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Ariane

04:00

Nope, it's a public school. I have 150 $ in my account, how would I afford a private school? Hehe.

David

I think my private school was cheaper than public schools. And you could always get student loans.

Ariane

That doesn't make sense. A private school is basically a school that takes public funding and takes students' money on top to offer more. o.o

David

it was 15k per year and I commuted. I think a local public school is around 20k-25k per year.

That is for a full time student.

Ariane

.........I pay 400 $ per year. Yeah, have fun in your hell country.

David

LOL!!!

That is awesome!

$400 per year would be awesome!

Ariane

04:03

It's just normal to me. Shrugs I actually can't comprehend why all schooling isn't free.

David

usdebtclock.org

Ariane

I have to give up on university for now though. I can't afford the 4000 or so per year, and I don't have the ability to study AND work.

David

That is why

Doesn't that debt clock look fun @Ariane?

Ariane

Nope, that's the front they put to justify it. Most of that debt is from stupid expenses like bombs. The US invest almost nothing in the meaningful sectors. That's how governments usually persuade people to vote right-wing. Spend stupid, tax too little or the wrong targets, then say we can't afford fantasies.

David

Exactly...

War is expensive.

Ariane

04:08

And nope, I was refused for financial aid. I legally have no right or reason not to live with my mother (unless the psychologist can write to the government and tell them my mother telling me to leave is a valid reason not to stay with her, which I'll see this week) which makes them say that my 10 000 per year are plenty.

Well even if my mother didn't live close enough for them to say that, I'd only get a minimal amount, assuming I'd get anything, because the calculation is wrong and only work income (which is not what I have) is 50 % removed from the aid, compared to 100 % for all other income. Main thing though is as long as you get a dollar in financial aid, they pay for your medications. Which is basically income +10 % for me.

David

I was lucky enough to get financial aid to pay half of my schooling since my dad's home building industry wasn't doing very well during that time.

Ariane

That's nice for the amount it is. You still need to pay ridiculous amounts, but.

David

I got it paid off last month.

it was $175/month

Ariane

Hurts to hear.

David

One of my colleges pays around 350/month

Ariane

04:13

And he can afford it? Wow, he's well paid.

David

Another colleges wife pays around $1250/month

He can barely pay for it.

The individual who pays $1250/month is a pharmacist.

The person who pays $350/month just got a nice promotion.

Ariane

I wish my total budget was even as high as 1250. XD

David

Pharmacists make a lot of money. I think it is $120k/year

It is regulated on how much a pharmacist makes in the US.

Ariane

Wow, that's even more than my rich father.

David

lol

She also pays for it in school debt.

Ariane

04:16

I'm lucky though in my misfortune. My ADD makes me unable to ever guarantee being on time even "most of the time" along with other things, which makes employment perspective grim at best, but it's recognized by the financial aid so whatever they should lend me they actually give it. So I don't know how bad things will be for me once I'm done with school but at least I won't be indebted.ç

Ariane

04:35

Oh yeah. Little question.

Once you've told a Windows PC to shut down (normally, through the start menu or settings bar), is there a way to interrupt the process and tell it not to shut down, manually?

This afternoon I lost like 3 hours of work because, used to Dropbox, I just shut the PC down as normal and a second later, I realized I hadn't copied my stuff in my Dropbox folder, and everything was still in the Deep Frozen computer's C:\wamp\www\. Those were 10 frustrating seconds watching it shut down, powerless.

Bon Gart

@Ariane yes. If you can open the Run dialog box fast enough, the command is shutdown /a

and that works for those rare times when you also get a windows notification that something has gone wrong and the system is shutting down within 30 seconds

works as well I mean

Bob

@BonGart huh. didn't know it did that if something went wrong

I thought that only applied to a manually initiated timed shutdown

Bon Gart

It doesn't always, but there is that occasional time when you can see that dialog. The shutdown /a command will cancel the auto-shutdown

er... that sounded confusing. It always works, but you don't always get that dialog box when something goes wrong

but the shutdown /a command works to cancel a user initiated shutdown or restart as well

Bob

ah

Bon Gart

it works on Windows 7 and all the servers as well. bring up a command prompt, and type shutdown /?

to see all the command arguments and what it does

Journeyman Geek

04:49

@Ariane: wierdly, notepad does it too

keeping an instance open and unsaved is a cool idea.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek not weird at all, and does not work on forced/timed shutdowns

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: in this case tho, she shut it down normally

Bob

on a normal shutdown, Windows sends a message to all windows with a message pump (normally GUI only, but not always)

they can respond with 'wait a bit' or 'go ahead'

actually, I forgot the specifics

Bon Gart

@JourneymanGeek yep. this command works for manual shutdowns... provided you can get to a command prompt or the run dialog fast enough

Bob

Looks like it's a WM_QUERYENDSESSION

@BonGart only if it's timed

once the shutdown starts, the system will refuse to execute cmd.exe and shutdown.exe

Ariane

04:53

@JourneymanGeek Well normally I'm gonna just make sure everything is saved, that the Dropbox icon isn't spinning, and just turn everything off. So the Notepad thing isn't really appliable.

Bob

the only way to pause/stop a started (non-forced) shutdown is by responding to WM_QUERYENDSESSION, as far as I know

Ariane

Anyway I just wanted to throw my question like that. I've been wanting to go to bed for over an hour. So uhm. Bye-bye!

Bon Gart

I'll have to test it with the laptop

David

Backups also help... If you need free backups, Crashplan is awesome

It can do minute by minute backups...

Bob

@Ariane You'd need to have some kind of program running.

Journeyman Geek

04:55

@David: she's using dropbox ;p

Bob

Notepad's save dialog just does the WM_QUERYENDSESSION thing

Journeyman Geek

so thats actually a non issue here

David

It can backup your dropbox folder

Bob

any other program could use the same

David

I have Crashplan backup my google drive folder

Bob

04:56

you could even ask Dropbox's developers to include something similar

though, they take ages to respond to suggestion, if at all

David

like... pork chop sandwiches!

I'm getting off for the night. Bye everyone!

Bob

05:35

@allquixotic we might be getting 700 LTE soonish

something about wireless microphones on 694-820 being illegal in 2015

Bob

06:34

@David @JourneymanGeek it's not recursive

the glob vsftpd* passes everything matching that as an argument - the shell expands it

ls then gets multiple arguments, and lists the contents of each

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I said it wasn't ;p

I was also saying, its something I would test XD

Bob

so if vsftpd* matches vsftpd1 and vsftpd2, you actually end up with the equivalent of ls vsftpd1 vsftpd2

5 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek

yeah, it does seem to be recursive

-_-

Journeyman Geek

seem to be ;p

Bob

ya

Journeyman Geek

it does seem to go one deep

Bob

06:37

well, I'm giving the explanation here :P

no it doesn't

you're stacking ls on top of the shell globbing, essentially

no recursion going on here

Journeyman Geek

ahh

without the r

my bad ;p

Bob

lol

had a very recent class on shell globbing :P

Journeyman Geek

but the behavour he's seeing is for the recursive ls ;p

Bob

I'm not even sure what I already knew and what I learned in those classes anymore :S

Journeyman Geek

lol

like my forensics classes. Tho, its what I knew, what I learnt, and what I accidentlaly taught people ;p

Boris_yo

08:13

The job description says: "Fluency in written and conversational English is necessary" - Does that mean native level?

Psycogeek

08:38

@Boris_yo all it means if you can communicate in english , effortlessly, not stumbling over it.

I think you qualify at least for the written part.

Journeyman Geek

09:02

yeah

technically "fluency" can be a little under bilingual level (which in turn, is less than native level)

Bob

09:34

@JourneymanGeek ...there's levels now?

Journeyman Geek

OVER 9000

superuser.com/posts/584472/revisions heh, this is why we need review audits

I found this user cause she was a review audit user, and it didn't smell right.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek time for a modping

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: flagged it

Bob

to the effect of Y U DO DIS

Journeyman Geek

lol

there really needs to be a seekrit shortcut to ping a mod ;p

Hennes

09:48

Morning.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Oh, we can just use @(OliverSalzburg slhck Sathya DanielBeck nhinkle studiohack IvoFlipse) (put the @ symbols in appropriate places) :P

Hm. Troggy is still a mod?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: gee, that sounds kinda excessive

Bob

Haven't seen him around...

Journeyman Geek

yeah, he is

and I think you forgot random ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Don't think he comes to chat...

Well, never seen him in here anyway.

Journeyman Geek

09:49

nor does troggy ;p

Bob

ya

Journeyman Geek

10:04

0

A: why I can't use external proxy in an internal organization?

@Hennes: I have gone through the detailing and great thanks for that. I have recently set up my blog on a cheap hosting but not able to access it from my office but it is working elsewhere. I am not sure,it a proxy error or DNS setting or something else. I have taken domain from Godady and hosti...

I'd like to make noida vanish right now.

SKIPPY, YOU TEASE.

Bob

10:44

@JourneymanGeek Skippy? O.o

Hennes

11:07

-1

Q: Affordable custom website restaurant

I want a custom website for my restaurant. I am a bit tight on a budget. So, suggest me some companies, which can develop a custom website at a less price.

website

I'll suggest his nephew. ;-)

Journeyman Geek

clippy even

Hennes

OH, double meaning. "Clippy can build that website for you" ;-)

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: I got clippy mixed up with his adopted cousin skippy, the jar of peanut butter it seems

Bob

@Hennes I'm pretty sure you could hear my facepalm.

Hennes

Aha. That explains the strange sound ;-)

Journeyman Geek

11:21

4

A: DELL PROLIANT SERVER -INSTALLING WITHOUT CD DRIVE

YOU CAN EITHER SET UP PXE OR GET AN INTERNAL DVD/CD DRIVE. THAT SERVER IS TOO OLD TO SUPPORT BOOT FROM USB, SO AN EXTERNAL DEVICE WILL NOT WORK. ALSO, YOU DO NOT HAVE A DELL PROLIANT, HP MAKES THE PROLIANT LINE. YOU HAVE A DELL POWEREDGE.

the one time I think an answer in all caps is appropriate, and bloody hillarious.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I've actually managed to boot off USB-FDDs on systems that don't support USB mass storage...

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek china probably makes some goofball adapter that does such strange things as convert a PATA connection to a USb with HD emulation :-)

Journeyman Geek

probably

Psycogeek

Long ago i tried one of the very cheap SATA to PATA adapters for a total fail.

Sammy

Hey guys! Is it still possible to download the SP3 for XP as a standalone installer?

Journeyman Geek

11:33

the service pack?

Hennes

There is nothing stopping the poster from using PXE boot. (Or using the HP DRAC to mount a remote ISO as a virtual drive and boot from that.)

Journeyman Geek

I should think so

Sammy

SP3 = Service Pack 3

Journeyman Geek

else, just grab wsus offline update while you still can

oh yes

ANNOYINGLY

microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24

its called "network installation" despite being a standalone installer

Hennes

This installation package is intended for IT professionals and developers downloading and installing on multiple computers on a network. If you're updating just one computer, please visit Windows Update at update.microsoft.com .

Sammy

11:35

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I found that one, but it says "Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for IT Professionals and Developers".

slhck

@JourneymanGeek The original user was a spammer as well.

Hennes

Aye. so download it once and place it on your local network

Sammy

Network installer?

Journeyman Geek

yeah, thats the one

Hennes

Though if you are reinstalling, please just use a CD with SP3 included

Journeyman Geek

11:36

@slhck: ahh. Well, I figured you could give the person who approved the edit a poke. Also, I found that user through a review audit

Hennes

Installing XP and then SP3 uses more disk space then just installing from the latest CD

Journeyman Geek

@Sammy: MS is spazzy and names things funny. Probably also eats paste.

about the only time a review audit has done me any good ;p

Sammy

@JourneymanGeek So this will work like a normal EXE installer? No need to actually install it over a network?

Journeyman Geek

yes ;p

Sammy

No special deployment involved?

Journeyman Geek

11:37

no

It just has an arse backwards name.

Hennes

Some with printers.

a LOCAL printer can be a printer via Ethernet

slhck

@JourneymanGeek Yep

Thanks for the info

Hennes

a network printer is a printer with the print stuff on another computer (either attched locally or via ethernet)

Sammy

I see... well, I'll give this a try. I don't want that ISO file, I don't have access to a DVD burner right now to burn an XP SP3 CD.

Psycogeek

@Sammy many ISo items can be busted out with a 7-Zip extraction, and used without Cd emulation or burning.

Hennes

11:47

Sammy: Did you know that XP reached the end of full support in 2009 ?

OVER 4 years ago?

And that even the extended support will end in April 2014 ?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/products/lifecycle

So if you are doing a fresh installation then look hard for something more modern.

Or install something more modern in half a year. Of remove all network cables in April, and glue shut all Ethernet and USB ports

Sammy

@Psycogeek Absolutely, 7-Zip is the greatest. I've been messing around with 7-Zip for the past two days and it really does wonders. I managed to extract the stupid Acronis True Image installer with it without any problems.

@Psycogeek But I just don't want to mess with 7-Zip and ISO files if I can get a regular EXE file.

Psycogeek

Obsolete now for 40 years, but still goes 200MPH :-) and less plastic too .

Hennes

That car has uber-ARKO. (Alle ramen kunnen open - All windows can be opened)

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: windows, what windows? ;p

Sammy

@Hennes No worries, this is not my main computer.

Journeyman Geek

11:56

@Hennes: heh, I'm currently down to one XP box

she'll likely be running XP till the day we have hardware failure ;p

Hennes

I am down to just VMs with XP

Heh. Nothing wrong with running XP. Just do not connect to the Internet

Sammy

@Hennes On what host OS?

Hennes

win 7 x64 ultimate, using vmware workstation 8

Mainly to play some old games.

Though baldurs gate causes crashes

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek i am currentaly still pissed that windows 7 , broke the windows. Taskbars that wont go away, windows that dont know if they are on top or not, toolbars were tossed out. I am using it, but i still remember my version of XP still had "windows"

Hennes

Of both host and guest OS. FUll host BSOD.

Sammy

11:59

Are you guys ever going to embrace Windows 8? Or Windows 8-ish...

Journeyman Geek

I'm running windows 8 at the moment

Sammy

Windows 8.1 maybe? :p

Journeyman Geek

actually kinda like it

Hennes

Nope. I have a valid and legal OS which does what I need it to do. Why upgrade ?

Journeyman Geek

but I tend to hide my taskbar so I have a VERY minimal workspace

Sammy

12:01

Could it be... that Windows 7 is the LAST real desktop OS from Microsoft?

Hennes

@JourneymanGeek How do you do brain surgery ?

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: not with a rock, a fish, and 3 pounds of lemons

@Sammy: I'd argue windows 8 is a desktop os

just needs a design iteration to find its feet

Psycogeek

@Sammy if it looks like a mac and walks like a mac, mabey its a duck :-)

Hennes

Maybe it is a TSR 80

Journeyman Geek

@Sammy: the trick I found was really, to just get used to the shortcuts

Sammy

12:04

Windows 7 mainstream support ends January 13, 2015. This is with SP1, the RTM version of it is no longer supported. Will there be a SP2 for Win 7?

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: I also don't set my dns on my web server

John Cavil

@Sekhemty Welcome to Root Access chat for Super Users! Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.

Journeyman Geek

@Sammy: pretty unlikely

tomorrow should be a nightmare

Hennes

Jan. 2015 is still a year further away.

Journeyman Geek

I have 4 installs of software with keys to do.

Sammy

12:05

Never stop dreaming... :)

Journeyman Geek

@Sammy: I have problems typing in keys cause ~~i'm a dog~~ I'm dyslexic

Psycogeek

@Sammy no because if you take XP there was a mass exodus to it, lots of money to keep developing on it. Win7 was more like jammed down peoples throats. Not so much money in doing that, so they adopt the Mac model, put in a store, start bumping up the numbers, 8 - 9 -10, they should ketch up with mac in short time.

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: 7 fixed a lot of the performance issues with vista

Sammy

I don't think there will be a SP2 for Win 7. As a matter of fact the whole idea of Service Packs could be a thing of the past.

Win Vista received SP1, no SP2. Win 7 received SP1, and probably will not see SP2.

Journeyman Geek

@Sammy: SPs made more sense when you had occational chances to download stuff, but not always on internet.

Psycogeek

12:08

@JourneymanGeek I never saw vista, must indeed when you have been drowning in the sewer, floating out to sea looks like a improvement .

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: I actually like 7 more than XP

and I'm the crazy bastard who has an OS/2 install I boot up every week or so

Hennes

Updated installlers media makes sense though (irrespective if you call them "NT 4.0 with SP6a included' or just 'win 8 update till Jan 2014'

Psycogeek

So everyone that suffered through the vista years , now has a liferaft they can cling to :-)

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: I'd argue its the other way around

vista sucked so badly initially that people had a rose tinted view of XP

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek :-) same thing , only different.

Hennes

12:12

I seem to be the only one which does not think Vista sucked

Sammy

@Psycogeek By "raft" you mean Win 7?...

Hennes

It was a great improvement

Better TCP/IP stack

Proper security (UAC)

A good idea on disk preloading (badly implemented, but still a good idea)

Journeyman Geek

I'd trade off having a system that isn't supported, won't run recent games, had an outdated browser they couldn't be arsed to update, for something that has all those things

Hennes

Downside: You needed new drivers and many old bugs no longer worked.

The last broke a lot of programs

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: it was also kinda slow, performance wise

Psycogeek

12:13

Vista users are now "ok" with it for the most part, after climbing that hill and getting handed a cup of water, they forget the struggle to get there.

Hennes

But those program were broken and did not work properly on XP either (e.g. if you ran XP as user and not as admin)

Journeyman Geek

(though the point I was trying to make is, XP isn't all that great ;p)

Hennes

Also, the win7/vista installers allow you to load drivers from something other than a floppy/

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: and with 7 onwards install from a USB

Psycogeek

@Hennes Which in turn obsoleted the floppy and all the hardware that worked on XP, that will never work after that.

Sammy

12:16

Vista with SP2 is OK. But the RTM was a catastrophic! All kinds of crazy non-sensical errors... one of the errors I clearly remember is that it did not allow me to copy files and folder from my DVD backup set (a set of maybe 25 DVD discs 4.3 GB each). It said I was out of memory on hard disk... but I had a whopping 350 GB still free!!

I called up Microsoft, and they sent me a link to the hotfix by e-mail, so I could download and install it before it was readily available on Download Center or Windows Update.

Hennes

I wish they made the win7 install a bit more fool proof though.
1) Insert DVD. Boot. Start windows config.
2) Change DVD to one with a needed driver
3) Press next and get useless error.

(It needed the windows DVD back after loading the driver)

Psycogeek

@Hennes They could also have made it so the entire DVD didnt go on the system. Some people dont use 1/2 of what was on the dvd, but without a load of BS (like a WAIK nightmare) it is there to stay.

Hennes

Well, if you want an OS, install an OS.
If you want a lot of apps, frameworks and no choice, install windows

Same was true in XP. Install X, then remove lots of stuff.

Journeyman Geek

hmm dreamspark has windows 8.1 already

Hennes

Hmm, now I have to look up what transtemporal metascience is.

Psycogeek

12:24

@Hennes removing stuff completly in XP was easy, unless it was making it Look like the Internet explorer went away. With win7 it is as if you have to download a SDK to remove a stupid picture (wallpaper) that the program uses. Fine for developers, no so fun for users.

If Android phones came with unremovable Hello kitty pictures stuck in the roms . . . oh wait they do , nevermind.

Hennes

Sword, better sword (57890klp)

Psycogeek

Xp was originally void of DRM, I remember installing it and the DRM filter caused me some stupidest problem. Now win7 comes with enough DRM and call home to Cause it to become , not just obsolete, but a "Time Bomb" (name for software that has a time/date in it that it ends by).

Sammy

Well, what's the alternative then? BSD? Linux? Mac OS?

Hennes

Depends on what you want to do.

Sammy

There are no commercial alternatives to Windows.

Hennes

12:38

Graphical design or users with little experience: OS X will do (Not Mac OS which is decades old.)

For a headless server: Any of the unices.

For gaming: sadly just windows (though OS X and linux come closer every year)

Etc etc

"MAC OS X" might be a pet peave of mine. It does not exist

It is alike a "Microsoft windows compatible PC windows 7"

Mac is the hardware. OS X is the software.

MAc OS is the name os OS7 and OS8 on 68000 PCs from ages agao

Sammy

Yeah, Mac OS is obsolete, I used the name as a replacement for Mac OS X. Why does have to be "X"? It's still Mac OS, just a higher version. Wonder when Mac OS X is going to turn Mac OS XVIII....

Hennes

It is the same windows XP and windows 7

It is still windows just does not cover it

OS X is a completely different OS which still works on devices from Apple

MAc OS was solely made by apple.
OS X is mach based.

Sammy

The X doesn't have to be there. Apple just want's to play cool! :)

Bob

@Sammy It's a way to distinguish the BSD-based one from the older one.

Sammy

They can just use the version number... what's wrong with that?

Bob

12:43

Very very different OSes

Hennes

I wonder when they will release iWindows ;-)

Bob

They aren't binary compatible IIRC

Sammy

iWindows iMac

That would be something...

Psycogeek

@Hennes right after MS releaces No-windows , all full screen swipe apps, Hey Just like dos :-)

Hennes

or CPM

Sammy

12:45

So what's the commercial alternative to Windows then?

For a desktop computer?

Psycogeek

@Hennes wht is CPM? Commodore Performance Module?

@Hennes Canadian pediatrics medicine?

Hennes

No, a single user OS. Someone made a clone from it and called it DOS

Bob

@Hennes you're a little slow :P

Hennes

CP/M

CP/M (Control Program for Microcomputers) was a mass-market operating system created for Intel 8080/85 based microcomputers by Gary Kildall of Digital Research, Inc. Initially confined to single-tasking on 8-bit processors and no more than 64 kilobytes of memory, later versions of CP/M added multi-user variations, and were migrated to 16-bit processors. The combination of CP/M and S-100 bus computers loosely patterned on the MITS Altair was an early "industry standard" for microcomputers, and this computer platform was widely used in business through the late 1970s and into the mid-19...

Sammy

Will x86 ever die?...

Hennes

12:47

Hopefully yes. And be replaced by a new architecture without much legacy

See Itanium

Or partially AMD64

Psycogeek

@Sammy 64 lane Pci bus , and 256 lane memory, with processors that believe in moors law.

Bob

@Hennes "AMD64" is x86

@Hennes Too bad that one died out :\

Hennes

64 bits PCI was not uncommon

E.g. my workstation motherboard had it. As did the old apple next to it.

All the desktop intels had 32 bit PCI though

As to 256 lane memory: Still only at 64 bit for desktops (and 64 bit for some mainframes since 1970)

Sammy

Itanium? Yet another Intel architecture?...

Psycogeek

@Hennes the Serial Parellel interface. Take a Sata and run it parellel too, do a full turnaround and pipe high speed serial down a 40 pin connection :-)

Sammy

12:52

What about open source hardware?

Hennes

@Sammy Itanium is where Intel tried to be clever. Try two things: 1) Buld a CPU set based on netburst architure for high frequencies (P4, was very inefficient to the point where a P-mobile 1.7GHZ was faster than a 3 GHZ P4) and which failed to reach the 10GHZ goal.

And a CPU which used slower speed and very wide words (Itanium)

Psycogeek

@Sammy 3D print your own processor.

Hennes

In theorie that titanium was much better, but needed a very smart compiler (which failed to appear)

It also was not backward compatible

Bob

@Hennes More accurately, it didn't last long enough for smart enough compilers to appear.

Hennes

And when they added backward compatability that part was slow

Mwah. Smart compilers are hard. Very hard.

Bob

12:54

It's not like x86 got excellent compilers on introduction.

Just decades of development.

Hennes

And if the CPU changes (e.g. a few MHZ faster. A better instruction here or there) the compiler needs to be build on a per CPU base

Aye

Hard though. And needed updating. And thus expensive. And not enough time

Still an interesting idea.

And moderm GPU's use some of those idea (very wide instructions)

Bob

People are lazy. "Hey, x86 works. Why do we need to spend years waiting for Itanium to catch up?"

Hennes

x86 worked, but was ugly.

Just like the first dual pentiums. Take two single core pentiums. Put them on a single chip. Call it a dual core

AMDs first dual was better. And later. And not all that much faster

Which was economically unwise.

But the engineer part inside me liked their design better.

Sammy

So x86 is here to stay then?...

Hennes

That is asking us to predict the future.

It will be hard to get rid off.

Though who knows. As long as the interface works as expected and the old apps work noone will complain just how things work under the hood.

Even if that requires emulation

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