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That Brazilian Guy

12:13 AM

> I am from India, IT support and I can confirm that people from out here love to do a reply all most of the time. They believe in getting the word out to as many people as possible. If you point out their mistake they will invest time to prove how they are correct and your thinking is wrong.

> Oh my goodness, your last sentence. I've only ever experienced this with my Indian colleagues. Ask for advice, then disagree and explain why my advice is wrong. Why did you ask then? Or they will just agree to my face and quietly go do what they were going to do anyway. So strange.

> Someone told me once that it's part of Indian culture, especially with men, that they cannot be wrong, so when they are "wrong", they will either try to explain their way around being wrong, or will sandbag it and hope nobody notices/shift the blame to someone else. Dunno how true it is, although it was an Indian person whom I heard it from.

Oh My God, Brazilians are the Indians of America. Or Indians are the Brazilians of Asia.

@Ave I don't know about Oi, but the manufacturer (and maybe Oi) might argue vehemently that your hardware warranty is expired.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Isn't warranty a lie anyways

That Brazilian Guy

What do you mean?

like IDK about br but in tr I had zero luck withwarraty

That Brazilian Guy

It exists as in "it's broken, fix it or give me a new one" then you get it fixed or exchanged.

The put a lot of hurdles but it works.

As in, stay on the phone for hours to get a code.
Then get directed to the only certified repair shop in town.
Then wait for a couple weeks or more for their reply.

even when I didn't touch software and handled hardware with care, every single time I had to sent it to them, they returned saying that it's user's fault

That Brazilian Guy

12:18 AM

Now that I think about it, my warranty experience with "shady shops" is much superior than of proper legit chain stores.

Shady shops as those:

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"Hey dude you sold me broken stuff"

"Oh really? Let me check... Yeah it's broken. Here, take a new one. Bye".

"Thank you"

Be it an BRL 15 mouse or a BRL 600 phone.

well, fuck oi, we're already on lineage.

That Brazilian Guy

\o/

\o\

/o/

Guess who researched for phone models and managed to even then buy a non-supported phone?

Fuck you Samsung for making three different phones with the same model code!

@ThatBrazilianGuy yeah this morning for us was basically that

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until that happened she was this close to getting the samsung j7

That Brazilian Guy

I bought this phone (Galaxy On7 / g600fy) that has an unofficial linage rom

YEAH THE ONE I BOUGHT

FUCK YOU SAMSUNGGGGGGGGGGGG

Because the Moto G was a nice cost / benefit phone up until the Moto G 2

Now it's BRL 800 ~1000+

And the On7 was BRL 500

And "hey, lineage, unofficial but still..."

"Oh no let's not trust the name, let me check the model ID..."

"Yeah g600fy it checks"

I get home... Try to flash.... "GAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH"

To make matters even better it is sold basically in India and Brazil

11 mins ago, by That Brazilian Guy

Oh My God, Brazilians are the Indians of America. Or Indians are the Brazilians of Asia.

So it's basically Samsung telling us poor second rate citizens to shut up and buy shit.

@ThatBrazilianGuy my phone is basically the same

turkey, india, also br I believe

That Brazilian Guy

12:28 AM

What I really hate is the non-modularity and non-standardization of Android.

Desktop PCs are modular, expansible and standardized.

Imagine if not only I couldn't install Linux on my PCs...

...but if I had to hunt bizarre obscure forums for compiled Linuxes for each desktop and laptop model

That's reason for riot and fire in the streets, how's that not happened yet?

That's... so... GAAAAH.

And it's the way things are headed more and more with each passing year.

We're relics of the past.

also @ThatBrazilianGuy I just saw that br also calls 4g 4.5g

turkey does too

That Brazilian Guy

No, we have 4G. Well. Sorta.

What are the official 4G speeds? Is there even a non-marketing spec of actual 4G speeds?

9 hours ago, by That Brazilian Guy

@Bob We "solved" that by introducing... 4.5G I kid you not.

9 hours ago, by That Brazilian Guy

We can't call it 5G for legal reasons! So marketing came up with a nice, meaningless term! We present you... 4.5G!

@Ave And speaking of "fuck Oi"...

9 hours ago, by That Brazilian Guy

So... Yeah, Brazil's biggest ISP deployed 5000 home routers with no telnet password, publicly accessible with public IPs.

Turkey is basically brazil but smaller. But much less accepting of LGBT people legally, yet much less violent towards trans people (just look at the size of brazil on this list), with more censorship and around the same amount of corruption.

@ThatBrazilianGuy thankfully luna has an intelbras router. Which is an amazing name for a company, tbh.

oh wait no she switched to tplink

That Brazilian Guy

@Ave "Indústria de Telecomunicação Eletrônica Brasileira"

@Ave I switched to "I'll build my own router with ~~blackjack and hookers~~ pfSense"

It evens authenticates PPoE and drops any and all packets from WAN.

@ThatBrazilianGuy oh that makes sense.

That Brazilian Guy

12:36 AM

My ADSL router is basically a passthru to pfSense

also I just realized that her router MAY support ddwrt

depending on revision

she's away checking that now

That Brazilian Guy

@Ave (taken from wikipedia)

at this rate by midnight her whole house will run better mostly FOSS software

YES IT SUPPORTS DDWRT

That Brazilian Guy

Wait, you're remotely talking her thru installing LineageOS and dd-wrt?

well it's easy to install LOS

That Brazilian Guy

12:38 AM

You're the badassesst, coolest geek coup...tripl... people ever

@Ave But you had to unlock the bootloader... adb... fastboot... hunt the correct bootloader... install teamwin... backup... risk bricking...

or they got rid of all that too since I last did it?

one of the first things we did with one of my partners was installing arch

it took 5 hours

@ThatBrazilianGuy well yes that is the steps

That Brazilian Guy

@Ave "easy".

I did harder stuff.

a lot of them actually

That Brazilian Guy

Well my experience with guiding people over the phone is basically:

I have no idea how pfsense works tbh

if I did I'd set it up.

That Brazilian Guy

12:44 AM

Neither did I, I learnt as I went, tbh I'm still learning.

I can run it in a VM and just passthrough the network card, right?

That Brazilian Guy

For a single household it's more an exercise in itself, but it can help for a bigger household or a small or medium enterprise.

@Ave Hmmmmm I'm not entiiiirely sure. I run it on a two-NIC PC.

ADSL Router -> (NIC 1 -> pfSense -> NIC 2) -> Wireless AP -> Everything else

Not sure if you NEED to do it that way but it's simpler doing it like this and I had this mini-ATX mobo around so...

I have a rack server in my room that I use for various purposes, that's why I'm asking.

That Brazilian Guy

envy

A few advantages I have running pfSense (that's barely the tip of the iceberg):

- I can watch in a glimpse the network traffic, either in total realtime graphs or each node up / down

- I can set up custom firewall rules based on a huge set of criteria

- I can use pfSense as a VPN client and all network nodes are automatically on this VPN

I like that last one.

Does it support OpenVPN?

I could also use L2TP as PIA supports that but eh

That Brazilian Guy

12:51 AM

- I can use Squid as a local proxy and cache for popular sites or data intensive stuff (distro mirrors, windows update, etc)

@Ave Yes!

- I can auth PPPoE on pfSense itself and block any incoming packets via firewall, so NOTHING can reach my router (in Brazil most routers get a public IP)

in fact I get a few dozen hits per minute on random ports

@ThatBrazilianGuy netprimus does cgnat

That Brazilian Guy

- I can block ADs and malware (like pi-hole) on the router for all my network.

- I can load balance and better share up and down channels thru all the devices

(as in, someone is uploading video to youtube and spending all the huge 500kbps uplink and even my ACKs can't get thru and everything halts? no more!)

There's more, but that's all I can think of.

The last two conflict on the pfSense version I have (2.3.4) so it's either one or the other

I could upgrade but I run it from a flash drive and they got rid of that on the later versions :'(

The CPU and RAM requirements are ridiculous, an Atom CPU idles at 3% and 200 MB RAM

Which ISP are you on btw, how much do you pay and what are the speeds you get?

Also how stable is it?

That Brazilian Guy

Guess which.

oi

That Brazilian Guy

1:02 AM

Yeah. What else?

@Ave They make it intentionally very confusing to know how much you pay, because combos and small letters.

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BIG LETTERS BRL 49,90

smaaaalll letters "as part of the 204,90 montlhy combo"

that's a lot of money.

That Brazilian Guy

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They change prices and speeds for different cities.

Let me confirm if those are for Rio

Besides, if you signed up for lower speeds and higher prices, the don't tell you.

You have to call them and complain.

oh fucking vodafone does that for me

That Brazilian Guy

I get 10 Mbps because my shitty copper cabling can't get me higher speeds

apparently my plan was lowered from 90 to 75

I still pay 90. Until I complain it'll be 90.

That Brazilian Guy

1:09 AM

Back when I had tech support residential clients, I once had this lady who paid twice the price of 5Mbps to get 300 kbps instead of 5 Mbps. One phonecall later and it was fixed.

Journeyman Geek

@Ave ._. Then everything turns into a pumpkin? Or runs windows? ;p

Let me check my last cable bill... (I'm responsible for Internet and networking in this house)

Journeyman Geek

hah.

My current telco is awesome everywhere but work

I pay 65try

That Brazilian Guy

@Ave To be honest I have to check as it's all in my wife's name and I just give her the money for half the bill

1:10 AM

which is around uh, 10gbp and 13usd. Keep in mind that TRY is dying and losing ~2% value PER DAY

That Brazilian Guy

OH AND THEY FORCE ME TO HAVE A LANDLINE JUST BECAUSE.
So I have a phone jack going directly to the router and a phone number that I have to provide them when I call tech support.

back when I signed up it was same price but it was like 20usd

and I signed like half a year ago

$65 for 200/5 Mbps HFC cable Internet service, with $10 off ($55 effective) with a TV bundle. Not a promotional rate; we're paying full retail rates.

The TV service is not cheap.

But yeah for that money I get 75/4 VDSL, it's VERY stable.

I pay extra ~$3 for static IP

That Brazilian Guy

@Ave And for stability... It's surprisingly stable.

1:13 AM

After taxes and fees, total cost (with enhanced cable TV service) is ~$162.

That Brazilian Guy

But one thing I learned about Brazilian ISPs is... It's a fucking roulette.

Standalone 200/5 Mbps Internet service is $65, with no taxes or fees as long as you have your own modem. There's also no data caps.

also I get 1000 minutes of free landline stuffs inside country but I don't use it. Also I can cancel whenever I want without any issues or any fees.

That Brazilian Guy

I've seen people having either great or shitty experiences with Oi, Net, Vivo.

Vivo has data limits which are ridiculous. No other ISP does.

(Charter Spectrum in New York City)

1:15 AM

br ISPs have weird names

That Brazilian Guy

Well everyone has them in theory on the contracts since forever. Only Vivo enforces it

here we're like VodafoneNet, Superonline, TurkTelekom

That Brazilian Guy

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"Oi Tim, você ainda está vivo? Claro!"

My Internet service performance is, far more often than not, excellent.

Uploads aren't great at 5 Mbps, but that's enough to deliver a very smooth RDP experience.

@ThatBrazilianGuy shdfgjshdgfuywaf

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That Brazilian Guy

1:17 AM

@Ave Did you get it?

yes

That Brazilian Guy

Tim Maia (Portuguese pronunciation: [tʃĩ majɐ]; September 28, 1942 – March 15, 1998), born Sebastião Rodrigues Maia in Rio de Janeiro city, was a Brazilian musician, songwriter and businessman known for his iconoclastic, ironic, outspoken, and humorous musical style. Maia contributed to Brazilian music within a wide variety of musical genres, including soul, funk, bossa nova, disco, romantic ballads, pop, rock, jazz, baião and MPB. He introduced the soul style on the Brazilian musical scene. Tim Maia is internationally recognised as one of the biggest icons of the Brazilian music. Tim Maia recorded...

^--- Awesome musician, by the way.

Even funnier pun because he isn't, in fact, really alive.

@Ave Ok so I'm paying BRL 133 for 10 Mbps down and 0.5 up

oh god

that's just sad

That Brazilian Guy

Technically split between R$ 48 for phone and R$ 85 for internet

why is it so expensive

That Brazilian Guy

1:27 AM

MEANWHILE ON THEIR WEBSITE THEY SAY 85 BRL FOR 35 MBPS AND BRL 49 FOR 15 MBPS

BUT I PAY BRL "85" FOR 10 MBPS

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

sounds like you'll have to call oi

and enjoy 35mbps for 2 days before they change it back silently

That Brazilian Guy

"You have reached KafkaCo your call is very important to us...."

@Ave So... Funny story (if you're not me that is)

oh god

don't tell me that that happened

because that happened to me.

That Brazilian Guy

I had had Oi internet back in 2005 or 2006. Back when it was 300kbps.

Then it was cancelled because reasons.

Then I wanted it back in 2009.

I kept asking for years. Literally fucking years.

Nothing. "You're out of coverage area".

One day my wife picks up the phone and calls them. BAM. Accepted.

The tech arrives and can get me only 5 Mbps. FIVE.

We complain and complain and they spend hours on two different days to get me 10.

And here's the kicker: if I go to my window and look across the street, the first thing I see is Oi's ADSL building. 100m from my window. Literally.

So... Funny, huh?

amazing

1:32 AM

@ThatBrazilianGuy The DSLAM isn't necessarily where the office is.

the buildings next to mine have fiber, they pay around the same and get better speeds

and here I am, no fiber.

We had ADSL on Verizon ~~many~~ a few years back before we completely closed our account with them and switched to Time Warner Cable for basic Internet service ($15/month 3/1 Everyday Low Price).

Feb 10 '15 at 22:22, by DragonLord

Even the $15/mo. Everyday Low Price service is better than what we're using right now and it costs less than what we're paying for DSL

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well I sort of feel like luna is enjoying lineage.

I wish I had an Android phone...

Journeyman Geek

2:07 AM

Hah.

I zink I have 4 or 5

I have a few, but they're all very old and not very functional.

How old?

Journeyman Geek

Heh oldest I have is a htc one v

@Ave The most recent one is a Nexus 5 with a borked power button.

Then I have a couple Alcatel OneTouch monsters

Our family is on Android phones.

Had a Nexus 5X fail due to the dreaded bootloop issue.

Currently on a OnePlus 3T; I don't see a good reason to upgrade, even to the OnePlus 6 (three generations forward).

My parents both use the Moto G5 Plus.

Journeyman Geek

2:27 AM

so embarassing

Big ones here - Starhub, M1, and singtel - all 3 are full service (fixed lines over fibre optic, though that's maintained by a different company - starhub also does cable internet and TV). Myrepublic is internet + MVNO, then there's a few smaller internet only ISPs and a few obscure MVNOs

That Brazilian Guy

@bwDraco No, I mean, their DSLAM is across the street, not their offices.

Or so I was told.

WTF.

That Brazilian Guy

@Ave Which is her mobile carrier and how much she pays for how much data?

guess what she's on

That Brazilian Guy

I pay BRL 40 / month for 8 GB and unlimited local calls

AFAICT it's the best deal in the whole country.

I can give you the info if she's interested.

claro.com.br/celular/planos-pre/prezao

2:42 AM

Considering she got like 15gb shared between her and family today when she bought the phone, I'll just assume that she's not exactly going to be able to switch plans anytime soon

That Brazilian Guy

Oh.

then again she's 18 (starting today!) so she can just get her own phone line thing

That Brazilian Guy

YAY Congrats!

What are you doing here, go celebrate!

How would I celebrate it?

That Brazilian Guy

Well use your imagination

Journeyman Geek

2:43 AM

@bwDraco I have the op3. Bad luck aside....

@Ave by installing linux on everything

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@ThatBrazilianGuy well that's already resolved, however we're still celebrating it in other ways, one was setting up the phone in LOS (which was smth she wanted to do in a long time).

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco OP is literally the sort of build quality I used to get on my beloved HTCs, without the brain dead software choices

@Ave LOS?

LineageOS

Journeyman Geek

oh lineage not line of sight.

That Brazilian Guy

@JourneymanGeek She want to have the phone really near at ALL times.

@JourneymanGeek penguin Oprah: You get Linux! You get Linux! Everybody gets Linux!

Clean bed sheets are so comfortable.

Why don't we get auto-cleaning and renovating bed sheets?

It's 2018 already!

We can get * 10^32 IPs, self-driving cars, but no self cleaning bed sheets?

Journeyman Geek

2:48 AM

cause physical is hard.

You can't code a bedsheet.

Though in theory, all you need is 2 rolls. and a super long bedsheet

but knowing the industry it will be IOT, and you pay for it as a service and can only use their special bedsheet cartidges to be sent back to be cleaned by their service

considering we got smart condoms (that, btw, don't prevent pregnancy or stds. they don't even cover the necessary parts.), I bet that it won't be long before we get smart bed sheets

wait whelp kickstarter.com/projects/marshallhaas/…

There's a kickstarter for smart underwear at the moment. Never needs to be washed!

That Brazilian Guy

@Ave Smart condoms? I'm both curious and afraid to ask.

@Ave Lots of tables ans schematics and vague angled photos and... that's all.

oh no it's a scam

Journeyman Geek

@Ave not sure what's so smart about them

2:55 AM

wait IoT in general is

Journeyman Geek

and sensors are sexy

physical engineering costs actual money and time, and imagine if one of those things sucked say a small dog up by acident

I'd kill for a sheet that straightened itself.

Journeyman Geek

.... do you not use fitted sheets?

yea, but we must be... boisterous sleepers, it always comes untucked.

On top of that, we have a memory foam topper, so the sheet only barely fits anyway.

Journeyman Geek

ah

That Brazilian Guy

2:57 AM

@JourneymanGeek How would an underwear suck a small dog up by acident? That's... quite specific.

Journeyman Geek

.... the bedsheet

That Brazilian Guy

Oh I see. The underwear would suck the bedsheet.

Strange household you have there.

Journeyman Geek

IOT man

its a strange new world of things that suk

That Brazilian Guy

When you get bugs on your IOT house, you call pest control or tech support?

Journeyman Geek

or an exorcist

I'm actually debating installing IOT switches in my room. So my mom can stop yelling for me and turn my lights off and on

1 hour later…

4:07 AM

Huh... Apparently the US Senate voted to restore Net Neutrality...

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I guess the sticky can be changed?

4:28 AM

Urgh. How is this happening again.

I think I need a week without drugs to calm the fuck down.

Also, hi. And @Bob, you were right.

As always. Dammit Bob why you so smart

Also thanks for your support guys, @Bob, @JourneymanGeek and fucking hell I can't believe I'm saying this but also @bwDraco. For helping me and not kick/banning me despite my recent drug-induced verbal diarrhoea

We're with you, @TMLCat. Get well soon.

Journeyman Geek

@TMLCat cause he's clever like a fox.

@MichaelFrank I'll leave the other one up for a bit more ;)

@TMLCat you're pretty darned smart when you put your mind to it. Maybe too much, and yeah sort this out please! ;p

5:32 AM

Also @allquicatic @bertieb and @djsmiley2k you're nice.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic ;p

(its ok, I cannot spell that without autocomplete either.)

@JourneymanGeek problem is the only thing I can be bothered to put my mind to is girls and cats. Alas I am failing on my quest to become a girl-cat.

Journeyman Geek

@TMLCat and knowing almost everything about the intricacies of cell coverage.

Something I add, is currently driving me nuts XD

2 hours later…

7:17 AM

morning

7:47 AM

@TMLCat Thanks?

if you are on windows

stevemiller.net/puretext

8:04 AM

morning

o/ Morning

@TMLCat Thanks dude 👍

how long are you off work for?

Just the time I was in hospital last week

[Un]fortunately not a free skive card

Plus the dressing is a lot less impressive now

so they are forcing you back to the digital coal face

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8:16 AM

dude you have condoms on your fingers

Ha :P

when my mum had keyhole surgery on her finger after slicing the end off they plastered her up to the elbow

Aye, the roll-y bandages do look a bit suspect :P

Like, plaster of paris plaster??

Seems excessive

as in if you break an arm plaster

Hum, I guess they wanted it immobilised

How long for?

8:22 AM

a week or so i think

That's pretty inconvenient :-\

Journeyman Geek

@bertieb On the bright side, we don't need to rename you bertie three fingers.

Even if its an awesome gangster name.

@JourneymanGeek lol

Yeah :P

especially if you play up on the Glaswegian accent

8:57 AM

really we still have no good tools for logrotation on windows? :/

or maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.

for which application?

IIS has daily rotation

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