Root Access

Bob

01:24

I am unable to print from open office, I tried reinstalling open office but it did not work. I use a brother mfc240c printer and I am running Hardy. Printing from other apps has not been an issue.

Binary package hint: openoffice.org The problem is in openoffice2.4. I'am running Hardy 8.04 When I click print the box opens that allows me to choose print properties. I have looked to make sure things like paper size was correct. When I click print I get nothing. Nothing lights on the printer no message. Open office behaves just like it has printed and yet nothing prints. My printer is a Brother MFC-240C. It prints fine from other apps, Firefox, Evince no problem.

cupsys (Ubuntu)

Undecided / Invalid

Psycogeek

""So the fact that updates fix and break printing in openoffice probably is due to something else, maybe cups, causing the problem?"" If it aint broke , dont update it :-)

""What a fascinating bug!! My wife has complained that open office will never print on Tuesdays!?! "" You have to get the pay version to print on tuesdays :-)

Journeyman Geek

01:44

11

A: RJ11 for ethernet connection

Ah, the RJ-11 socket, a primary indicator of a an archaic device mentioned repeatedly in various translated texts dating back to "The UNIX Wars". These tomes indicate the device was called a "Modem" (MOdulator-DEModulator) and used audio to transmit data back and forth between simplistic machine...

utterly epic answer ;p

Simon Sheehan

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek was someone going to tell the guy in english, that RJ-11 is a telephone connection, and there is likly to be a phone analog modem behind it?

Journeyman Geek

someone did that ;p

thats the sort of answer I'd post high on flu meds ;p

2

as such appreciated!

Psycogeek

archaic , only in most places, there are probably locations on earth, that is the only way to connect to the interwebs.

where do old computers go to live happy and productive lives ? youtube.com/watch?v=5aV_850nzv4 new users :-)

Journeyman Geek

02:13

hmm

nice, I'm posting this from my haiku VM ;p

Bob

03:33

@JourneymanGeek :D

Heh:

Your solution is the wrong one. Don't place files in the Windows or system folders. They chose those names for a reason: because they're for Windows system files. You're not creating one of those because you don't work for Microsoft on the Windows team. Remember what you learned in kindergarten about using things that don't belong to you without permission, and put your files anywhere but there. — Cody Gray Jan 13 '12 at 0:30

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

04:07

!!poke

John Cavil

@Bob I'm awake, I'm awake, stop poking me!

Bob

!!xkcd rand

John Cavil

@Bob Clearly, you're not geeky enough for XKCD.

Bob

D:

!!help xkcd

John Cavil

@Bob xkcd: Returns an XKCD. Call with no args for random, new for latest, or a number for a specific one.

Bob

04:10

!!xkcd

John Cavil

If the dysentery graph looks historically inaccurate it's because I got all my data from Oregon Trail.

For smaller numbers he has to SAVE lives. The birthrate channel is even more of a mixed bag.

Bob

05:37

public void ProcessClientTlb(string, string, string, string, string, string, string, out string, out string, out string)

That method signature...

Bob

06:14

It's too quiet in here.

Gowtham

07:04

Holy crap so many awesome games in Humble origin bundle :O

Bob

:S

"Awesome"

The only one I really care about, I already have :P

Gowtham

@Bob which one ?

Bob

@Gowtham Mirror's edge.

Journeyman Geek

07:18

lol. And crysis, if you ever want to answer the question 'but, will it run crysis?'

Gowtham

hmm getting this is going to be troublesome ...

Journeyman Geek

lol

I think I just made 800 dollars ;p

I really need to consider looking at air compressors so I can stop using canned air for things like keyboard cleaning

Gowtham

o0

what did you do ? :O

Journeyman Geek

@Gowtham: helped pack, check and ship a load of spares for a client of my dads

Gowtham

lol :D :D

John Cavil

07:27

@binghenzq Hey there! You're pretty special, aren't you? :)

Gowtham

!! tell binghenzq hi

John Cavil

@Gowtham Command hi does not exist. Did you mean: hi

Journeyman Geek

also helps I am the only one who knows how to use the carton strapper

John Cavil

@Gowtham Command hi learned

jokerdino

@Gowtham please stop

John Cavil

07:28

HAMMERTIME!

jokerdino

!!forget hi

John Cavil

@jokerdino Command hi forgotten.

Gowtham

:/

Journeyman Geek

!!forget hi

John Cavil

@JourneymanGeek Command hi learned

Journeyman Geek

07:29

;p

!!tell jokerdino hi

John Cavil

@jokerdino COWER

Journeyman Geek

hm

jokerdino

you need quotes

John Cavil

@JourneymanGeek Command hi forgotten.

@Gowtham Command hi learned

Gowtham

!! forget hi

John Cavil

07:30

@Gowtham Command hi forgotten.

jokerdino

!!tell @john hi

John Cavil

@jokerdino Command hi does not exist. Did you mean: hi

Journeyman Geek

lol

you did delete it ;p

Bob

O.O

23

Q: PDU wiring - is this normal (or even safe)?

I removed the side panel of our server rack so I can clean up some of the wiring. Inside I found the PDU was wired like in the picture. Instead of an incoming power cable, there's just 3 uninsulated spade connectors. Is there any reason for wiring it like this instead of using a C19 to appropr...

pdu

Psycogeek

Breaking Bad fans only youtube.com/watch?v=9nWjNgV_6yc funny or disturbing.

Bob

07:41

You might want to revise your checking for a better experience. Lets say I enter a password woot. That will fail because its too short. Then I do wootwootwoot. Now it fails because it has no numbers. Then w00twootwoot, fails no capital. Then W00twootwoot, fails no symbol. At which point unless I have to log into your application to do my job I'm going to throw a fit and go do something else. Revise your checking to tell me all of the password requirements up front and make the validation tell me all of the missing requirements if I don't hit them. — Freiheit yesterday

Psycogeek

07:55

@Bob good thing they told em. I have been there playing some guys assword game before. I do not remember if I ever actually did sign in. They say big long multiword phrases are very hard to "brute force". Like "howard drives a bmw" probably isnt in a passwords list.

Bob

@Psycogeek It's also important to avoid full dictionary words, though.

Now that multiword passphrases are becoming popular, I can see brute forcing methods using repetitions of dictionary words, which would be quite fast (since you'd effectively only have four 'spaces', if you use four words)

Of course, if you slip one not-really-dictionary-word, that could slow things down a lot.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob funny thing about that is the most highly upvoted answer... is not an answer

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Which one? The deathtrap-wiring or the rage-inducing-password-rules?

Journeyman Geek

the deathtrap wiring ;p

Ariane

I hate whoever had the awful idea of adding a Ctrl-R shortcut for reloading the page in Firefox.

Bob

08:00

@JourneymanGeek Eh, it kinda answers "is it safe"

@Ariane Adding?

It's been standard in browsers since the 90s. At least.

Ariane

Yeah. F5 wasn't enough, someone just had and go say "oh, hey, Ctrl-R is a good idea!"

Psycogeek

It is probably the password to get onto his website and post, or some such lesser things anyway. Myself i dont really care about someone aquiring my password for a Forum, and fake posting in my name. A strong password in "freedom of speech" situations just increases liability :-)

Bob

You could disable it in FF, if you wanted.

@Ariane F5 is not very intuitive, and not all keyboards even have F-keys.

Ariane

F5 is known by everyone, and I've never seen a keyboard lacking F keys. Not to mention Ctrl-R can only be remotely intuitive in English.

I just disabled it after it unexpectedly deleted about 3000 words I was about to post.

Bob

@Ariane "known by everyone" - er, no.

jokerdino

08:03

@Ariane Still better than Ctrl-Shift-W to close the window.

slhck

All other actions are mapped to Ctrl keys…

Ariane

@Bob Seriously, even my mother knows to "F5".

Psycogeek

@Ariane Some laptops , and mini keyboards, the Function keys are not very easy to do.

jokerdino

@Ariane not my mom

Ariane

@jokerdino Alt-F4?

slhck

08:04

@Psycogeek Macs don't have them enabled by default either.

Ariane

But Macs should die. D:

slhck

Nah, not yet.

Bob

@Ariane I wasn't aware that your mother was "everyone".

Psycogeek

@Ariane If Mac died MS would have zero competition. and it would make PCs worse than they are now.

Ariane

@Bob She holds for my standard of "everyone", being someone who is pretty awful with computers.

slhck

08:06

Anyway, I think F5 is a terrible shortcut, probably just legacy they didn't want to deactivate just yet.

Ariane

@Psycogeek I hate Macs too much to rationalize like that. o.o

jokerdino

@slhck Yeah, I use Ctrl-R more than F5.

Ariane

What are function keys for if they're not used? They're not there to make sense, they're there to be practical.

Bob

Function key

A function key is a key on a computer or terminal keyboard which can be programmed so as to cause an operating system command interpreter or application program to perform certain actions. On some keyboards/computers, function keys may have default actions, accessible on power-on. Function keys on a terminal may either generate short fixed sequences of characters, often beginning with the escape character (ASCII 27), or the characters they generate may be configured by sending special character sequences to the terminal. On a standard computer keyboard, the function keys may generate ...

Function keys are probably amongst the most vendor-dependent. Not so much these days, but there's still some odd ones out there.

Ariane

Mmmh? Basically I've always seen them as a mixed bunch of program-dependent shortcuts, simply.

Bob

08:09

> program-dependent

Because that's great for standardisation!

jokerdino

it's also hardware-dependent.

and sometimes, the media keys are on by default

and you have to flip them in BIOS

Ariane

@Bob I think there's a reasonable limit of standardization and non-standardization that I don't find unreasonable to reach.

For example I think it's a bit silly that in Word the keyboard shortcuts follow the program's language (like, Bold is Ctrl-G for French because it's "Gras"), but I absolutely don't despise it for putting on F4, an arguably very random key, the very practical function of replicating a transformation.

(If you're curious, Ctrl-B, for some reason, brings the Ctrl-H window, in a French installation of Word. Nope, no idea why, because there's no B in "rechercher et remplacer"

Bob

Just don't be this guy.

jokerdino

Should have learnt French in school. :/

Ariane

What did you learn instead?

jokerdino

08:15

Java

Ariane

@Bob Lol.

Bob

Eh. I'm completely horrible with languages,

Psycogeek

@Ariane I always end up rearranging keyshorts to make it more intuititive. H=Health G=Grenade , then i always run out before i am done H=Holster G=Guass weapon.

Bob

:S

Ariane

@jokerdino Oh lol, I thought you'd chosen another option, like spanish or latin or something.

Bob

08:15

I tried Latin. Came this close to failing it.

jokerdino

@Ariane I thought computer languages are cooler than human languages and went with CompSci.

I hope it's not too late to pick some more languages.

Bob

@jokerdino Sure, you can take C# next.

jokerdino

Learn a bit of Mandarin, Hindi and maybe some French and Spanish.

Ariane

@Psycogeek Unless they're especially awful I always most of them as is. Even if only to not be thrown off balance elsewhere.

Gowtham

Mandarin @_@

jokerdino

08:17

@Bob Hah, I heard it's quite easy.

Gowtham

@jokerdino C# is like Java

jokerdino

@Gowtham but less horrible?

Ariane

@jokerdino But wait, don't you get to uhm. Do both? I mean, isn't other languages something that comes way before any career choice? Like uhm. How everyone started English in grade 4 or 5 when I was a child, and now it's more like 2-3.

jokerdino

@Ariane I am bilingual so thought that was good enough.

Gowtham

@jokerdino I suppose so ;p

Ariane

08:18

@jokerdino Oh, so you did learn at least one other language. That's reassuring.

Bob

@jokerdino I would consider it less horrible. But, then, I use C#. And I hate Java. So, my opinion might be slightly biased.

jokerdino

@Ariane yeah I learnt English in school.

Bob

@Ariane Wait, languages come before career choice? o.O

Ariane

Wait, what, it was learnt, not learned? o.o

@Bob Of course they do. What, did you only see your mother language all the way until it was time for college?

Bob

"Learnt" is quite common in non-American English.

jokerdino

08:20

@Bob don't give us away

Bob

@Ariane Well, they had language classes. I just fail at languages.

Ariane

Well then, it does come before.

Bob

Then again, not many really went past basic introductory stuff anyway.

@Ariane Oh, I thought you meant 'more important than'.

Gowtham

Je suis ecoutez Francais

Bob

But, arguably, every other class is preparing you for your future career.

Except English.

Ariane

08:21

@Gowtham I hereby announce that you have said something entirely nonsensical.

Bob

This reminds me.

Ariane

Also, I hate spelling disputes in English. It's always so incredibly annoying. They should just agree on one.

Bob

I was looking at my Windows phone's settings the other day. Language choices:

jokerdino

I think he said Jesus escorted French out of the world.

Bob

US English. UK English. Indian English? o.O

2

jokerdino

08:22

@Bob lol

Ariane

@jokerdino Nope, he said I am, please listen, French person.

jokerdino

@Ariane how racist.

Ariane

How? xD

Gowtham

Indian English

Indian English is the group of English dialects spoken primarily in the Indian subcontinent. As a result of British colonial rule until Indian independence in 1947, English is an official language of India and is widely used in both spoken and literary contexts. The rapid growth of India's economy towards the end of the 20th century led to large-scale population migration between regions of the Indian subcontinent and the establishment of English as a common lingua franca between those speaking diverse mother tongues. With the exception of the relatively small Anglo-Indian community an...

o_O

jokerdino

Calling a French French is racist.

@Gowtham you didn't know?

Ariane

08:23

It's not. xD

Gowtham

@jokerdino nope

Ariane

Is Indian English significantly different from British English?

jokerdino

@Ariane not quite if you are Indian.

But if you are anyone else, you can tell they are a bit different.

Ariane

And if you aren't? I mean, apart from the accent or something, are there additional spellings and stuff?

jokerdino

like godown, preponed, pluck the flowers, do the needful, etc

slhck

08:24

do the needful… omg

2

Gowtham

Indian English

Indian English is the group of English dialects spoken primarily in the Indian subcontinent. As a result of British colonial rule until Indian independence in 1947, English is an official language of India and is widely used in both spoken and literary contexts. The rapid growth of India's economy towards the end of the 20th century led to large-scale population migration between regions of the Indian subcontinent and the establishment of English as a common lingua franca between those speaking diverse mother tongues. With the exception of the relatively small Anglo-Indian community an...

Ariane

That sounds like prostitution.

3

Bob

@Gowtham The colloquialism list seems dodgy.

Ariane

Don't answer questions with a link that you've already posted. x.x

jokerdino

also "I have a doubt, sir"

slhck

08:25

Classic.

Bob

@Ariane It's a more specific link.

Oneboxing doesn't reflect that.

Ariane

I see.

jokerdino

@Ariane I don't think there are much references to such places in IndE.

Ariane

So basically, just expressions and stuff? Okay, I was scared there would be OTHER spelling debates.

jokerdino

in spelling regards, IndE follows BritE

Gowtham

08:26

@Bob A lot of phrases from that list are used, it varies based on the state you live in ;p

jokerdino

India being a commonwealth, much like Aussies

Bob

> club = to merge or put two things together. "Just club it together."

How is that an Indianism? o.O

slhck

@Bob Do you know that phrase as well?

Bob

I swear I've heard it.. pretty much everywhere.

Ariane

@Bob Maybe it's coincidentally a regional expression of more than one place.

Bob

08:27

@slhck It's a fairly common phrase.

jokerdino

@Bob they probably clubbed it into the list.

Gowtham

@Bob [citation needed]

jokerdino

@Bob didn't you meet a lot of Indians in Aus?

4/5 = 4 by 5.
4*5 = 4 into 5.

that thing would puzzle a lot of people.

Ariane

4 by 5 exists in French, BTW.

Gowtham

Also a' is pronounced as a dash in my college

jokerdino

08:29

a dash or a prime

Bob

@jokerdino Fair few, yes. Never attributed that phrase to India, though.

@Gowtham That's the pronunciation we use in maths (derivatives).

jokerdino

@Bob I don't either. I assume it is English

Gowtham

@Bob but it's wrong

Ariane

Who cares about wrongness? It's more fun to pronounce that way.

jokerdino

You can't call Indian English wrong. It's just another language.

Ariane

08:31

Eh, idiom maybe, language, far-fetched.

Bob

@Gowtham uefap.com/speaking/symbols/symbols.htm

jokerdino

okay, let's call it a variant.

Bob

f'(x) f dash; derivative

f''x f double-dash; second derivative

f'''(x) f triple-dash; f treble-dash; third derivative

jokerdino

I failed my calculus. Let's stop.

Gowtham

lol i am used to calling it prime ;p

John Cavil

08:32

HAMMERTIME!

Ariane

Also I pronounce " / " "dash", if you want some more weirdness.

Gowtham

o0

Bob

Prime (symbol)

The prime symbol ( ′ ), double prime symbol ( ″ ), and triple prime symbol ( ), etc., are used to designate several different units, and for various other purposes in mathematics, the sciences, linguistics and music. The prime symbol should not be confused with the apostrophe, single quotation mark, acute accent or grave accent; the double prime should not be confused with the double quotation mark, the ditto mark, or the letter double apostrophe. It is very similar to the Hebrew geresh, but in modern fonts the geresh is designed to be aligned with th...

Ariane

@Bob Wtf, treble? Isn't that a sound adjustment?

slhck

@Ariane Why not "accent"?

Ariane

08:32

@slhck Because it's a slash, not an accent.

Bob

@Ariane Also another way of saying "triple"

Ariane

@Bob Never knew. Sounds like "troubled" to be honest. xD

jokerdino

@Ariane - or -- is dash. / is slash

slhck

@Ariane Oh, you meant the slash. Well that sure is weird :P

Bob

> From Old French treble, from Latin triplus.

Ariane

08:33

@jokerdino I know. But I pronounce a slash a dash because it's more fun. And because of a humorist I like.

Bob

Adjective

treble (not comparable)

    Threefold, triple.  [quotations ▼]
    (music) Pertaining to the highest singing voice or part in harmonized music; soprano.
    High in pitch; shrill.

jokerdino

Good thing we have a bunch of amateur linguists here. it's fun.

slhck

@jokerdino Combine half-baked knowledge with bashing on languages—awesome.

jokerdino

@Gowtham did anything for Independence day today?

Bob

Well, time to go home.

jokerdino

08:34

@slhck LOL, we are all armchair experts anyway

@Bob ciao

Gowtham

@jokerdino Went to college, bunked the function.

jokerdino

I didn't show up anywhere. WIN.

Ariane

Canada being close to the US, we're subject to "infection" but we're a country of the Commonwealth too. Which means that we have a nice mix of optional and less optional preferences with British and American spellings. Which is why I hate these dual spellings so much. They make my life hard, and they make me correct myself twice or thrice on things that were in theory correct anyway. And then I need to consider who I'm talking to and how weird they maybe might find some spelling.

Which is why I brought up the topic to begin with. Because I'm annoyed. D:

jokerdino

yeah, it's weird you are bothered about spelling when talking with people.

Ariane

Well, because some people are occasionally bothered by it.

Like, for a while, I'd taken on the habit of using "-ise", but then someone found it really weird so I switched to "-ize"

jokerdino

08:37

The former is American and the later is British.

Ariane

I know.

jokerdino

Just reminding myself :P

Ariane

Oh yeah, and there's practice / practise

Gowtham

I use them both ;p

slhck

Well, it's even harder for people who don't speak English as their native language. You'll have to decide on AmE or BrE and stick to that.

jokerdino

08:38

@Ariane no idea which one is verb.

Ariane

Apparently, the action of spelling it practice in every situation is specifically Canadian.

slhck

@jokerdino "practice" is both a noun and a verb.

jokerdino

ah, I thought it was like advice/advise.

Ariane

I learned a while ago that for Americans there's a different spelling for verb and noun, and that for British it's always practise. If I remember well. Something like that. Anyway I was like.... But why doesn't it sound like practize then?

slhck

@jokerdino Nope, that's different. Damn exceptions :P

Psycogeek

08:40

I prefer to speak caveman, its much easier. Emu grep mouse find bug goto pascal, make firefox, mux root bash pidgin eat good, Umm google.

Ariane

Me no understands.

jokerdino

@slhck fork this thing man. more exceptions than Python

slhck

lol

Ariane

@slhck Eh? But I thought it was only in Canada that we considered "practice" a valid spelling for both?

slhck

@Ariane As far as I know, it's okay to use both in AmE.

Ariane

08:41

Could you stop using those abbreviations? I keep reading Amex. xD

Also, I'm curious... On the right, the starred stuff. What's a white and a black star?

jokerdino

it's a valid abbrev.

slhck

> British, Canadian, Australian and New Zealand English distinguish between practice (a noun) and practise (a verb), analogously with advice/advise. In American English, practice is commonly used for both forms, and this is also common in Canada.

jokerdino

@Ariane pinned messages stay on top for 14 days.

Ariane

Yeah but it messes with my brain.

Gowtham

Pinned messages are annoying -_-

Ariane

08:42

@jokerdino Pinned... Those are white stars? And they're pinned by a mod?

slhck

@Ariane Yep, mod or chat owner.

Ariane

I see.

Gowtham

How the hell am I supposed to have fun with the bot if sq pins up a message like that :C

Ariane

I don't think that's the purpose of the bot. :p

Journeyman Geek

lol

Gowtham

08:43

!! tell 10802302 no

Bob

@joker ize is more American

John Cavil

slhck

I don't think the bot has a purpose at all.

Journeyman Geek

you need to reprogram your brain ;p

Bob

ise ids more British

jokerdino

08:43

@Bob really?

Bob

Australia is very ise

Gowtham

ise ?

Bob

yea, least on wiki

Ariane

Standardise.

Bob

can't link, on phone

jokerdino

08:45

organize/organise

what about organization/organisation?

z = amer and s = brit?

Ariane

I think it's the same.

I believe so.

Gowtham

orgaise = IndE

Journeyman Geek

lol

jokerdino

@Gowtham lol no. that's GowthamE

Journeyman Geek

proper indian spelling is british. Its also very rare.

Ariane

08:46

Hey. If advise and advice sound the same, if there's a distinction sometimes between practice and practise, how come they sound the same (despite an S between two vowels being supposed to make a Z sound.)

Gowtham

3 mins ago, by Gowtham

Pinned messages are annoying -_-

@jokerdino -_-

Journeyman Geek

also, yeah americans use z, brits use s. Also brits use more u. Like Colour and Armour

jokerdino

@Gowtham inside joke

Gowtham

@jokerdino :O

Bob

fuck, missed my train

jokerdino

08:47

@JourneymanGeek z as in zed or zee?

Ariane

Zee? XD

jokerdino

or is it ezed

Journeyman Geek

Amusingly, Zed if you're british or french

zee if you're american

jokerdino

what about us?

Gowtham

@Bob oops :C

jokerdino

08:48

@Bob blame @JourneymanGeek

Ariane

Of course. Zee sounds... eh. Well it's close to the childish name for penis in French.

Gowtham

Cause of this conversation ??

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino: don't make me savage your ankles.

2

jokerdino

@Ariane uh

@JourneymanGeek kidding man, don't do that.

@Gowtham I talked about learning French in school.

Journeyman Geek

I haven't bitten anyone in years ;p

Gowtham

08:49

@JourneymanGeek what's that supposed to mean o0

Ariane

Come to think of it, I don't remember the last time I bit someone. I think it wasn't all that long ago, too...

Gowtham

@jokerdino Racist

Journeyman Geek

@Gowtham: It means exactly what it means.

jokerdino

@Gowtham well played.

@Ariane naughty naughty

Bob

o.o

Ariane

08:50

Well if I did bite someone I was probably suffering and it was my only means of defense. There's no other explanation.

Bob

This conversation has taken a distinctly weird course.

Ariane

Though I don't remember such an aggression, which makes it weird.

slhck

@jokerdino Btw, Americans pronounce "naughty" and "knotty" the same, so you could have "naughty hair" as well.

Journeyman Geek

(lol

or you were a baby.

babies bite people, crawl around on 4 legs, and often are leashed.

Ariane

@slhck What? But doesn't "gh" always sound like "f"?

jokerdino

08:51

@slhck so haught

Gowtham

@JourneymanGeek so do cats

Journeyman Geek

and telling babies or dogs 'sic em boy' is considered impolite.

Ariane

Oh no actually

slhck

@Ariane No, not always. Exceptions all the way.

Journeyman Geek

@Gowtham: leash.. a cat?

Ariane

08:52

In draught it only lengthens the sound.

Journeyman Geek

ghoti?

Gowtham

bad bbbad idea

roti ?

Ariane

Anyway.

Bob

i before e except after c and over a hundred other exceptions (literally)

Journeyman Geek

maybe Ghoughpteighbteau

jokerdino

08:53

@Bob but what about science?

Ariane

Wait what?

cgh? Where the heck is there such a combination of letters?

Journeyman Geek

Ghoti

Ghoti is a constructed word used to illustrate irregularities in English spelling. It is a respelling of the word fish: i.e., it is supposed to be pronounced . It comprises these phonemes: * gh, pronounced as in tough ; * o, pronounced as in women ; and * ti, pronounced as in nation . An early known published reference is in 1874, citing an 1855 letter that credits ghoti to one William Ollier Jr (born 1824). Ghoti is often cited to support the English spelling reform, and is often attributed to George Bernard Shaw,Holroyd, Michael, Bernard Shaw: Volume III: 1918–1950: The Lure of Fanta...

Gowtham

@JourneymanGeek O_O

jokerdino

@Ariane i comes after the letter e in a word except if there is c. but clearly, the word science is an exception for that exception

Ariane

Because of the dual consonant sound sc.

@JourneymanGeek What? Whoever pronounces "women" "wimen"?

jokerdino

08:55

@JourneymanGeek now i remember. ghoti is pronounced like fish

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane: actually a lot of people.

Ariane

Haaaaah?

o.o

jokerdino

@Ariane ain't how its supposed to be?

Bob

that's the standard pronunciation

Ariane

Uh, I've never heard it otherwise than pronounced with a properly sounding o. o.o

Even by my English speaking English teachers. o.o

Bob

08:56

that's just weird

slhck

That's really weird. It's definitely "wimen".

jokerdino

woman vs wimen

Gowtham

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Q: Why is "women" pronounced the way it is?

As far as I know, it is the only word where wo is pronounced as wee. What is the reason for this? Does it have to do with the origin of the word?

pronunciation

Ariane

Well what's weird is to arbitrarily pronounce a consonant otherwise, from my perspective.

jokerdino

You can thank English.

Ariane

08:58

@Gowtham That looks interesting but because of "M.E." I don't understand the bolded sentence.

slhck

Middle English

Middle English describes dialects of English in the history of the English language between the High and Late Middle Ages, or roughly during the three centuries between the late 12th and the late 15th century. Middle English developed out of Late Old English in Norman England (1066–1154) and was spoken throughout the Plantagenet era (1154–1485). The Middle English period ended at about 1470, when the Chancery Standard, a form of London-based English, began to become widespread, a process aided by the introduction of the printing press to England by William Caxton in the late 1470s. By t...

Bob

middle English?

Ariane

Oh.

Bob

English is an amalgamation of a LOT of languages

Gowtham

bolded ? o0

Ariane

08:59

Put in bold. Doesn't that exist?

jokerdino

@Bob yeah they borrow a lot

@Gowtham the bold part in the answer you linked to ELU

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