The bridge is burned. He will likely leave the company once he finds another job. Your company can be happy he is not in a financial position to walk out - I WOULD. The moment I am f**** over, I walk out and let my lawyers handle the rest. I do not work one second for people that betray me. Your ...
I don’t know if it’s required to call the OP spineless....it’s not particularly tactful, though I agree, the OP shouldn’t try to rescind their offer once given, they could attempt to speak with Uli and make it clear, this is solely senior management and not their fault, they after all did make an honest effort....And none of us know if Uli isn’t financially sound or not...they may just be spiteful, if the company is as well off as you say you are, then it makes more sense for Uli to stick around, leech them as much as they can, then find a a new job and quit.
Sorry, it is - you ask for a favour, people do work, reorganize their planning. Then you realize that you did not want the favour and walk to everyone and essentially ask them to undo all the work (another favour) AND RETURN YOU THE FAVOUR? That is spineless, sorry. You ask for something, someone works, you owe him a favour. You do not get to realize that you did not really want it. The spineless comment was ONLY towards the "undo the favour" part, not the rest. Chance are that Uli is not financially SOUND in my eyes. He does not want to loose the income. Being "sound" as you call it would...
...be having enough money not to care. Like owning some properties and millions on the bank account. Which is somehow EXTREMELY rare, so the assumption would be that he is not and he does not want to just walk out due to the loss.This is not negative, it is the norm. Even with savings, and particularly in this time, most people do at least not want to take the risk of loosing their job and not getting benefits.
For most employees it is extremely rare to have enough funds to just tell your employer to "f off" and not care about anything in the future. Simple statistics says so. Ever bothered to look at percentiles? How much money you need to be in the top 1% of your country, and how that is for many people that even are close - owning a house that is paid off. Particularly if you go into the US the "cash side" of most people's assets is really not good.
Actually no. It is not surprising. Which is also not what I said - did you bother trying to understand? I said that UNLESS he is a millionaire (and heck, that is not really a lot - in many areas being a millionaire means owning your house, which is not really "usable") he does not want to just walk out. You really should try to understand sentences.
You don’t need a lot of money to tell someone to fuck off. You simply need to ensure you have no debt. This is country and society dependent. Your assumption that Uli has no money, solely because they didn’t do what you would do, means, regardless however much numbers you want throw in the comments, that you just don’t know. Which is apparent isn’t a lot, if you can’t fathome why there arn’t more millionaires...how much does a cup of coffee cost nowadays anyways...500$?
You literally said ‘which is somehow extremely rare’ ...which can only tell me you don’t understand why there arn’t more...
No, it says that they are extremely rare. Not many people own a million USD that they can easily use (so no IRA) and most people that do own that own it in a house that they live in - which they can ,again, not easily access. There stil lare quite a lot - but (a) that is because of NUMBERS. THere are a great many people, so an exceedingly rare amount (let's say 1%) is still a lot and (b) most of those will not work (employed) as software engineers but do something paying better (be independent, be in different professions). You seem to lack a concept of statistics and real world numbers.
Keep on throwing those numbers at me, it still doesn’t prove you know anything at all about Uli, nor their inherent reason for not quitting immediately like you would have. If you understand statistics like you say, you would already know, though the numbers seem to be in your educated guesses favour, it’s nothing more than that.
I never said I did. YOu seem to be hell bent on turning every fact to prove you are superior to - common sense. All it does it prove you are quite lacking. Shame. What I do know is that Uli is not pissed enough OR stable enough (with statistics saying he is not stable enough, financially) to just say "go to hell". Chance is extremely likely if he would be he would have done what I would have done - which is go out with a nuclear explosion and not look back. And guess what - I did say nothing else. I actually did not imply that I know about him. Your lack of education makes you misunderstand.
Oh, but I can call you illogical? The spineless comment was not at all connected to Uli but ONLY connected to "oh, I cashed in favours, I should ask for them back" AFTER other people did their work for the favour. And that is spineless. If you ask for a favour, and people do the work, you got what you asked for. As I said - you lack seriously in understanding.
@morbo If you ask a friend, let's call her "Annie", to help you get Uli back in your team quicker than a year. Then that friend does what you ask. Then you discover Uli does not want to join your team. Then you go to "Annie" and tell her you want to cancel the favor? -- You're being a jerk to Annie and being called spineless is the least of your problems. Unless we've all read the question wrong and "recalling favors" here really means you're asking Annie a second favor to undo your first request - in which case you owe her two favors - then that's OK
@TomTom regarding the favour discussion: I think the big question would be how far the process already is. If OP just asked on whether the process can be sped up and the other party agreed, then telling them the next day they don't need to bother isn't an issue. Once they already did all the arrangements, then it indeed doubles the burden to make sure it doesn't happen.
@FrankHopkins "If OP just asked on whether the process can be sped up and the other party agreed, then telling them the next day they don't need to bother isn't an issue." OP claims to have called in a favour. That, to me, implies that arrangements for someone to do something have already been done. And recalling favours also implies that the arrangements have to be undone and the party who previously agreed should still be ready and willing to act on another arrangement. Unless you have a different read, that's how I interpret the question by OP.
Agree that the bridge is burnt. Disagree that you can fix it with a nice cheque. He will most likely take the cheque - and still look elsewhere. Trust and loyalty can't be bought.
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