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Psycogeek

00:01

@MichaelFrank whos enterprise vault?

Michael Frank

The company I work for.

Psycogeek

@MichaelFrank oh then what softwares enterprise vault?

Psycogeek

00:13

symantic had a problem with attachments, and came out with an update to "fix" it. there is a bunch of info there. symantec.com/business/support/… most of it i do not understand.

the one thing they put there, would be the first thing i would "attempt" unarchive it, and hope.

Psycogeek

00:38

some of this stuff makes going to mars look simple :-)

Michael Frank

03:40

@Psycogeek It's Outlooks Enterprise Vault. There's also no unarchive option. :/

Psycogeek

@MichaelFrank i dont know, your question is to broad , and you did not indicate what you already tried :-)

@MichaelFrank All i could find is that symantec makes a Plug-in for outlook/exchange that does the archive work, so i looked at that.

@MichaelFrank wait a minute, if it cant be unarcived, what person in thier right mind would use the thing?

Michael Frank

Who knows... I thought there might be like some magic trick that I wasn't thinking of. ^_^

I have no control over the Archive settings by the looks of it. Guess I'll just have to ask them to send it again.

Psycogeek

03:57

@MichaelFrank From what your saying and i am reading, whomever is in charge of the system back there, will need to make an effort beyond what they did :-)

Michael Frank

Yea, it's not too important. Just a pain in the ass if I forget to save an attachment before it archives it.

Psycogeek

@MichaelFrank in a single user scenario we do things "different" when the user started recieving "important" attachments, i tried to get them to drop ALL of them into organised folders PersonAttachment. then we manually acrhive the whole database (original and raw) before they cleanup.

It so simple, to retrace, the databases they are using now is set aside, and the old database is put back, to snag old crap out of it. no dissasemble the database and put it in another database, no ship it over the web. just a lot of MANUEL bs if i have to go back to something.

the thunderbird e-mail program, has built in "archiving" for single user too. keeps the same basic database , same format and everything, just has an ability to archive deleted for any account a user desired. in that situation, the archives are no different than the regular e-mails also, just stored in another local database

Gowtham

04:48

Bob

04:58

Soooo... anything interesting happening?

Gowtham

stalker.filefront.com/file/Sidorovich_Unlocked

Psycogeek

@Bob Nope, if you want something interesting to happen, you will have to make it happen . . . or make it interesting :-)

How about "hackers hack car computers" and find out that the (previously overridable) car computer, can be selectivly used to Kill you.

reuters.com/article/2013/07/28/…

Giving the word Crash, a little more meaning as computers are further integrated into , well everything. Making the old crusty movie "The Paper Man" a reality.

Bob

@Hennes

Gowtham

wow madebyevan.com/webgl-water

Michael Frank

05:19

@Bob The Newsroom starts again today! :D

Bob

@MichaelFrank huh

Michael Frank

You asked if anything interesting was happening, and the Newsroom starts again today!

Bob

Ah.

That's not quite immediate enough :P

Michael Frank

Ahh, well... umm... Bus crash in Italy?

Psycogeek

07:33

<-- liquifies and pours out of the chat room

Boris_yo

09:14

@Psycogeek Son of T1000!

Bob

09:33

@JourneymanGeek 100 pipettes arrived :P

now, wtf do I do with them? o.o

cpx

10:34

Just turned off auto windows maximize feature in windows 8. It was annoying me whenever I try to move the window aside and if it hits the top side of screen then it would auto maximize by itself.

Bob

@cpx that's been there since 7

and it's actually quite nice to have, especially if you're moving windows around multiple monitors a lot

but, preference.

Michael Frank

I mostly use the Win Key + arrows.

cpx

Hmm, win key + arrows doesn't work anymore after I turned off that feature.

Michael Frank

10:51

of course it won't. It's all part of the same feature. :P

Windows Snap.

cpx

But according to the Microsoft employee on forums from where I picked up the solution it should still work.

Oh wait, he said uncheck the option in Control panel > Ease of access > keyboard settings.

Oliver Salzburg

@MichaelFrank Wasn't it called Aero Snap?

Michael Frank

Well, the MS website just calls is Snap.

windows.microsoft.com/en-NZ/windows7/products/features/snap

So I guess, both?

But there are other sources that say Aero Snap.

Bob

@MichaelFrank they probably dropped the Aero name after 8 released

Michael Frank

That's possible

Hennes

12:34

Is there a way to copy a post from another S.E. site to superuser?

E.g I want sometimes want to close a question as duplicate of Serverfault,postXXYYZZ, but it is a cross-site duplicate

Bob

@Hennes Paraphrase with attribution?

Or you could copy into a quote block.

CC-BY-SA and all.

Hennes

Normally I would ask the owner of said answer if it could be copied (her or his rep on the new site), or if I may copy it whole.

67

Q: What are the different widely used RAID levels and when should I consider them?

This is a Canonical Question about RAID levels. What are: the RAID levels typically used (including the RAID-Z family)? deployments are they commonly found in? benefits and pitfalls of each?

That is a rather long thing to quote.

But it is also just an example

Bob

13

A: What to do with cross-site duplicates?

If it is clearly a question that does belong on another site, migrate it and then treat it as duplicate. If it is a borderline question, let it live in both cultures, as the answeres will be different, programmers answering for programmers, and admins answering for admins. Yes, it is important ...

Perhaps comment with it as a reference, rather than using it as an answer.

And provide a simpler/briefer explanation (maybe more suitable for SU)

9

A: How to deal with cross-site exact duplicates?

There's no such thing as a cross-site duplicate. Each site has its own user community and scope. It's challenging enough for a community to run itself without having to worry about what's going on on some other site. That's part of the reason that migrations are so difficult; they require accu...

Hennes

I usually answer the question and add a 'this post on SF might also be useful`

Bob

Ya, probably the best way to go about it.

Kwaio

12:41

Hennes, do you want to be my friend ?

I always wanted an imaginary friend

(If the french-english translation isn't litteral, my joke probably sucks...)

Hennes

Heh.

Maybe we are squared.

Kwaio

12:54

I may have missed a meeting

All my team is out of their desktop...

Oliver Salzburg

13:27

I don't believe this shit

Turns out it was the cat that was causing my computer to shut off

5

jokerdino

lol

Oliver Salzburg

Tripped the switch on the power strip

Just happened again. Caught her red handed

Now the computer won't post

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Let's hope it's not too late...

Oliver Salzburg

After removing external USB drives, it boots again. One screen doesn't work though

Hennes

http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/canada/2013/07/26/conservative_‌flyers_on_disabled_initiatives_contain_fake_braille/braillepicjpg.jpg.size.xxlarg‌e.letterbox.jpg

And no, those braille dots are not raised.

Oliver Salzburg

13:43

Alright, screen resurrected. On-board video was disabled in BIOS for some reason O_o

Stupid power strips with switches... and this one must be the most sensitive switch I've seen on one yet

njallam

A while back I created a separate partition for Windows 8 to try it out and have ended up moving to it completely. How can I remove my old Windows 7 install properly?

Thanks (not) Clippy, >_<

Bob

@njallam delete it from teh bootloader

but there's really no harm leaving it there

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg You don't use UPS?

njallam

Where does one find boot.ini these days?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo Yes

Bob

13:52

@njallam N/A

Oliver Salzburg

I guess, maybe I should ;P

Bob

it's called the BCD now

you can use bcdedit in teh commmand line.

EasyBCD is, well, easier

I personally like Visual BCD Editor

njallam

Ah, EasyBCD, I've used that before when I broke this install initially. Thanks for pointing me back to it

Waht! It wants my money?

ah, Non-commercial, found it

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Strange because your UPS is supposed to fall back on its accumulator.

@Bob What if you choose Windows that does not exist on HDD? It will be black screen with such blinking underscore and you will have to restart to choose correct OS to load. Better to still remove OS that you don't use to no longer stumble on this.

njallam

Also, I need the HDD space

Well, I don't really

I just don't like how many useless partitions I have at the moment.

Bob

13:58

@Boris_yo I'm assuming the installation is still on-disk.

Also, you don't get a blank screen. You get an error.

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo As I said, I don't use one

njallam

Am I correct in saying that there is bugger-all speed increase from having separate partitions on the same hard drive for different things like games?

Bob

@njallam ya

njallam

Okay, time to hopefully not break anything

Bob

@njallam back it up first!

njallam

14:07

@Bob ah, that's a plan

I'm just consolidating first

Fed up of having so many library folders

Journeyman Geek

@njallam: unless its a VERY big disk, and very small partitions

apparently some people short stoke large disks cause its faster

seems silly to me ;p

njallam

No harm in backing up my user area first :)

Darth Android

Just don't mess with windows scheduled task to defrag the drive and one partition is fine

Journeyman Geek

/me thinks having seperate drive makes more sense

but I did that by accident ;p

Darth Android

I typically keep a second partition for all data that can easily survive a reinstall of the OS without being painful to set up. (i.e., My Steam Library, but not Steam itself.)

Journeyman Geek

14:15

I have seperate drive for system, data and downloads

keeps things neat, and I had a spare hard drive with bad sectors for the last p

njallam

hmm

actually

I just realised what I thought was 1 drive was actually two

Journeyman Geek

o0

raid?

njallam

nope

I forgot I put the one from my old system in here

tapped-out

@JourneymanGeek you have enough downloaded stuff to need another drive? or do you use it for other transient stuff too

Journeyman Geek

@tapped-out: in theory any transient files

Boris_yo

14:17

@OliverSalzburg You said yes initially but regardless, are you planning on getting one in the future?

Journeyman Geek

the idea is to keep non-sorted files out of the data folder

njallam

Oh well, consolidate home directory and use other disk for Steam games and other large stuff

Bob

@JourneymanGeek seriously considering just throwing these pipettes out

Journeyman Geek

and well, I had a spare drive

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo Right, I said "yes" to the question if I don't use one

Journeyman Geek

14:18

@Bob: o0

Bob

or shoving them in a corner

Journeyman Geek

might find other uses for em ;p

the latter is a good idea

Bob

5 hours ago, by Bob

@JourneymanGeek 100 pipettes arrived :P

Journeyman Geek

yeah ;p

Bob

I really have no idea what to do with them.

Oliver Salzburg

14:18

@Boris_yo I'd like to have one, but they're too expensive for my taste :P

Bob

I already have the syringes...

Journeyman Geek

XD

Bob

And it's a hundred -_-

Journeyman Geek

you'll find something? ;p

Bob

@JourneymanGeek that's what I always think

Journeyman Geek

14:19

;p

Bob

ah, may as well try one

Journeyman Geek

I'm a bit of a packrat

I'm usually right tho

Bob

gonna try to flush the pen that smells crap

Journeyman Geek

XD

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I almost never throw anything away

stick some plain black in there, probably

njallam

14:19

Okay, HDD0(500GB) for Windows and Home Directory
HDD1(1TB) for Steam games and Home Directory Backup

Sound good?

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

hm. or really dark blue.

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg What is so expensive about them? Mine was less than 100$. Do you consider this to be to much?

Journeyman Geek

@njallam: thats what I'd do

Darth Android

@njallam Sounds like a solid plan.

Bob

14:20

@njallam very much personal preference

njallam

Considering Windows is already on the smaller drive, I CBA to move it

Bob

though I'd run a speed test of both drives first

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo Well, I just checked APC's website for something the would fit the load of my setup and it cost like 400€

Journeyman Geek

and with steam, you can just point it at the folder the games are saved to and it'll just pick up from there

Bob

and possibly take a look at SMART data to see which one is more worn

njallam

14:21

yup, Steam is awesome like that

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg I guess your load is huge then?

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo Indeed ;D

Journeyman Geek

@tapped-out: I think when I used my data folder for downloads, I nearly filled up a TB eventually

Bob

...I feel distinctly uncomfortable.

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg I hope you don't run BBQ there that your load includes :p

Oliver Salzburg

14:22

@Boris_yo which one do you have though? I'll look it up then

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg Mine is local brand relevant to where I live. I doubt other countries have this brand.

Oliver Salzburg

@Boris_yo Well, I got didn't measure the load, but the system draws at least 500W. And I might want to attach screens and/or external drives as well

Bob

@OliverSalzburg You do not need more than one screen on a UPS.

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob I guess I don't really need any

Bob

A UPS in a home environment is to give you enough time for a safe shutdown. Not for continued use.

jokerdino

14:27

did any of you get a Facebook phishing warning?

Bob

A UPS big enough for continued use would be massive and very very expensive.

@OliverSalzburg At least 1200VA... probably more.

A UPS with a management interface of some kind is typically better.

Oliver Salzburg

@jokerdino A real one or a fake one?

jokerdino

@OliverSalzburg the real one. i got it on the website after logging in

actually, i got logged out and when i got in, the warning showed up.

Oliver Salzburg

@Bob Well, I don't really need something for continued use. The only outages I ever had were mere seconds. I would just need something to help with that, I guess

Otherwise, as you say, being able to shut down properly would be fine

jokerdino

something like 'you gave sensitive info somewhere. check your activity'

Oliver Salzburg

14:29

@jokerdino I'm always logged into Facebook so that they can properly track me, so I wouldn't know

Bob

@OliverSalzburg Still, best to keep at most one screen on it.

No need to put unnecessary load on it.

somequixotic

whoa, did I walk into a mod chat room?

Darth Android

@OliverSalzburg Does the system actually draw a sustained 500W? O.O

Bob

It's not just how long it lasts; the inverter may not be able to cope with larger loads.

Oliver Salzburg

@DarthAndroid I hope not. But I recently had to upgrade my PSU because the old one didn't provide enough power under load

jokerdino

14:30

@OliverSalzburg haha, guess they know better than me

somequixotic

jokerdino

@somequixotic just two ;P

we do better in the Ask Ubuntu chat room

up to 6-7 mods

somequixotic

@jokerdino oh? is that mod haven?

jokerdino

@somequixotic well kinda

njallam

allow me to break the cycle, bored to death waiting on these file copies

that made no sense

Darth Android

14:33

@OliverSalzburg Ah, yeah I had to upgrade my UPS a few years back because my peak load was too much for the inverter. Average load is sub-200W though, for desktop + monitor + swtich

Bob

@DarthAndroid an off-line UPS might be better at coping with high startup peaks

Darth Android

@Bob It's not startup, it was driving multiple GPUs during gaming.

Bob

:\

njallam

actually, I may prefer having the larger hard drive for Windows

Journeyman Geek

>_>

is the UPS cause of unreliable power or...

@njallam: I tend to go with the opposite configuration, since it makes running backups simpler

njallam

14:40

I think I will agree with you (totally not because I can't be bothered to move my Windows install)

I'll just see how much I have left after consolidating and cleaning what's not needed

Darth Android

@Bob Both APC and CyberPower don't clearly advertise whether their UPS are online or offline.

Boris_yo

@OliverSalzburg I use my UPS for saving work only. If you need more than that then supposedly you need stronger UPS.

njallam

Now how do I delete Windows & Program Files from another hard drive?

Darth Android

@njallam Ctrl-A, Shift+Delete ?

Bob

@DarthAndroid most are prolly line-interactive

Hennes

14:55

@JourneymanGeek Short stroking a drive to reduce random access times might be quite useful if the drive is used to store database temp files or similar.

Bob

(I'm not sure if offline would work anyway)

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: I think it also means data is stored on the inner parts of the drive speeding things up

it almost seems like voodoo to me ;p

Hennes

No voodoo.

Darth Android

@Hennes That's what SSD caches are for! :)

Bob

@JourneymanGeek outer*

njallam

14:56

Should I just format the partition?

Well actually entire hard drive

Darth Android

@njallam If you don't care about the contents, sure.

Hennes

If a drive rotates at a constant speed (that is constant RPM, or alternatively states constant rotation) then the outside of the circle which stores the data moves faster

njallam

All the useful contents are on the other HDD

Journeyman Geek

XD

VOODOO

Hennes

Thus you can write more sectors on it (faster).

Darth Android

14:57

Not Voodoo.

PHYSICS.

Hennes

Only using that part means only using the fast part of the drive.

But that is for sequential access

Journeyman Geek

brb, looking it up so I seem less stupid ;p

Hennes

For random IO consider a book with 100 pages. You read random pages. (lots of browsing)

Now reduce the book to 10 pages and read random pages. You will turn a lot less pages.

Journeyman Geek

@Hennes: yup

and ahh, I was probably thinking outer ;p

Hennes

So faster access to a random page (aka random data on the short stroked drive)

Bob

14:58

@Hennes CAV?

Journeyman Geek

but it makes more sense to me to use either a smaller single platter drive or a SSD

Hennes

Constant angular velocity

Journeyman Geek

constant angular velocity

Hennes

Yes, smaller disks do help.

Darth Android

@JourneymanGeek But wouldn't it actually be a Book of 10 pages and a book of 90 pages, and you're still doing random reads from both books?

Hennes

14:59

Which is one of the reason 2.5 inch drives are used a lot in servers

No, you just do not use those 90 pages.

Wasted space

Darth Android

or when you short-stroke a drive, do you just leave 90% of the drive empty?

Ah.

Hennes

Yes

Bob

@Hennes I know what CAV means. I was just suggesting it as the appropriate term.

Journeyman Geek

@DarthAndroid: No, you actually disable that part of the drive

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