Root Access

Canadian Luke

00:00

I do weird things, like SSHing to work, then running a VNC viewer to my workstation, so that I'm always logged in

Psycogeek

@CanadianLuke No, i got a sellphone, it hooks up to a tower, if i climb up there.

Boris_yo

@CanadianLuke Me too but I use Skype rarely.

Canadian Luke

Must... Not... Correct... Everyone on Net!

Skype is with me everywhere

Psycogeek

@CanadianLuke Well then who is going to do it?

Boris_yo

@CanadianLuke They should make Skype TV ad starring you with your phrase "Skype is with me everywhere".

Canadian Luke

00:03

To people who don't use proper English on purpose: bash.org/?367896

@Boris_yo With cables coming out of the back of my neck?

And a satellite dish pointing at me all the time

And a bubble noise every step I take?

Psycogeek

@CanadianLuke ahh so capitolisation is about breeding horses with insemination? I had to do a video for that, i felt sorry for the horse.

Canadian Luke

Something like that...

Psycogeek

But I got the money shot

Canadian Luke

On camera? Otherwise, it's useless

Boris_yo

@CanadianLuke Hah! Wait I thought you can jack off of Matrix only?

Canadian Luke

00:08

I'm watching a YouTube series about learning C++... And he's wanting us to nest multiple if statements, so far up to 5 deep!

@Boris_yo Jack IN to the Matrix... What happens in the Matrix, stays on YouTube

Psycogeek

lol

Boris_yo

@CanadianLuke Sounds like ifception...

Canadian Luke

Just sounds retarded to me... But it's great to listen to in the background lol

Psycogeek

@CanadianLuke When I do that with batches, i have to number them, and setup output to see. Your at test1 now, made it to 2, it jumped to this goto at 3.

Canadian Luke

If I use ifs, I at least use else if so it's not nested, but part of the same system

BRB, gonna start server reinstallation

tapped-out

00:13

teamctrlaltdelete.weebly.com/1/post/2013/08/…

o.O

you could hurt someone with that thing

Psycogeek

@tapped-out Then give it back to your kid, and watch the fun start.

Boris_yo

Gotta shut down for tonight. Time to sleep and regenerate.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo brotherpeacemaker.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/…

Journeyman Geek

@CanadianLuke I got a VDI off the internet. yanno, eyepatches and such.

Canadian Luke

Got a link @JourneymanGeek?

Journeyman Geek

00:25

I think I had BEOS running as well

there's a legit download of it floating around

Canadian Luke

:)

Journeyman Geek

@CanadianLuke: in addition to the ecomstation link in my comment, there's a server called hobbes that has a lot of useful os/2 stuff

Canadian Luke

Good to know :) I always wanted to play with it

:( UNetBootIn didn't work on my flash drive

Journeyman Geek

@CanadianLuke: its kind of annoying at first. I'm not yet over that magical point where everything becomes easy

now, I wonder if there's an OS2 irc client

Canadian Luke

00:40

If not, I'm sure there's a terminal based one or web based one that still works

If not, time to learn programming!

nhinkle

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Q: How to delete "Program Files (x86)" folder after windows login

I need to delete Program Files (x86) folder. I can't delete it because some dll files cannot be deleted. One of the first of them is "common/.../dao360.dll" I am following this tutorial: http://www.001easytricks.com/2012/06/delete-program-files-x86-from-windows-7.html I've tried to change ow...

"Nobody in their right mind would ever do that" should be a vote-to-close reason on #StackExchange

Tweeted by nrhinkle on February 13, 2011 at 9:15 PM

Journeyman Geek

@nhinkle: ping!

nhinkle

@JourneymanGeek pong?

Journeyman Geek

@nhinkle: I have no idea what an article to do with os/2 (or old oses) would entail ;p

nhinkle

@JourneymanGeek not about OS/2, but about that very question - why old computers run slow. I'm envisioning something like installing an old OS + browsers from that era on an old computer, and then trying to install some new browsers on the same computer, and seeing how they work out.

Journeyman Geek

00:49

ahh

I THINK I have a PIII somewhere

nhinkle

You don't have to, of course. I just thought it would be cool. And something you'd be quite capable of doing.

Journeyman Geek

yeah ;p

The availability of old systems would be the only issue I forsee ;p

nhinkle

Ah, yes.

Well, you can always try to emulate it with a really slow VM, but that's not the same really. At all.

tapped-out

i have a PII sitting on my desk right now :P

Canadian Luke

I got 3x PII, 1x PIII (with SSE), and some old-ass servers sitting in my room right now

Journeyman Geek

00:53

nope

nhinkle

I need to head home. Talk to you guys later!

Journeyman Geek

totally not the same ;p

I think the oldest system I have at the moment is my SGI octane

and I have no clue if it works

tapped-out

i'd send you it @JourneymanGeek but shipping costs to Singapore for a 10lb fragile package... ;P

Journeyman Geek

no real point ;p

Canadian Luke

Drive safe @nhinkle

Journeyman Geek

00:59

@tapped-out: would make more sense to actually try and test various things and share results

tapped-out

@JourneymanGeek yup

XP should actually run okay-ish on it, hmm...

the real pain factor, if i was to do any experimentation, is 1) no CD-ROM and 2) slooow USB (1.0) ports

Journeyman Geek

lol

tapped-out

i think my dad has a couple of SLT/286s in the closet

and at least one compaq luggable

several Pentium MMX laptops

Journeyman Geek

01:15

hm, opera dosen't seem to download stuff ;p

Journeyman Geek

01:41

eh, I seriously need to find a simple, text mode search engine

tapped-out

goosh.org doesn't do it for ya?

(i realize it isn't "true" text mode, but still)

Journeyman Geek

01:57

lol

@tapped-out: I can only download things with netscape on os/2, google dosen't work very well

:)

IRC working XDXDXD

tapped-out

you could use Opera for web browsing/Google and wget (i believe there's DOS builds for it [OS/2 supports DOS binaries right?]) for downloading...

Journeyman Geek

presumably

I'm still wrapping my head around this wierd monstrocity

tapped-out

i need to find a copy... my neighbor (who worked for IBM) probably has a copy or few

Journeyman Geek

lol

You would need a floppy drive (or an emulated one)

tapped-out

not a problem :P

Journeyman Geek

02:04

If you're running it on a VM, you probably pretty much must run virtualbox

tapped-out

@JourneymanGeek check

or, if i search around long enough, someone's bound to have a cough image of it already configured

Journeyman Geek

I'd try a place of eyepatches and magnets.

nhinkle

02:23

@CanadianLuke *bike ;)

tapped-out

ick. someone i do computer repair for came in with the sickest sounding hard drive i've ever heard... no way i'm getting data off it

even the freezer did nothing

Gowtham

bleh, no chat in SE's official android app ;p

Journeyman Geek

02:44

lol

@tapped-out: might be an actual, complete head crash

which is fun to open up

ruda.almeida

@JourneymanGeek Weird, for some reason SU chose to not notify me of this message.

Journeyman Geek

thats odd

ruda.almeida

I'm trying to write an answer that takes both standard adherence and processing power into consideration, but my brain seems to be into Homer Simpson mode

Journeyman Geek

lol

@ruda.almeida: eheh. I wish my old PCs weren't mostly dead

ruda.almeida

►

Journeyman Geek

02:56

amusingly, I didn't know opera worked on that system until that question. The original answer only had the messed up netscape screenie

ruda.almeida

Journeyman Geek

lol

ruda.almeida

WTF CLIPPY IS TROLLING ME!

Journeyman Geek

lol

@ruda.almeida: a useful thing to think about is how shitty a system can we go?

I've managed video streaming with vlc with 256 but not 128 mb of ram.

unless someone has the time, and cajones to dig up and set up a PII

ruda.almeida

2

Journeyman Geek

03:01

or worse

I THINK @benrichards has a 486

ruda.almeida

@JourneymanGeek Hm, I do remember a related thread on thedailyWTF...

Journeyman Geek

lol

ruda.almeida

@JourneymanGeek I had a working tape-based MSX. Somewhere between 2002 and now someone threw it away :(

Journeyman Geek

@ruda.almeida: well, getting it on the internet would be... interesting

:/

no respect for old gear

I have a monitorless SGI octane under my desk

need to boot it up some time ;p

ruda.almeida

@JourneymanGeek The tread I mentioned was "contest for getting the oldest hardware online with http conectivity" IIRC. There was ancient stuff. Can't finde the URL

Journeyman Geek

03:05

ahh

ruda.almeida

In 2009 some rnadom guy sold me an 90's iMac for $20 bucks. While trying to figure out how the hell I'd open it I managed to break it even more.

Journeyman Geek

lol

the candy macs?

ruda.almeida

Yep

AHA! Found it!

"The challenge: Take the oldest, most underpowered, decrepit piece of junk you can find, get it to load this thread, and take a picture of it (on a wooden table, if possible). The rules: The computer must speak TCP and HTTP directly to the web server." forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/26427/298279.aspx#298279

Journeyman Geek

the liberettos are awesome

.... <3

ooh, when stuff crashes in os/2 it gives register information

ruda.almeida

Well, I'm off to sleep before my brain goes into pankace mode.

Ben Richards

04:37

@JourneymanGeek I had a 486-SX (until I fried it). It hasn't worked since I was in highschool.

Canadian Luke

I hate OSX right now...

Psycogeek

04:49

I lose a mere inch of monitor space by going from a 16x10 to a 16x9 of the same basic size, and I miss that extra inch so badly :-(

why do I keep looking for it, it is not like I lost a toe

Canadian Luke

Actually, it is... You're going from an awesome, balanced 10 down to 9

Psycogeek

@CanadianLuke I am still trying to figure out how this "wide" stuff is relative to human views, when my eyeballs are still ROUND [ @ ]

nhinkle

I want a 2560x1600 screen, but I shan't complain about 2560x1440.

I wish 16:10 were more in style though.

Now they have like 21:9 or some crap like that. WTF?

Canadian Luke

@Psycogeek Cause our eyes, added up, are wider then high

Psycogeek

@CanadianLuke hmm, why dont they make wide peepholes, and wide binoculars :-)

Could it be that it comes from viewing out the front of a windshield a bit to often?

Canadian Luke

04:58

@Psycogeek I would love to say something about that, but I feel others may construe it as racist... So I will refrain this time

Psycogeek

Just like thier reality when in the Cage.

@CanadianLuke yes that could be, but the lens system still is mostly round there too

Canadian Luke

But, they're stacked side by side

Psycogeek

@CanadianLuke Ahhh, but they aint like on both sides like a horse.

If they were , then 2 round monitors would work :-)

Canadian Luke

Nah

BBL

Psycogeek

@nhinkle I was looking at those super wide ones too, Replace 2 monitors (side by side) mabey with no split?

nhinkle

05:09

It just seems really weird.

Psycogeek

Except that one costs the same as 3 monitors

nhinkle

I'd rather have 3 separate monitors anyways.

Psycogeek

Right now i only use 2nd monitor as "That other junk over there that does not need to be seen as often, but I do not want to push a button every time to see it"

nhinkle

At home I'm mostly on my laptop but at work, I have 2 monitors and wish I had more. They're always full of stuff.

But our IT infrastructure is just bad at work regardless.

Journeyman Geek

lol

i miss working with two monitors

but then again, I'm working with 2 systems, running between 1 to 3 vms on one of them ;p

Psycogeek

05:22

@JourneymanGeek The few times i ran 2 systems, i wanted to translate the view, and the input devices , to a single monitor. But i think i got better exercise chair hopping between them. Plus i had spares of everything.

--- Weird stuff, what if everyone used google search to find out everything? (no dupes) There wouldnt be anything in the search :-)

Psycogeek

06:17

A review for a monitor that is shipped with all cardboard instead of styrofoam. ""Other Thoughts: If for some reason you need to RMA this, good luck repacking it. The cardboard suspension in the box was apparently designed by an origami grand master.""

Journeyman Geek

06:55

my school is stupid. They lost my leave application and didn't send me the reenrollment form for this term until I called them

Bob

07:07

@JourneymanGeek o.o

wait, is this that WA uni?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: the local campus is run by an industry body

well one of them

Bob

Ooh, Visionnaire update.

Journeyman Geek

07:48

eheh

apparently bing won't load on opera 5

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek looks like it is working fine , to me

Journeyman Geek

well, better than it does in netscape

Psycogeek

all the goods without any of the goodies.

Bob

Hm. I have a bottle of sashimi soy sauce and a bottle of sushi soy sauce here.

Same brand, same bottle type, same brand, different label and cap colour. Smells the same, same ingredients, nutritional info.

Psycogeek

mabey you still need to install the old java, and flash

Bob

07:53

I'm confused.

@Psycogeek Bing does not require any content plugins.

Psycogeek

@Bob salt, burt meat, water, vinegar, msg, what else would they need?

Bob

@Psycogeek You got two of them right.

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: might be the same thing

or different quantities of water

@Bob: I think they use HTML5 stuff

Bob

@JourneymanGeek different labels, side by side on the shelf

@JourneymanGeek nutritional info is the same

Journeyman Geek

lol

same stuff!

Product differenciation at its best!

Bob

07:56

o.o

Psycogeek

@JourneymanGeek How to take up more shelf space for your brand, call it different things.

Add in the no msg version, the low sodium version, the kosher version, and call one vegan style, and you got a whole shelf

Bob

@Psycogeek They were the only two.

also, there isn't MSG anyway

and there's nothing wrong with MSG

Psycogeek

@Bob the only reaction that i have seen people have with MSG was, It was so good they ate to dang much.

Bob

> The "MSG symptom complex" was originally termed the "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" when Robert Ho Man Kwok anecdotally reported the symptoms he felt after an American-Chinese meal. Kwok suggested multiple reasons behind the symptoms, including alcohol from cooking with wine, the sodium content, or the MSG seasoning. But MSG became the focus and the symptoms have been associated with MSG ever since.

lots of fear over nothing proved

Psycogeek

They of course attributed it to the msg, not thier budda belly :-)

Bib did you try hot fudge sauce in your pen yet? It might not flow well, but wetting the tip would be better, and it is finger licking good, when you get it on everything.

Then you could write sweet notes on ricepaper

Start up a service for it . SweetLoveNotes.com

Bob

08:17

@Psycogeek I think I'll pass.

Psycogeek

vegamite?

tbodt

08:32

I would like to find out about the easter egg that I think pops up when I type this message.

Psycogeek

@tbodt did it pop up?

tbodt

Yes it did. Try it yourself.

Psycogeek

@tbodt I tried it here instead achicken.com But then mabey AHEN.COM would have been a better choice to get an egg?

tbodt

I would like to find out about the easter egg that I think pops up when I type this message.

This is what popped up:

Psycogeek

@tbodt and did WireGuy give you very useful help?

tbodt

08:46

@Psycogeek The "Yes, please" button just searches for "the easter egg that you think pops up when you type this message" on superuser.

Psycogeek

ahhh

I wish to summon the grand exhaulted Clippy , hapless clown of all stack exchange chats.

Nope :-(

Hennes

Sniggers at superuser.com/questions/628501/…

Psycogeek

found this one at Server Fault webunknown.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/…

@Hennes now who says we cant have fun at superuser ?

Hennes

09:31

Time for breakfast

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Hello and difference between goods and goodies is...?

Sathya

-1

Q: Skydrive in Windows 8.1 highly loads HDD, RAM, CPU and NETWORK

I have not putted anything to the Skydrive dir, but there was some Skydrive process which loads HDD (5MB/s), CPU (~25%), RAM (1GB) and network (5MB/s). It seems that FBI downloaded some data from my PC. What do you think what is it?

security privacy skydrive windows-8.1-preview windows-8.1

troll fail.

Bob

09:47

54 mins ago, by Hennes

Sniggers at http://superuser.com/questions/628501/skydrive-in-windows-8-1-highly-loads-hdd-ram-cpu-and-network

Sathya

@Bob ah

Psycogeek

10:19

@Boris_yo In that referance I was suggesting that "the goods" the important commodity , the meat, the nessiary items were in existance. . But the fluff and poof and art, " the goodies" The delightfull or pleasing things were not.

Hennes

11:08

RAR!

I just beat the Devil in Candy box

Mostly ignore the game for a few weeks to get more HP

And I beat myself. Fire Scroll. first time

Damn popup. Now they are blocking RAID. :-)

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Q: Raid Accelerator does not load on windows 7 after start up with SATA drives

I have a raid system already on my computer however when Windows loads the service does not run, I can open the Intel storage accelerator program but it states a pop up has failed and the service is not started. The Machine is question is a Dell 8400 built in 2006, it came with windows XP and a f...

desktop

Hennes

11:22

Hmm, Chuck Norris. Go on quest: do nothing.
Bring CN down to 1/3rd of his HP :)

chuecks CN into the sun. Good bye and good riddance.

Oliver Salzburg

12:03

@Hennes That didn't work at all for me. And paying the 1m wasn't that big of a deal anyway :P

Hennes

Paying ?

2516 HP helps :)

Oliver Salzburg

@Hennes So? "You" had 2516 HP then as well :P

Hennes

HP++ for the CN fight. Fire scroll for myself

Oliver Salzburg

Yeah, so, as I said, fire scroll didn't work at all for me, I payed the 1m to surpass myself

Hennes

Fire scroll requires some timing near the end

Psycogeek

12:33

0

A: ECC memory on 2nd Gen Intel i3

There is not enough room in the comments to fit all this, here is what I have so far, it might save some reading for others. The discussions on the web were indicating that now that the memory controller is on the CPU itself, on consumer CPUs Intel had disabled the ability of the memory control...

oh well. serverfault sent this here. it was fun to research, because i am still interested in a possible server board (for desktop). but it ends up back as a server in my analisis ??

It was a server motherboard, he was asking about server memory (mostly), just wanted to find out if he could shove a cheap chip in :-)

Hennes

12:53

edits

aadivrirya

@Hennes ha ha ha ... nice one

Hennes

Ok, a nitpick edit with capitalisations and some typos.

Psycogeek

@Hennes thanks, but it is still missing the only thing he was really asking.

My guess is asking intel direct would not get a fact answer beyond the data sheet either. I guess next would be to find the PDF datasheet and analise the entire processor architechture.

Hennes

I assume that the I3 completely lacks ECC. Intel is quite good at making many variations of their CPUs and optimising yields with only the needed silicon on the die.

(unlike their older celeron-1 which where fully dual-CPU capable if you just wired the socket differently)

However I guess the big question is:
1) I do want ECC for full memeory safety>
2) Can I do unsafe cheap tricks to be safer? ... uhm,... wait

Psycogeek

@Hennes so your not buying the "intel disables everything to charge us more" conspiracy discussion?

Hennes

13:01

Nah.

Intel disables and does not test a lot of things.

If you get a intel or AMD CPU both may disable features to sell a 'different' product.

But that is on the same die

And E# does not have a GPU

Psycogeek

@Hennes I have had both ecc and not. and I aint buying it . cosmic rays my butt :-)

somequixotic

i agree with Hennes - if you were somehow able to enable all the locked stuff (locked cores, unlocked multiplier, etc) it would probably crash or bug out or damage the CPU, because the part was binned as too marginal to be able to use that functionality

Hennes

I doubt they use the same layout for E3 and i3. Too much wasted silicon

However if I know fosure I would paste that as an answer.

Psycogeek

@Hennes Ohh totally (i should havethought of that), have a GPU chip hanging off the side of a server chip, that would not make sence.

Boris_yo

@Hennes They destroy the potential of a product in order to sell different less powerful product?

Psycogeek

13:10

The day Intel disables a GPU, then turns around and sells it for 2X as a Xeon, the conspiracy geeks will have a heyday :-)

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: I think someone asked about that here

Psycogeek

Ahh i knew it, 3M cache (consumer) vrses 8M cache (xeon)

Hennes

@Boris_yo Yes and no.

Take the documented example of quad core AMD CPUs'

Journeyman Geek

3

Q: Xeons with IMC (Integrated Memory Controller) -- does ECC support depend on the chipset also?

Intel has released Ivy Bridge Xeon processors with PCIe 3.0, ECC, and VT-d support. However, there aren't yet any PCIe 3.0 + USB 3.0 C21x (Panther Point) boards available, while B75 and Z77 desktop motherboards are widely available with a huge range of features. Since the northbridge logic / me...

ecc intel-xeon ivy-bridge

ahh, its the reverse

Hennes

If all four cores work and pass all the test then it gets sold as quad core.

If one core is flaky they disable that core and sell it as tripple core

When the demands for triple cores (cheaper) was very high and production could not keep up they sold a few triple cores with four actual working cores.

Enabling them requires a mere software (BIOS) hack

But if you bought a triple core you did not know if you got:
1) A fully working quad core with on core disabled
2) A quad core with a marginal/flaky fourth core (disabled)
3) Or a quad core with a known busted 4th core.

Point 2 is the dangerous one. You would need to test properly

And a proper test is not 'it boots. Yay, quad!'

Slightly similar case : Intel Pentium 2 (dual capable) and intel celeron (1st gen)

The P2 was a P2 core with external cache.

The C1 was the same P2 core with either no cache or a different (smaller) external cache.

But the core die was the same. Both were dual socket capable

Intel sold the P2 as dual capable, and the C1 as not capable

Short a line, pull one line up. Drill a small hole halfway into the PCB to cut a line and suddenly your C1 also worked in dual socket motherboard.

But that was the same core and different external cache on the 'CPU module'

That whole board was sold as 'the CPU'

somequixotic

13:25

not fishing for upvotes for anything :P

0

A: Why does setting a fixed wireless network speed cause hosts to lose their connection?

Based on signal strength, which is a measurement that is constantly fluctuating and affected by many environmental factors that are out of your control, the maximum possible practical transfer rate changes over time. If you force the router to only accept connections at a certain bit rate, you a...

Psycogeek

Hmm, if only i had finished with the compare , i might have seen this ark.intel.com/compare/59080,53428,53426,55448,53424 This might answer the illusive question of the I3 that does ECC.

Hennes

If you need to do the same with an i3 and a E3 then you would need to:
1) Build them all with 8MB cache (and waste 5MB on the i3 - which is likely to need higher latency to the cache)
2) Waste athe GPU's on the E3

The 2120 ?

Psycogeek

@Hennes I dont know, only 1/16th of the info on the web is correct :-) But yes, he does not Own the I3 that the intel thing says YES on?

Sooo, If i trusted the data to be correct, I could delete everything , and say NO :-)

Boris_yo

@Hennes Is this processor within module?

Hennes

The modules is the processor.

You can not create a large die without escalating the costs

Boris_yo

13:31

@Psycogeek 1/16 of web is correct? How you know this?

Hennes

Double the die size, quad (or worse) the cost

somequixotic

@Boris_yo he learned it on google

Psycogeek

Oh crap, nevermind , delete that stuff

Hennes

Which is why sometimes multiple dies are put in one chip.

E.g. old intel quad cores (two dual core dies in one chip)

somequixotic

@Hennes and after a certain size it becomes very impractical to build it at all

Hennes

13:32

Or core2 era chips with a CPU part on the die, some connections and a GPU part on the die

somequixotic

that's why google doesn't run their datacenter with one huge die that's 5 meters by 5 meters :)

Boris_yo

@somequixotic I wonder what he learned was in 1 of 16 as correct information.

Hennes

In the P2 era it was hard to put much cache in the die

Pentium 1is had 8 or 16k cache.
The much more expensive Pentium PRO had 256K, or even 512 and 1MB cache and it was much more expensive

For the P2 they took the P-pro core minus cache and added external cache chips

Put that all on a board and you get a 'CPU on a card'

When they shark to smallesr sizes than 350 nm they were alble to put it all back in one chip

(hmm, I should check that. But I though P1/P2 era was 350nm. We are now at 20 or 14nm size)

somequixotic

heh, GPUs are on a "card" now too because there are so many things they can't push into the die

Boris_yo

How cool! I want Pentium PRO.

Hennes

13:35

And each halving means 1/4th of die space needed

So 350 -> 35nm means the chip now used 1/100th of the size

somequixotic

the VRAM, the VRMs, the DisplayPort / HDMI / VGA / DVI codecs....

Hennes

Allowing for 100x more logic on the same chip for acceptable costs

Boris_yo

@somequixotic But there are APUs. Cpu and Gpu on 1 chip.

somequixotic

@Boris_yo the motherboard has the other stuff on it that the CPU can't fit :)

Hennes

In the case of AMD. mostly one integrated die

somequixotic

13:36

like the DP/HDMI/VGA/DVI codecs

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo It is all part of Gilberts law. Believe only 1/2 of what you see with your own eyes (my eyes decieve me). Believe only 1/4 of what you read in verified news (now news is just like the web at 1/16th) Believe only 1/8th of what you hear on the radio (rush limbah, npr , etc) And believe only 1/16th of the web .

Gowtham

Does anyone have any idea until when will HTC provide updates to HTC One ?

Psycogeek

You tube probably gets down to 1/32

somequixotic

@Psycogeek and SE chat, 1/64

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek You said news is now like web 1/16 and it seems true because web is the source of unlimited news so newspaper editors don't need to think much where to get news from.

Psycogeek

13:39

@Hennes Those in-die caches seemed to be a very good speed addition, for computations.

Hennes

Aye.

Boris_yo

@somequixotic Thanks to me.

Hennes

Electricity has limited speed

As does light

If you go multi GHz (say 4-5 GHz ish) then light will travel a few CM / a few inches per clock tick

Electricity will be slightly slower

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek That means cache on die will be faster than cache on board?

Hennes

and electric signals need to stabilise

So the shorter the path, the higher the speed can be

Off die means much more distance

Yup.

On die usually means closer, which means "can be faster"

Boris_yo

13:42

@Hennes Just a couple of centimetres.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Yes to compete with the web, the radio and tv news quit verifying the stories, so they blunder around. also to compete with the web, they will spread web rumor (as rumor). So now the news is still "slower" and just as bad. In the need to compete with the web, they lost all thier business To the web .

Oliver Salzburg

wtf is wrong with me... I'm syncing 2gigs of files from my laptop to my desktop through Google Drive

Surprisingly it takes hours

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek You mean radio and TV previously certified information before publishing?

Hennes

@OliverSalzburg That is because the NSA is reading all of it before transferring it.

Psycogeek

Real news had an oppertunity to be "different" But it chose to lower itself to the level of its competition :-)

Boris_yo

13:45

@OliverSalzburg Wrong with you? What you have to do with it? Are you information trafficker?

Oliver Salzburg

@Hennes Also, my line is slow ;P

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Checking the info, reliable sources, etc, was also known as "Journalism" they even had a "Code of Journalism"

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek They had an edge before since they verified information published but they lowered themselves. Now since then, newspaper is merely entertainment and cannot be taken seriously.

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo The Off-Die caches might also have to go through Memory controllers, different buffer types, and untuned memory and all. So it was not just about the wire.

@Boris_yo Yup, they still have news, but they should all be concidered entertainment, especially those that say that is exactally what they are (when they get sued)

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek "Believe only 1/2 of what you see with your eyes." Humen have only 5 senses. They don't see gamma rays and they don't see spiritual world. There's limit to what we perceive.

@Psycogeek To take away liability from themselves?

Psycogeek

13:55

@Boris_yo 1/2 of what you see. Remember i do video. So after people see what they want to see, i show them what happened. But here is the twist. After doing video for years, i can tell you that the video can show something (because of its lack of dimention) that isnt true 1/2 the time either :-)

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