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12:19 AM
@Ramhound or they chose to make the acquired company's CEO the new company's CEO
 
Today I found out that MS Word will happily pretend to print pages that don't exist in a document if you use the "Print Specific Range" setting.
Oh wow... Service Alert from yesterday reads as followed "All Telephony at Site B is down. Users unable to place or receive calls. Please note, Site A is actually down as Site B is not listed on the report form."
Site B is vaguely close to Site A, but still entirely separate.
 
12:53 AM
@djsmiley2k It has for years
The SO/Careers focus? Money. (and that was a really bad bet it seems)
And they now do want to get the smaller sites growing (and Juan and Catija's team is basically all about that)
I don't particularly like the new user badge since 1) we can see it. 2) n00bness is not a sign of lack of quality.
a new user who has lurked for an extended period of time will have a better idea of how we do things than a long term user who just refuses to learn that the network has been evolving over time
3) we can read reputation
Also, there's a small but enough of minority that are going to be hostile to new users
 
1:26 AM
Unrelatedly
that looks hilariously top heavy
 
lol
Build a robot statue. Call it a "concept".
 
Also not ewok proof
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek NSINSFW
 
hm?
not so ... ??????
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek not sure if nsfw :P
 
1:34 AM
oh ;p
WHAT DID YOU THINK I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
Its a box with legs
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek No comment :P
 
Bob
2:04 AM
@JourneymanGeek That Discourse FAQ is hilariously inappropriate for fox's forums :P
 
@JourneymanGeek Long term users that create an account on a new Stack site also seem to get the New Contributor tag.
 
tbh, I ALMOST GET THAT
Cause my one question on skeptics basically needed a lot of work to reach their standards
But but.
I'm wondering if a really new user would have gotten the same help I did
 
3:04 AM
I don't see how it matters, really. It's just a reminder to be nice. New users don't deserted preferential treatment, but they do deserve slightly different treatment.
 
3:15 AM
WOW
The story is amusing... but the Twitter exchange at the end if AMAZING.
 
3:38 AM
@rahuldottech but we can already see its a new user
also, just got shadow of war...
its fun. though I managed to play it till my fingers cramped 0_0
 
3:54 AM
@JourneymanGeek meh. Some people don't. Now they do. I don't get all the hate that this feature is getting.
 
Because "Be gentle, this user might blog about what a terrible experience our site offers!" was too long.
 
@MichaelFrank .... ehhh
More that that I don't really feel it impacts the new user experience in any real way
I'd rather see some version of the new question wizard
 
At the end of the of the day, if it helps users to start living by the code of conduct, it is doing it's job.
 
@MichaelFrank well, I don't think the COC has/should affect the way any of us behave at all
 
"us" as in people that hang out here?
 
4:07 AM
Ideally the community here as a whole
We don't have... the n00b hatery some sites have
 
 
Dog
5:05 AM
Thought I hadn't had any disk I/O errors since July since logread -f wasn't printing any new lines of errors. Nope. Log just got rotated so handle got broken and logread wasn't actually -f'ing the log anymore.
 
 
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Bob
6:09 AM
@MichaelFrank @JourneymanGeek Time for a new adblock rule: ##.new-contributor-indicator
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6:48 AM
@djsmiley2k I hope you don't mind, I hope you don't mind, that I put down in words...
How wonderful life could be, if you were in the world...? couldn't figure out what would fit my life at least there. and the grammar is weird
 
7:23 AM
Goog morning! :D
3 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek
We don't have... the n00b hatery some sites have
yeah, yeah, sure.. keep saying that.
 
Dog
I hate n00bs
 
6 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek
a new user who has lurked for an extended period of time will have a better idea of how we do things than a long term user who just refuses to learn that the network has been evolving over time
@Dog then, you must be of the belonging to the small but enough n00b hater regime.
6 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek
Also, there's a small but enough of minority that are going to be hostile to new users
 
@Nick well, that was in general
 
Well, better not risk it. The n00b uprising should start before skynet, anyway.

 The Inspiration Cave

Are you new at something? Stay here and talk about it. Get ins...
^a flytrap just incase.
 
7:41 AM
Morning guys
 
Your namespace is, so to speak, a cargo cult namespace, being essentially useless for this code. I am in no position to convince you for anything, just did a humble code review as you requested. Have a nice day. — Your Common Sense 1 hour ago
@Bob //cries
Tell me they're wrong
 
morning
 
@Burgi hola
 
Bob
@rahuldottech idk, I don't do PHP
 
Whatever. I like namespaces now. So I'm keeping it.
My library, my rules
 
Bob
7:50 AM
I will say it looks very typical of the common complaint about PHP: hacked together with little thought to design or reusability.
The kind of thing that's acceptable (if not ideal) for a quick'n'dirty project but ... not very good for a library with the goal of others using it (or even yourself in more involved future projects).
(I say typical of PHP because while the language technically gives you most of the tools you need for good design, it grew organically to that point and makes it easy to ignore most of those tools... often to the detriment of code quality.)
@rahuldottech Most glaring issue? Apparently configuration involves modifying the library.
 
@Bob Haha, okay, I'll create a function for it, I've been meaning to
 
Bob
Actually, I'm not sure whether that's a bigger or smaller issue than the use of ini_set in a library.
idk what's normal for PHP, but setting global settings like that seems ... wrong. Moreso in a lib.
Maybe it's normal there *shrug*
 
@Bob I don't have an option there, it's being used on shared hosting where ini_set is the only option
 
Bob
@rahuldottech Just keep in mind that anything I say is from the perspective of C#/Java/etc. (even JS). I really don't know what's normal or accepted in PHP-land.
 
@Bob I don't have an option there, it's being used on shared hosting where ini_set is the only way
Plus, ini_set is only valid for the current script, it's not permanent, so it should be okay
 
Bob
7:59 AM
@rahuldottech So it does not affect any other scripts that include this one?
 
@rahuldottech :P
 
Bob
I suppose for something global like a session, it doesn't matter all that much.
 
@Bob no, it only affects scripts which include this. And from what I've seen, ini_set seems to be the most common way to change cookie sessions without changing them in the real .ini file for all scripts on the server
 
Bob
@rahuldottech I feel like, apart from legacy/organicness, one of the biggest issues with PHP namespaces is ... the syntax.
Backslashes? WTF.
 
Actually, it's also the only way without changing the ini files. And you can't change ini files on shared hosting
@Bob IKR? WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
 
Bob
8:02 AM
@rahuldottech I suppose part of the question is: is your goal a proper session library that manages everything itself (including presumably using a custom cookie), or is it just a snippet for configuring the PHP session and some helpers?
It feels more like a snippet + helpers rather than a self-contained library.
That's not really a problem but it does kinda point towards how much encapsulation you need.
 
@Bob How much do I need?
(I got no idea)
 
Bob
It also makes OOP difficult because things like ini_set aren't really tied to an object lifetime.
Should they always run? Does the order matter? How early does it need to run?
@rahuldottech I think the namespace is better than nothing (keeping the global space cleaner, at least) but from here? idk where you should go.
you could probably ditch the s_ prefix
 
after talking to @Bob i realise what a shit programmer i am
 
Bob
@rahuldottech (more reason what I say generally doesn't apply to PHP) since everything, including the application, is request-scoped by default, this is quite different from a traditional application that may be longer lived
@Burgi huh, why? o_O
@Burgi or maybe I'm just making things up on the spot :D
 
i just hack away until it works
i probably need a massive refresher course on the principles or something
 
Bob
8:16 AM
@Burgi That's not necessarily a problem, and is especially great for smaller projects like what @rahuldottech's doing
Most of my projects start out that way :P
(gtt is due for a refactor, actually... bleh)
The difference here is if Rahul intends to write a library for others to use, it should be as nice to the user (dev) as possible
That means minimal interference with outside code, etc.
 
agreed
i spend more time fixing terrible legacy code than writing new stuff
our customers are literally the worst
they won't pay for anything
 
Bob
@Burgi and so the cycle continues :P
 
yup
 
@rahuldottech I wouldn't listen to just that guy ;p
 
i have three personal projects i want to build
rebuild my blog in WP
rebuild the CRM i built for my friend's company in laravel
rebuild the eve online website i have as a roll your own OOP project (for the learnings)
all will probably be badly written and awful
shrug imposter syndrome
also there is that phenomenon that you are always in the bottom 20% of your friends/peer group in terms of wealth, skill and happiness
 
8:49 AM
@Bob thanks so much. So, ToDo for now: drop prefix, set up either a config file or a function for preferences. Since the lib will be included by all the pages of a website, I think it'll be better to use a conf file rather than call the function on each page
@Burgi STOP USING WORDPRESS
 
@rahuldottech why?
 
I mean, do what you want, I just personally dislike WP
 
if you want a web job you will have to know wordpress
 
It's a mess, it's insecure, it's riddled with bugs, it's a pain to keep updated, updates keep breaking plug-ins
 
@rahuldottech Although I dislike it too, I don't think PHP or JS are more suited for blogging sites, are they?
 
8:51 AM
Oh, I know it. I have worked with it quite a bit. It's just that I'd never go out of my way to choose it as a first preference
@avazula WordPress is literally PHP and JS, dude
 
its rather like PHP, it has a low barrier to entry which means there are a lot of bad coders out there which is where the poor reputation comes from
@rahuldottech so is windows
 
@Burgi if you want something lightweight, I'd recommend that you give bludit.org a shot.
WP can be done right, it just rarely ever is
 
no.... i want something that i can demo in job interviews
 
Ah. WP is the way to go then
I wish you luck
 
and if the job touches wordpress then you need to show you can use it
 
8:53 AM
@avazula a The Good Place fan, are you?
@Burgi I'd still never use it for my own blog/site. But that's just me.
Hey, remember the time I wrote my own CMS?
 
@rahuldottech Ha, okay. I don't really know web programming (just started building websites using JS and related frameworks for charities), so I thought WP was kinda weird unique language.
@rahuldottech Let's just say I really like Janet :)
 
I should put it on GitHub, it was a neat little script
 
i wrote my own CMS, it was shit
 
@avazula WordPress = Blogging and website CMS, written in PHP
@Burgi seen it. Geek and proud? ;P
 
i rest my case
 
8:56 AM
@avazula it's a great show
 
@rahuldottech ok :)
 
@avazula that's pretty cool
I've built a few websites for charities in the past. Fun :)
Anyway, I gotta go back to watching Franklin and Bash and doing chem homework. See y'all later.
 
@rahuldottech I actually kinda like web programming. It's very different from my usual thick-client C++ programming / deep learning but it's fun
@rahuldottech enjoy!
 
@avazula it is fun, yeah!
@avazula :)
 
Basic wp is pretty simple though. I suppose something hipster like ghost would be more impressive
 
9:03 AM
@JourneymanGeek ghost doesn't support comments. Which is cool and hip and whatever, but sometimes You. Need. Comments.
That said, I really should probably learn node.
 
Comments are kinda the least fun part of wp for me
 
@rahuldottech Node is cool!
@JourneymanGeek But maybe not for your audience :)
 
@avazula it's mostly spammers and trolls :p
 
I'm neither spoum nor troll! :o
 
9:32 AM
I mean my comments are 90% spammers caught by akmiset and most of the rest are trolls off SE
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, that's the suffering of being mod I guess...
 
comments on the internet are literally the worst thing about humanity
 
Often true
 
@Burgi I'm curious... why do you care to have them on your blog then?
 
i was young and naive
 
9:39 AM
haha
 
@avazula hence ghost not having it is good
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah I recalled your previous comment about ghost which is why I asked Burgi
 
and i refer you back to if you want a web job you need to know the industry standard CMS
 
true
I'm not in the web design field but I'm pretty sure lots of companies swear by WP
 
@avazula there's a few reasons for that
It is insanely easy to stand up and manage
 
9:44 AM
speed of development, cost, minimal training
 
Yeah, and it's super friendly for CMs. I tried to convince my commissioner to let me use that kind of tech for it'd be easier for them to write articles and news with it, but they didn't want anything but Bootstrap (which does not serve the same purpose at all, to my knowledge).
Looks like they only wanted a beautiful site but didn't care how difficult it'd be to maintain for they are not close to familiar to programming
 
bootstrap is just a presentation layer
 
I know! but they wouldn't listen
 
you can build the WP theme using bootstrap principles
 
I don't get the point of them having to write their articles in the source code
 
9:52 AM
and i thought i had to deal with idiotic customers...
 
10:12 AM
@avazula setup something that works
show them it working
then go 'well if you want this awesomeness, you need to let me use X,Y,Z'
if they go 'no'
you go 'well seeya!'
 
Hahaha
@djsmiley2k It's true I should have the last word since I'm the only developer (even though I'm usually working on thick clients) and I'm doing it for free, so...
 
don't work for free
 
@Burgi it's charity
 
ah ok then
 
^^
Plus it's a great occasion to learn web programming (which I know nothing abt)
 
10:23 AM
Charities have money
if they don't, they're unable to help anyone anyway
Many charities pay better than their profit earning counterparts (because no need to make profits).
> ipswich-WAN has stopped responding (TTL expired during transit)
Wuhuhoh.
@avazula Learning is great
Being paid to learn is greatest.
4
 
I get your point :) It's not the case here though. it's an organization from my former school, they gather soon-to-be expired food to give it for free to students who lack of money. They don't buy it, they ask grocery stores to give it to them. They need a website to be visible to the students and to ad toward the stores that could help them
 
> We may have previously sent you an email in German in error. We are sorry for the inconvenience this may have caused.
INCONVENIENT DEUTSCHE
 
10:46 AM
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11:03 AM
I'm back!
@avazula Okay, I'll get hate for this
But I dislike bootstrap
I know, I know, everyone uses it and it's great and whatever
But in my experience, viewport + proper style-sheets can do the job equally well, and often even better
Bootstrap is bloated and unnecessary, in most cases
 
@djsmiley2k Good news everyone! I've found out how many Dead by Daylight videos I have to upload. Bad news (for working through video subs): it's 50...
 
@rahuldottech I actually agree
 
@avazula :)
 
heck it didn't link to your previous post @bertieb
 
@avazula Bad news nobody?
No wait, that's the supercollider superexploded
The one there is I made myself sad, I think
 
11:14 AM
@bertieb bingo!
 
I can't wait for the day when my knowledge of cartoon trivia helps to save the world...
:P
 
@bertieb Have you watched their new show, Disanchantment?
 
@avazula Not yet, any good?
 
its meh
there are some funny bits but overall i wouldn't go out of my way to watch it
 
@bertieb you will likely need to wait a long while
 
11:21 AM
I actually kinda like it. It's quite different from what they'd have been doing though
 
@JourneymanGeek Tomorrow, you say?
I'll get around to it eventually
(the new show)
 
@bertieb I'm more impatient about the new Rick and Morty season
 
I've just recently started watching Absolutely Fabulous (not a cartoon) and really enjoying that :D
@avazula Right?
Also is it just be me, or does Bob Odenkirk's Saul from Breaking Bad remind anyone of Rick Sanchez?
 
Never watched it, wouldn't say if you're right :)
 
rick and morty was meh too
first 2 seasons were great but it trailed off rapidly
 
11:29 AM
Breaking Bad is worth a watch... kinda stressful if you get invested in these things tho
 
@bertieb ok, so that's a big nope for me then haha
 
@bertieb man old school
 
@JourneymanGeek I know, right? Somehow it passed me by even though my family like it
Had a recommendation for it from an American friend so gave it a go
Now I'm hooked, sweetie darling :P
He also really enjoys Doc Martin, so may give that a go afterwards
Might be a bonus that I've been to Port Issac (where it's filmed in Cornwall) a few times
 
@Burgi So you work for free? Sounds like you need to renegotiate your contracts so customers actually pay for support and enhancements ...
 
@DavidPostill basically yes
 
11:41 AM
@Burgi What's wrong with Drupal, Joomla, django? WP is only 60% of the market.
 
that is a majority share
 
@AndyK This is not an appropriate room to just drop your questions into ... especially in the middle of ongoing conversations ...
 
if you look at web development job adverts they tend to ask for wordpress experience rather than the others you mentioned
 
@Burgi That does not make it a standard. Standards have letters like ISO and IEEE and RFC in their names ...
 
defacto standard
"only 60%" when the nearest competitor has a 5.9% share shows the domination it has other the marketplace
 
11:48 AM
@Burgi So you want to compete against millions of WP developers? Isn't it better to be an expert in a pool with fewer competitors?
 
@DavidPostill Couldn't one know both? :)
 
this -^
i also know that @DavidPostill is trolling me ;)
 
Haha, ok. I'm terrible at spotting irony IRL, so guess what it is online ...
 
@avazula :)
 
@Burgi Another survey says 30%. Don't believe everything you read on the intertubes ...
 
11:51 AM
@bertieb OVH?
They sent me a french one
 
@DavidPostill again the nearest competitor is still in single figures
 
@djsmiley2k Twitch
 
@bertieb to peices you say?
 
@djsmiley2k lol xD
One of my favourites
 
On that note
 
Wordpress says Wordpress is world leader! Wordpress Blog confirms!
Wordpress! Wordpress! Wordpress!
 
haha
 
It's still horrifically bad at securing itself when using addons.
 
builtwith.com is a 3rd party site
 
11:55 AM
Which is what windows was like 10 years ago.
 
this circles back to the low barrier to entry
 
@djsmiley2k Urh. I hate Windows 10 so much.
The only reason I keep it is Adobe
 
> United States
8,641,545*
United Kingdom
350,089*
Russia
269,080*
 
@Burgi yah
php
>_<
 
Clearly biased towards trumpington ;)
 
11:59 AM
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!
 
@Burgi rabble rabble about what?
 
just in general
 
Okay haha
I thought it'd be because I ranted about W10 then I remembered we're on SU.SE
 
@DavidPostill thank you for updating me on the rules
true I did not say I had a question this time
 
12:21 PM
@avazula there's a certain amount of os diversity here :p
 
@JourneymanGeek I guess so haha, I just didn't want to offend anyone :D
 
You'll have to try harder than that to offend us
 
Haha, good to know :)
Makes me think, I could search on SU whether other people had RAM issues with W10 as well
I've been troubleshooting for months but the pb comes back
Huh, I'm gonna have a look
 
Have you tested your ram?
 
@djsmiley2k In a HW way?
I haven't, I surely should
I think I'll have a hard time opening the laptop though, I don't understand how these new, fixed battery laptops get to be opened.
 
12:29 PM
memtest86+ that omofo.
 
@avazula If you know someone with an MSDN subscription, get win10 LTSB
 
@avazula @Dog could educate you on that, i don't advise trying it tho.
 
You won't regret it
 
@rahuldottech .....
 
@djsmiley2k IT'S GOOD, OKAY?
 
12:30 PM
What's that gotta do with bad ram?
@rahuldottech if it was that good, we'd all be using it, okay?
 
@djsmiley2k if you had MSDN, yes you would
 
@djsmiley2k What shoudln't I try, open my laptop or talk to @Dog?
 
don't try following @dog's instructions on taking laptop batteries apart
 
@avazula both
 
Haha, okay
 
12:32 PM
UGH THIS SIM CARD
 
@rahul I just checked what's W10 LTSB. Still doesn't sound as good as W7 to me. You guys don't like 7 because it's EOL?
 
tbh i don't like windows
but tbh I don't like all OS's, they all suck.
:/
 
@avazula it's basically win7 with all the under-the-hood improvements of win10. I like win7, but it lacks native support for stuff like USB3 and newer hardware. And it's EOL which can't be good.
@djsmiley2k @djsmiley2k works only in machine code, clearly
 
lol
No, I just realise how good things COULD be.
oh yey more zefrank.
 
My homeserver still runs win7 tho, because it's old hardware and win7 is the best for old hardware
Amongst all the windows editions, that is
 
12:36 PM
@djsmiley2k Good Lord lol, what's the least bad then?
 
Y'all Bhutan is so beautiful
 
was I in the middle of something big...?
 
THE NIGHT SKY
@AndyK I don't know, pal. Were you?
;p
 
@avazula I like gentoo, but opinions vary
 
@rahuldottech me neither. omg... rules!
 
Dog
12:40 PM
@djsmiley2k Hey I took my ideas from Bob
 
@djsmiley2k Oh. Didn't know about that one.
If you ask me i'd say µC OS-II but that's off topic haha
 
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