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Psycogeek

00:08

@Boris_yo doesnt chrome default to hardware accelerated type rendering? no setting in similarity in firefox?

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek "Use hardware acceleration when possible" is checked.

Paul

03:02

@Boris_yo I gave up recently with firefox video performance. And as I understand it, having hardware acceleration enabled causes more performance issues than not having it enabled. Bizarrely.

So now I use Chrome

Journeyman Geek

06:07

Bob

07:14

@Paul depends on your graphics drivers

with the most recent nvidia ones, it works very well

ditto for Intel HD Graphics

(also, I absolutely detest Chrome's rendering of text. looks like crap.)

hm. they've improved it recently.

Journeyman Geek

this is just too perfect ;p

@Bob: never had issues with either

that said, I'm pretty good with driver updates

Bob

> A few headlines, rather than going with one estimate or the other, announced that the facility could hold "between an exabyte and a yottabyte" of data[17] ... which is a little like saying "eyewitnesses report that the snake was between 1 millimeter and 1 kilometer long."

lol

Journeyman Geek

lol

Psycogeek

09:42

well i chose the Catalyst (AMD video card drivers) version 13.4 Whql , I trace the install carefully, then have to install and update endlessly .NET framework 4.0. Perfection , i run it set a few things, refresh the browser and 13.9 just went Whql.

Journeyman Geek

10:15

0

Q: Is Windows 7 lite good to use?

I recently discovered RT Se7en lite windows installation changer which can help reduce the size of windows installation disk and space used by windows after installation. Considering I only need the back bone of windows to run Applications like After Effects CS6, Photoshop, Lightwave, and 3DS max...

I actually can't seem to work out what the question is here.

Boris_yo

Why they spell seven as Se7en? You know there's horror movie Se7en with Brad Pitt about maniac who kills people on basis of 7 sins?

@Bob Yottabyte I guess is in future? Petabyte is the next big thing currently.

Oliver Salzburg

10:37

I love how someone who uses Ubuntu has a Windows ultimate just lying around

...and after effects, Photoshop, lightwave and 3ds max

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Are you anti-Microsoft?

slhck

> I'm quite the noob when it comes to computers (and I'm 19!), but anyways.

Journeyman Geek

10:52

@slhck: He wouldn't be a noob if he tried it out ;p

Psycogeek

@sammy They do , and have had some methods in place for comparing simple (what they call it) hashes of the files you download. Jdownloader will do a CRC with some rare file servers. E-mule always had some checking method. doesnt torrent have any other method other than the user chcking the original files MD5?

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek @Sammy there's a built in verification method for partial torrents - its usually called force recheck.

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek I know what he is saying, and wanting. and no you cant mess with these 64bit assemblies of windows WAIK type shredding of the os, in 32bit versions of them. What any of it has to do with ubtanio i have no idea. The data is thick for doing the task, the requirement for even more shit all over the computer to make the lite package is crasy. We used to be able to do that with a floppy 3k of script on it. I just want a frilling DELETE program, with a list of things to remove.

Instead it is like putting a SDK on, (another big mess) and going to war with a system that was actually designed Packaged.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: I mean, quite quite literally, I'm not sure what he's asking

"How much space do I save?" and "Do you have any advice?"

Psycogeek

11:07

@JourneymanGeek he wants the Base OS, and not all the junk, and he wants it to be removed entirely. just like server core ?

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: Well, not the same as server core.

With tools like nlite and rt7light you have two options

You can play it safe, and hardly save any space

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek the program(s) have thier forums, and the forum info is Terrible, but it would still be the place to ask.

Boris_yo

Journeyman Geek

or go aggressive and strip out all the stuff you don't need, and break things

(actually, there's a level even crazier than that, but meh, anyone who pe compresses specific files to save space is an artist, or is gonna break things, badly.)

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek When this stuff was done by huge groups, of higher level experts, who would communicate, it was very easy to figure out , know the ramifications, and get it done. now There are many more interdependencies that come back to haunt, without all the layers of well laid out testing info, it will be windows paranormal.

Journeyman Geek

11:14

@Psycogeek: In short, if you don't have any idea what you're doing, and arn't doing it with the intention of seeing if stuff breaks, don't do it ;p

have some flags superuser.com/a/648385/10165

Psycogeek

On the other hand there is a certian quantity of trash left in the system, that can be removed, without fear of reprisal. Then turn around and the stupid system has that stuff in the "must have" list. Mabey not real examples: Remove a wallpaper and System file checker says that an important file is missing LOLOL

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: the space the wallpaper takes up is inconcequencial tho

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek there is hidden stuff. If the ammount of stuff is inconsequestial, how come my system is about 1/2 the size of people whining about running out of SSD space?

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: they obviously didn't read the system specs, and plan ahead

Psycogeek

it isnt any different than all the people who hate bloatware put on a phone, the phone "still works" :-)

In an attempt to stop viruses and mal ware from destroying the system, microsoft sort of ROMed a load of piggy trash in there that has use for only some people.

And once again, the user has no easy control of the stuff, while some Virus creator with apparently no life , has all the time in the world to figure out how to destroy it still.

Oliver Salzburg

11:25

@Boris_yo Why would you think that?

Psycogeek

MS has been herassed sued even, about this before, with IE "the browser to download a browser with" The solution remove the IE icon. Problem solved :-)

Ms tries to say, well the Web running browser was totally tied into the whole system. OK and that didnt bother anybody? that it could be a mostly seperated entity that could be like any other web thing , instead they have directally intermingled the world wide web into your OS. Nope nothing wrong with that logic, lets Keep it.

John Cavil

11:53

@PritamBaral Welcome to Root Access chat for Super Users! Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.

Psycogeek

0

Q: How to conduct a rolling data corruption test of a network connection?

I had problems installing some software packages on a Windows XP computer. I started troubleshooting the problem and at the end I decided to do a cryptographic test, and bingo! I had found the reason why the installation was failing. Parts of the installer files were corrupted. The installer fil...

windows networking corruption cryptography

Bob

@JourneymanGeek moving back to pure food dye (or maybe actual FP ink)

printer ink feathers too much

Psycogeek

On this corrupted question, ^ isnt there already a system where the packets themselves are checked when transporting this stuff across the world (or even 6 feet)? I have very good luck with data through the web.

Bob

@Psycogeek Yes, at multiple levels.

TCP itself has a checksum, which can catch a lot of errors.

The link layer also often has some form of error checking (usually CRC), e.g. Ethernet and PPP.

Psycogeek

@Bob On error they just drop that one and re-request ? so mabey his dropped packet level would be a good indicator of the quality ?

Bob

12:05

@Psycogeek That's what TCP will do, yes.

Actually, probably what they all do.

Pritam Baral

But what if corruption was introduced above the TCP level? e.g., rogue server, filsesystem corruption etc.

Bob

@PritamBaral Then it won't be detected at the TCP level, simple as that.

Pritam Baral

Well, of course it won't be. I was pointing out that to be perfectly safe we can't rely on TCP's robustness alone.

Journeyman Geek

all tcp has to care about is all the data it was given reaches the place it needs to.

(well, and the order IIRC)

Bob

Well, if you were testing for the integrity of your network connection, then that's below the application level anyway.

@JourneymanGeek Reaches the place intact

Journeyman Geek

12:07

"all the data" -> intactness is implicit ;p

Bob

true :P

@JourneymanGeek found another potential FP user at my uni :P

Psycogeek

@Bob So before using the better error checking method, he may have already had 4000 packets dropped, and just wasnt looking at that item? Then he does a test of what finnaly made it , and simple Error checking isnt enough, when 1/2 the signal was corrupted (but dropped).

Bob

noticeboard selling used stationery, someone has Quink for sale

so.. that makes two of us

Journeyman Geek

lol

Boris_yo

@Bob You too have sluggishness and lag when playing YouTube videos on Firefox?

Bob

12:10

@Boris_yo Nope.

Not at all.

Oh! Disable the protected mode of the Flash player.

It's not the browser lagging, it's the bloody plugin.

Boris_yo

@Bob So far I only disabled Hardware Acceleration but it didn't help at all.

Bob

@Boris_yo No. Turn hardware accel back on.

@Boris_yo kb.mozillazine.org/…

Boris_yo

@Bob I heard one needs to restart browser for changes to take effect but when I disabled Hardware Acceleration, I didn't see any dialog box to restart Firefox.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo need to define which hardware acceleration here. Flash has its own setting for it.

Bob

@Boris_yo Just enable hardware acceleration again, and disable Flash's protected mode as per that wiki article.

@Psycogeek That's not the issue, though. The hardware accel has no issues most of the time.

It's the bloody protected mode.

Went through a week of crashes and stuttering before finding that out.

I've actually answered a question on this before.

3

A: Why would Adobe Flash be causing Firefox to hang?

Adobe Flash 11.3 isn't all that stable... There's some workarounds listed on the linked Mozilla Support page. Personally, I would make sure Flash is up to date first, and possibly uninstall it (through Windows Programs and Features) and reinstall it (http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/). The next...

Boris_yo

12:14

@Bob I don't understand why Protected Mode was implemented in first place.

Bob

@Boris_yo Ostensibly security. But Adobe buggered that up.

Psycogeek

@Bob wow so that method would be a change to flash itself. It would change it for any browser using that same plug-in. I actually dont have any slowdown or stutter with flash, but it is good to know.

Bob

@Psycogeek Right.

Boris_yo

@Bob And since you have disabled Protected Mode, were your browser exploited by hackers or malicious programs ever since?

Bob

@Boris_yo Not that I know of. But I use click-to-play with my plugins anyway.

So plugins only run when I le tthem.

Boris_yo

12:17

@Bob Click To Play on containers that only contain flash content?

Bob

@Boris_yo A recent FF version introduced plugin-specific click-to-play, yes.

tapped-out

anyone want a free spam flag? :P

superuser.com/review/first-posts/151290

Boris_yo

@Bob That means in my Firefox v24 there's an option to control click-to-play?

Bob

@tapped-out Yup. Actually, that might be more of NAA because it didn't even include a promotional link or name or anything :P

@JourneymanGeek Definitely drunk. Can't even spam properly!

@Boris_yo There has been going back many versions.

tapped-out

poof

Bob

12:20

But one of the 2x versions introduced a GUI control and plugin-specific CtP

previously, CtP was either enabled or disabled for all plugins at once (via an about:config option)

Now? Go to about:addons and click plugins on the left

Change Always Activate to Ask to Activate

1 hour ago, by Journeyman Geek

have some flags http://superuser.com/a/648385/10165

@JourneymanGeek is way ahead of you :P

tapped-out

grr, you denizens of the Eastern Hemisphere :P just woke up

Boris_yo

Here's what I found in extensions and I have no idea what these do:

Bob

@Boris_yo google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=nvidia%203d%20vision%20plugin

nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-web.html

> YouTube 3D
For the first time, NVIDIA has brought high-quality, stereoscopic 3D Vision viewing capabilities to YouTube. This means that you can now view thousands of 3D videos already on YouTube's 3D channel today (www.YouTube.com/3D) in full color and high definition using an NVIDIA 3D Vision PC or notebook with the Firefox browser version 4.0, or later. NVIDIA works closely with both YouTube and Mozilla to make this experience seamless.

Boris_yo

@Bob Regarding selective ctp I have only "Always Activate" and "Never Activate". I don't have "Ask To Activate".

Bob

@Boris_yo which FF version?

Boris_yo

12:27

8 mins ago, by Boris_yo

@Bob That means in my Firefox v24 there's an option to control click-to-play?

Bob

Ah, missed that.

Hm.

Oh, you still have to enable it in the advanced config first

go to about:config and set plugins.click_to_play to true

Psycogeek

@Bob and there wouldnt be any slowdown issues :-) trying to convert to or even show actual 3d :-)

Boris_yo

There's one plugin that has "Ask To Activate" and it is one that is vulnerable and should be used with caution.

Bob

@Psycogeek well, it's not converting

it's actually being streamed by YT

Boris_yo

@Bob That of course assumes me having 3D glasses?

@Bob Can't AdBlock control this? I know it can with banners.

Bob

12:30

@Boris_yo What?

There are other ways to block Flash objects, but why use another addon when you can use something simple that's built into the browser already??

there's an infinite number of ways to do most things

and an almost-infinite amount of them are not the best way

Boris_yo

@Bob Because that simple thing does not block YouTube ads like AdBlock does.

Bob

YouTube ads have nothing to do with the Flash plugin running.

I don't even know what you're on about now.

Pritam Baral

@Bob YouTube ads only run on flash, isn't it?

Bob

@PritamBaral As part of the video player. But that is only a side effect of the player running on Flash.

CtP affects the plugin.

Blocking only ads is completely different from blocking the plugin.

Pritam Baral

@Bob YouTube never plays ads in the HTML5 player (on desktop)

Boris_yo

12:35

@Bob I need to choose which flash content to play and on YouTube I need to watch videos but also block YouTube ads.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I still want to know what a youtube AD is :-) I cant believe my blocker somehow is able to stop such streaming.

Bob

@Boris_yo They all run in the same flash player

they jsut load streams from different sources (and adblockplus blocks some of those sources with its default lists)

plugin CtP is a security and anti-annoyance thing

it blocks entire plugins COMPLETELY

it does not provide any fine control over ads because

Boris_yo

@Bob That's why I need to use AdBlock and CtP.

Bob

1. the ads are the EXACT SAME object from a plugin standpoint

and 2. even if they were different objects, the goal of CtP is to block plugins, not specific plugin objects

@Boris_yo I never said you shouldn't.

Boris_yo

7 mins ago, by Bob

There are other ways to block Flash objects, but why use another addon when you can use something simple that's built into the browser already??

Bob

12:38

8 mins ago, by Boris_yo

@Bob Can't AdBlock control this? I know it can with banners.

I am talking about blocking the flash plugin

NO, ABP cannot "control this"

Boris_yo

@Bob And I assumed AdBlock can block flash plugin.

Bob

simple as that

@Boris_yo Not in this way.

You don't get a "click to activate" thing, which is the whole godamn point

the other plugins I refer to are things like FlashBlock, which do effectively what CtP already does

Boris_yo

He who blocks ads, does not support publishers who work hard to produce material.

Bob

ABP and CtP have different goals*

@Boris_yo That's your choice.

I'm not getting into a discussion on adblocking.

Boris_yo

@Bob With flash content I don't, but with banners I do.

Bob

12:41

I'm talking about disabling all plugins (until explicitly allowed), which is great for security, performance, and my sanity.

Psycogeek

@Bob honestly that is the only safe way to browse now.

Bob

Text ads? Fine. Flashing gif ads? go away. Flash ads with sound and flashign crap and resizing and lag? fuck off.

@Psycogeek Pretty much. Especially if you have Java installed.

That thing is a walking security hole.

Enabling the Java plugin on all websites and running applets automatically is effectively saying "hey, please install malware on my machine. thanks"

Flash too, to a lesser extent. And other plugins.

Psycogeek

@Bob They freaking programs, most people do not understand that. Full sandboxing might work (never tried it) but if your fully sandboxed you cant get to the web, and cant cache anything , so even sandboxes have limitations :-)

(meaning the sandbox is still on the same system)

Bob

@Psycogeek Actually, it should be possible to sandbox safely.

Problem is the security holes uncovered.

The holes are bugs, not features.

Boris_yo

@Bob Tried to modify mms.cfg for protected mode but cannot save file because access is denied. Tried to unlock handles from file but no programs were found to be using file. Does that mean I have to shut down Firefox to save file?

Bob

12:53

@Boris_yo No. Access is denied because that is a system file.

Follow the instructions.

Seriously. The instructions are right there.

kb.mozillazine.org/…

Read that whole paragraph underneath the locations of the mms files.

And get into the habit of reading everything rather than running off half-cocked.

Boris_yo

@Bob How come system did not allow me to save changes but did allow me renaming file that is being used?

Bob

@Boris_yo Because you weren't running your editor as admin.

Boris_yo

@Bob I used regedit to add "Open With Notepad" contextual menu item for easier and faster file editing on Windows 7. However it seems that I need to somehow add parameter that would enable me to use it as Admin.

@Bob I usually feel too smart and run through instructions fast...

Bob

@Boris_yo Ya, I do that too often too.

But a lot of the time, if you want to ask a question, the answer is right there in the rest of the instructions

Boris_yo

I guess these yellow bars are YouTube advertisements?

Bob

13:04

ya

Boris_yo

Now I wonder if I used AdBlock, would I still see these?

Gowtham

no you will not

Boris_yo

@Gowtham YouTube has now became like alternative television... Dang I would like to see latest YouTube yearly data stats preferrably backdating 5 years earlier and see how much things have changed...

@Bob I now remember why I switched to Chrome from Firefox - Protected Mode. But hopefully I am back to where I were now.

Gowtham

@Boris_yo youtube.com/feather_beta + Adblock FTW

Boris_yo

@Gowtham Once I join Feather can I revert back if something goes wrong?

Gowtham

13:54

@Boris_yo yes you can

Sammy

@Gowtham How do I find back to the join/leave Feather beta page? Is there a link to it on Youtube?

Gowtham

@Sammy Go to the same link I posted

aww yeah thenextweb.com/apps/2013/09/20/…

Boris_yo

@Gowtham That's your favorite:

►

Sammy

@Gowtham So I will have to bookmark it then, eh? :) How did you find this link? Is this like an invite link that's not public yet?

Gowtham

@Sammy youtube.com/testtube

Blog - Stack Exchange: Five years ago, Stack Overflow launched. Then, a miracle occurred.

Jay Hanlon on September 16, 2013

Stack Overflow officially launched on September 15, 2008. In five short years, you’ve answered over 5 million questions on more than 100 sites, and helped hundreds of millions of people find the answers they needed. Today, we want to celebrate how, together, we changed one small corner of the Internet for the better.

We want to hear your stories about how someone on Stack Exchange helped you.

Before it went into beta, stackoverflow.com had a comic on the landing page that came to symbolize what we were setting out to do: …

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Boris_yo

14:10

@Sammy Type "Youtube feather" in Google.

Gowtham

> It turns out that people will do anything for fake internet points.

Sammy

@Gowtham The idea incubator! :) Thanks!

@Boris_yo Try googling Google! I got over 6 billion results! :)

Boris_yo

@Gowtham Not me it seems unless there was a way to materialize those. I don't have enough good answers.

@Sammy What am I supposed to find with this?

Am I the only one who now prefers and defaults to 720p videos over 480p?

Sammy

@Boris_yo Exactly! Let me google that for you!

My point is that we are relying too much on Google.

I mean if you know the URL to a website, why not just post it? Why bother googling?

Boris_yo

@Sammy Are you accusing me of something here?

Oliver Salzburg

14:19

@Boris_yo Yes, you're the only person that prefers higher resolution video over lower resolution video

Gowtham

!! tell sammy google google

John Cavil

@sammy google.com ; google.com/analytics ; maps.google.com

Sammy

@Boris_yo Not really, I just don't like "google it" comments! :)

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo YouTube is like alternative television, but even Dummer :-)

Sammy

We are the "googling" generation. Google is like The Matrix. I wonder what would happen if someone pulled the plug on Google...

@Psycogeek Having Adblock on your TV channels, that would be something.

Gowtham

14:25

this looks interesting forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191223 cc @JourneymanGeek

Psycogeek

@Sammy got it. ATi put out cards that would slipstream skip tv Tevo in the computer. pause and go do something, play and skip over the commertials. Beyond tv (another media center type package) will even re-code and sqrunch out the commertials, although i never tired it.

Boris_yo

My first PC:

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Is a floopy drive faster than a SSD?

I gotta get me one of them.

Boris_yo

@Gowtham Dafuq? With YouTube Feather activated, I no longer see comments on page.

Gowtham

yeah ... that's a drawback :P :P

Boris_yo

14:30

@Psycogeek Where do you see it being faster?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo no comments on youtube? its a freaking miracle.

Boris_yo

@Gowtham Con? You mean fraud?

@Psycogeek No, comments are invisible.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo right, think how much better that makes them :-)

@Boris_yo urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=floopy Floopy, see all the definitions point to floopy being a very fast action.

Ok so mabey being all floopy from to much marajuana doesnt make you faster, but it makes everything around you seem faster.

Journeyman Geek

@Gowtham hmm. Not totally convinced - I actually actively try to remove any filters and bass boosty things in my audio stream ;p

Gowtham

@JourneymanGeek Well that's because you have a good headphone :P :P

Sammy

14:35

I'm testing Feather beta now. It seems to be a bit more responsive, a bit faster buffering. I don't mind not having the stupid comments. In 90% of the time people are only trashing each other in the comments anyway.

Gowtham

@Sammy I'm in love with it

Been using it for months now

ooh youtube.com/watch?v=tcjOZW7Vxbg

Journeyman Geek

@Gowtham: probably. But with shitty headphones I can't tell the difference ;p

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek There are many definitions and none I have found to be defining floppy as something fast...

Gowtham

@JourneymanGeek going to get that magentic pen ?

Journeyman Geek

magnetic pen?

Gowtham

14:40

kickstarter.com/projects/1171695627/…

Sammy

@WOW! That's so cool! :) As someone who collects pens, I'm totally blown away!! :) I want one of those!!!

Gowtham

The pen is 35$ @_@

Boris_yo

@Sammy But sometimes real facts and conspiracies are revealed in comments. It's not about only trashing but opening eyes.

Overflowh

Good evening guys

Boris_yo

Do they patent these pens before mass producing?

@Overflowh Yea!

Journeyman Geek

14:44

@Gowtham: oh, no

Sammy

@Boris_yo You are absolutely right about that. Well, it's unfortunate that any idiot can click on the Post comment button. It's unfortunate that Youtube is flooded by trash, hate, and spam comments.

Journeyman Geek

@Gowtham: for regular pens, I'm perfectly happy with my g2s

Sammy

@Gowtham Pilot G-2?

Journeyman Geek

@Sammy: I think he means the amgnet pens

pilots are pretty cheap

@Sammy: I got @Bob hooked on fountain pens ;p

Gowtham

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Sammy

14:52

@JourneymanGeek You said "I'm perfectly happy with my g2s".

Gowtham

cooool ^^

Sammy

I never liked the Pilot G-2. There are better pens for the same price. In this range I prefer Pentel pens.

Boris_yo

@Sammy And if there's promotion going on about product that has flaws that most people not aware of, someone who is aware can step forward and warn sheeple about it. Something that is not possible on brainwashing television.

Journeyman Geek

@Sammy: I mean, for my lack of interest in the magnet pens

Boris_yo

@Gowtham A Botnet employed only for statistics aquisition? Why?

Journeyman Geek

14:56

my daily driver pen at the moment is a lamy al-star, using noodler's heart of darkness

Sammy

@Boris_yo I'm totally with you on that. But there are just so many negative comments going on Youtube that I loose interest in reading comments at all. Perhaps they should introduce age limit and a "Youtube driving license"? :)

Boris_yo

@Sammy Well, we will see that hopefully in next 50 years we will witness YouTube AI that will understand comments to filter junk out.

Overflowh

Hey guys, I need an advice.. if someone has the time for that.. Since my hard disk is going to die (for whom who already know what happened to me: I formatted, and now Windows 7 is much more slower than a brand new installation. It glitches (?) also in opening a simple folder), and in this moment I cannot buy a new hard disk for my laptop, which is the better way I could follow?
- Install windows 7 on a 32GB pen drive (if it's possible) and use it at the minimal, without installing much things.

Sammy

@Overflowh Is this a laptop computer?

Overflowh

@Sammy Yes, it is.

Sammy

15:07

@Overflowh Do you have Windows 7 installed on it right now?

Overflowh

@Sammy Yes, I'm writing from it right now.

Sammy

@Overflowh How do you know the hard disk is going to die? What symptoms do you have?

Overflowh

@Sammy SMART reports saying: "Read error" (both short and long). And the fact that I installed it yesterday, brand new formatting, the only thing installed are wifi drivers and firefox, and to open the Start menu it takes about 3/4 seconds.. And this "delay" is also in writing, opening folders, moving the cursor..

Gowtham

@Boris_yo DATA !

Sammy

@Overflowh So you have performed a clean install of Windows 7 and you are still having the same symptoms?

Overflowh

15:16

@Sammy Yes. I installed Windows 7 because one day it refused to start.

Sammy

@Overflowh You say it refused to start. What error messages were you getting? Were you able to boot to Windows welcome screen?

@Overflowh What software tool are you using to read the SMART report?

Overflowh

@Sammy No, it reached the black screen with the windows logo just before the welcome screen. Without errors, just remaining there for hours..

@Sammy smartctl, from Linux Mint 15's terminal.

Sammy

@Overflowh OK. Are you able to boot from USB?

Overflowh

@Sammy Yes I am. I have Linux Mint on my USB key.

I have the report of the System restor tool of windows, if you want. Just the last lines, who report the error.

Sammy

@Overflowh You mention installing Windows 7 on a 32 GB pen drive. I would not recommend this. Even if it works, Windows 7 works best if it's installed on a HDD or SSD. I would rather have the personal files on the pen drive, and install Windows 7 on the hard drive.

@Overflowh Before you do anything you should make sure you have a Windows 7 media ready. Also, you should at all times have a working backup of your most important files.

Overflowh

15:26

@Sammy But this will not solve the problems of glitching and slowness (?), right?

@Sammy Windows 7 media ready? What is? I have a backup of all my data, there's no problem about this.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek they cost more than my Smiggle FPs :P

My main non-FP is a Bic Atlantis. Hm... I still find it easier to use, actually.

That reminds me - it's time for an ink flush and replace with plan FD

Sammy

@Overflowh I recommend replacing the failing hard drive. Two programs come to mind. You can run HDAT2 and DBAN to try to revitalize the current dirve. You can perform a low level format by using DBAN. But in the long run you should replace it anyway.

Overflowh

@Sammy Yeah, I will replace it as soon as I can afford a new one.

@Sammy Are those tools working from windows? No, right? I need to install them on a pendrive?

Sammy

@Overflowh By Windows 7 media I mean the Windows 7 DVD or the System Recovery DVD provided to you by the system OEM.

@Overflowh No, they are both bootable.

Overflowh

@Sammy Oh yeah, I have. Not the OEM, but it's the official version of Windows 7 Ultimate edition 64bit. I take it from a post on the main site of superuser.com

Sammy

15:33

@Overflowh Are you saying you have the Windows 7 Ultimate DVD disc?

Overflowh

@Sammy Umh.. yes..

Sammy

@Overflowh If you are burning your own DVD from Windows 7 ISO files, then I recommend you only use the official Microsoft ISO files. Don't use any cracked versions as they can be loaded with viruses, rootkits, and what not.

You can download HDAT2 here and DBAN here.

Overflowh

@Sammy Of course, it's what I was trying to say. I grab an official copy of the ISO file, X***** somethingIdon'tremember, from the Microsoft servers

Gowtham

blah, pretty much everyone in my class is playing GTA V :/

Sammy

@Overflowh OK. Then you should be safe.

@Overflowh I had problems getting DBAN onto a USB pen drive last time and getting it to boot. But you can find it in the System Rescue CD as well. This works every time.

Overflowh

15:42

@Sammy Are you saying that that DBAN is built in windows cd?

Sammy

@Overflowh No, it's not a Microsoft program. DBAN stands for Darik's Boot And Nuke. It is "a free erasure software designed for consumer use."

Overflowh

@Sammy Ok, I found what is System Rescue CD, sorry.

Bob

> "Basically, it was a Y2K problem, where some software didn't roll over the calendar date correctly," said A'Hearn. The spacecraft's fault-protection software (ironically enough) would have misread any date after August 11, 2013, he said, triggering an endless series of computer reboots aboard Deep Impact.

NASA. I am disappoint.

news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/09/…

@Gowtham and you're surprised why? :P

Sammy

@Overflowh You have basically 2 ways to get DBAN. You can either get it from the official DBAN website. Or you can get it as part of the System Rescue CD.

@Overflowh For HDAT2 I think you can only get it from the official website. It's not available in System Rescue CD.

Overflowh

@Sammy Understood. I will try as soon as possible either with DBAN and HDAT2. Thank you very much for the suggestions. :)

Boris_yo

15:50

Sammy

@Overflowh Again, remember that both of these are destructive programs. So make sure to have everything backed up first, before you run any one of them.

@Overflowh I would recommend running HDAT2 first. You can use it to read SMART data and fix bad sectors, etc.

Ashlie

panic here !

i'm assembing a new pc.After a 10 second or so after booting ,the system power downs what so ever.no error messages.what may be the possible causes ?

Sammy

@Overflowh As a last resort you can try DBAN. It's really up to you which one you want to use first, and how fast you want this fixed. Running DBAN will do a low level format of the hard drive and this can take some time to complete depending on the size of the disk. The hard drive is then like new, e.g. you have to initialize it in Windows Disk Manager.

Psycogeek

@Ashlie that better than not posting, which is about as far as i get on a new build :-)

Sammy

@Overflowh When you start Windows 7 installation after DBAN, Windows will automatically initialize the disk, set active flag, write MBR, make it bootable, and install on it. So you don't have to worry about "initilizing" it.

Ashlie

15:55

hai @Psycogeek

hope u r fine

remember the old system i told u about ?

the one which i was testing the APU

Psycogeek

@Ashlie is it the one with the bad caps :-)

Ashlie

:-)

Gowtham

@Bob I am not surprised, I'm just sad :/

And now photos are appearing :P

Psycogeek

@Ashlie whats an apu? A Power Unit?

Ashlie

no i had a conversation about it wid u when u told me not to electrocute myself trying to short out the 16 and 15 pin to check if it was working.

back then it was SMPS

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