Root Access

Burgi

12:15 AM

i'm going to bed

Journeyman Geek

Night

Hm. Trying to root my old phone so I can enable day dream vr support, then use the controller emulator on the jelly...

This feels like a proper rabbit hole + one of those fun more old hardware and time than money problems :p

Michael Frank

1:23 AM

Well that's inconvenient...

> The certificate expired on Monday, 17 September 2018, 11:59:59 AM. The current time is 17 September 2018, 1:23 PM.

Canadian Luke

Too late....

rahuldottech

1:50 AM

Dunno why I just made this, but I love it

I think it's gonna be my new (gr)avatar

I've had the old one for two years now

Shalvenay

hey folks -- got a storage devices question for you. what's the most reliable way to portably store small amounts of data? (key files, password manager master files, that sort of thing) ISTM it would have to be a USB-based something, but I have had poor experiences with losing Flash drives to either mechanical damage or Flash memory failure

Michael Frank

@Shalvenay Many flash drives!

+ online backup

@rahuldottech Looks cool.

Shalvenay

@MichaelFrank heheheh. part of the thing is that I'd like to use Tarsnap for that online backup thing -- but where do I shove the keyfile? (having the keyfile to your online backups in your online backups is kinda worthless :P)

Bob

What army prefers the low ground? The one that's already booby-trapped the high — Chromane 2 days ago

@Shalvenay paper

That Brazilian Guy

Weird. What would cause these traffic peaks nearly on every hour mark?

Bob

2:05 AM

@Shalvenay There's the old paperback and more recently bitcoin paper wallets (which are basically a QR code)

Shalvenay

@Bob QR would be good -- can you read QR codes with a flatbed scanner + software?

Bob

@Shalvenay Sure. You can read QR codes from images, and you can scan to image.

I'd still go USB flash drive for more accessible storage

but a QR code could be a good secondary backup

(QR/paper also has the advantage of not being able to transmit malware)

Shalvenay

@Bob yeah. are USB flash drives basically a commodity these days, or are there definite markers for better/worse reliability?

Bob

@Shalvenay It's a bit of guesswork, really. But as you go up the price scale you do generally find more reliable drives.

A big hint is I/O speed.

Shalvenay

2:20 AM

@Bob ah. so faster/pricier has better odds of not dying as soon/quickly?

Bob

@Shalvenay Again, guesswork :P

Shalvenay

@Bob nods

Bob

A read-only drive tends to last longer too.

Shalvenay

yeah, this'd be a read-mostly application, which I'm sure would help quite a bit

Bob

AFAIK most drives die from NAND wearout with too many writes (and lack of wear leveling).

Shalvenay

2:22 AM

(the drive that electrically died most spectacularly was being pretty badly hammered with writes)

Bob

@bwDraco probably knows more.

bwDraco

roar

What's the application?

Bob

@bwDraco Read-only/mostly backup of keys

27 mins ago, by Shalvenay

hey folks -- got a storage devices question for you. what's the most reliable way to portably store small amounts of data? (key files, password manager master files, that sort of thing) ISTM it would have to be a USB-based something, but I have had poor experiences with losing Flash drives to either mechanical damage or Flash memory failure

Shalvenay

backup and transfer, but yeah

bwDraco

I'd probably want to store multiple copies in separate flash drives.

While a premium, high-performance flash drive will use higher-quality NAND and therefore should not fail as easily, I'd prefer redundancy.

Bob

2:25 AM

@Shalvenay The idea behind prices and speeds is higher speeds tend to require better-binned higher-quality NAND, which also costs more.

At the highest end you end up with portable SSDs.

Shalvenay

@bwDraco yeah, that seems to be the common? solution to flash drive (un)reliability -- throw more copies/drives at the problem. paper backups using QR codes might be worthwhile for things like the key to all the backups

Bob

Which, incidentally, tend to actually tell you what NAND they use.

@Shalvenay My keepass keyfile is "backed up" by virtue of existing on like 10 devices spread across 2-3 physical locations :P

Shalvenay

@Bob yeah, that is a factor as well

I'd have at least 3 devices that'd have it + the flash drive

Bob

@Shalvenay If it's a key to your online backups, don't forget to have an off-site backup of the key.

bwDraco

There are devices that fall in between this; drives specifically marketed as high-performance will have better NAND than slower generic drives. Then you have "SSD-on-a-stick" devices which use full-fledged SSD controllers and SSD-grade NAND; these are about as reliable as mainstream SATA SSDs.

If you need long-term (decades or more) data retention, an archival optical disc like Verbatim UltraLife or M-DISC may be a better solution.

Bob

2:29 AM

If your house burns down and you have all your data in an online backup ... but lose all local copies of the key... that'd just be adding insult to injury.

@bwDraco IMO those are still unproven and relatively fragile.

bwDraco

But the optical disc is going to be more difficult to completely destroy in the event the key is compromised.

Shalvenay

@Bob yeah, that's the other thing I need to think about. don't think my bank has safe deposit boxes, unfortunately

Bob

@Shalvenay Can you leave one with a friend or family?

Perhaps further encrypted with a password/phrase you remember, if you don't completely trust them.

Shalvenay

@Bob I could leave one with a relative, but it's more a matter of making sure they don't lose it, toss it inadvertently, or the likes then anything else

Michael Frank

Leave one with every relative. Gotta have that redundancy.

Bob

2:35 AM

@Shalvenay Considering it's only in the very unlikely event of a total loss of your own home, that's probably not too big a concern. Just stick a label on it. "Important backup for Shalvenay, don't toss"

Shalvenay

@MichaelFrank most of my relatives are pretty far-flung, a bit far-flung for getting it back when needed

Michael Frank

Heh... guys behind me are trying to work out with presentation file is the updated one... They're all called "FINAL FINAL FINAL V1 PRESENTATION"

Shalvenay

@MichaelFrank lulz, tell them that's what git's for ;)

(one of the wonderful things about LibreOffice is you can save a single-flat-file version of an ODF doc using it)

Michael Frank

I ended up reminding them that their OneDrive has file history.

Shalvenay

good news is that the keyfile in question can just be cat'ed to lp0 -- no need for QR encoding (which is a good thing, makes recovery easier)

Shalvenay

2:54 AM

will have to do some further research on my own, thanks folks

Bob

@Shalvenay I'd say it's hte other way around, really. QR is fairly easy to read. Plain text requires OCR (that's the idea behind paperbak) but OCR is still rather inaccurate these days.

Michael Frank

3:45 AM

Google Sheets is really awesome... until it comes time to translate a complicated Excel sheet into a Google Sheets format and not everything works exactly as it did. :|

allquixotic

@MichaelFrank I've been using Sheets a ton lately for guild management in an MMO. It's good. Getting out of VBA habits to use their own scripting is pretty interesting though. At least it's JS

this is all baked first-party in Sheets though, not migrated from XL

Michael Frank

I use Sheets for all my household budgeting, but I wanted to try out a different budget sheet that was only an Excel download...

allquixotic

to be fair, the XL compatibility has gone up and up over the years

earlier on, it couldn't even import basic XL spreadsheets, at all, or properly

and many formulas didn't really exist or work equivalently

Michael Frank

For sure, it's actual really cool that most stuff works...

Just tracking down those weird conditional formatting or data validation checks that rely on named ranges that don't seen to be valid after an import...

bleh.

Bob

@allquixotic I thought yo uwere talking about a new iPhone for a moment :P

XL, XXL/2XL, 3XL, ...

allquixotic

3:56 AM

LOL

Michael Frank

Don't forget XS and whatever XC means.... Extra... Child?

XKCD

4:31 AM

If I wait a while, it's not so bad, because then it's just shaped like me, plus some pipes and tanks and probably eventually all of Earth's oceans.

Michael Frank

4:53 AM

10 minutes til home time... I turn around and someone here is staring at a BSOD...

> MEMORY_MANAGEMENT

It's taking an extremely long time to dump the memory.

allquixotic

5:05 AM

@MichaelFrank it's just XS and XR for this generation. no XC.

Burgi

5:21 AM

morning

Trouble Maker Chat Broom

Maybe I'm not paying as much attention as I've in the past, but I don't see many spam questions pop up as often as I used to.

Burgi

its 0621 and i am in work

Trouble Maker Chat Broom

Lettuce, tomato, mayo, and spam.... bam!!

Burgi

guess what, our ISP isn't here

Journeyman Geek

5:46 AM

whoo. Where has the day gone.

and I still haven't actually worked out how to root my old phone.

Apparently I need to install twrp and...

that says

> This means that swiping to allow system modifications will prevent you from being able to boot if you are using the stock kernel. In order to bypass dm-verity's boot prevention, you will have to install a kernel that has dm-verity disabled in the fstab.

and that's scary since I just need to... change 2 lines in a config page

ahh nvm

hmm

Bob

@JourneymanGeek dm-verity is fun

Journeyman Geek

actuallly, what I'm really trying to do is use another phone as a controller and there might be abother way to do this

@Bob "fun" ?

Bob

yes, "fun"

(I have no idea why you want to root)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob ahh, So that I can get the darn thing to have daydream support

so I can use the daydream controller emulator

so I don't need to hack a darned magnet into the VR headset so I can push buttons

.....

40% of OpenBSD installs lead to shark attacks. It's their only standing security issue.

I am that guy arn't I?

Bob

6:02 AM

@JourneymanGeek but why does that need root?

Journeyman Geek

@Bob cause I need to edit some system files in a RO partition

.... actually the more I think about it, the more likely I think I am to be eaten by sharks

The really funny thing is I have the perfect, simple, universal solution no one thought of on my desk - let the darn thing support a wired shutter controller

Bob

6:20 AM

@JourneymanGeek Ah.

Journeyman Geek

(and I even have a wired shutter controlled)

oh well

let me relock the bootloader

Burgi

WHERE IS OUR ISP????

Journeyman Geek

6:35 AM

Somewhere in the UK

I hope

Burgi

they were scheduled to get here for 0600 because they have to put a partial road closure in on major road to do the work on our building

Journeyman Geek

.... oh

wait, 6am?

Burgi

its 0740 and there is no sign of them

Journeyman Geek

Sounds normal

and its even too early to call and yell at them

Burgi

it is about to hit peak traffic for the next 2 hours...

Journeyman Geek

6:47 AM

maaaan

Burgi

7:09 AM

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK????????????

> In my absence your install has been moved back to tomorrow as originally planned.

I’m so sorry that no one contacted you to update you on this!

Bob

7:23 AM

oof

Burgi

they have a broken ssl certificate on their support page

they just phoned me and their engineers will apparently be here at 9am

Journeyman Geek

._.

Burgi

9:51 AM

they've just emailed...

> I am very, very sorry for the inconvenience however M24Seven Engineers will not be attending site today.

However, I am delighted to confirm M24Seven Engineers will attend site tomorrow TUE 18/09/2018 @ 07:00 to complete the installation for both `MYCOMPANY` & `TENANT`.

Bob

10:35 AM

> delighted

"23Seven"

lol

That Brazilian Guy

11:52 AM

@JourneymanGeek That was me and pfSense this weekend

That Brazilian Guy

12:26 PM

After losing an entire day (9am - 11pm) all I can say is...

something is broken

allquixotic

@Bob you mean 24Six?

Journeyman Geek

no no

M24 is the size of the screw that's loose....

7 is the number of engineers they have worldwide.

That Brazilian Guy

No no, they are available 24/7 to work for a few hours

Just not the ones you need

That Brazilian Guy

12:58 PM

Facebook thinks I'm Asian. At least half the ADs it shows me are in either Chinese or Japanese. Sometimes Korean, Thai, etc.

Journeyman Geek

I read that as aslan

My old, inactive FB account keeps trying to introduce girls to me

That Brazilian Guy

Once I talked on FB messenger (about work) to a gay dude. For WEEKS, all FB showed me as friend suggestions were shirtless muscled dudes.

3

"were", not "we're"

allquixotic

1:28 PM

@JourneymanGeek that's my Singaporean friend

lolololol

Journeyman Geek

1:41 PM

@allquixotic this... is probably true

or as someone told me

"Oi, how come ORD you scully not blur ah?"

boingboing.net/2018/09/17/spiders-blamed-after-broken-si.html

allquixotic

@JourneymanGeek I don't even recognize that as English

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic ORD is the day your full time national service ends.

Scully = suddenly

Blur - singlish.net/blur-like-sotong

means clueless, I think space cadet would be a good replacement?

allquixotic

my friend ORDs in November

what about you

Journeyman Geek

I orded a long time ago ;)

allquixotic

and you still serve?

Journeyman Geek

1:56 PM

Well, reservist

though they don't call it that now

but I basically get called back about once a year

allquixotic

so like "Hey, how come after ORD you're suddenly not acting like an idiot, huh?"

that's quite a deep translation effort :P

Journeyman Geek

or close to it

(Had to basically get a half dozen people verify that I returned any equipment that needed to be returned, all with different schedules... some of whom I actually had no equipment to return to, but had to sign anyway... I was... efficient ;) )

But ya, that's a tradeoff for the conscription system

you have a massive pool of manpower

none of whom are motivated very much

Dog

Do you get paid though?

bwDraco

2:13 PM

roar

@Shalvenay Believe it or not, I've actually done this before.

Journeyman Geek

@Dog yes

not well, but yes, you get paid and fed.

Dog

2:43 PM

Maybe more money would encourage more motivation

allquixotic

2:56 PM

marine.man-es.com/applications/projectguides/2stroke/content/… wow tons of detail on the highest output diesel engine in the world

allquixotic

5:27 PM

!!zalgo blagseiof eldomlng

ChatBot John Cavil

Server error (status 500) occured (message probably too long)

2

bwDraco

6:01 PM

cnbc.com/2018/09/17/…

Wow.

bertieb

6:14 PM

@bwDraco The actual email is well written and appropriately reflective

That headline almost had me wondering about some kind of #MeToo disclosure, which was presumably the clickbaity point

grump

Burgi

7:36 PM

@Dog that would bankrupt the state

bwDraco

8:30 PM

tomshardware.com/news/mydigialssd-usb-nvme-ssd-m2x,37805.html

It was only a matter of time.

Michael

I wonder if it would be possible to create a dongle that lets you connect extra RAM to your computer via USB.

rahuldottech

@Michael No. USB speeds are too low for that to be of any use

Dog

@Burgi Conscript fewer people and pay them more?

rahuldottech

However, see: readyboost

@bwDraco That has existed for a pretty long time

Dog

Hmm, 2x 1TB 860 Evo or 2x 1TB 970 Evo. SATA vs NVME, both M.2, but the latter costs 50% more...

bwDraco

8:40 PM

@rahuldottech Not NVMe over USB 3.1 Gen 2.

rahuldottech

@bwDraco youtube.com/watch?v=bT1BSfP-NTc&t=7s amazon.in/SilverStone-Technology-Enclosure-retractable-aluminum/…

bwDraco

NVMe over Thunderbolt is easy because the underlying interface (PCIe) is the same.

With USB, you'd need a PCIe to USB bridge. That kind of device is much harder to find.

rahuldottech

@bwDraco ^ Has existed at least since the beginning of 2018

bwDraco

That is an M.2 SATA enclosure.

That is not a PCIe device.

That only requires a common and relatively inexpensive SATA to USB bridge.

allquixotic

> inexpensive

bwDraco

8:43 PM

I have not heard of an NVMe PCIe to USB bridge until now.

allquixotic

that MyDigitalSSD device only costs $40! with two cables!

craaazy

bwDraco

Wait, what?

Wow.

allquixotic

yup

bwDraco

Ah, okay. JMicron came out with a brand-new PCIe to USB bridge that enables this: thessdreview.com/ces-2018/…

It's this JMS583 bridge that makes this device possible.

The price... is a real surprise. I thought it would cost closer to $80.

rahuldottech

@bwDraco Yeah, the USB thingy I linked costs around 80USD? At least here in India

bwDraco

8:46 PM

Especially when you're talking about such high-speed storage devices.

@rahuldottech Like I said, that's not PCIe. That's SATA.

rahuldottech

@bwDraco Yes, I know, I understood

bwDraco

What we're talking about is an NVMe to USB bridge.

rahuldottech

What I'm wondering is why it's more expensive than the nvme bridge

bwDraco

Eh, prices in India are kinda messed up.

rahuldottech

How much does the sata thing show up for on amazon US?

Hm, MyDigitalSSD has $24.00 shipping to India. I'm considering it...

djsmiley2k

8:51 PM

Prruuuup. I wonder how work was today (don't actually care.)

rahuldottech

Okay, I have an exam in a few hours, going offline to study

Wish me luck

Goodnight

bertieb

Welp

I just logged into LiveJournal

There's a phrase I didn't think I'd say again

Also

gl, hf Rahul!

here's hoping your eyes don't elide the characters between the 'g' and the 'f'...

allquixotic

they always do with Rahul :P

bertieb

@allquixotic Now I have this in my head but s/Gaston/Rahul/g

No one's slick as Rahul
No one's quick as Rahul
No one's neck's as incredibly thick as Rahul's
For there's no man in town half as manly
Perfect, a pure paragon!

...maybe I need less caffeine

or more, I forget

bwDraco

9:15 PM

Two years old, but a gaming monitor with a calibration report in the box? Seriously? tomshardware.com/reviews/…

> If we didn't know better we'd think we were reviewing a professional display.

lol

Burgi

10:11 PM

ITS HERE!!!!

We Made a Banhammer (feat. NerdCubed)

►

rahuldottech

10:26 PM

I am so screwed

darkattack

hello anyone here?

rahuldottech

@darkattack no.

darkattack

nice one

could you help me ? :P

rahuldottech

@darkattack no.

(Since I don't know what you need help with)

darkattack

well bro look i have ubuntu 16.04 OS

installed magento platform

and i have some problems with apache propably with rewrites

when i lock dir for public everything is alright

when i remove dir protection

css and images couldnt load...

403 Forbidden

do you know anythink about this?

rahuldottech

10:37 PM

@darkattack I suggest you ask on serverfault.com

They may not appreciate you dropping in on chat, in which case write a proper question with all relevant details and post it.

I wish you the best of luck

darkattack

okay!!!

thank you bro

have a nice day!

William

11:33 PM

is there a way to use filezilla or some other ftp tool with a local drive?

basically I am needing to resend my current files onto a hard drive and don't want to spend time reuploading the duplicates

Burgi

why not open two explorer windows?

William

@Burgi won't that reupload the duplicates?

I'm on Windows 7 that might be the issue

Burgi

i'm confused as to what you are trying to do

William

files have a timestamp

Burgi

you've uploaded things to a server and then want to copy them to another location on the remote server?

William

11:44 PM

ftp prevents well gives an option not to upload same named files with identical time stamps

no I have 2 hard drives

I want to use filezilla with 2 local hard drives

Exactly what I said

Burgi

so you want to move only files with a certain timestamp?

William

more recent timestamp

use filezilla or really any ftp software and you should get/understand what I mean

Burgi

no i do understand, you just explained it in the worst way possible

sort the files by date descending then drag and drop

or you can use some sort of fancy powershell command to do it automagically for you

William

@Burgi no the folders are nested

and identical timestamp but different size should also be copied

great share the command

because I guarantee its not easy as it sounds

I have written bash commands of this before

I said what I wanted I want to use 2 local drive with filzilla

not to mention filezilla can be started/paused

Burgi

XY problem

William

11:56 PM

@Burgi not when your solution doesn't solve the problem

and my problem has a solution that I am referring to

I am familiar with XY problem and frankly it is way over used

Burgi

dude seriously, i've spent 15 minutes peeling back the layers of obscurity you have wrapped your problem in to get to the basics

William

yeah and it that time I have found and installed an ubuntu ftp server that I can connect to by my other computer

Burgi

you want to copy, recursively, all the files from one drive to another matching timestamps and only copying if the filesizes are different

William

and you have only assumed you understood/understand the basics

with pausing and stopping

the pausing and stopping is the kicker feature

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