob

@JourneymanGeek yup

Mine was from a Australian-based Ebay store

it's $50 in brick and mortar stores here

was $20 on that store

I think $30 RRP worldwide except Australia

50-3

Yer I have a nice pen shop round the corner from where I live, using a Lamy al-star

Pretty new to fountain pens so probably just me miss using it -_-

flote

08:11

hey again

Journeyman Geek

hm, can't find the blue ink cart

so its HOD again ;p

flote

just installed ios 7

Journeyman Geek

@50-3: takes a while how to use one

I used a couple of vpens before I got a proper one

slhck

08:29

Shopping rec time! Recommend me a notebook for simple developing…

Journeyman Geek

still has one modded to take, well anything I can fill it with

slhck

I haven't used a non-Apple computer in ages, so I have no clue about what counts or what company makes nice ones

Journeyman Geek

@slhck: I'm a lenovo fanboy

what're you looking for tho? low cost? light weight?

slhck

Not really, no. It'll be sitting on the desk, docked to a monitor, most of the time. But once a week I need to carry it somewhere else.

Journeyman Geek

hmm

slhck

08:32

I don't care if it's butt ugly. Should be cheap. Performance-wise I definitely don't need graphics power or any of that sort.

Journeyman Geek

blog.superuser.com/2013/05/30/… is a good start

and odd as it may be, I'd suggest looking at dells

or a T series thinkpad

If I was actually carrying it around a lot, X series thinkpad

Bob

india

wat r u doin

> Indian police arrested a restaurant owner for drinking tea "in a suspicious manner".

slhck

Hm, the T series looks nice

> Bahahahaha. Don’t buy an HP. Seriously.

Bob

@50-3 I'm still mostly using some $3 Smiggle ones :P

Pressed too hard and damaged the tip a few times

@JourneymanGeek I've decided the Smiggle ones are effectively a refillable VPen

Journeyman Geek

lol

@Bob: I totally love my vpens.

Bob

08:37

@slhck Got an HP both times.

If nothing else, their warranty is decent :P

The machines work well enough, though the hardware is a little shoddy (of the ones I bought, anyway - they were cheapish for their specs)

currently on an HP laptop, actually

oh, and the keyboard is actually decent - some manufacturers (coughToshibacough) have keyboards that feel gummy out of the box...

slhck

Hmm. The T-series looks a little expensive to me?

Bob

I'm... rather soured towards Lenovo.

Journeyman Geek

@slhck: thinkpads tend to be a little, they're very well made machines tho

Bob

Being forced to use a s10e for a few years will do that.

Avoid Ideapads at all costs

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: the ideapads are a totally different kettle of fish

@slhck: also, with that price you get pretty good service

I had my hard drive swapped out cause it failed a smart test

slhck

08:40

Okay… hmm. I'll see.

Anything specific under $1k you could recommend or is that not worth looking for?

Journeyman Geek

If you want lower cost, dell's gotten somewhat better lately.

lol, most of those are under 1K

alas, I'm not currently in the market for a laptop so I'm out of touch

Bob

Honestly? I'd take an HP over a Dell.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: we have a mini 10 here thats been a reliable, unassuming thing.

Bob

Lenovo... heard good things about the Thinkpads, but they'd better be by a completely different department from ideapads.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: they are

Bob

08:42

If those two have anything to do with each other apart from the brand, no thanks

@JourneymanGeek I've seen lots of trouble with Dell laptops...

slhck

> ThinkPad T430 (from $680)

is what the blog mentions

Journeyman Geek

actually, they're splitting the company into two.

Bob

Spontaneous death. Charging failure (shoddy connector design).

Journeyman Geek

@slhck: thats under a thousand ;p

slhck

I can only find a Lenovo ThinkPad T430, Core i5-3230M, 4GB RAM, 500GB, Windows 8 Pro for > 1000€

Bob

08:43

@slhck Where the hell are you looking?

slhck

An Austrian price comparison site :P

A meta search thing, so they have different vendors already.

Bob

Got my m6-1117tx (HP) with an i7-3632qm, 8 GB RAM and a 750 GB HDD w/ Win8Core for $800... in a brick and mortar, too.

The screen is only 1366x768, though. my biggest regret.

slhck

Hm

Bob

It's usable but slightly annoying :P

still, it's a great laptop for virtualisation

@slhck you might want to take a look at the manufacturer's own sites

Dell is great for customisation, last I checked

abc.net.au/news/2013-09-19/…

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o.O

Psycogeek

I so love the windows default colors, like a fork in the eyeball.

Bob

08:45

@allquixotic ^ that's why mobile can never be my permanent connection

apart from the prices and speeds.

Psycogeek

@Bob what happened run out of cache? how could it get that bad ?

Bob

@Psycogeek They're reasonably smooth/soft now.

Far less jarring than the 9x era...

@Psycogeek Mobile connection.

Psycogeek

@Bob oooh so one is mobile and the other not?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: er, you HAVE seen @Psycogeek's colourschemes, right?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Uhm.

I may or may not have purged them from my mind.

Journeyman Geek

08:48

yeah, precisely

slhck

@Bob lol, I had better connection on mobile (LTE) than my DSL line here.

Bob

@Psycogeek No, it's the same connection. Just large spikes.

@slhck :(

All you guys and your fancy LTE and your cheap prices...

Psycogeek

@Bob that looks like something goes all wrong, out of the blue.

Bob

@Psycogeek I dunno. Passing clouds? Secret NSA spy plane? Alien invasion?

Journeyman Geek

lol

I'm still on slightly unreliable 3g

Bob

08:50

Perhaps someone is testing an earthquake generator?

@JourneymanGeek That's exactly what I'm on here :P

Psycogeek

one could expect say 120-240 , but thats like half the day gone for a single packet.

Bob

My home is a nice insulation against 3G radio.

Outside? 5/5 bars. Inside? 2/5 bars.

slhck

In my old flat I didn't even get mobile reception at all.

Bob

o.O

slhck

Next to the ground floor in a narrow street

Bob

08:52

@slhck couldn't you complain to the carriers?

I think they usually do something about a place with no coverage in urban areas.

slhck

@Bob No, not really. We have a lot of old buildings here in the city, sometimes with really thick walls

Psycogeek

they probably would be happy if you let them put the next tower in your backyard.

Bob

I am heavily tempted to link this video when people don't provide any more information than "it's broken" or "it's corrupted" or "it doesn't work", etc.

►

50-3

@slhck dell and Lenovo make great workhorse laptops hp make great space heaters, haven't spent much time with anything outside of these

Bob

@JourneymanGeek and here I was thinking it was a coincidence that there was another question with the same title :P

@50-3 My HP is actually quite cool.

slhck

08:56

Well I think I've decided for a Lenovo if that's what you all recommend

Bob

Especially compared to a Vostro laptop I have lying around.

That thing could melt plastic o.O

slhck

Eh. The T430 starts at €930 here

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: same username. Less information on the second question?

50-3

@Bob I have a patch of missing paint from my laptop over heating does Sydney not get as hot as Melbourne or something

slhck

JUST ONE BEEP. AND IT IS i3 PROCESSOR — savio 9 mins ago

I pimped @JourneymanGeek's comment

Journeyman Geek

09:04

@slhck: Yeah, I shouldn't have assumed he would know how to find the edit button ;p

slhck

:P

Psycogeek

@Bob the IT crowd, good sitcom

50-3

Does anyone know How to get their inbox back on screen after it's closed - outlook 2010 os x?

vedantchandra

09:45

@50-3 Reopen the application? Could you rephrase your question?

50-3

10:32

@vedantchandra no surprise I tried that. Outlook open I can command+N and send emails but couldn't work out How to get the mailbox up -_-

So outlook was open I could send email open to do error logs ect... but had no idea How to re open the inbox window

Bob

@50-3 Oooh, you're in Melbourne? :D

Though, never seen a laptop overheating affecting the paint :S

Over the last 30 years, Sydney has averaged about 3 degrees hotter (both min and max)

probably doesn't make much difference

the peaks at 45 degrees were painful, though

CBenni

11:01

Why isnt the LastAccessTime of a file updated when it is opened in any program, and not saved?

what does that value mean then?

Bob

o.O

I thought it was?

CBenni

it isnt for me...

I dont know WHAT I would be doing wrong

Bob

> The NTFS file system delays updates to the last access time for a file by up to 1 hour after the last access.

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…

CBenni

aah

that >_<

Bob

> Not all file systems can record creation and last access times, and not all file systems record them in the same manner. For example, the resolution of create time on FAT is 10 milliseconds, while write time has a resolution of 2 seconds and access time has a resolution of 1 day, so it is really the access date.

CBenni

11:05

ok thanks I didnt find that page

Bob

lol

for future ference, that was the first result for "windows accessed time"

CBenni

...

I searched for "last acess time"

Bob

sometimes, you can get better results by narrowing down to msdn and/or technet (e.g. with site:msdn.microsoft.com, or just msdn as a keyword)

CBenni

I am bad at things ;)

Bob

you could even search on those sites directly, but I prefer Google.

CBenni

11:06

or just use the msdn page

well yeah. But thank you...

I dont know what to do about that now, 1 day is a looong time

Bob

@CBenni that's only for FAT

if you're on NTFS, it's supposedly up to an hour

CBenni

an hour is too long too.. I guess I will have to do everything differently

Bob

hm? what are you doing?

perhaps there's an alternate method

CBenni

Of course there is an alternative method, but checking the file time would have been the most convenient

basically, I want to check if the user has opened a file, or if he has not, open it for him

I can just open it regardless and then set a registry flag

it will open the file even if the user has already opened the file before using the program, but whatever

Bob

you'll probably have better luck checking if the program is already open

or you could even scan open handles, but that's a little overkill

CBenni

11:11

I could even touch the file to have a way higher acess time or sth

nah the file could have been closed already

Bob

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Q: Getting the file handles of given process

I need a way for getting all of the file handles of a given process. for example, given a the winword.exe process handle, i would like to get the list of the file handles of that process (doc files etc). i'm using the Win32 api via C#/pInvoke. Thanks!

c# winapi

You can check if it has an open handle to the file.

CBenni

yeah

Bob

(You could even check for every process, effectively telling you if something on the machine has an open handle)

this depends on how the program works, though

CBenni

but what if the program that acessed the file was closed

but like 5 minutes ago

Bob

it's fairly typical for programs to keep a handle open until they close

but some might open the file, read it, close it, and open again when it's time to save. i.e. they might not hold hte handle open

really case by case

CBenni

11:13

so basically, there is neither a handle nor the acess time changed

Bob

@CBenni then the handle would be closed

CBenni

there is technically no way to check if the fiel has been acessed

Bob

and you'd just open the file

CBenni

so I wont bother

Bob

really, in this kind of case, I'd just keep my own program state for 'already opened'

and if the user opens the file separately in another program, that's their problem/choice

had to deal with something similar recently. basically, used a mutex to make sure my program only had one running copy, and it kept track of which files it opened (Word docs)

50-3

11:15

@Bob jumping in and out a lot tonight, Yer Melbourne boy

Bob

if someone opened the files separately? their problem.

50-3

Also when doing Google searches their are some great operators

googleguide.com/advanced_operators_reference.html

Bob

@50-3 I get by fine without them :P

except for site:

that one gets a lot of use

50-3

What How do you go shopping?

laptop $1500..$1700

Bob

@50-3 what

50-3

11:25

@Bob i.imgur.com/4xLUmS0.jpg

Number ranges can be declared

Bob

@50-3 staticice

50-3

Yer I suck at taking photos but Yer the paint started Waring out Jan last year

Bob

11:48

@JourneymanGeek swapped to quink

about same blackness as food dye

dissolves slower in water o.O

it requires mixing ot dissolve

same as food dye - no feathering, seeping

the quink is perfect

washes off to a kind of faded blue

(while the FD washes off pretty much completely)

next test: cheap exercise book

very smooth; no seepage or feathering

yup, perfect

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