Root Access

12:23 AM

It's settled down at about 37 dBA.

The main motivation for getting an SPL meter is having an actual number to compare against. I see reviews giving noise levels in dBA and wanted to have something that's accurate enough to let me make meaningful comparisons.

allquixotic

> # ./spectre-meltdown-checker.sh
Spectre and Meltdown mitigation detection tool v0.37+

Checking for vulnerabilities on current system
Kernel is Linux 4.15.0-15-generic #16-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 4 13:58:14 UTC 2018 x86_64
CPU is Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5630 @ 2.13GHz

Hardware check
* Hardware support (CPU microcode) for mitigation techniques
* Indirect Branch Restricted Speculation (IBRS)
* SPEC_CTRL MSR is available: NO
* CPU indicates IBRS capability: NO
* Indirect Branch Prediction Barrier (IBPB)

there's the new box

> # ./spectre-meltdown-checker.sh
Spectre and Meltdown mitigation detection tool v0.37+

Checking for vulnerabilities on current system
Kernel is Linux 4.4.0-119-generic #143-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 2 16:08:24 UTC 2018 x86_64
CPU is Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-1620 v2 @ 3.70GHz

Hardware check
* Hardware support (CPU microcode) for mitigation techniques
* Indirect Branch Restricted Speculation (IBRS)
* SPEC_CTRL MSR is available: YES
* CPU indicates IBRS capability: YES (SPEC_CTRL feature bit)
* Indirect Branch Prediction Barrier (IBPB)

there's the OVH box

bwDraco

Well... no wonder this old laptop was so annoying while gaming, sometimes keeping me up at night. It measured 53 dBA at typical working distance with the fans on full speed.

Jan 5 '17 at 3:49, by bwDraco

I'm kinda used to 50+ dBA noise from my laptop under maximum load...

Bob

12:54 AM

morn

@bwDraco I'd guess it's the gaming that's keeping you up at night, not the noise caused by it :P

bwDraco

@Bob No, the noise.

It's not an issue if I'm far from it (my old studio setup had the laptop on the opposite side of the room) but this new bedroom won't allow it.

Bob

o.O I have a +75 comment

FML Cat

2:32 AM

@Bob Where?

Bob

@FMLCat skeptics skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/41093/…

FML Cat

@Bob Hah, I wonder if we can make your comment beat the answer itself in upvotes

Bob

2:47 AM

@FMLCat it dropped off HNQ a bit ago, so unlikely :\

RogUE

4:01 AM

I have seen a few logs from dmesg in Debian. The following one is logged 5 times:

[ 94.264417] [UFW BLOCK] IN= MY LTE DEVICE INTERFACE OUT= MAC= THIS MUCH IS MY LTE DEVICE'S MAC : I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS SRC=185.22.172.239 DST= THIS IS MY LAN IP LEN=595 TOS=0x08 PREC=0x20 TTL=48 ID=14582 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=443 DPT=34368 WINDOW=558 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0

this is after a freeze.

allquixotic

@RogUE oh, you know, just the usual bots trying to probe you to see if they can hack you or figure out who you are

happens all the time

soooo many botnets out there whose goal is to understand what's running on every host on the internet. What OS, what patches, who are you, what's your up/down bandwidth, how snippy is your firewall, etc.

silently dropping all inbound packets is a good idea

RogUE

does it has anything to do with the freeze?

and these strange lines were there too:

[ 27.533518] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22
[ 27.533540] NET: Registered protocol family 31
[ 27.533541] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized
[ 27.533544] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized
[ 27.533546] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized
[ 27.533552] Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized
[ 27.566776] Netfilter messages via NETLINK v0.30.
[ 27.594894] device **MY LTE DEVICE INTERFACE** entered promiscuous mode

allquixotic

what "freeze" are you talking about?

you mean a suspend to RAM/standby?

RogUE

Debian just froze when I tried to open music player

nothing works, just like a still photograph, or a screenshot.

allquixotic

the BT bit is from 27 seconds after you booted up, which is very soon after init - probably just autoprobing and detecting your bluetooth chipset

RogUE

4:07 AM

my boot-up was several minutes before

allquixotic

no, I mean "[ 27.533518]" means that those messages were printed 27 seconds after the kernel initialized itself

that has nothing to do with however long it takes you to get to the desktop

RogUE

I think that is because after the freeze, around 2min later, I was presented with a log-in screen.

And I do not have a BT device connected to my PC.

allquixotic

most common WiFi cards these days also have a Bluetooth chipset, whether you know it or not

and those messages about initing Bluetooth will be printed regardless of whether you're using it or not

RogUE

The wifi dongle is not attached.

allquixotic

that firewall block was probably just normal background bot traffic attempting to scan your PC and the other dmesg messages looked harmless; the actual cause of the freeze is more likely to do with a performance issue (slow HDD), bad graphics driver, etc.

@RogUE hmm... I think it actually loads the Bluetooth core module on bootup even if you don't have Bluetooth hardware, and as part of the "probing" routines where it tries to figure out whether you have Bluetooth hardware, it prints those messages. again, no big deal

RogUE

4:13 AM

@allquixotic Or is it because of the log-in?

The log says the destination as my local IP, how can the bots see my local IP?

allquixotic

4:57 AM

github.com/allquixotic/iepmm @Bob :P sigh

Bob

5:26 AM

@allquixotic ewwwwwwwwwwww :P

FML Cat

@allquixotic pretty normal

RogUE

5:46 AM

@FMLCat If that is the case and I the firewall is working as expected, all is well.

Bob

7:14 AM

Someone's writing a Yu-Gi-Oh! fanfic. — LastStar007 21 hours ago

2

A: What would convince people to solve disputes with a deadly card game?

I need to add a few filler characters, but my answer (and it is a serious answer) is: Vodka

Michael Frank

7:36 AM

When the instructions are wrong, and you know they are wrong, but you follow orders cause that’s what the instructions say... 😐

> 1. Backup the folder contained in C:\pos\01 called DB

> 2. Restore the 0x folder you backed up into C:\pos on the new computer

What’s wrong with these instructions... HMMMMM? I wonder!

user226528

> Though I Fly Through the Valley of Death I Shall Fear No Evil. For I am at 80,000 Feet and Climbing! (Sign over the entrance to the old SR-71 operating base Kadena, Japan).

Michael Frank

@allquixotic Re: the IBM laptop, they’re pristine... but running on centrino processors :|

djsmiley2k

8:22 AM

@MichaelFrank 0x, as in swap $x for value of computer ?

oh, you only backed up the db folder? maybe that's all that matters?

Journeyman Geek

@MichaelFrank Pentium M or core. Centreno was basically Intel processor chipset and wifi as a platform

user226528

9:20 AM

Who am I kidding. None of you would be interested.

user226528

AFK.

Michael Frank

@djsmiley2k Nope! Turns out you needed to backup the 01 folder, instead of just the DB folder like the instructions specified.

@JourneymanGeek Oh, Pentium M.

Journeyman Geek

oi. Good processor in its time.

Twas a little scamp that outperformed their full sized chips

William Mariager

Hey everyone

djsmiley2k

9:39 AM

@MichaelFrank ah Nice :D

Woooooooooooo

another old switch removed from infra

along with a PoE injector \o/

Burgi

14

A: How to make new employee accepting of light profanity at the workplace?

If someone in rural Australia can't handle the occasional F word maybe they're not a good fit or they are trying to change the culture of an entire nation. I'm in Sydney and I've worked in large companies where there is no swearing at all and also worked in smaller companies where the F word is ...

djsmiley2k

I just....

it's like my friend online

he started a new job at a huge company in based in london

and comes online when we game, whines that he's left alone on lunch, and no one has 'taken him around the office'

I'm like.... so?

Journeyman Geek

10:07 AM

lol

"Hey, this is cargo area A. It smells strongly of chicken poop in the morning"

..... he wasn't lying. Just didn't make it clear what the magnitude of the stench was.

djsmiley2k

lol

Is chicken Poop like Pig Poop? really distinctive?

iirc chicken poo isn't a nice smell, where pig is vaguely pleasent

user226528

10:37 AM

When someone mentioned devgru today, I thought he's talking about a software development guru.

user226528

So, a little heads up: It is not.

user226528

Also, another heads up: I've spent hours alone creating deployment images. I am susceptible to rambling.

djsmiley2k

Why is someone asking me about changes I made 3 weeks ago

user226528

Because they wanted to ask you for 3 weeks and couldn't get a hold of you?

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k I had to ask security for directions...

I think they thought I was dying.

user226528

10:40 AM

Why? Did they call an ambulance or something?

user226528

Or a priest?

Journeyman Geek

naw, just facial expressions.

Was quite a stench, and got me into a coughing fit

user226528

Stench is the worst.

user226528

By the way, what's Spyfall?

Michael Frank

Google says... A boardgame!

user226528

10:49 AM

Apparently, StackExchange has weekly spyfall games in a chat room.

djsmiley2k

oh man I love developers

'The access I didn't request, isn't open!'

spyfall.crabhat.com/tiejks

well, lets play eh?

@MichaelFrank google told me to go to this site and start a game

Burgi

@djsmiley2k BUT WE NEED ALL THE ACCESSES!!!!!

Seth

11:04 AM

@djsmiley2k I love users. "Why is this not working?" the proper answer "Just read the E-Mail I send last week and you will know".

user226528

I wonder where I can lookup error numbers like 0x80070002.

Seth

@FleetCommand so what is devgru? According to Wikipedia it might be Seal Team Six?

user226528

@Seth Yeah. That's what I discovered. They weren't talking about computing at all.

user226528

DEVGRU is the Navy counterpart of Delta Force.

Seth

Interesting to know but yeha, I'd have been confused as well. :D

Burgi

11:15 AM

my sister is being induced today

Michael Frank

> The redemption deadline is December 30th, 2017 at 10:00 AM Pacific. You have 0 days left!

Immediately after 10AM Pacific on December 30th, the Steam key will magically vanish as if it were just a figment of your imagination, leaving this cryptic message behind in its wake.

Welp... I guess I forgot about that key. D:

user226528

Is it really what's written? Or did you make it up just now, as a translation or something?

Michael Frank

Nope, that's straight from the purchase page on Humble Bundle.

user226528

Ah.

user226528

Humble Bundle. Makes sense.

Seth

11:24 AM

One of the free keys?

Michael Frank

No, I'm sure I purchased it...

Seth

hmmm

Michael Frank

Ahh, no it was a free key.

or at least, there is no price tag beside it's line on my purchases page.

user226528

Speaking of Humble Bundle, I've heard there is going to be a Shadow of Mordor goatie!!! Not sure what that means.

Seth

On another bundle page I had a case where I actually purchased keys and they had a nice reminder that you should use those keys by XX because it would become rather difficult after that date.

Goatie or GOTY as in Game of the Year edition?

user226528

11:28 AM

Ah!

user226528

That makes sense.

Michael Frank

Yea, I recently went through all my keys and redeemed everything I hadn't.

user226528

LOL. Yeah, I guess GOTY is pronounced goatie!

user226528

They should pronounce it [GAH-TI]

user226528

Then again I think "goatie" would remind them of "goatee".

Seth

11:35 AM

I got quite a few keys I can't redeem because I already own those games. :(

user226528

Good for you. Enjoy them.

djsmiley2k

0

Q: ESD wrist strap ground to AC ground resistance issue

Recently we have completed the installation of ESD floor, table mat and wrist strap grounding in our lab. We have connected ESD grounding with the AC grounding at panel board to ensure that everything is in the same potential. As per the spec the resistance between AC ground and ESD strap ground ...

esd

I think someone was lost, when they asked this

allquixotic

@Bob but yeah, that's going on Maven Central and being immediately consumed by one of my projects at work

Michael Frank

@Seth Gift them!

Burgi

wtf... one of the guys at our IT company has sent me a really snarky angry email

allquixotic

11:44 AM

I wrote tests using mocking :D github.com/allquixotic/iepmm/blob/master/src/test/java/org/…

(needs more though)

djsmiley2k

@Burgi send it back

Burgi

i've forwarded it on to his boss complaining that it is unprofessional

allquixotic

@Burgi awesome

Burgi

in feb, they asked me to add two MX records to a domain of ours. which i did.

they neglected to ask me to remove the existing ones

apparently thats my fault

djsmiley2k

hmmmmmm no

it's perfectly logical to have many

user226528

11:48 AM

You want me to come over there and kick their *****?

djsmiley2k

Also, you are the client right?

Burgi

he didn't need to send a snarky email about it

user226528

?

djsmiley2k

agreed

user226528

I could argue that all snarky emails are unnecessary.

Burgi

11:48 AM

@FleetCommand can i have an A please Bob? ;)

user226528

So, yeah.

Michael Frank

@Burgi Heh... See my earlier rant about unclear instructions.

Burgi

he could have phoned me saying "hey thanks for updating those could you delete the old ones too?"

me > sure no probs dude

instead, he has irritated me by being snarky

i can only guess that his bonus is linked to this somehow... shrug

user226528

The following updates cannot be integrated into a Windows 8.1 image with DISM. While these updates are CAB files, they do not have the ordinary structure of a Windows update. Instead they carry .msi files. Ouch.

> KB2962183
> KB2962184
> KB2962185
> KB2962193
> KB2962194
> KB2962195
> KB2962196
> KB2962197
> KB2962198
> KB2962199
> KB2962200
> KB2962201
> KB3080457
> KB3081397
> KB3081398
> KB3081399
> KB3081401
> KB3081402
> KB3081403
> KB3081405

user226528

Okay, I shouldn't have pasted it here.

user226528

11:58 AM

But there you have it. Just FYI.

Seth

I still don't get why it's even necessary to constantly update the image yourself. Usually it seems like Microsoft doesn't release any update images. At least each 6 months or something should be doable for them ...

user226528

@Seth They're doing exactly what you said about Windows 10. And exactly in that time window.

user226528

I am preparing to install Windows 8.1 on a lot of slow computers. Installing updates from WSUS would take a lot of time for them, so I prepared images.

user226528

One solution is, of course, to install Windows 8.1 on a fast VM, update, sysprep and deploy.

Burgi

12:13 PM

since when has belkin owned linksys?

user226528

O.o

user226528

Belkin owns Linksys?

user226528

@Burgi Since 2013. :O

user226528

@Burgi Get this: Between 2003 to 2013, it belonged to Cisco! :O :O :O

Burgi

i knew that

thats why i bought a linksys product in 2005, because it was a Cisco router

Seth

12:22 PM

@FleetCommand they start doing that? That's nice. I always loath those Windows Server "vanilla" images you need to patch for hours or keep constantly up to date yourself.

Burgi

@FleetCommand Plot Twist

user226528

@Seth You didn't know? Hadn't you ever heard about "Anniversary Update" or "Creators Update"? Well, they are feature packs; like service packs but full images with updates and new features too.

user226528

Also all Windows 10 updates are cumulative. This means you get like four updates for the last month and you are set.

user226528

Well, except those updates are like 1 GB in size.

user226528

Microsoft later introduced delta update packages that only include changes since the last update, but you can still get full updates, if you want.

user226528

12:32 PM

Even delta updates are cumulative. You can no longer get a single update that addresses "a security vulnerability that allows remote code execution if when the user presses F9 and smiles at the same time."

Seth

Yes I didn't. I do know about Anniversary/Creators updates. But I didn't know they re-release the images. You're right that if you handle them as SPs from old it would make sense to get new images. On the other hand I'm more interested in updated server images. So like Server 2012 R2 or 2016.

user226528

@Seth There is not gonna be a 2016 R2. Instead, they released a Windows Server 1709. (I guess "Windows Server 2017 September" was too long.) And they are releasing 2019 too. It'll come out in 2018 too.

Burgi

Every Generation Answers: What Was Your First Screen Name? | Ars Technica

►

djsmiley2k

well that was fun

logged into a windows 10 machine in the contact centre

pretty sure they should be fully upto date

it told me it needed to do a large update, upto 6Gb

is that the one that broke things last august?

user226528

Nah.

user226528

12:41 PM

6 GB isn't one update.

user226528

It is either several updates...

user226528

... or several updates. A feature pack is bigger.

djsmiley2k

Would it autodownload a roll up and you about it?

eitherway, those machines are controlled via WSUS here, I believe....

user226528

Yeah. It does. Windows 10 is actually famous for doing that.

djsmiley2k

so why isn't it upto date already o_O

user226528

12:42 PM

You said it: WSUS.

user226528

It depends when and how the latest updates are approved.

user226528

WSUS does exactly that.

user226528

It lets an admin test updates.

user226528

Then approve them from production machines.

djsmiley2k

Yeah

except.... either it is on WSUS

and should be auto updating

or it isn't.... and should be autoupdating

it shouldn't be just not updating

unless they are releasing the updates (they being the operations team) to the contact centre first...

user226528

12:44 PM

Open a PowerShell window and issue this command:

user226528

(New-Object -ComObject Microsoft.Update.ServiceManager).Services

djsmiley2k

not on the machine now

user226528

The latest version of XKCD is merely a repetition of one its previous issues that said "someone on the Internet is wrong".

djsmiley2k

(They're still wrong).

Burgi

@djsmiley2k i thought you weren't in tech support any more...

djsmiley2k

12:51 PM

I'm not, I just logged into it to see if my recabling had broken anything

user226528

Well, not knowing about that certain PowerShell command is consistent with no longer being in tech support.

djsmiley2k

Also I've taken up a new hobby, when ever I'm under desks, I keep any pens I find

Burgi

lol

djsmiley2k

So far I'm up to 11 pens

user226528

LOL

user226528

12:52 PM

Do any of them write?

Burgi

who controls the stationary cupboard?

ugh.... trying to explain to my parents why SDHC cards won't work in their camera

djsmiley2k

@Burgi I'm trying to think of a sensible comparison, but can't come up with anything

Oh

'DVD's won't play in a CD player'

it fits, but no worky

Burgi

personally i think it is time to get a new camera

LOL

djsmiley2k

1:12 PM

Why the amazing ToS then Apple?

if you're just selling products.

Andy K

hey guys

quick one

Burgi

No

;)

djsmiley2k

I wonder if

theregister.co.uk/2018/04/24/…

all the snippits in this

given to a different search engine

may.... point to the original thing anyway? XD

Andy K

how can I create a table of contents in English, if my word is in French...?

djsmiley2k

@AndyK I think you'd have to make one in french, and translate it.

I don't think word for example, will automatically translate like that.

Andy K

1:16 PM

@djsmiley2k actually there was only 2 words, des matières, and change it to of contents

voilà

Burgi

@AndyK google translate or manually do it

djsmiley2k

Nice :)

Now post it as a question so i can reap all the rep

(joking!)

SpartanDonut

2:04 PM

Any recommendations on a DSL modem? I'm most likely going to bridge to my own router so fancy wifi capabilities aren't necessary (though I know basically all modems have some form of wifi built in)

TP Link seems good but doesn't seem widely available in the US :|

Ave

buy a switch

SpartanDonut

Yes.... I need a modem

Burgi

but he needs a modem

SpartanDonut

lol

Bob

@SpartanDonut forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2043690

I think tp-link usually uses trendchip

Ave

2:07 PM

buy an xserve and install pfsense

Burgi

tbh in the UK most DSL modems come pre-bundled

Bob

they have some broadcom ones though

forum.tp-link.com/…

SpartanDonut

Yeah I have the option to lease for $10/month or buy for a flat $100 but they can't tell me what model I'll get

from my ISP

Bob

basically, do you want stability or speed?

Burgi

they are free over here

Bob

2:08 PM

in other words, how's your line to your local exchange?

Burgi

@Ave, i'm beginning to see why you never have any cash or time....

Bob

from there pick broadcom or trendchip, and from there pick the cheapest modem that has the chipset you want

Ave

My ISP asked me to pay for the router they gave me /shrug

at least it supports 6in4 and vdsl

SpartanDonut

Stability is probably the bigger concern. Centurylink now has 10mbps internet in my area... fml

Burgi

i have a zyxel modem/router combo thingy that i have managed to lock out

SpartanDonut

2:09 PM

Going to get two lines at this point to handle my needs

Ave

@Burgi accurate.

my server's going to be shipped tomorrow morning

SpartanDonut

Is there notable latency difference in broadcom vs trendchip other than "faster"

Bob

not really, no

SpartanDonut

Cool

Burgi

from what i can tell the USA has really poor competition when it comes to ISPs

you guys pay loads for quite low speeds

SpartanDonut

2:12 PM

Very correct lol. I'm an even more special case living in a rural area but for the most part your options are limited. My options are just limited to a single very slow ISP compared to cities who have one or two less slow providers

Fabby

@Burgi That's because it's so big... Easier to deploy Gbps fibre in Liechtenstein then in the USA

@SpartanDonut And soon you'll have an additional one: Tesla satellite connection.

SpartanDonut

Yeah I'm really hoping that solves all my problems

Keeping my eye on that

Will be the first to sign up :D

Fabby

@SpartanDonut Sign up now! Send Elon an email...

>:-) >:-) >:-)

SpartanDonut

I'm going to guess and say that won't get me far lol

Now to find a modem I can actually buy...

It's crazy how unavailable they are

Fabby

@Burgi I had the same thing happening to me with a supplier a few weeks back.

I responded "I'm a nice guy so no harm done, but I expect you to review your internal processes and ensure this nover happens again in the future"

next time this happens, I'm going to find out who his boss is.

I always take it up with the guy first before talking to the boss.

He might have had a bad day, lost an hour because he wasn't expecting what he saw and was actually angry at the moment itself and pressed "send" before going out for a smoke, coming back and reviewing the same email again.

Burgi

2:22 PM

@Fabby but no-one lives in Liechtenstein

Fabby

:D True, but the ones who do all have great Internet! :D

Burgi

lol

Fabby

It's like the country with the highest crime rate in the world is actually:

Vatican City!

Burgi

@Fabby i'm not convinced at satellite internet. you are introducing a 2 second delay before you even get your data

Fabby

Because all the Roman pickpockets go to steal purses there, and there's only 100 priests living there.

@Burgi High-latency high bandwidth.

SpartanDonut

2:25 PM

Another possibly dumb question

Fabby

@Burgi For some applications: good enough.

Burgi

@Fabby not consumer-grade though

Fabby

@SpartanDonut There are nu dumb questions, only dumb answers.

SpartanDonut

I currently have a modem from the stone age. Subsequently I have it set to bridge to my router, ASUS RT-AC68U, and then I've configured my router with CenturyLink's settings (so I think my router is acting like the modem).

Fabby

Although there are lots of unclear; off-topic, ... questions!

SpartanDonut

2:26 PM

To do this I plug the phone cable into the modem and an ethernet cable into the WAN port on my router

Is there a converter for phone to ethernet without going through a modem?

Then I can just buy the router :|

Fabby

@SpartanDonut Phone = Analog, Ethernet = Digital.

SpartanDonut

Yeah I get that

Fabby

Modem = Modulator / Demodulator = A/D converter

Burgi

iirc the RJ11 is designned to plug into an RJ45 port

Fabby

So, no, not possible

Burgi

2:28 PM

but as pointed out the signal is different

Fabby

@Burgi I could say something about large holes and small plugs, but for once, I'm going to keep my big mouth shut before I'm banned from this room on my first day >:-) >:-) >:-)

SpartanDonut

So a modem basically is that device... Got it.

Burgi

@Fabby meh i think it'd be fine

Fabby

>:-) >:-) >:-)

Smoke! BRB...

rebooting

SpartanDonut

For better or worse picking up a D-Link DSL-520B from Walmart might be my best bet here

Broadcom chipset and returnable if it doesn't work

Fabby

2:50 PM

Urgh! Broadcom!

SpartanDonut

Will an ADSL2+ modem work on a VDSL line, just at lower speeds?

Bob

@SpartanDonut No.

Wait. Maybe?

O_O

Well, more technically. VDSL is not backwards compatible with ADSL, but some ISPs will support both ADSL and VDSL on the same line.

SpartanDonut

CenturyLink is telling me my new lines will be VDSL but my current modem (which they have provided years ago) is only ASDL2+

trying to make sure I buy the right modem here... VDSL modems seems a lot more scarce and more expensive than ADSL2+ modems

and since our speed is capped at a tortoise paced 10Mbps I'm trying to decide if a VDSL modem is actually necessary

Might just break down and pay the $100 (x2 for two lines) and get the modems from CenturyLink. This is proving difficult :|

Bob

@SpartanDonut Hard to know whether they mean "they support VDSL but also the older, slower, standards" or "they only support VDSL"

SpartanDonut

3:07 PM

Yeah

The modems they're recommending are $150-$200+

Sad day

Probably getting this expensive thing - amazon.com/ZyXEL-c3000z-C3000Z-Modem-CenturyLink/dp/B07954WDPL/…

djsmiley2k

3:21 PM

@Ave you know what a modem does, right?

@Fabby lol no.

@SpartanDonut that's a router, with a WAN PSTN port.

@SpartanDonut amazon.com/Zyxel-Q1000Z-VDSL2-Wireless-Router/dp/B00AF002EY

$23?

No idea if it's any good tho ;D

draytek are solid tho

> No special, one-time access codes are required for in-car delivery as the car is remotely unlocked at the time of delivery and then immediately locked afterwards. Amazon does this through the user's connected-car service that's paired with the Amazon Key app. Currently, compatible 2015 or newer Chevrolet, Buick, GMC, and Cadillac vehicles with active OnStar accounts, plus 2015 or newer Volvo vehicles with active Volvo On Call accounts can receive in-car deliveries.

That doesn't sound REMOTELY INSECURE.

djsmiley2k

3:41 PM

I want.... to sleep

jokerdino

keep going

djsmiley2k

free flags!

@jokerdino D:

jokerdino

I believe in you doing the right thing.

djsmiley2k

@jokerdino Which is?

My brain has literally turned off.

bertieb

@djsmiley2k brain.exe is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file

jokerdino

3:52 PM

@djsmiley2k have you tried turning it off and on again?

djsmiley2k

:D

8 minutes.

bertieb

...not that you're counting :P

djsmiley2k

well i started nearly 45 minutes early so pfft

I can count

omg home time \o/

jokerdino

home time is the best time

Fabby

@bertieb Linux rules:

brain
The program 'brain' is currently not installed. To run 'brain' please ask your administrator to install the package 'libopengm-bin'

(P.S. Rain and drink = Scotland?)

@jokerdino Holiday time is the best time...

RogUE

4:11 PM

There seems to be a line under the up/down sign, what does it mean?

It's there when I have my wifi adapter connected to pc.

SpartanDonut

4:40 PM

@djsmiley2k it's got a DSL / Phone port too. That's the one they most recommend and it's available on Amazon Prime. For better or worse it's the one I'm going with and mid price range of all they recommend

I wish I had cable near me lol. So many more choices

I hesitate to branch out of amazon prime or a local place due to the differences I've seen in other sellers / online retailers around customer service and returns

djsmiley2k

?~

SpartanDonut

I forgot to use the reply button

Except I think I misread what you were saying

I give up lol

Let's pretend I never said anything

djsmiley2k

5:28 PM

@_

that was my son lol

my yo cat got 5stars??