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Bob
12:19 AM
@bertieb It's approved by TF2
 
12:33 AM
...I'm not a fan of how large the MX Master 2S is.
Let's download Logitech Options on Astaroth...
...and set up.
 
 
1 hour later…
2:05 AM
ugh. apparently speedtest-cli stopped working correctly
I get a rediculous amount of latency, and a patently wrong set of results
 
2:42 AM
and my IP address seems to change every time I reboot my router? slightly less fun
 
3:16 AM
Remember the MX Revolution?
The MX Master family inherits these technologies.
Old AnandTech review from 12 years ago: anandtech.com/show/2090
Some lesser Logitech mice (including the MX Anywhere 2) have the MicroGear Precision Scroll Wheel but not the SmartShift feature (the ratchet is manually controlled).
It may not be obvious, but Logitech Options still lets you configure SmartShift to work differently for different applications.
> Logitech’s SmartShift technology detects the current active application window and automatically applies the scrolling mode that best fits the task at hand. For example, when a Microsoft Word® document is the user’s focus, the wheel defaults to free-spin mode, but sets itself to click-to-click mode when the user is navigating photos in the My Photos folder.
Though you'd need to manually configure it; it doesn't have a list of apps with predefined settings like the old MX Revolution software did.
 
 
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7:02 AM
@HornOKPlease, I did not see this one coming: amazon.com/gp/aw/review/B071YZJ1G1/R39779OIQTQIXE
I know it's late, but what's your experience with the MX Master 2S?
The name "allquixotic" just jumped out at me.
 
Isn't that review enough??
 
It's a year old.
 
hm, that went well.
I just realised my IP address keeps changing (yay?) so I set up dynamic DNS (turns out namecheap does it) . Also have some flavour of network monitoring through VNstat. and swapped out my wan benchmark for one that isn't giving me bogus result ;)
 
 
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10:52 AM
@Bob Hah!
Well played :P
 
11:25 AM
@rahuldottech So it's like... 12:30am and we're still watching The Good Place.
 
11:41 AM
this is fun
anyone around here got ipv6 and can help me ping 2 IPs?
 
12:03 PM
@JourneymanGeek Sure
 
lemme know once you have em
 
GCM strikes again
 
GCM?
hmm
 
Ghetto Chat Markdown
 
Oh well
 
12:06 PM
I could try from a v6-enabled VPS so it's at least n=2
 
Same result, response from first one but not second
 
anyway nbd
I worked out what (part) of the problem was
 
router fun?
 
firewall rules on the router
 
12:08 PM
Ah, well that's something
 
Well, if you know what part of the problem is you're at least a third of the way towards fixing it ;-P
 
Progress!
 
not being able to connect in is a .... good thing? ;p
 
12:11 PM
Depends :P
If you want to connect in
I've used it on some rare occasions
 
it might just be ping
IDK
I'll test it at work
 
Fair dos
 
thanks for the help
 
Any time!
So with dnsmasq will local devices be able to query other devices' v4/6 names, out of interest?
 
thanks for the help
and lol, I rubberducked the ex-SF folks on that
 
12:12 PM
Something I've been meaning to sort out here and have only semi-working
 
4 names yes
6... no idea
 
Heh, fair enough
 
6... no idea
never tested it
 
I might pick your brain if and when you get that working :P
 
and IPv6 is a "I'm annoyed I can't get it working" thing
I might de-activate it
 
12:14 PM
Fair enough
 
I need to throw my notes together something more readable
if all goes well, I might do it again in a few years ;)
 
1:11 PM
So... has anyone here used Logitech Flow?
It does work; however, the transition from Astaroth to Stolas (but not the other way around) is kinda slow.
Could just be how quickly the devices can connect via Bluetooth...
 
1:23 PM
@bertieb mostly certain now it was the windows firewall
 
Ah, an oft-overlooked culprit
Can re-test ?
Still nada :-\
 
strange
ipv6 capable host?
 
Yup
Ditto from v6-enabled VPS
 
hm
there's another possibility
its my dryer causing packet loss, but that shouldn't be complete
 
Oo
mtr reports it fails at the fifth hop
The first one you gave earlier on succeeds at the fifth hop, for comparison
 
1:30 PM
or I need to open icmp at the router?
 
Not sure, could try? I'm unclear on whether that refers to ICMP on the router itself or things behind it
 
icmp is needed for traceroute, yes
/me nods
 
@bertieb I'm guessing the router isn't really forwarding all the packets by default
 
Would make sense I guess
 
ipv6.forwardingis on?
 
1:34 PM
ugh. I need to move the homeplug stuff
yes
but I had to explicitly allow established connections for ipv6 to work
 
/me is unaware of the whole problem
 
I need to think about this lol
 
What, at all?
 
# Disables packet forwarding
net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0
you should have this, for ipv6 too
set to 1.
Also in sysctl.conf
and you need to echo it somewhere to load it 'live, or reboot.
somewhere in /proc/ land
 
1:38 PM
and the ipv6 firewall rules are sessentially the same outside masqurading as the ipv4 rules I used
 
That's pasted from a machine currently built without ipv6 support tho
@JourneymanGeek but nothing seems to get past the router?
 
> For IPv6, we will do the same with this line:

| net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1
The configuration can then be reloaded so that the changes take effect immediately:

| sysctl -p /etc/sysctl.conf
 
but I can connect to ipv6.google.com
 
yup sounds like router isn't forwarding IPv6....
try above, your firewall rules will still be in effect
so hopefully you can see them getting hit.
Right now i suspect they don't, but it depends how they're implemented.
 
1:42 PM
ok done
@bertieb try again?
 
Same IP?
If so, no reply
 
I'll figure it out later
oh well
It might be that its a windows box
At this point its something that is narrow enough to be a SU question ;)
I actually think at this point its the firewall
 
Hehe :-P
 
hmmmmm
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Q: Firewalld blocks IPv6, ignores config

kgizdovI'm trying to setup an IPv6 web-server on CentOS 7.2 with NGINX. I have tested my IPv6 connectivity outgoing and incoming - everything works. My IP, AAAA records, etc as fine as well. Essentially everything is OK until I enable FirewallD. I have it set up to default to the drop zone with eth0 in...

I'll throw together a linux box later, and put a webpage on it, it'll be easier to test
(yes, I'm running firewalld. I'm rather fond of it)
 
1:58 PM
Despite the slow transfer from one system to another, Logitech Flow does work and not only did the mouse go from one machine to another, I was able to transfer files as designed, passing through the local network.
I'll keep it off most of the time but will turn it on as needed.
Well done, Logitech.
 
2:15 PM
@JourneymanGeek will need logs for any further debugging
 
@djsmiley2k I think I roughly know what's happening at this point
the ipv6 forwarding sysctl rule dosen't seem to make a difference from what I can tell
 
So far, it looks like firewalld is a really bad implementation of a frontend for iptables XD
 
@djsmiley2k its mostly nice.
and I prefer it to UFW
 
I just use raw iptables, it really isn't hard,.
:D
 
(of course I'm running ubuntu, and dumping a lot of the stuff unique to it)
 
2:18 PM
I'm trying to get firewalld to work on one of my servers and it's a pain in the butt.
 
@djsmiley2k other than needing to save and reload rules every boot? ;p
that's my firewalld notes
 
@JourneymanGeek my init scripts do that too
and i only save when i change them and they work
otherwise you risk saving rules which lock you out.
 
● firewalld.service - firewalld - dynamic firewall daemon
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/firewalld.service; disabled; vendor preset: disabled)
   Active: inactive (dead) since Sat 2018-11-10 09:20:39 EST; 1min 1s ago
     Docs: man:firewalld(1)
  Process: 16755 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/firewalld --nofork --nopid $FIREWALLD_ARGS (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
 Main PID: 16755 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)

Nov 10 09:20:38 clouddesktop1 systemd[1]: Starting firewalld - dynamic firewall daemon...
 
ahh, here you can do them as runtime
then switch them to permanant if you know they work
 
Fun.
 
2:23 PM
@JourneymanGeek exactly
 
Nothing relevant in dmesg.
 
@djsmiley2k I actually do it in a lot of speculative commands
 
Until this is fixed, iptables is blocking everything and I need to use the OoB shell.
 
I'm confused
if firewalld is ip agnostic
why does every command specify it's ipv4? :@D
 
@djsmiley2k hmmmm
 
2:26 PM
@bwDraco no conntrack support in kernel, is your problem
Why? because idiots don't know how to build kernels properly.
 
cause ipv4 and 6 have different ports/firewalls?
 
Odd... my main server has no such problem.
 
or whoever packaged that script didn't have the 'standard' kernel
modprobe nf_conntrack mmmmmmmaybe
 
Firewalld is running as it should on the main server.
 
│ Symbol: NF_CONNTRACK [=n] │
wow I got the module name right
 
2:27 PM
Going to reboot both servers after updating as a diagnostic step.
 
Rebooting linux servers is generally pointless
 
Then again, the failing server is running openSUSE Tumbleweed and not Leap.
 
unless you've specifically done a kernel upgrade. This isn't windows.
 
hmmmm
@bwDraco smells similar
"Tumbleweed"....
 
The Tumbleweed machine frequently gets big updates. It's my experimental "cloud desktop" server and it doesn't run public services.
 
2:29 PM
that may be part of the problem
 
The server that runs my main website isn't rebooted anywhere near as often.
 
meh
| firewall-cmd --direct --add-rule ipv4 nat POSTROUTING 0 -o enp1s0 -j MASQUERADE
errr
> 14:29:56 up 169 days, 21:52, 3 users, load average: 2.01, 2.03, 2.00
My home server. It prob gets rebooted less than most production servers.
 
@djsmiley2k oh
two reasons for that
1) I set it up ipv4 only inside my network
 
@JourneymanGeek oooooooooooooooooo
 
2) I couldn't set up ipv6 at the time (and there's no masqurading for ipv6)
 
2:31 PM
you doing IPv6 to IPv4 on teh router?
 
nooo
Its native ipv6
with ipv6 pd
 
What's pd?
 
The main server gets a reboot every few weeks or so.
 
@bwDraco why?
 
@djsmiley2k prefix delegation
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A: How do I deploy IPv6 within a LAN using a Debian based router and prefix delegation?

Michael BergYou didn't say who your ISP was, but the following works on Comcast in areas where they have rolled out IPv6. I had to use wide-dhcpv6-client since none of the other DHCPv6 clients could handle all of getting an address for the ISP-facing interface, prefix delegation, and Comcast's maximum /60 n...

 
2:32 PM
It's just easier and faster to manage for me.
 
That's really similar to what I did
Basically my ISP hands me a set of IPs
which dnsmasq hands out inside my network
 
right, fair enough
 
you were asking about that the other day lol
 
yah i just forgot the acronom
ffs
wifes wasiting time
i need her to take the guineas away so i can cllean em out
only been waiting all day.
 
Manual modprobe throws the same error at me.
Main server is working just fine.
 
2:39 PM
benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/faster/… holy shit I didn't know Node was that bad
probably doesn't matter for little programs but geez
 
The firewall issues can be set aside for the time being. I need to work on projects, like how @HornOKPlease gets things down.
A full-time job is not an excuse.
 
lol
I'm running out of things to do on this ;p
 
The firewall is ultimately fail-secure.
(because SuSEfirewall2 is still running, with all ports closed, though this is deprecated)
 
3:34 PM
oh man cok cola advert tonight
 
4:00 PM
16:06:50 up 605 days, 15:36, 1 user, load average: 0.06, 0.04, 0.05
:o longer than I thought
(TWSS)
Little home laptop 'server' dealie
The server-y server has less uptime
 
i get lots of power issues due to small people @:D
 
2.0-like unplugging detected
 
@HornOKPlease lua-the-language or lua-the-ESO-api?
 
Bob
4:44 PM
whynotboth.jpg
 
!!/thisisfine
 
@ToxicFrog both
it doesn't even have function hoisting ffs
 
!!/learn whynotboth <>https://i.stack.imgur.com/rMKWm.jpg
 
@bwDraco Command whynotboth learned
 
5:31 PM
@HornOKPlease this is because "function declarations" are just variable assignments.
 
5:43 PM
@JourneymanGeek @bob @anyone else that enjoys pens...
 
Hmm.
> I have a pen that is very chest of drawers and I use it all the time. It's also gluten free on Thursdays.
YouTube comments are weird :)
 
@HornOKPlease Wat. This is a feature we take for granted in languages like C++ because it lets us organize code units in a preferred order.
 
 
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7:11 PM
@MichaelFrank lol, it's totally worth losing sleep over
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7:57 PM
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8:22 PM
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8:40 PM
(omg)
@JourneymanGeek superuser.com/questions/1329155/templeos-sound-with-virtualbox --> the dude who made this died shortly after this question was asked/answered
So, here's the odd thing. What Evan's doing is entirely within the rules. Wasting your own time is literally fine, even if its an OS written by someone who... quite literally seems to be a little crazy . And here's the thing. Assuming good intent, and not arguing with Evan about whether this is a waste of his time, free or otherwise... is probably the most productive thing to do. I'm sure that if we engage constructively (or not at all), any issues we have will sort themselves out. — Journeyman Geek ♦ Jun 7 at 3:08
lol
 
9:20 PM
@rahuldottech how do you? what?!
 
Terrence Andrew Davis (December 15, 1969 – August 11, 2018) was an American computer programmer known for creating the operating system TempleOS, developing it alone over the course of a decade. In 1996, Davis began experiencing regular manic episodes, leading him to numerous stays at mental hospitals. Initially diagnosed with bipolar disorder, he was later declared schizophrenic and remained unemployed for the rest of his life. == Early life == Davis was born in West Allis, Wisconsin, later moving to Washington, Michigan, California, and Arizona. He was the seventh of eight children, and...
 
Oh
Of the O/S, not of the question >_<
/makes note in his will to request someone bounties off all his rep
 
One has to wonder is he has been reincarnated as EC ...
 
 
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11:04 PM
Facebook has stupid filters now.
 
??????
chainsaws?
 

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