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15:00
like I said, voodoo ;p
@JourneymanGeek YOu can do both
Both just not use it (e.g. do not partition that part.)
Or send a SATA command to the drive to decrease its size
@JourneymanGeek Disable / leave empty; The bits remain untouched, and you strictly use the small partition :P
crickeys
tis been 4 years since I read about it
For the usable space / price you could also just get an SSD then :P
15:01
Though I suppose that wasn't always true.
Yes, now that SSD have come down in price: yes
SSD prices have been nice lately.
A 120GB SSD was trhe same price as my 146 GB 15K RPM SAS disk.
But that is now. 10 years ago I would have had no choice
C# is officially my favorite programming language
Bob
Bob
15:06
@somequixotic Hm?
at work I quickly hacked together about 2000 SLOC of C# with a heavily user-friendly, WinForms GUI-driven reporting tool that goes out into our test / defect management software (HP ALM), gathers reporting metrics in the way we require, and drops them into an Excel spreadsheet, then creates a pivot table based on them, that the team can use for reporting
it's pretty awesome, and it even serializes a PONO data structure of program settings to a file, so you don't have to pick all of your settings from scratch every time you run the program
what gets me is how quickly I was able to write 2000 SLOC. I mean, I type fast, but 2000 SLOC in almost any other language except Java would have taken me weeks
this took me about a day and a half
Bob
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@somequixotic could be partially due to its verbosity
@Bob it's a little verbose, but it's also extremely customizable, and the WinForms editor wrote another ~1000+ SLOC in the *.Designer.cs files that I never touched manually
I like "verbose" to an extent -- raw C against the Win32 APIs is freaking verbose, and painfully hard, and takes way too long to accomplish anything useful
C# isn't nearly that verbose, but compared to VBScript, yes ;p
Bob
Bob
@somequixotic I have a bit of a love-hate relationship with the designer...
On one hand, it's pretty awesome. On the other, any designer bug is a massive pain in the arse to work around.
15:11
@Bob I still think the SWT Designer that Google bought and open sourced is the best designer out there, but SWT is harder to program for
hacktohell has been thinking about it all the time when joining college
geez Sex ratio is really skewed in my college :C
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I can just take a steamapps folder from one hard drive and merge it with one on the other, correct?
might be the faculty
think he joined IT
15:14
Yeah, IT is often a sausage factory
you remind me of german sausage
of course, there's usually like 20% girls in my class
probably cause we either have small classes, or people taking electives
I my first year at uni we had one girl in the class (class of 150)
@njallam generally yes, but games that have specific DRM schemes other than Steamworks probably won't start correctly if the DRM is particularly draconian
Steamworks DRM is extremely friendly in the sense that it will recognize that you're the same user account as the one that originally downloaded the software, and "just work" with no complaints
likewise DRM-free games will of course work without a hitch
the only ones that will really trip you up are games that have their own non-standard DRM scheme that requires some kind of installation of a kernel module or something
@Hennes: we had 2-3 who were in the faculty, and some who picked the year one modules for forensics as a elective
15:17
@Hennes that's close to what we have here
forensic crimess
@somequixotic so zero?
here it's more like 2 out of 150, which is double what @Hennes reported, but still very low
I guess computer science is just to hard for girls.. those just went to math....
yeah that's why i chose arts ^_^
15:18
(Yes, match had 10% girls)
most guys in CS tried to take some liberal arts classes and meet girls in there
@Hennes: CFISM is pretty much the least CS IT degree possible
more like 50-60% in philosophy, english and such
(computer forensics, and information security management)
Also, about half the girls I know with with computers, programming or studied math. So I know this is bullshit. :)
Bob
Bob
15:19
@JourneymanGeek the pipette tip is a perfect fit for the converter
@somequixotic we actually have quite a few
I didn't bother with girls in college / never will... more trouble than they're worth
@somequixotic I could just resolve the conflicts with a reinstall of that game, correct?
Bob
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quite a few meaning 10-20% :P
15:20
@jokerdino: you're doing arts? o0
@njallam or use Steam's built-in backup feature to "officially" migrate a game from one host to another; that feature also covers the installation steps of any requisite software, including DRM, Visual C++ dependencies, DirectX, etc
@JourneymanGeek yeah. commerce
Is there perhaps anyone here who has any idea what I can do to troubleshoot vmware player, when it just fails without any message?
Bob
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@somequixotic but download
15:21
@Bob when you use the backup/restore feature of Steam, it'll actually perform the installation steps, including any activation procedure that the game required to install DRM, but you won't have to download anything
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o.o
@JourneymanGeek DO NOT WANT
@Jasper on Windows?
@JourneymanGeek is that octopus or squid?
15:21
most likely a kernel module problem, imo... check to see if the VMware services are started in the service control panel
looks like a small octopus
@somequixotic only problem with that is I don't know which games are on which hard drive
@somequixotic On an ubuntu terminal sever
VMware and VirtualBox really don't play well together on the same computer, either
@JourneymanGeek squid are quite crispy
15:22
lol
I'm veggie, remember?
i know :P
also, I have a wierd affection for octopods
Nope. Dogs and not vegetarians.
I blame cuttlefish. They're adorable.
@Hennes: dogs can be vegitarian more or less
@JourneymanGeek don't they require taurine?
15:23
It worked fine before, though we've had on and off problems. I have decided I am going to push through the switch to VirtualBox next time we do major maintenance, but until that time I just need vmware player to run
@JourneymanGeek There are no non-weird affections for octopods in my book
protein not available in vegetables
@somequixotic: in the old country they tend to feed them rice and yogurt
Bob
Bob
@somequixotic that would provide an error
@somequixotic Except in beans etc etc ?
15:24
Ash gets fed mashed peas and corn 3 times a day, and we just top off his dry food bowl as he finishes it
@Jasper I don't quite understand what you mean by "ubuntu terminal server", or which version of ubuntu you're running, or what OS the VMware Player is running on (is Ubuntu the guest or the host?) -- also, if your host is Ubuntu, check dmesg and /var/log/messages before/after starting vmware
@somequixotic milk and their products
@jokerdino regular protein yes, but taurine?
Q: "What's the best way to work with a sharepoint site?"
A: With a very large hammer!
15:25
some taurine slips in through milk :P
nevermine
taurine is required for cats but not dogs
cats can't make taurine so they have to get it from other animals
@somequixotic: ;p
by tastey murder?
haha
whose liver is deadly because of excess Vit A?
i forgot that one trivia
@somequixotic Ubuntu 12.04 host, Win XP guest. The host is used through thin clients.
@JourneymanGeek Agh! Is alien that wants to lay egg in cats stomach!
15:27
I'm just going to do a standard copy, reinstalling isn't too big of a deal
Bob
Bob
@jokerdino dog?
@Jasper well like I said, check the logs, dmesg and /var/log/messages and possibly /var/log/vmware/*, for any indication of a problem
and make sure kvm and vbox* kernel modules are not loaded
@Bob is it? were there dogs in polar expeds?
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@jokerdino the ones pulling sleds?
15:28
yeah.
Bob
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cant remember if ponies or something
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While liver is often eaten, the vitamin A content of the liver of certain animals—including the polar bear, seal,[12] walrus,[13] moose,[14] and husky—is highly hazardous.

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@Bob ah huskies then
don't be stupid; stop eating huskies! they're too lovable!
15:29
when you are dying, you might just eat that adorable pet you have by your side
animals that are cute should have some kind of severely hazardous property to eating them, always. ;p
@somequixotic there's no /var/log/messages (but that's probably just Ubuntu using different naming) and the only vmware related files in /var/log/ are vmware-installer and vmware-installer.1
@Jasper /var/log/syslog? /var/log/secure?
@somequixotic ah yes, syslog, I'll take a look at that
15:31
@Jasper also make sure that you don't get any error when you do /etc/init.d/vm* start (don't literally run that; just get a root shell and then look at what files in /etc/init.d start with vm, then run each one with start or status passed in)
Shameless self-promotion (and I want an answer): superuser.com/questions/625049/…
@CanadianLuke route -n will tell you the default gateway
the default gateway is defined as the gateway where the "Destination" is "0.0.0.0" -- the default gateway will be listed in the "Gateway" column on the line where Destination is 0.0.0.0
I can`t SSH to it now from work, but I`ll check that out when I get home
route -n will also tell you about anything you might need to know regarding one box forwarding traffic through another. the other thing that's useful is iptables -L; if it mentions anything in the FORWARD chain, that's IP-level forwarding, which would literally take packets sent by one box, to this box, and forward them through this box's default gateway
(and back, using stateful packet inspection to determine flows)
if I actually answered questions anymore I could probably have 20k rep, but I'd rather type out a few things off the cuff in chat and let people figure out the rest for themselves :D
@somequixotic I have stateful packet inspection option in my old 3Com router. Should it be left disabled?
15:41
@somequixotic said scripts run without any problems. It seems Ubuntu didn't rename /var/log/messages, but removed it. I enabled it by following this but no entries for vmplayer show up
@Boris_yo it's a useful firewall feature that blocks some attack attempts, but it can also be used in a different context when a computer or router is forwarding packets from one device to another and deciding whether to allow them through
SPI can confuse or illegitimately block the traffic of about 0.0001% of legitimate networked programs, and it's also very frustrating if you are doing low-level networking debugging stuff, etc
(of course, I tried starting vmplayer after I enabled the log)
most people only stand to benefit from it though
@Jasper did you check your loaded kernel modules as I said? with lsmod?
the core VMware kernel module is vmmon.ko and it should be listed in lsmod as vmmon -- and the kvm, kvm_intel and vboxdrv modules will conflict badly with vmmon in certain situations so you should really ensure that none of those 3 modules are loaded
Bob
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-ok!
@somequixotic have now. They aren't. (and vmmon is)
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15:46
@JourneymanGeek the FC black is crap
good for mixing, crap for standalone writing
also washes right off in water
gonna try the cheapo printer ink from ebay now
@Jasper one more thing to try is to examine the vmware player binary itself; it's probably a Perl script if I recall correctly
you may be able to put some print statements in there to let you know that it's executing, and see which step it dies silently on
it may have something idiotically stupid like a silent exit. you could also trap its exit code in your shell and see if it's calling exit(1) or something like that, then see which part of the script uses that exit code
It's a bash script. I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the suggestions (so far)
Yes
Who doesn't love the baby of the Royal Duchess of Cambridge?
16:02
Who is the rdoc ?
Katherine Middleton William
i think British royalty is outmoded and obsolete and provides absolutely no value to the world and should be disbanded
@somequixotic lol. lots of views
they should all become commoners and let the Parliament and the Prime Minister run the UK
Bob
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@JourneymanGeek drip test, pretty much no feathering or fading
off to do a running water test
16:04
Surely, the prime minister does not run the UK.
The non-elected goverment people do. :)
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@somequixotic I think they are overrated.
Maybe I should make a breakfast with some eggs, tomatoe and high fat emusified offals tubes
Aka Brittish sausage
@Boris_yo I think they were kept around because a lot of people in Britain, when the Monarchy stopped being the absolute power it was, didn't want to give up the monarchy, and would fight to see it remain, so that they felt like they had a King or Queen to give loyalty to
@somequixotic It seems it never starts the vmware player because vmware-modconfig --appname="VMware Player" --icon="vmware-player" doesn't print anything. I'm not sure what it's supposed to do, though
The Queen is the head of the Commonwealth. Right?
16:10
but they need to realize that Britain is (or should be) a democracy, and having a head of state that holds on to the vestiges of a tradition without having any real power, shouldn't be kept around, because it's expensive, and attracts undue attention to something that is really just a sham
@jokerdino dafcque
@Gowtham you said it. not me
@jokerdino no I haven't -_-
(and if I simply comment it out, vmplayer prints a message rather than actually running the vmware player, so that's not working either)
@Gowtham lies
16:11
@Jasper vmware-modconfig is a tool that checks if you need to recompile your kernel modules based on a kernel update, and if so, attempts to recompile them
@jokerdino I didn't expect a 3:1 ratio of girls:boys
so more girls?
by "kernel modules" I mean the VMware host kernel modules that integrate the VMware virtual machine into your host and provide access to host features to the guest, like file sharing, accelerated CPU execution, accelerated network sockets, etc
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lol
yes -_-
16:12
enjoy? >:D
I am not sure if it will be fun :P
@somequixotic Do they pay their taxes there?
Girls complain a lot
@Gowtham you get to do their homework. for free!
16:13
@Gowtham lol
Paging Arianne about your message.
@jokerdino i don't think there will be any homework :D :D
@jokerdino oh noes
@Gowtham there would be assignments. i am sure
And i have a large ass book about C -_-
@jokerdino I have no idea how college works :D
Bob
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@Gowtham eh, I never bothered buying the textbooks
@Gowtham it starts with you choosing a girl of your liking and then going on a date
@Bob in here, you don't have to buy the books. just pay the book fees.
Bob
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16:15
uhh
@Bob College charges book fee so they give away useless books
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I don't see the difference
My chemistry book has nothing It seems to be filled with formula only
chemistry book for IT students? dafork?
They have given me a list of suggested books
@jokerdino First year is common for all engg students
16:17
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@Boris_yo ELI5 that picture
@Bob You have to pay
@Gowtham hahaha
i heard over 40% engg seats are vacant this year.
Apparently my college where even the staff do not know to speak proper English is somewhat reputed :O
Only the Sc/ST seats have not been filled
And I really need to crack the wifi password
@Gowtham When I put in two sentences together, the teachers flip the table. ^_^
16:20
lol :D :D
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Bob
holy... @JourneymanGeek I rinsed them. The FC black almost cmopletely faded. Leaving ti wet for a little, and I can't see a single mark anymore. The printer ink may have faded/spread a tiny bit, but it looks near perfect.
This might be pigment ink.
@Gowtham Well, yes. What's the difference between paying 'book fees' and buying textbooks yourself?
/me is trying to find the confessions page of my college so that I can know all the dirty secrets it has to offer evil look
@Bob The college gets a portion of the book fee :D
@Bob Something you own for life and something you think you own.
Bob
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@Gowtham What, does that make the books more expensive or something?
Cause, buying from the Uni bookshop, I'm pretty sure they make some amount of profit.
you get charged a convenience fee
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16:23
o.o
to an extent of 10%
Currently I have a generic book written by some stupid ass indian author
It sucks
@Gowtham probably plagiarized
@jokerdino yeah,
I am trying to find the syallbus so that I can get proper books
And looks like I have to struggle with french again @_@
didn't know you are a french student
16:25
State board tamil is too hard :P
French was supposed to be easier ...
lies
the teaching faculty in here is poor
while i have you all here i have a question
@jokerdino Self Study ftw
a friend of mine is Jewish and only eats things that are Kosher, meaning he can't have meat and dairy in the same meal, but coworkers want to take everyone out to an indian restaurant; what can he eat there?
Bob
Bob
16:27
Welp. You evidently don't need me here.
I'm going to sleep.
good night
@Bob nighters
@somequixotic uhm anything ?
@somequixotic i think he can have the bread varieties
Depends on how it's prepared
16:28
like Naan etc
Bob
Bob
night. or morning. or whatever the time is.
Mom adds milk to chicken broth
@jokerdino things that go with it might have milk
@Gowtham it wont have meat though right?
Depends on the chalna ?
pretty sure chicken broth and milk is not kosher
16:29
but then, the American Indian restaurant can be quite different
It's been 2 years since I have eaten out
@somequixotic That's quite helpful. At least, I now get what the bash script is doing. I still don't know how to fix the problem though. Neither vmware-config.pl (from the linked article) nor vmware-config-tools.pl (from an error the script can throw) seems to be present anywhere on the system.
@Gowtham horrible
you should confirm with dino ;p
@jokerdino the restaurant owner and chefs are from TN I think
first generation immigrants
16:30
@somequixotic Tenessey? lol
@jokerdino ;p
@jokerdino Tamil Nadu
;p
:D
he can have dairy and meat but just not as the same dish right?
lol @ Tennessee
or not in the same meal?
16:32
@jokerdino not in the same meal
@somequixotic go vegetarian then
they have lots of vegetarian stuff at this place so i THINK if he only eats vegetarian and no meat, he'll be ok
since he'll just have some milk probably with some things but no meat
@somequixotic yeah definitely.
highly likely they would use milk in preparing things. you can't even cross check without prior info on the item
Reasons for food not being kosher include the presence of ingredients derived from nonkosher animals or from kosher animals that were not slaughtered in the ritually proper manner, a mixture of meat and milk, wine, or grape juice (or their derivatives) produced without supervision, the use of produce from Israel that has not been tithed, or the use of non-kosher cooking utensils and machinery.
so a lot safe to just say you want vegetarian items right off the bat
16:34
Kosher foods are those that conform to the regulations of kashrut (Jewish dietary law). Food that may be consumed according to halakha (Jewish law) is termed kosher in English, from the Ashkenazi pronunciation of the Hebrew term kashér (), meaning "fit" (in this context, fit for consumption). Food that is not in accordance with Jewish law is called treif ( or treyf, derived from Hebrew trēfáh). A list of some kosher foods are found in the books of Leviticus 11:1-47 and Deuteronomy 14: 3-20, as are also certain kosher rules. Reasons for food not being kosher include the presence of ingre...
that's really strict
that's stricter than halal foods ~_~
so if they have anything non kosher in the whole restaurant he can't eat it? apparently? da F
@somequixotic the whole restaurant? that happens with halal foods but not sure about kosher
me neither :D
he probably wouldn't go with us unless the restaurant itself claimed it made stuff kosher
good thing we dont give two toots about this stuff
16:36
they should just write a little K on the buffet and circle it :D
@Gowtham Wise decision because you don't want to eat from someone who handles your good.
Bob
Bob
different people follow that kind of thing to varying degrees of strictness (pretend I'm asleep)
@somequixotic o_0
16:38
@Bob you are sleep chatting
and idle watching our chat
i wonder if the Church of Emacs' Stallman Diet guide is defined a bit more explicitly than Kosher was defined -- maybe it can be defined in terms of a SQL query
@bob is lucid chatting
We are all projections ...
or an emacs extension
@somequixotic i think there is a list of certified restaurants
now tell me who taught Indian food was a good idea?
foods that are Stallman have to be prepared in a kitchen where the cash register runs Free Software, etc
@jokerdino all our other coworkers :P
16:40
lots of 'modern' people prefer fast food here :P
i wonder if Stallman dines at restaurants that accept payment in bitcoin
@somequixotic anyway, tell me what you ate :P
(Sathya is a big fan of Chicken items IIRC)
@jokerdino you mean at Indian restaurant?
I'm a vegetarian
@somequixotic hm yeah
@somequixotic you.. what?
16:42
@somequixotic if you see him pick his foot, you won't want to dine with him
I had sambar, dosa, dal masala, naan, some kind of coconut sauce, mango lassi, a few other things
O_O
i know those words
coconut sauce ?? you mean chutney ? :P
@Gowtham yea
16:43
Bob
Bob
now I'm hungry
i've been to Indian restaurants many times
@Bob you were sleeping
@Gowtham Except that only Thor will be able to use it...
@somequixotic Green Party = vegetarians?
16:45
at work, most coworkers run a program in their heads like this
try {
//....
}
catch(NotIndianException nie) {
System.out.println("We don't care about " + nie.getName() + "'s preferences because there are more of us than there are of them");
}
@somequixotic let me get this right. most of your co workers are Indians?!
@jokerdino 17 out of 23
@somequixotic You work at an Indian company o0 ?
@somequixotic ok that explains why most of your colleagues want to go to Indian restaurant.
@Gowtham more like Indians are working alongside him
16:48
@Gowtham for all intents and purposes, yes - but officially it's a U.S. company, working for the U.S. government
@Boris_yo :P
but the number of Indians keeps going up while the number of non-Indians keeps going down
same here
number of Indians going up at an exponential rate.
@jokerdino Apparently it will stabilize by 2017
the time you graduate as an engineer. Coincidence?
16:52
nope, don't you know of my sterilization program

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