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12:54 AM
Anyone have that question which is a duplicate of numerous question which explains the reason the EFI partition has a drive letter due to a bug in 1803?
my brain is fried
Was talking about this issue:
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Q: How to clean an E: drive (new Recovery drive since Windows 10 1803) on HP laptop

BustedSantaI started getting warnings about running out of space on my E: drive. I've read many articles, threads and posts online about how to clean the drive but none of them resolved my issue. My machine specs: OS: Win 10 Pro Version: 1803 OS build: 17134.1 I disabled hiding of protected/system fil...

 
@Ramhound, that's the one, although I actually have a pair of the duplicates in my bookmarks because they provide a more thorough answer. Sometimes, short-and-sweet isn't the ideal way to author a solution.
 
1:12 AM
PCIe 1.0 is very, very odd here. Benchmarks are inconsistent with this result: I'm getting 1.2 GB/s sequential read speed and 800 MB/s sequential write speeds in CrystalDiskMark; these numbers are within specification for this SSD (it's not the fastest NVMe disk out there) and the read speed exceeds what PCIe 1.0 x4 allows.
Bug in CrystalDiskInfo?
 
@Ramhound full disclosure: I authored an answer to one of the duplicate questions after performing advanced Google searches within the Super User realm to ensure that it hadn't been asked already. It was only after my answer was posted, accepted, and marked as a duplicate that the person who wrote the answer in your referenced question went back to it seven weeks later and edited the title to include (new Recovery drive since Windows 10 1803), as well as the windows-10-v1803 tag.
 
1:31 AM
HMM.... with an external "room air circulation" fan pointed into my computer case (a Vornado model that can move a pretty serious CFM rating on full blast), I get much better core temps on my GPU, CPU and RoC when I run the fan at a moderate speed than when I run it high/maxed.
on 90-100% speed, the inside of the case feels physically hot, probably because the cooler air is just bouncing off or something? I don't know
at 55% speed, temps are sustained at 56 C while playing ESO
 
@HornOKPlease You'd need a thermal imager to know for sure :P
 
@bwDraco I think the fan pushes/compresses all the hot air into the case and traps it there at high RPM, but at moderate RPM it supplies cool air and gives it enough room to ventilate out the warm air
 
Excessive air pressure in one direction could be preventing heat from dissipating in an omnidirectional manner.
You definitely want one. I've posted my share of thermal images here.
 
@Run5k - I was asking due to this question
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Q: How to remove drive letter from first primary active boot partition, or how to just delete it and still boot

Brian BI created an image backup and restored it to a VHD file. The original drive has three primary partitions. It also has two CDRom drives, shown as the first two volumes. This is how diskpart lists the volumes of the original disk: DISKPART> list vol Volume ### Ltr Label Fs Type ...

I originally thought they wanted to remove the drive letter on the 100 mb partition but it doesnt actually have one so confused.
 
in Superposition (an extremely demanding benchmark), I cap out at 81C now and had 89C before
 
1:45 AM
Is there a way you can install at least one more case fan? You clearly have insufficient case ventilation.
 
they're on their way
 
@Ramhound, understandably so.
 
I am left scratching my head on this one also:
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Q: The procedure entry point getTimeout could not be located in the dll

MrYouMathI want to use The Open Racing Car Simulator 1.3.7 (C/C++ project) with python (I have Python 3.6.7 installed, removed other python versions). I was able to install the application and the patch 2.0 (contains xml, rbg, makefile, sh, dll files) for the server. Now I am getting the following error...

I installed the game and the patch
the application the author cannot run, runs perfectly, within 1803.
I don't believe I have VC++ 2008 installed within the VM, actually upgrading it to 1809, so I have a 1809 test bed...
 
2:53 AM
@HornOKPlease I wouldn't say thermal cameras are essential but they're fun
 
Bob
3:05 AM
@bwDraco I think it means it supports both 1.0 and 3.0.
Evidently the latter is used.
 
 
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4:12 AM
a buck per month per terabyte
or pennies on the dollar if you only have a few GB
 
Bob
@HornOKPlease And completely infeasible if you don't have incredible internet
Also, knowing Glacier, probably crazy recovery costs and GB in/out costs
 
 
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5:59 AM
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Q: Responsive design now available on all sites; new theme customization coming soon

Jon EricsonIt's been a long process, but the changes we announced back in March are done. Most sites will see their new themes live for all users on November 30. Some sites with blocking issues may have to wait until December 7. This deadline is important because the new design will make it easier than befo...

 
@Bob gigabit is pretty incredible but not superlatively so. And I don't have terabytes of data to upload - more like 10-20 GB of photos and stuff :P
 
> Dynamic site license management based on concurrent usage. Licenses can be used on any PC that is permanently or temporarily connected to the licensee's network.
Floating licensing by any other name.
This is news to me. I never knew Valve had something like this.
 
6:58 AM
@Bob Backblaze B2 costs $0.01 per GB of downstream transit; the first 1 GB per day is free. Uploads bandwidth is free.
I've had to retrieve data from B2 to recover from FS corruption on one of my external hard drives at one point and it was $0.02 per GB to retrieve at the time.
May 22 '17 at 14:17, by bwDraco
I'm going to consider the secondary backup drive unreadable and reformat it. I'm not going to bother. The most valuable data there is stored elsewhere as well. Whatever photos are not in the primary backup are in Backblaze B2 (just under 100 GB); it'll cost me less than $2 to retrieve it all. As for the rest of the data, it's mainly obsolete, low-value, or stored elsewhere.
I now have more than 500 GB of data stored in B2. Even if it's $5/TB, it's immediate-access and not subject to long delays or high retrieval costs.
 
Bob
@bwDraco ...that's irrelevant to Glacier. And costs much more for storage.
 
Continue reading.
 
Bob
Also, B2 is incredibly slow.
 
@Bob When did you last use it? The last time I downloaded something from B2, it was able to saturate my 200+ Mbps connection.
 
Bob
Poor routing? The fact they only have one DC? Planetary alignment?
*shrug* simple fact is they are cheap for a reason
 
7:08 AM
@Bob I thought they opened a second datacenter?
Regardless, it meets my requirements and I'm happy with the service.
 
7:46 AM
I'm still looking into my boot delay and in the systemd journal found that apparently systemd is trying to run the cryptography setup for some usb device, although none is connected and none is listed in fstab
"Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-00a69115\x2d956d\x2d41b3\x2d830c\x2d9a3878087d41.device.
Dependency failed for Cryptography Setup for cr_usb-General_USB_Flash_Disk_0349315060001623-0:0-part2."
Okay I found the device entry in systemd, now I only need to see how to disable that
 
8:05 AM
Line 67 lists the device that is invainly waited for on boot, listed here as inactive / dead. I couldn't identify the actual device by the id as there's nothing here, could this just be a remaining entry of a already removed device? I interpret the two lines I posted earlier as this being some usb disk that was connected at some point
 
8:35 AM
@JourneymanGeek so they ARE doing customisation
to what level I wonder (not read it yet)
It's funny, because if it said that in the first place, people may not of kicked back so hard ;D
 
8:58 AM
morning
 
We'll see what level of customisation they allow
 
9:23 AM
yeah
But I kinda suspected that was the case
 
9:41 AM
@Bob IDK, no matter what Amazon promised, if I was running a company with tons of data worth archiving, I wouldn't trust them with my data. As a secondary archive, maybe. But I'd still have an on-site tape archive. But that's just me.
 
and where would you store those tapes?
what would you do if the backup is larger than a single tape?
 
@Burgi ...like organizations do nowadays, the system which aws is aiming to replace with theirs?
@Burgi there do exist solutions for that, yknow.
 
i was asking if you knew the solutions
 
@Burgi mhm, I was looking up the IBM tape banks (? - don't remember what they call it) a few months ago
Expensive, but tbh worth spending on if the data is important enough to be archived long term in the first place
 
depending on the size of the building you might do co-location
i don't know if this is a thing in india but in the uk there was something called work experience that we do with school
have you done something like that?
 
9:55 AM
@rahuldottech tapes are very legacy I suspect
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek not really, LTO is still a thing
and it's still the go-to for long-term bulk storage
 
nods
 
10:18 AM
tapes aren't legacy
well
As a brand new company starting up, you may not invest in tapes I guess
But they are the 'gold' industry standard, for storing data, long term, offline.
You can't store HDD's offline, long term
and paper records would suck for most businesses.
@HornOKPlease yeah I've got ~100Gb of backups to store... somewhere
Right now, they get pushed to Gdrive, ~£4/mo
So I'm not hugely bothered by the cost.
 
i backup my personal stuff to onedrive
you get 1TB for free with O365
 
I should add a disclaimer, everything is backed up locally first.
hmmm
tempted to also sync it to gDrive here at work
 
@Burgi yep, we have that
@JourneymanGeek not at all. Orgs use them all the time.
 
did you go into a business and see how their IT works?
 
@Burgi unfortunately, no
Oh wait
No no no
 
10:25 AM
when do you finish school?
 
Workex for us is completely different from what it is for you. We just get taught some theory.
@Burgi March.
 
maybe you could get an unpaid (or paid) internship with an IT dept
 
@Burgi I'd love that. Let's see.
 
start applying now
i know a lot of companies would love a free gopher
 
@Burgi I'll try, in a couple weeks.
 
10:27 AM
are you going to go to university?
 
@Burgi if I get the marks to get in, yeah
 
it'll look great on your CV if you have a summer job
 
I've talked/ranted about it here before, but TL;DR: To get into a decent CS course here, I have to get >95% combined in any four out of my five subjects
 
come to the UK
 
I'm not applying internationally now (I will after a year), and local universities don't look at your CV.
I have a pretty great one though, and I did an internship a couple years ago
 
 
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1:13 PM
hum de dum
anyone esle bored at work?
I'm unsure what to work on next.
 
@djsmiley2k 10 cents a month to the new Glacier
@Bob ready for some iOS fail? there's an app I have installed for work, and it's a portal into a website I use to record hours worked
the web app being loaded in a Safari browser widget causes an app crash when I zoom in
and it's a simple spreadsheet type app, reasonably modern, no flash, no activex, no IE6-only features, works fine in desktop FF/Chrome/Safari
 
@HornOKPlease per how much?
 
@djsmiley2k for your 100 GB
 
Nice
I could just have that too...
upload costs?
 
@djsmiley2k we don't know yet, but probably somewhere in the vicinity of 1 to 10 cents per GB
 
1:27 PM
well, i'm uploading 40Gb/mo too :/
so ends up around the same cost overall?
 
Glacier Deep Archive is going to be a great service for storing family photos and videos, but if you ever need to delete/update files it's not ideal
 
yeah
 
it's really for slowly or consistently growing write-once-read-never type scenarios
 
Maybe I'll just shove a copy of all our photos on there, then do a monthly 'append'
 
if your data is growing at 40 GB/month the cost will add up pretty quickly, that's a lot of data
 
1:29 PM
not growing that fast, but changing.
 
1:54 PM
@HornOKPlease seems pointless to me if you can't view the pictures anytime you want
IMO, something like Google Drive is better for this use case
Or ownCloud, if you're the type who is trying to stay away from Google services as far as possible
 
2:06 PM
@rahuldottech unless you have a bunch of large backups you hope not to need
 
So the facepalm emoj.i...
 
2:21 PM
this is neat, but not 120 usd neat ._.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek OH FINALLY
cc @HornOKPlease ^
 
@Bob I guess its 120 usd neat to some people? ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek we're talking the people who spend $300+ on BT headphones and get annoyed at the lack of high-quality audio at the same time as mic usage
namely, allquixotic and occasionally me :P
 
@Bob I gueeeesssss
 
2:51 PM
@Bob :D!
@Bob is there a Plantronics headset that does aptX LL for A2DP and has Class 1 range competitive with the Beats Solo3 Wireless? If so, I might be able to get rid of my Blue Yeti and switch to Plantronics for better sound quality on my desktop
though that would probably entail using a different pair of cans for desktop vs. phone use, because AAC is the best quality codec supported on iPhone, so the Beats stay around for when I'm on the go.
(or at work in-person, since I don't bring my good aptX LL adapter to work)
 
Bob
@HornOKPlease Hm. I don't know what the modmic range is
 
my BT adapter is an Avantree Oasis, and it delivers sound over toslink, which is more reliable for me, because my USB stack (on my one and only USB 3.0 controller) is buggy as fuck and flakes out, causing the motherboard's USB BT chipset to disconnect sporadically
 
Bob
@HornOKPlease The backbeat pro 2 I have is aptX LL and class1
But its noise cancellation is not as good as my new sony set and the earpads are harder
I don't know how much that matters to you
 
I would rather them be slightly less comfortable and with worse NC if the range is better, TBH
limited mic range is okay, I very rarely talk if I'm up from my desk, but it would be nice to lie in bed and be able to talk on Discord while listening to music
 
Bob
I'd say they do a decent job on constant low-freq noise but not so well with e.g. talking
it's mostly the passive isolation for people talking
 
2:57 PM
I actually need a pair of cans that are bad at NC for home use, because I get yelled at by parents to come downstairs immediately for whatever
 
Bob
lol
you can turn off anc if you want :P
 
as long as they can passively cancel the sound of the fans for my upgraded cooling solution for the 2080 Ti
 
Bob
the open mic mode is nowhere near as good as the sony one, a fair bit of noise
the sony open mic is amazing... I walk with open mic now and music sounds perfectly fine (w/ outside noise, cause safer to walk with situational awareness)
 
when I'm expecting a "yell" (package delivery etc), I usually have to keep one earcup about 50% off my ear so I can hear
 
Bob
@HornOKPlease I can't really judge that but the ANC at least should deal with most fan noise ... I think?
depends how high pitched it gets o_O
 
2:59 PM
@Bob yeah, definitely - even the passive-only NC of my Beats completely blocks out the fans
with music or game sounds anyway. in silence, probably not
 
Bob
but then I spent probably $100 extra trying to make my current system near-silent so idk :P
@HornOKPlease then yea if your goal is range you'll get that no problem, I think
might wanna see if a local store has them to try the fit
 
noise doesn't bother me - I slept soundly with this thing at like 79 percent output right on the floor beneath my head, blowing into my computer case the other night :P vornado.com/shop/circulators-fans/…
 
Bob
that said. I don't think Windows actually does aptX LL
so IDK.
 
(since turned it down to 55%)
 
Bob
I did test latency a few months back, it's probably somewhere in this chat
 
3:01 PM
@Bob it doesn't, but see above; I no longer use a CPU-side BT codec. I'm using a full-stack Avantree Oasis to toslink.
 
Bob
oh yea... I missed that
 
I have another one if needed for the modmic
 
Bob
the modmic is probably not LL but latency for mic isn't too important
 
@Bob open back!
 
also, in terms of transmitters, with my Beats, the Avantree Oasis is WAY better than the built-in Intel 8-series BT 4.2 chipset on my motherboard.
I used to get dropouts in the next room. Now I can roam the entire upper floor with zero dropouts, ever
it has a movable antenna on the Oasis that is roughly the size of an antenna used on a WiFi router :P
 
Bob
3:04 PM
oh yea
the plantronics one is more susceptible to interference than the sony one
 
interference?
 
Bob
there's this starbucks on the street corner here that seems to throw out a crapton of 2.4GHz interference
 
Bob
so I get stuttering on the plantronics if I'm right next to it
but it's otherwise fine through the city, train and home
 
The only 2.4 GHz traffic generated in my room would be -
1. My microwave :P -- both when communicating to the WiFi router for Alexa commands (2.4 GHz only) and when heating food
2. A2DP for my current pair of headphones (and the modmic BT, I guess)
3. Logitech Unifying for my MX Master 2S?
our security cams, laptop/smartphone WiFi are all on 5 GHz, and a lot of our neighbors have moved to 5 GHz for WiFi
 
Bob
3:07 PM
Oh yea. How's Alexa? I've been thinking of getting one :P
 
well, as someone who's lightly (barely) tested "OK Google" (Google Assistant); heavily tested "Hey Siri" (iOS); and now starting to use Alexa with an Echo Show -- my opinion is that Alexa is the fastest to respond, and has the most useful info. Also Alexa is super good for home automation
Siri is probably fine for home automation for devices that support Apple HomeKit but Siri is still slow as fuck - I think the speech to text must be cloud based and not particularly fast at that
but Siri is nearly useless at "knowledge" questions except "what's the weather like"
and it isn't the device, either -- the fastest iOS device, the new iPad Pro, is still really slow at Siri.
3-5 seconds for a response, whereas Alexa comes back in about 1 second
 
Bob
hm
I've been looking more at Google cause my watch can make more use of it
still ignoring Bixby
thought about getting Alexa for home cause it's fairly cheap but then realised there's not much I'd do with it :P
@HornOKPlease they're all cloud based iirc
 
it would be really cool if Apple let Amazon bring Alexa to the Apple Watch. Then as long as I'm wearing my watch I can do home automation stuffs
there's already Alexa on iPhone but you have to open the app to use voice commands
 
i hate them all
 
it's mostly a configurator for Alexa devices/skills
I need to figure out why my USB 3.0 host controller flakes out so often, because otherwise that modmic BT receiver is likely to crap out on me a few times an hour
it isn't perceptible with keyboard/mouse, oddly
must be like a 0.1 second bus reset
 
Bob
3:16 PM
@Burgi They're mildly creepy and there's just about no way I'd use them with my phone, but I can see the usefulness with a watch. Because typing on a watch sucks.
(though swiping on a watch is a lifesaver)
 
i've used OK google the most
mainly while driving
 
pulled the trigger on that Antlion mic
12 hours is just enough for a day of gaming :D
 
they annoy me so much
 
Bob
Oh yea, driving would be another time they'd be useful
 
yeah I love using Siri to navigate, call and text while in the car
pretty much a requirement if you don't have a self-driving car and aren't suicidal/homicidal
(texting while driving is the latter)
 
Bob
3:18 PM
lol. I'm not allowed to use my phone at all yet
 
not allowed?
 
Bob
@HornOKPlease L, P1 and P2 in NSW can't use phones, even while mounted for navigation
 
in australia they have to put phones in quarantine for 6 months
 
Bob
full licence can, just not allowed to touch it
 
O.o how old do you have to be to get a full license?
 
Bob
3:19 PM
I'm still on P2 cause I got a really late start on licensing
@HornOKPlease uhh.. *counts fingers*
 
I got mine at 18 (?) after having a learner's permit for under two years
 
its 17 in the UK
16 for motorcycles under 50cc
 
Bob
@HornOKPlease minimum is 20
 
In my state you're allowed to "make a selection" on your phone, like picking a song, and technically they shouldn't pull you over for that, but texting or keeping your attention on the screen is a no-no. But using Apple CarPlay with the dash stereo/touchscreen is apparently fine
 
Bob
16 for L, 1 year to 17 to P1, 1 year to 18 for P2, 2 years to 20 for full
but I don't drive much so I only got L at 18 and then spent 3+ years getting the hours required for P1, then sat there for a while before bothering with the test for P2, ...
the yeras ^ are min times, btw... you can hang on to the licences for much longer than the min
@Bob clarification, can't use them for navigation either
 
 
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4:43 PM
wtf
we've got one random machine that's ignoring the proxy settings, for citrix reciever
it's 'meant' to pick up the machines proxy settings, but in this case it's not
 
cached?
 
 
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6:07 PM
@Bob We need similarly graduated licensing here in NY.
(one can get a license as early as 16, but with certain restrictions until you're 18; additional restrictions apply in NYC)
 
6:52 PM
Graded licencing doesn't make sense to me
I treat driving as everyone else on the road is a blind cow that's some how managed to get behind the steering wheel of a 1.5ton go kart
 
Ah, the motorcyclist's creed
 
I hate when you're trying to turn across a lane of traffic and someone speeds up hard to try to keep you from being able to turn in front of them
 
People do that?
 
7:11 PM
jackdaniels
coke
letsgo
hshpoac E?!
SPACE
there we go.
@bertieb not a motorcyclist, just know how dumb people are ;D
 
Heh ;-P
 
Who's eatin ma ram?!¬
 
7:26 PM
Firefox?
A wolf?
 
boinc + docker :O
> 23297 plex 27 7 3568344 1.2g 4760 S 24.3 71.3 247:01.11 Plex Transcoder
 
7:53 PM
yeesh, 18.6 billion transistors in the 2080 Ti... impressive
 
@HornOKPlease And that's why it's expensive. The die size is insane.
 
8:11 PM
@bwDraco it's not too far off from being two 1080s on a single die, isn't it? and with architectural and memory bandwidth improvements to help it scale.... I think it's a much better approach to have a centralized work scheduler that's aware of the entire GPU's low level state and can efficiently parcel out work for high utilization
 
@HornOKPlease Doubling the die size more than doubles the manufacturing cost.
 
the old way that Nvidia and AMD used to make beastly cards, is they'd just build two separate flagship dies and mount them on the same card, each with their own DDR
then they'd be "glued" together loosely, but you wouldn't get anywhere near double the performance of a one-die card
it performed more like SLI
 
AMD is just not able to compete. NVIDIA managed to get TSMC to give them a customized process, that's how much money NVIDIA has. AMD is cash-strapped and can't do the same.
Perhaps their chiplet approach might work...
I actually think chiplets would be an ideal fit for GPU technology.
But it doesn't look like AMD will be producing a chiplet-based graphics card anytime soon.
 
 
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9:43 PM
SLI is overrated. The potential for mGPU is greater, I am just sad, it was not introduced sooner
 
It has to be explicitly supported by the developer.
 
10:31 PM
is there a way to leave a message for someone on on irc channel for when they get back? i swear there is, but I can't find any documentation on it...
 
@Hiccup You can private message them
 
11:23 PM
Nope.
Irc only works if the other user is only
 
11:39 PM
you can use a bot (if one exists) to leave a message for them?
 
Assuming there's one
 

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