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Psycogeek

15:02

A locked intel (given the right motherboard) can supposedly use Turbo to OC it some. ""Non-K processors can be set to use +4 bins versus their normal Turbo speed at a given load: It's different from what others have mentioned where certain motherboards just run a CPU at it's highest Turbo speed regardless of load...all that means is that max 4-core load is the same frequency as a single core load; the +4 bin speed overclock is actually better. It requires Turboboost "

techreport.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87608

Darth Android

Yeah, but +4 to the multiplier isn't all that much

Psycogeek

So the motherboards like Asus (which is what i am going for so far) will use the turbo feature to boost the thing. Ok close enough for a minor overclock. But it better not be limited to the same turbo that only uses One core.

@DarthAndroid Ahh, it used to be, when it was like 9 total. that could be a key to what i am trying to figure out.

Remember i am only trying to get to a lasy ~4.3 kind of area with reduced voltage.

Darth Android

+4 is 400Mhz at the stock BCLK

so, 3.2 -> 3.6GHZ, that sort of thing

It's a healthy bump, but it's not 20-25%

checks math

Yeah, that's about 12.5%

Less if the starting speed is higher

Psycogeek

Ok then add in bumping the Whole clock 5% ( I think called Bclk)

Darth Android

Yup, that takes you to about 18% total boost

And actually, it's not that much, since the processor will give you some of that +4 automatically

It just won't run all four cores at that speed

so it depends on your load

if you're talking about gaming, you'll see a 5% boost

if you're talking about video encoding using all cores, you'll see a 18% boost

Psycogeek

15:09

@DarthAndroid that is beginning to make sence. and it is almost enough . Not all 4 cores , but i thought that was what they were tricking the thing into, staying boosted

Darth Android

Well, if you're only pushing one core to 100%

Psycogeek

If it aint all 4 cores then it does me zero good.

Darth Android

it will stay boosted

TurboBoost already does that

no overclock needed

If you do the multicore enhancement / +4 bin stuff, that allows you to keep all the cores boosted, not just one

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid What is this enhancment shit :-)

Darth Android

Having a motherboard force TurboBoost on while all cores are fully loaded was mentioned to be called "Multicore Enchancement" in that forum thread you linked earlier

(the same as the +4 bin stuff we've been talking about)

My 2600K is running at +30% speed right now, with the BCLK adjustments I could probably get it up to 35%

Psycogeek

15:12

Ahh, well that is what would "work" because the multi is always adjusting the whole processor, its just a matter of tricking it into staying that way via the motherboard? that was still a question.

Darth Android

Correct. That is how it works. It's a trick by the motherboard.

Psycogeek

and if it is a 4771 :-) then i squeese out 100more

somequixotic

anyone know how to get openvz running on vanilla linux kernel? apparently it's possible, but right now i'm struggling because it can't find "simfs" or "ploop" so it can't mount the filesystem

Bob

@DarthAndroid IIRC that requires other cores to be shut down

which doesn't happen on Windows

Darth Android

@Bob for turbo?

Bob

15:15

@somequixotic don't you need 2.6.x?

Gowtham

survey.googleratings.com/wix/… :O

Darth Android

I thought the whole point of this motherboard trick was just to run the processor in turbo mode, regardless of how loaded the cores are

somequixotic

@Bob OpenVZ's 2.6.32 kernel is basically a fork of the Linux kernel because it's so different, but vzctl 4.0 or later (I'm running 4.5.1) supports the vanilla Linux kernel for most operations

Bob

@DarthAndroid yes, the motherboard 'trick' you mention (which I have not heard of... if I wanted to do that, i'd have to manually set the multiplier)

but a standard CPU on a reference mobo would not do that

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid If the motherboard would do this trick of turboing all 4 cores, will the 4 cores stay turboed when the CPU is mostly Idle ? Giving me power savings?

Darth Android

15:17

@Psycogeek Keeping the cores turboed will not give you power savings, will actually give you power losses

Bob

@Psycogeek it just means the max clock

Darth Android

and that's one of the issues discussed in the forum thread

Bob

Intel CPUs will step down automatically when not under heavy use

unless you disable that, of course

Psycogeek

@Bob I am very specifically buying a motherboard that is very overclock friendly, the Asus maximus hero.

Darth Android

Well, the MB trick disables that, because it apparently just forces the CPU into turbo mode and leaves it there

Bob

15:18

@Psycogeek ah, no idea about that one

@DarthAndroid then that's a pretty shitty 'feature'.

Darth Android

It's intended to boost numbers, not for actual use I think.

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid Right , but does turbo stay on, when the computer is (mostly) idle normally?

Darth Android

normally no.

when my CPU is idle, I think it drops all the way down to 1GHz

it only clocks up if one of the cores gets close to 100% or something

the motherboard trick forces the CPU to run at full speed all the time, even if the cores are idle

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid Because asuming this trick works, then i can have my speed on a need basis, and still cool out when the work is done.

Darth Android

@Psycogeek What makes you think it will cool out when idle?

From what I was seeing, you'd have to disable the trick and reboot the machine to let the CPU idle properly

Psycogeek

15:21

@DarthAndroid well there is one Point for the Unlocked then. unless they are locking those up Too for minor overclocks.

Darth Android

@Psycogeek Because the "trick" is to force the stepping to the max, all the time

ergo, it can't step down when idle

Which is why the K-chips are attractive if you're overclocking. You can just set a higher max, and then just let it step normally.

All this talk is making me want to see if I can push my overclock when I get home now :(

Kwaio

Not me. I still have a shitty mobo

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid There is also some noise around, that haswell didnt lock well enough, and boards made more things possible. Dang i lost that artical, and now I think i actually have to read it.

Darth Android

@Psycogeek It's a possibility, I haven't looked at any of the material since the 2600K came out

That Brazilian Guy

This forum looks vaguely familiar: forum.techtudo.com.br

Psycogeek

15:30

@DarthAndroid My problem is i want it ALL, but i do not need to push the voltage to the ceiling, and beat the thing to death, just want that extra percentage, and tweak up the PCI a bit too because it can push the GPU speed some. I need quiet cool and overclocked, and there is a possibility that the stupid instruction set could be usefull in my multi cores uses.

Darth Android

Which instruction set specifically are you looking at?

I don't remember off the top of my head what the K CPUs dropped

Psycogeek

the TSX ark.intel.com/compare/75123,77656 here it shows actually 4items different, but only one could even possibly effect me.

Darth Android

I thought it was just one of the advanced virtualization techs which wasn't a big issue unless you're running lots of VMs on the chip simultaneously, or otherwise operating in a more enterprise environment where you should be looking at xeons

That Brazilian Guy

This is cool: nerdmeritbadges.com

Psycogeek

In the link shown QPI is labeld different too, and nobody even mentioned that

I also have not seen ANY benchmarks even knowing that many are collisions of multithreaded stuff, where the 4770 beats the K version.

somequixotic

15:35

@Bob ready to call me crazy? OK, here's what I'm doing tonight: I'm going to compile Linux 3.10.9 with the Linux-VServer experimental patch and with Xen dom0 support, then migrate all my OpenVZ containers to Linux-VServer (how? very carefully), then create an OpenSUSE 12.3 VM in Xen as a build server for Win32 programs (Mingw64).

"why are you using Xen instead of Linux-VServer for OpenSUSE?" Well, because systemd, basically; it doesn't work well in containers, but it works fine in full virtualization.

Darth Android

@Psycogeek this is one area where benchmarks aren't going to help you

those new instruction sets are only good if they are used by the software you're running

even if benchmarks were updated and recompiled to use them

it would be so far from real-world that it wouldn't matter

somequixotic

Windows software will take a very long time to catch up to using Haswell's instructions (if they use them at all) because they aren't particularly geared towards benefiting ordinary software

Darth Android

^

somequixotic

MMX and SSE were instructions that most programs literally jumped on ASAP because they were so relevant

VT-x was another big one for the likes of VMware and VirtualBox

Darth Android

If you're planning to use this chip as a database server, and are going to max out all cores on it

then I'd say stick with the non-K, or look at the Xeons.

Psycogeek

15:39

@DarthAndroid Well i was looking at code for TSX, but it goes over my head. If there is a requirement to compile the multi-threaded app to USE it, then that would rarely fix my stuff. I was hoping it would "fix" Multithreaded , and multitasking more than one thing (general) stuff that is bound by its own bad coding :-)

Darth Android

No, it's not a magic fix for anything

Bob

@somequixotic uhh

somequixotic

I wish they had a multi-processor, enthusiast/full-scale, Haswell-based Xeon out right now... but I bet those aren't due until 2020

quad Haswell based 130W TDP Xeons... would be quite fast

Darth Android

Using the TSX requires that a) compilers are updated to support it, b) programs are recompiled with said compilers, and c) that the workload actually is benefited from it

c) is described as "specific workloads and database transactions" (emphasis mine)

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid Well the server CPUs and the added (excessive) ram, and added cores, would help one aspect of my use a lot. but in reality it is just a gaming and video editing desktop.

somequixotic

15:41

this is why bytecode is nice -- if they were to recompile the Java virtual machine (or any other VM, including .NET) to take advantage of TSX, and your bytecode just so happened to demand a workload that it'd benefit from, wham -- it's using it -- no recompile needed

but that would be more relevant if they came out with APX (Awesome Performance Extensions) that benefited 90% of apps instead of 10% like TSX

Darth Android

@Psycogeek gaming and video editing desktop -> I would not trade away the K to get VT-d or TSX

Bob

9

Q: How do programming languages define functions?

How do programming languages define and save functions/methods? I am creating an interpreted programming language in Ruby, and I am trying to figure out how to implement function declaration. My first idea is to save the content of the declaration in a map. For example, if I did something like ...

> I am creating an interpreted programming language in Ruby

Kwaio

"goto"

Bob

:S

somequixotic

@Bob LOL

Bob

15:43

That... that just seems so wrong.

somequixotic

"I am creating an interpreted programming language in JRuby running on IKVM on top of Mono in a QEMU guest emulating a Motorola 68k processor"

nothing wrong with that

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid So what the hell is QPI, a cute name for what things do already, or some real change in anything?

Darth Android

@Psycogeek Something like that, I'm not sure why it says 0. It's used for interconnecting high I/O devices or multiple processors

somequixotic

Joe Schmo's UMHLPL (Ultra Mega High Level Programming Language), whose interpret is written in Ruby, whose interpreter is written in Java, which is JIT compiled into .NET bytecode at runtime, which is JIT compiled into native machine code for Motorola 68k at runtime, which is interpreted in userspace by qemu....

puts hi would take about 10 seconds

Darth Android

@Psycogeek It repalced the system bus from the pentium days; If it's 0, then either a) the site is wrong or b) it's been replaced with newer technology

The system cannot function at all without it

Bob

15:46

@somequixotic If you're lucky!

somequixotic

@DarthAndroid IIRC, as of Haswell, you either have a QPI (Nehalem or later) or you have a FSB (pre-Nehalem); there's nothing else really

AMD probably uses different terminology, but for Intel, that's basically it

they roughly perform the same tasks in the design of the computer, but QPI does it "better"

Darth Android

I thought Intel did away with the FSB a while ago.

somequixotic

@DarthAndroid which is why I said that you either have a QPI or an FSB

Darth Android

The i7 920 and 2600K both did not have a FSB

Gowtham

AMD calls the system bus Hyper Transport

somequixotic

15:48

@DarthAndroid isn't that what I just said?

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid The whole of the computer is important to my work. Upping the Numbers on the CPU have not meant a lot. Upping the speeds of the PCI, and the Hard drives going sata, and the ram thouroput and On die CPU caches and all. The whole package outweighs for me a few numbers in the CPU. I just cant do the server thing this time.

somequixotic

the 920 was Nehalem and the 2600K was Sandy Bridge

Nehalem >= Nehalem

Sandy Bridge >= Nehalem

Darth Android

Ah, sorry

I didn't realize when Nehalem came out

Thought it was a recent arch for some reason

@Psycogeek the PCI bus speeds and SATA link speeds generally do not matter all that much

somequixotic

Nehalem was actually a fairly quiet launch as far as Intel CPU releases are concerned: it hit the public basically as a super expensive, desktop enthusiast line, along with the X58 chipset (enthusiast), and although it way outperformed Core 2, there weren't a lot of sales or units produced because it was all enthusiast

Bob

@Psycogeek PCIe speeds usually don't matter all that much

somequixotic

15:51

I think frankly that Intel was trying to sell off inventory of Core 2 so they didn't make as big of a deal of Nehalem as they could -- they've only really targeted mainstream users in Core 2, Sandy, Ivy, and now Haswell

Bob

not many things are going to saturate that

Darth Android

Even high-end gaming only uses more than 8X on the PCI-e bus every once in a while, usually when loading massive amounts of textures

the bottleneck there is far more likely the HDD which it's loading the textures off of

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid I am saying that they made a big differecne from when that stuff was slower. like when using PATA and having only PCI and AGP, those changes were very usefull

somequixotic

you could probably peg X8 loading textures if they're all stored in page cache in RAM

Gowtham

lol blog.fox-it.com/2013/09/05/…

Darth Android

15:52

@Psycogeek Well, yes, that can be said about anything

Bob

@somequixotic ya, but then you have x16. and PCIe 2.0 and 3.0 doubling the rates

Ben Richards

Hi

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Q: Why aren't I picking up the exit status from my child process?

I have a Perl program that I'm managing on that has the ability to fork off multiple processes (up to a specified limit), monitor them, and as they exit, fork off additional processes (once again, up to the limit), until the list of things to run is completed. It works fine, except for some reaso...

perl posix fork

This is confusing me. :|

Darth Android

I'm saying that PCI-e 1x and Sata3 have been around for a while, and have been sufficient for most of the workload still happening today

somequixotic

@BenRichards do you exist? I haven't seen you in ages

Bob

oh, 4.0 now. that's approx 6x of 1.0

Ben Richards

15:53

@somequixotic I know! Yes. :P

Bob

which is pretty ridiculous

@BenRichards yay perl

Ben Richards

I kind of drift in and out online :P

Bob

:P

somequixotic

where have you been?! I'm like an upset fiance who is angry because you disappeared off the face of the earth for a month

Bob

I'm only just learning it. Moderately frustrating.

somequixotic

15:54

except we're not getting married

(that I'm aware of)

Darth Android

The only way you'd even utilize PCI-e 3.0/4.0 is if you're connected two computers over... thunderbolt and are doing a direct memory-to-memory copy between them

Bob

@somequixotic how could you forget the proposal???

Ben Richards

Haha, yeah, not that I'm aware of, either, @somequixotic :P

Darth Android

In fact I doubt that would even utilize them. You'd have to do multiple thunderbolt connections.

somequixotic

@BenRichards btw, I tried Tetris somewhat recently with Emscripten and a fully updated toolchain (LLVM 3.3 and emscripten from git master), but it looks like certain stuff in tetris will never be supported on emscripten because the GL 1.x emulation on top of GLES 2.0 is really difficult and slow...

Bob

15:55

@DarthAndroid PCIE 4.0 x16 is three times faster than DDR3-1333

somequixotic

but I'm positive that you could retain the same appearance of your app while using the strict GLES 2.0 API, and it would probably be a little neater code-wise, considering it's a much newer API than GL 1.x

Darth Android

@Psycogeek It all boils down to the biggest bottlenecks for (gaming and video editing) is by far going to be your disk speed, followed by available memory (which allieviates disk speed issues), followed by GPU for gaming or CPU for video editing

not the PCI/Sata link speeds (unless you're running an SSD over sata3. use sata6 for that), not even RAM speeds (1600 is more than fine)

somequixotic

@BenRichards ohh, I know a guy at work who's an "old hand" at Perl and knows its ins and outs that could answer that in 5 seconds, but I don't want to ask him and use up his time

Darth Android

esp. for video editing, I would only further recommend a K-chip if only because you can get the multiplier higher, and you will be maxing that out for encoding unless you do GPU encoding

somequixotic

@DarthAndroid hmm... the K chip still has a GPU, right? Intel QSV ?

Darth Android

15:58

The K chip still has the Intel HD 4600

somequixotic

nowadays with the latest Intel driver you can use QSV simultaneously with any discrete graphics card's GPU encoding, albeit probably not on the same file, but yeah

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid Sometimes it was not the "speed" but the quanity of stuff going over that bus at the same time Balks. Encoding uncompressed HD video, and playing a game on the side while waiting :-) me thinks buses are cool. but the speed of them now is sufficient. Probably more collision at the chipset itself.

Ben Richards

@somequixotic Nice. Well, you could send him a link :P

@somequixotic That's no fun.

somequixotic

I think Sony Vegas is working on a way to distribute OpenCL calls (their entire GPU-accelerated pipeline is based on OpenCL) across multiple GPU targets

that'd let you encode on both a radeon/geforce and the iGPU at the same time

Darth Android

@Psycogeek Uh, I would not encode video and play a game. One is going to cut into the other seriously

somequixotic

16:00

or multiple discrete cards :D

@DarthAndroid :O you just gave me a great idea

encode video using Intel QSV on the iGPU, and play the game using the discrete card :D

Bob

uh oh

somequixotic

brilliant, man!

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid Confusion say: man who mix work with pleasure , have more fun getting paid :-)

Darth Android

@Psycogeek Not disputing that, I'm just saying that if you don't care that the encode takes longer, then this is all an academic exercise anyways

somequixotic

it's hard not to care about encode time for live video capture though

Darth Android

16:03

@somequixotic Hardware encoder in the capture device plz

Bob

Any Dutch people here want a cheap VPS? :P

lowendbox.com/blog/…

cat photos: imgur.com/a/Kzft4

Darth Android

> Don't allow anything that attracts DDoS attacks

Whelp, I guess that rules out a Minecraft sever

Bob

@DarthAndroid don't use > ?

Darth Android

Well, I wanted to block-quote the first line, and not the second line

Bob

remember that chat markdown is dumb

6

it has very little concept of multiple lines

Darth Android

16:06

There.

somequixotic

@Bob for "performance reasons"

Bob

...why are you all starring that message? -_-

4

somequixotic

@Bob you can always delete it to erase the stars, or forcibly de-star it using your newfound owner powers

jokerdino

@somequixotic NO

Bob

oh come on

4

I give up

4

@somequixotic urk. I'll leave that for you if you want to cancel them :P

3

I'll just be the passive guy that does nothing.

3

somequixotic

16:13

@Bob use the "cancel stars", ~~Luke~~ @Bob!

Bob

Also, it gives me an excuse to shout "power abuse" at you :D

somequixotic

o_O

3

you just want total ownership of the star wall. you greedy pig.

4

Bob

@somequixotic considering I just starred two of your messages... :P

3

Is this project star-all-on-the-page?

somequixotic

@Bob NO

remember once when the entire wall was NO?

Bob

@somequixotic ya. still blame you for it :P

@somequixotic POWER ABUSE

Ben Richards

16:16

Updated my question to add more code snippets, based on feedback

Psycogeek

@DarthAndroid thanks, i am going to keep reading more, but that (the whole convo) helps a lot.

Darth Android

So... are we just starring every comment today?

4

Ben Richards

Ooh, got an awesome potential answer :D

Bob

@DarthAndroid Seems like it.

Darth Android

@Psycogeek No problem :)

Bob

16:17

Heh, @BenRichards got caught in the crossfire :P

Darth Android

Well, maybe I'll finally get a comment 10-starred.

Ben Richards

Haha :D

jokerdino

@DarthAndroid Nice try

Ben Richards

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A: Why aren't I picking up the exit status from my child process?

If $test_status is 512, are you calling POSIX::_exit(512)? That is incorrect. A child process should call POSIX::_exit with an operand in the range 0 to 255, and the Perl parent process that reaps that child will get $? set to exit-status << 8. POSIX::_exit(512) is equivalent to POSIX::_exit(512...

somequixotic

that's not me removing stars

Ben Richards

16:17

Seriously, this is not something I'd have picked up on. :P

Bob

@somequixotic o.O

somequixotic

it must be @jokerdino

Bob

sorry for the accusation, then :P

somequixotic

he's silently laughing himself to death

jokerdino

@somequixotic NO

Bob

16:18

~~@somequixotic~~ @jokerdino POWER ABUSE

jokerdino

@somequixotic YES

@somequixotic haven't cancelled any stars though. just playing around ;P

somequixotic

should i change my display name back to allquixotic? O_o

Bob

I just realised I have a math test tomorrow

Gowtham

YES

somequixotic

@Bob what kind of math?

Darth Android

16:20

@BenRichards I'm not familiar with perl, so I might totally be misunderstanding, but if you use my $pid;, won't unless defined $pid always be true?

Gowtham

@Bob good luck :)

Bob

@somequixotic Algebra. Vectors/matrices.

Joy.

jokerdino

@Bob still better than calculus

Gowtham

I hate matrices

bleh calculus is better

somequixotic

on a scale of 1 to 10, I'm probably an 8.5 on vectors/matrices - it depends on whether you're talking advanced linear algebra, or basics

jokerdino

16:20

I loved the movie trilogy.

Ben Richards

@DarthAndroid Nope. You can set a variable to undef, for instance.

Gowtham

@somequixotic what stuff comes under basics ?

Bob

wait. I misinterpreted that question

@somequixotic depends what you consider advanced :P

somequixotic

@Gowtham things like matrix multiplication, transposition...

jokerdino

4

Ben Richards

16:22

Off to get lunch

somequixotic

eigenvalues/eigenvectors, transformations, are more advanced.. I can do them, but they're not as easy

Bob

@somequixotic oh, not there yet

Gowtham

Eww Eigen stuff :/

Bob

well, starting on transformations

Gowtham

Sums are too large

Bob

16:22

the other two... later this year

somequixotic

matrix addition / subtraction / multiplication / transposition is pretty doable

Bob

ya

but then there's all the fancy new words

somequixotic

transformations by a function or a vector... I can do that stuff, depends on what the transformation is though... kinda like limits.. I can do easy limits, but not insanely hard ones

the concept is easy, but it opens up a whole new world of complexities

Gowtham

i still don't understand where I am supposed to use an Eigen vector

The wikipedia article is confusing

somequixotic

@Gowtham they're useful in history, studying WW II, Dwight D. Eigenhower, requires knowing them... (I'm kidding)

Bob

16:24

I'm still kinda stuck at "wtf is a span"

though I was supposed to know that months ago

somequixotic

@Bob yeah, that's somewhat tricky

Gowtham

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Q: A simple explanation of eigenvectors and eigenvalues with 'big picture' ideas of why on earth they matter

A number of areas I'm studying in my degree (not a maths degree) involve eigenvalues and eigvenvectors, which have never been properly explained to me. I find it very difficult to understand the explanations given in textbooks and lectures. Does anyone know of a good, fairly simple but mathematic...

reference-request eigenvalues eigenvectors

somequixotic

@Bob supposedly, according to my calculus 3 teacher, a knowledge of solid geometry provides powerful mental visualizations for visual learners to be able to associate with the stuff in linear algebra

Bob

@somequixotic huh?

somequixotic

meaning there are analogues and parallels between them (no pun intended; parallels? solid geometry? ha ha)

@Bob think of a bunch of 2D lines on a screen painted at random angles and lengths.. now, a span is basically, using as many lines as you originally had, draw that many lines again but make the total set of your "new" lines intersect with every other line at least once

each of the "new" lines don't have to intersect with every original line; but as long as each original line has at least one new line that intersects with it, the set of the new lines is a span

Bob

16:42

okay...

somequixotic

it's harder to visualize if your vectors have more values in them because we can't think in terms of 4D, 5D, etc. but the principle is the same

as you can imagine, there is usually (or is it always? I don't know) a way to make more than one span for any given set of vectors

Bob

anyway, I should get some sleep

thanks for trying to explain, @somequixotic

somequixotic

:( nini

Bob

16:57

...

> ''No surprises, no excuses … No more, no less.''

that's coming from the leader of the party that just surprised everyone last minute with the censorship crap, then tried to make up a bullshit excuse

good job.

I really should sleep

why so unhappy, @some

Psycogeek

17:20

@DarthAndroid Found the other thing with the overclocking, and it has nothing to do with K or not, it is only about the Chipset(motherboard) being able to overclock. ""Haswell overclocking requires two things: one, a K-series variant of the processor, and two, a motherboard with a Z87 chipset. Several motherboard makers have recently circumvented the second requirement, enabling Haswell overclocking on H87, B85, and H81 mobos via a firmware update. ""

techreport.com/news/25138/… All this stuff is so old, as are many of the better pointed to articals.

Hennes

18:23

And moses parted the soda... ;)

1

Q: My RAM sticks got wet, can I still use them?

I had a small pile of accumulated, salvaged desktop RAM sticks sitting on my desk. I made the apparently unwise decision to drink my XL sody-pop near them, and to my demise, my desk got flooded with sticky syrup & water. A couple of the sticks got wet. I dabbed them dry, but once they have dried...

memory water-damage

Psycogeek

@Hennes colyn seems to suggest that they are now ruined , LOL.

Hennes

Depending on how long there were int he acid I might agree

Coka is PH 2-3-ish

split.. immediately clean with water, then rinse in distilled water and dry: Fine

Drop in acid for a week, then try a spash of water and hope for the best -> GTF away from my servers with that RAM

So I agree with both Colyn and David

Psycogeek

sounds like another episode for mythbusters.

Hennes

Well, thin matal layers and acid from coke or orange juice -> not good.

Psycogeek

In this jar we have left the ram sticks in Coke zero, and here Pepsi, and here a common orange soda. But only the red bull seems to have dissolved all the gold off the board edge connector. :-)

Hennes

18:33

so red bull is the water for the king?

Psycogeek

lol

edit ""Don't use isopropol alcohol either. It encourages dry rot."" , ha ha, what will he think of next ? the alcohol will permiate into the ram chips and make them stumble more often.

I think i am going to have to go in there and help. Moses should take it to the machine shop and run it under the sandblaster for some time, to get it all off, then bake it in the oven at 350* for 4 hours. Once dried cover with canned whipped cream, which will replace the conformal

somequixotic

18:48

"sody" pop?

Hennes

Sprinkle with Sarin. Your RAM will not bother you anymore.

That Brazilian Guy

19:28

What is HTML "folding"? superuser.com/questions/641564/…

Oliver Salzburg

19:47

@ThatBrazilianGuy Reformatting based on node depth

<html>
    <stuff />
</html>

That Brazilian Guy

@OliverSalzburg I'm not sure if I do follow. -_-

Oliver Salzburg

An HTML/XML document is like a tree. The "folding" he's talking about is breaking up the elements into multiple lines and indenting those lines to represent the tree structure

Darth Android

@ThatBrazilianGuy Reformatting an HTML document, where the nesting depth is used to determine the indentation level

i.e., the <stuff /> tag above is nested 1 element deep, so it gets indented 1 tab.

That Brazilian Guy

@OliverSalzburg "An HTML/XML document is like a tree". Hence the DOM model, right? I still don't understand the "folding". "breaking up the elements into multiple lines and indenting those lines to represent the tree structure" how different is that from normal identation?

Oliver Salzburg

@ThatBrazilianGuy Well, the file won't be indented at all when he grabs it from the web

It's a single line, so he wants it broken up into multiple lines, but context-aware, not simply after every 100 characters or something like that

slhck

19:55

I thought folding just referred to being able to collapse/expand subtrees?

Oliver Salzburg

Thus, something that breaks it into multiple lines, based on the nesting, would be optimal

@slhck I don't think "folding" is an actual term that describes what he wants, but this is what he means ;D

btw, I posted an answer

That Brazilian Guy

What confuses me is I have never seen this "folding" terminology

Oliver Salzburg

@ThatBrazilianGuy Me neither

slhck

@OliverSalzburg Me all the time

:P

But only as a feature of editors.

Oliver Salzburg

Yeah, well, ... :D

slhck

19:57

wesbos.com/sublime-text-code-folding

That Brazilian Guy

@slhck Ain't that used to be "collapsing" and "expanding" or something?

slhck

@ThatBrazilianGuy Well, yeah, but I guess that's two words and "folding" sums it up nicely. It's been the term I've been seeing with editors ever since.

Eclipse calls it like this, TextMate does, any editor basically

That Brazilian Guy

Well, one learns something new each day.

Except for the days when one doesn't, that is.

Darth Android

@slhck I've definately heard of folding like you describe, but never in the context of reformatting a document.

slhck

@DarthAndroid Yeah, I think the OP just used the wrong term

That Brazilian Guy

20:12

Best description of SE I ever read:

"Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime. Therefore, if a man asks for a fish, beat him until he learns how to fish."

Psycogeek

Teach a man to fish and he then needs 3 $$ fly poles , a $$ boat, nets, fish $$ finder, specialty baits, waders, a new truck to haul it in. Heck just give the dude a fish, he can eat top ramen for the rest of the week.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Additional costs? Just give him a credit card.

Psycogeek

But dont clean it for him.

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek You live in a place which is good for observing comets and UFOs. Have you seen something in last 6 months?

slhck

20:44

@OliverSalzburg superuser.com/a/641593/48078

Just FYI

Oliver Salzburg

@slhck What happened?

Oh, the deleted answer

slhck

Yeah, sorry, link didn't work anymore :P

Oliver Salzburg

I don't have the highlighting due to the dark theme, was looking at the comments :P

Humm, I don't have Outlook 2013, but I don't see why it would be different, unless they removed IMAP support

OP said it worked for him

somequixotic

github.com/liftoff/gateone

quite nice product, easy to install, easy to use, excellent UI, works over https proxy

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo No I have to head out to the local (big lake type) park to get a good view of the sky, to many lights in even sub-urban areas here. Also out in the wilderness miles from anything, the stuff shows up more when the moon is not so full. I have seen over 1000 UFOs , none of which i could identify the type of plane or jet it was .

@Boris_yo Out there away from the city it is amazing to me how often there are meteors, because i used to think it had to be a meteor shower to see many in a night. I have gone out during specific meteor "showers" as listed by astronomers , and those shows are sometimes spectacular, and sometimes boring as heck.

Boris_yo

20:53

@Psycogeek Can you explain why such places are better to observe cosmic activity than other places on earth? Does it have to do with earth's spinning angle?

Hennes

Holy fucking G-ddamm necropholic bastards. George Carlin is good.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Well they put telescopes up on higher areas so they dont have to deal with as much fog, and stuff. all the people stuff, the lights and how it bounces off the smog and air. ""i heard some where, possibly the boeing factory tour that at any given time there is at least 60,000 people airborne over america at once, so how many planes there is i just don't know""

Hennes

I am watching Life is worth loosing

Boris_yo

@Hennes So is it? If it has no purpose only?

Hennes

Look it up on youtube. He is not polite, but he is damn good

Psycogeek

20:59

@Boris_yo For me though I do not spend so much time looking UP :-) just walking at night, then definatly when walking out in the boondies at night, the sky is half the view, and on a Dark moon night, the stars and metors just take over the view well.

Boris_yo

@Hennes Yet I didn't hear his show about necrophils...

Hennes

It is the ultimate make over.
That is why I think it belongs on television.
On the all-suicide channel on TV

In this depraved culture we live in. With all therse reality shows. Shows aside and TV will be a natural. I betcha that you can have an all-suidice channel. And why not, they have an all-golf channel. WTF?

Boris_yo

@Hennes That's because he knows how to tell truth while entertaining people. We also have similar comedian in Russia but Carlin is better for sure.

Psycogeek

@Hennes LOL ASC limited, your EOL network

Aparentally there are games out now, where you never get a freaking weapon. not a fire axe, no crowbar, not even to grab a stick with a nail in it. The whole game you run in terror from the thing that is out to get you, it aint a temple run. I am not sure if i would be able to play them, being less powerfull is one thing, being poweless with no ability to do anything about it another.

Give me a super plasma fire rocket launcing Icbm gun, and I am still getting killed way to often :-) Oh sure Stealth, but the computer always knows where you are :-)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Sounds like shadow government's developed videogame...

Psycogeek

21:15

@Boris_yo Well its not exactally "non-violent" gaming Slender and Outlast you dont get to perpetuate violence the whole time, but the boogidy man does .

slhck

21:30

-13

Q: Banned for speaking the truth?

I asked a simple question today that led to 20 down-votes. As I asked the question, a disrespectful member started serial down-voting my questions on Stack Overflow. In fact, I lost about 22 reps because of that user. When I pointed that out, Andrew Barber, a moderator, started covering his fri...

support account-suspension

This is hilarious. Read it while it's still up.

Oliver Salzburg

@slhck 22 reps, holy shit

slhck

@OliverSalzburg Better than losing EXP

Boris_yo

21:57

@slhck He didn't know there are systems in place to guard from serial downvoting so he suspected someone and called him name?

Sidar

Can I ask something network related?

Psycogeek

22:26

@Boris_yo Why ? are there any special aliens, or comet ships comming in the near future? Because i am about to upgrade my computer, if them damn aliens are going to bring more new high tech to the humans, breeching moores law , i would need to know when :-)

Boris_yo

22:36

@Psycogeek You should ask if elite insider can offer you computer upgrade which is 50 years ahead of current technology.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo They will give me one of them really fast chips, that just leaves out some calculations here and there , to get it done quicker. hmmm, mabey china has one of them.

They can convice me that is is very sofisticated calculus that has 1+1=3.5

Which further proves that the aliens are very very tiny insect like creatures, because who else could work at the 22nm level, aliging all them atoms up right for todays processors. They probably have them enslaved, and being cloned somewhere in the mid west, in big caves.

Killer bees are an AMD worker revolt, in progress.

somequixotic

22:52

To get rep in a virtual website. — user2342080 1 hour ago

a virtual website? so there are non-virtual websites?

please provide the physical mailing address of a website so I can go visit it in person!

with big giant clicky buttons and everything

Psycogeek

non-virtual web site

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