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12:17 AM
More Zen 2 architectural information: tomshardware.com/news/…
 
 
1 hour later…
1:42 AM
Are there any good text editors for Android phones that allow one to type text faster?
Are there editors with a split screen feature? I'm a translator, and I'd like to try translating on my phone during a long train journey.
 
 
2 hours later…
4:03 AM
oooh
Apparently there's a project called armbian that has newer os builds for a bunch of less popular SBCs
 
Bob
4:41 AM
@CowperKettle You're probably looking for a good keyboard, not a good editor?
But you're better off getting a little tablet with physical keyboard, probably.
@Luyw The NIC is probably fine, but you're going to be blocking a bit of the airflow of the GPU. If you're running near thermal limits, you might get a bit more throttling from the GPU when under load.
Funnily enough that might actually keep the NIC cooler (not that it really needs it) because there's going to be a bit more airflow over the normally passively cooled NIC (just ask @allquixotic and his RAID card :P)
If you don't need that NIC: take it out. If you do need it, it won't overly harm anything.
 
5:03 AM
@Bob Took it out x)
 
I was going to ask...
Why do you need it?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek for funsies? :P
 
@Bob always a great reason
 
Bob
I have a couple extra cards crammed into mine but my GPU is a blower config anyway, and my board seems to have a bit more space between slots.
 
Oh this is a joke right?
So, I usually am a fan of predictable network device names.
 
Bob
5:13 AM
@JourneymanGeek ?
 
I'm about the only one
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek ...BAD DOGGIE
 
but enxc0742bffdd77 is a terrible name for an interface
actually no, the other interface is eth0
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek lol. that's MAC address fallback iirc
 
so I have no idea what it is doing
 
Bob
5:14 AM
the thing with predictable naming is it's anything but predictable
it's also different depending on the OS, the init system, the packages you have installed, the phase of the moon and the alignment of saturn
 
Its also probably running netplan
I need to check that
 
Bob
it's always about 90% magic which particular piece of info it uses to determine the "preditable" name
 
(fresh armbian, ubuntu 18.04 install on the orange pi)
 
Bob
I've dug into it before
on some versions of some distros you can use udev to assign permanent names
of course, that doesn't work on other versions
 
actually turned it from massive frustration to "shiny!"
 
Bob
5:15 AM
have fun with dist upgrades
 
@Bob I ... already did
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek oh, I don't mean you :P
 
so, the default 'server' build of the orange pi ubuntu release is "xenial". Only its not. Its 15.04
I got it to dist upgrade to xenial, but upgrading it to bionic broke everything.
 
Bob
just, in general, "predictable" naming wreaks havoc on upgrades that ... change packages around it
 
and all I really want is a test box soooo
 
Bob
5:17 AM
ugh. linux networking is just a huge mess at the moment
 
@Bob my setup is a good balance - minimal banging your head ;p
 
Bob
and netplan is about the third most frustrating network config I've used
 
netplan is just shit
@Bob I can't use it with dnsmasq
 
Bob
a few choice quotes from a different chat:
> gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah why is it netplan
> and here I am still fighting with netplan
> what a steaming pile of [bleep]
> because you're not allowed to have a gateway on a /32
> because it's bloody stupid
 
sounds right
mercifully its easy to replace with ifconfig
 
Bob
5:19 AM
I had to add manual routes, to get around that damn gateway limitation
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek technically /network/interfaces has nothing to do with ifconfig
 
just dump it
 
Bob
it's ifupdown
 
my bad ;p
still the point stands. Just dump it
 
5:36 AM
hm
this uses network manager
 
5:52 AM
Aug 16 '17 at 2:39, by bwDraco
I miss eth0.
 
enxc0742bffdd77 on the other hand...
looks like a cat tapdanced on my keyboard
 
6:22 AM
Morning
today I was woken up by a cat in my bedroom
I don't have a cat
they're still here
should I make them breakfast??
 
That's how you get a cat isn't it?
 
Probably!
I mean, this one already has a[t least one] human
If the collar is anything to judge by
I think they're gone now
let the sneezing commence!
 
7:37 AM
Hey feeds, no need to tell me about that Meta Q twice
 
Bob
7:51 AM
that question has both and
 
@Bob Ah, I see
So feeds isn't smart enough to figure out "I've already posted this" and omit posting it ;-P
 
8:23 AM
morning
 
8:42 AM
Has anyone caught the latest season of Black Mirror?
@JourneymanGeek @DavidPostill This user has been posting a bunch of non-answers in an attempt to get undeserved rep/bounties.
 
9:09 AM
@rahuldottech Not the name I was expecting ;-P
Do you have examples?
 
@bertieb go to answers > latest
 
@rahuldottech I am there
 
@rahuldottech It suggests a solution / workaround
 
@bertieb It's a comment at best, not an answer
 
9:13 AM
@rahuldottech Generic advice, but if the HDD is/was the cause for the crashes it's an answer
@rahuldottech Why?
 
@bertieb Again, a comment at best
 
I am open to being convinced those are comments, but they don't seem that way to me
 
@bertieb in the second case, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that it may be an HDD error
 
There is little to suggest that, perhaps, but blocking IO on a faulty HDD can lock GUIs
 
@bertieb Sure. As can dozens of other things. Are they all valid answers, then?
 
9:16 AM
@rahuldottech yes!
They actually are
 
They might be wrong answers
But they are still answers
"not an answer" is for things that don't attempt to answer the question
things like "What is your OS?", or "I'm also having this problem"
@rahuldottech Okay, so doing that was pretty rude
 
@bertieb I can't explain it rn
but they don't seem like valid answers to me
 
what makes an answer valid ? :/
 
They don't make an attempt to understand and solve the problem
 
9:19 AM
I get what you mean
 
the fact it could possibly fix the problem?
 
As in
If I post all those dozen answers that may be the cause
Should the OP try each one?
 
i've not even looked at the question, but slow IO causing GUI lockups is definitely a thing, particularly in linux.
yes?
 
Of course not. The users are supposed to use the comments to arrive at a root cause for the problem
 
How else do you fix a problem with many solutions?
 
9:20 AM
And then propose a solution, to that cause
not just shots in the dark
 
Some questions are pretty broad
And attract "su try it and see" answers
 
@bertieb Again, that's why comments exist. To make them less broad and figure out the problem
 
@rahuldottech then every question is too localised.
 
@bertieb "try and see" are comments, not answers
 
I don't think so
They are answers
 
9:22 AM
They're low-effort shots in the dark.
 
Sure
Downvote them if they seem that way
 
But I see that you guys don't agree, I get it. I'm just going to wait for a mod to weigh in.
 
Fair enough
 
@bertieb fwiw I haven't downvoted either of those answers, so it appears that at least one other person agrees with me
@djsmiley2k If you haven't looked at the question then you should, before weighing in.
 
@rahuldottech If you think a post (question / answer) is not useful, you should
 
9:23 AM
Nowhere did I say that slow IO causing GUI lockups aren't a thing
 
That's what voting is for
 
@bertieb I tend not to downvote answers, unless they're outright spam.
 
@rahuldottech On that tangent- in that case, you should flag spam (which carries a DV)
You're welcome to upvote and downvote as you please, of course
 
@bertieb obv I do
 
Downvoting poor answers is helpful to the querent and future readers in the same way upvoting helpful answers is
it also helps suggest to the answerer that their answers need improvements
 
9:26 AM
@bertieb I use comments for that.
@bertieb I understand. But it's up to me, like you said.
 
And if a user accrues sufficient poorly-received answers they can be stopped from posting answers
Of course
I'm suggesting why you (the general "you", for anyone reading this) might want to use your voting privileges
Comments can be helpful too, of course
there are some other reasons that others more familiar with the intricacies of post reception could elaborate on
Roomba, protection from deletion, etc
There's a line to be drawn somewhere
But generally, answers (even if they are poor or generic) are preferred in answers rather than comments as it lets the community use its full range of tools to do quality control
Standard "as is my understanding" disclaimer to the above
in the sense I don't have the Meta posts to hand
 
9:42 AM
quite honestly? Downvoting seems like the thing to do.
 
@JourneymanGeek Do you think it's a valid answer tho? As in, should stuff like that be posted?
 
@rahuldottech well, I'd discourage it sure
 
Should a user not use the comments first to understand the root cause before posting the answer?
Because there are dozens of possible causes for any problem. And obviously dozens of corresponding answers.
 
10:00 AM
sute. But lots of people don't
But but
We encourage folks here to post great answers
not meh ones
 
 
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11:55 AM
 
@djsmiley2k Actually....
I think this person smells legit.
just lostish
 
yah maybe.
thought I'd highlight the fact.
 
Yup
it could have been a spammer
 
1:07 PM
Holy (removed)s, Batman!
The public version of the Mueller Report, brought to you by Bob in Root Access
 
Bob
1:17 PM
@bertieb Yea I somehow missed most of the discussion after Rahul's messages. Didn't really want to stack on.
 
Fair enough :)
waffles, you say
 
@Bob lol, now I wanna hear what you had to say, since I got the notifs with partial messages
 
mwahahaha
 
2:00 PM
Root Access: Bob: When evaluating a post, first you have fetch a goat. When you have selected one, take a jar of mustard ... (read more)
 
i so want a .yabigdaftie TLD now
 
@bertieb The temptation to change that link to a rickroll is tempting.
 
@Burgi You can't just buy every tld-- wait a minute, you're not Rahul!
 
hehe
 
@JourneymanGeek Ha :P
 
2:12 PM
https://rahul.yabigdaftie
 
:o
 
I smell ... a roast.
 
Roast covfefe?
 
in other news... HMRC, the UK tax office spent £11m on AWS. they got about £3m in taxes from amazon...
 
Did... did we both just "in other news" each other there?
 
2:15 PM
yeah...
 
:o
Twilight Zone music plays
 
best thing i've read today...
> Scared, Irgit screamed at the beast, hoping it would scarper. Instead it charged the lad, chomping down on his head and also injuring his hands and stomach.
 
wtf?
 
> The police report said that as the bear had its teeth locked round his skull, Irgit "managed to bite the bear's tongue off, after which the bear was frightened and ran away"
 
Reads like poor CaptainErsatz HP fanfic
Or maybe not
 
2:17 PM
its 50 shades fanfic
 
Ew
Ewww
 
Actually sounds like one of those terrible erotic novellas
 
So much ew
 
"Boned by Bigfoot"
"Carassed by the tentacles of the Kraken"
 
how to delete someone else's message
 
2:19 PM
"Twilight"
 
the second one is an actual hentai title
 
Wait, this isn't Google!
 
@Burgi well, its probably still a better love story than twilight.
 
Ah, top star
 
heh
 
2:19 PM
"Welcome to Root Access. You have backups, right? Have you been 'Boned by Bigfoot' ?"
 
its a virus!
 
I mean, Bigfoot could be the next major vulnerability
 
@Burgi that's pretty much an inception level fanfic (4 levels deep, by my count)
 
or the latest hardware related security exploit
 
Like Heartbleed, Spectre, Meltdown
 
2:21 PM
@bertieb dude, stop copying my brain!
 
I'm gonna go back to coding 'cause Burgi's got me covered :P
@Burgi no u
;-P
 
2:44 PM
Cryptocurrency, Cryptozoology...
small difference
 
both inexplicable and both are chased by mad fanatics
 
@JourneymanGeek naah
it's just that most of the people, who are excited about cryptocurrency do not understand it
 
@Burgi both about teeny tiny little things you can't see?
 
3:00 PM
its looking like there is a lot of cross-over between the fields
 
3:39 PM
if you put a website into maintenance mode what is the correct HTTP code that should be returned?
 
> The best HTTP status code for your maintenance page is "503 Service Unavailable
 
ty
 
...welp. My Surface Go bluescreened on me :\
 
ctrl alt del! oh wait....
 
4:00 PM
(0x7e SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED)
Not inclined to install WinDbg on this thing...
And no, I'm not keeping the 960 MB core dump.
 
4:14 PM
awww! but it could be a lovely pet
 
Sooo yeah
I wrote a couple of image filters I'd like to use in my automation chain
but it's going to be running on a server with no graphical framebuffer
I'm wondering how to install the software
but I'm scared to Google "headless GIMP"
(from the Department of Lowering the Tone)
 
Google it! You must!
 
4:32 PM
I don't wanna!
There's the batch mode for the running thereof, but I reckon installing it will pull in a buncha deps
Those cunning mind readers!
 
5:06 PM
Another generic answer: superuser.com/a/1447494/461558
apropos of discussion earlier today
 
@bertieb can you use imagemagick?
 
@djsmiley2k Yes and no
I've already written the plugins to GIMP's idioms
so I could - probably - port them to IM
I've done plenty else with IM, but not what some of these do
so it would mean learning more of imagemagick's idiosyncrasies
that said, the plugins/scripts weren't that complicated altogether
so porting might be one of those fabled "five minute jobs"
 
 
3 hours later…
7:58 PM
:O
 
8:55 PM
Huh... I did a bit of "workflow" with imaging the other day.
Created a Photoshop action to take a .tga file, drop the alpha background color to transparent then save it as a .png
Ended up extracting all the in-game icons from Dauntless in... about 15 minutes?
 
9:44 PM
First stable non-beta matrix version released! matrix.org/blog/2019/06/11/…
Editable messages coming soon!
(cc @bob @alq)
 
10:18 PM
> (These are in Synapse 1.0 and Riot already, but still stabilising so not enabled by default)
🤔
Where to enable? :D
 
Bob
10:53 PM
@rahuldottech I'm more interested in threading lol
 

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