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Bob
1:21 AM
I think I tumbleweeded chat...
 
1:34 AM
@Bob if you do , where just waiting for you to say something rather smart again :-)
wait for it, , , ,
 
> The agency responded by telling me that it didn’t have to say, arguing that this information wasn’t a specific “government record.” But “in an effort to assist me,” they told me anyway.
That's probably govspeak for "You're wasting my time, but my supervisor was suitably amused and in a good mood all day"
 
Bob
2:01 AM
@JourneymanGeek "paleofuture"
 
@Bob gawker gizmodo is weird
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek that's more of a "I consider their articles about as reliable as a dlink router"
 
@Bob there's not much to be inaccurate about other than some guy wasting another guy's time asking about tape ;p
 
2:33 AM
That was fun
Dropped an old thinkpad off a table. Wouldn't start....
ended up taking off the palmrest, reseating the ram, and we're all good
 
 
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Bob
3:42 AM
@JourneymanGeek 4/4 shipped from amazon, 1/4 arrived at cgw... decent start :P
why they split the order into 4 shipments is beyond me
gonna have to pay for the repack, bleh
 
0_0
bleh
 
Bob
the other order is still MIA
two more days before I can get them to resend...
@JourneymanGeek oh, they've acknowledged the lack of batteries in the order :P
hopefully it's actually followed when they all arrive
> We would like to confirm that the listed items stated on your previous email does not contains batteries.
why do I run into all the weird problems when shipping stuff
I'm getting paranoid now -_-
 
Dang, yous guys sure need a reliable and reasonable computer distributer there. There is a big fat job for somebody.
If i treated my e-bay customers like that, they would drive me insane with questions and complaints. (i would have to fix fast , or get virtually tarred and feathered)
some of them will freak out if there is a Day delay. Today they demanded that the hard drive pictured is the only one i should send. Good thing that was the plan from the start.
(all the drives are the same anyways ? :-) dont know what they thought i was gonna send them .
 
Bob
4:22 AM
@RaisingAgent Here at PPCG we solve our problems in code. Physical labour is frowned upon. — steenbergh 14 hours ago
 
4:56 AM
itapmontobot!!!!!
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek wat
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek oh, app
 
 
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Bob
6:11 AM
tumblefloof
 
today seems oddly quiet >_>
 
Bob
ya
I wonder how @Dog's doing
and the other brits should be waking up around now too
I'm a robot
 
Bob
6:27 AM
@JourneymanGeek yea I'm wondering more about the whole medical issues thing
 
Yeaaah.
Tbh seemed a bit overdramatic
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek o.O
 
Bob
 
Bob
7:19 AM
sigh
@JourneymanGeek looks like I got into another argument with a cargo-culter. bleh.
 
7:31 AM
Oo
 
8:06 AM
zeroing out formatting 4 drives at once, on the onboard intel raid (common) , the computer has been choked up the whole time. Wunder what they gonna do when it takes 2 full days to format 20T hard disks.
So when it comes to speedy computer, they might have to adress that? The buss speak (my word for it) when there is little cpu use, and loads of communication.
but wait, GPUs cause bad slowdowns, when doing mass buss speak?
So it is likely that , it is the fact that the system tends to wait for replys from disks? I wonder if any of the new OS aspects changed that?
A stalled, or failing disk or controller can really "lock-up" the computer , for example.
The thing that makes buss speak slowdowns different (again) is there can be little to none CPU use , so you can not track it down. I often wonder if that is sometimes the slowdowns or balking people can have a Question about, because it cant be discovered easily
I dont know of any software that analises that. mayby a latency checker, but it isnt designed for that specific purpose.
There are other examples when people get that kind of Balking. When people were raiding SSDs they would complain about it. 550MB/s disk controller communications going on.
I Would like to know if , given mass use of, The M2 SSDs pulling close to 2gig somethings per second, if they also do that? or the even the NEMA (or whatever it is called) communication method for M2?
NVM Express (NVMe)
NVMe allows for parellel I/O so , IS it less likely to make a user feel slowed down, because one disk action doesnt stop the other?
OR
With even more parrelel things waiting for a reply, it can choke the rest of the computer worse, even if it gets done faster..
 
8:43 AM
morning
@Bob i believe that there is a tumblr for that
omg... our MD is complaining that the "corporate font" is no longer being used in emails...
if customers don't have our stupid font they won't see it!
 
If i Allowed everyone to put a font on my machine , it wouldnt be pretty
 
I dont let any web pages add fonts to my pile, although they are free to use the ones there :-)
 
Bob
> Update, December 2012

Recent research again from Campaign Monitor. As of this update, support includes: iOS Mail, Mail.app on OS X, Lotus Notes 8, default Mail on Android, Outlook 2000, and Thunderbird.
Sooo... just use web fonts :P
WOFF perhaps
assuming you have a licence to distribute the font
 
she was refering to richtext emails sent from outlook
 
Bob
8:55 AM
bleh
 
i'll keep using the default until i get a written warning
this is off-topic right? superuser.com/questions/1171271/…
 
That guy I work with keeps calling me Little Buddy, and hitting me on the head with his hat :-) Whats with that :-)
 
@Psycogeek its because you are a cute and fluffy red panda
 
But I am the professor :-)
 
9:15 AM
give him a C- on his next test
 
9:33 AM
I hope that @Dog is doing better...
 
9:50 AM
morning yall
 
@Burgi vaguely
 
lil' buddy
 
10:08 AM
@Bob 6 am is about 3 hours to early for me :)
@Bob He has admitted in the past to having mental health issues.
 
@DavidPostill s/to/too
Sorry, it's a bad habit xD
 
@Rahul2001 A bad habit and incorrect
 
@DavidPostill huh?
 
@Rahul2001 to is correct. too is incorrect.
 
Bob
@DavidPostill I'm aware. taking about yesterday's more physical one though
 
10:16 AM
@DavidPostill You sure about that?
 
Bob
@DavidPostill whoops :P
 
@Rahul2001 Yes.
@Rahul2001 too is used when the context is also or excessively. to is a preposition (comes before a noun) or to indicate that the verb to follow is an infinitive
 
Bob
think "he admitted to [doing/being] X", for a simplified example
 
@Bob Yep.
"He admitted to eating too much cake" shows you how to use them both in the same sentence.
You would not say "He admitted too eating to much cake" :)
 
I still think "three hours too early" is correct :/
 
10:27 AM
@Rahul2001 Ah. That one was wrong :)
 
Wha...?
 
I though you were correcting the line above the correction not the one before that :)
"three hours too early" is correct
"he has admitted too" is incorrect
Now we are all confused :/
 
I WAS CORRECT!!!! :P
 
Yes, I just said you were. We were confused about which post you were correcting :)
 
I AM ALWAYS CORRECT. immortal laugh xD
 
10:31 AM
I am two confused to comment too. :-)
 
@Rahul2001 Now you can stop shouting ;p
 
All three two's (also known as six)
 
@Hennes lol. There is a link about that two.
 
Argh! The riddles!
 
this whole thing is giving me Snake Eyes
 
10:33 AM
lol. brushing dust off my keyboard and a plus was sent ... can't see how that is possible with a tiny brush
 
that's what she said.
 
The brush is too small to press <shift> and <=> at the same time ...
 
@DavidPostill Maybe <shift> got pressed by your hand or while bending down?
 
@Rahul2001 Nope. It's a long pointy brush and my other hand was on my trackerball.
Like this:
I use it to brush dust from under the edge of the keys.
 
@DavidPostill I've never used a trackerball...
 
10:45 AM
I just tried deliberately to press shift+= and the brush can't do it ...
@Rahul2001 They are amazing. No more RSI :)
 
@DavidPostill yeah, I took that into account in my actions
 
+ << came from numpad
Sounds like a horror movie title 'It came from the numpad!'
 
11:06 AM
@djsmiley2k Ah, of course. Mystery solved :)
 
I was right?!
 
11:41 AM
@IAmABot is online... Not sure what that means
 
!!peeeeeenguin
looks like the cylon has finally died
@allquixotic FYI
 
12:45 PM
@Rahul2001 means @Dog is being naughty
oh wait, unbanned
so means @Dog isn't dead.
 
@JourneymanGeek That applies to all of us
 
@djsmiley2k yup
WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!
 
@JourneymanGeek AHHHHHHHHH
 
1:04 PM
Gah. I just spent 20 minutes looking for these.
 
for what? your glasses? keys?
 
Upload was not that speedy.
I forgot to look for 'in plain sight'
 
what are they? screws?
 
HDD holders.
Let me take a second picture from the front
 
i like how your fan is sat on a harddrive
 
1:06 PM
That is some foam to aim air at the networkcard behind it.
 
ugh! you crazy europeans and your bad plug design
 
Why does a network card need active cooling?
 
Assuming you mean the fan at the bottom and the 10Gbit NIC
The whole tower is is a temp state atm.
I am slowly improving it.
 
i was meaning that
 
1:07 PM
Getting all disk properly mounted is step 1
Which includes the SSD, for which I needed the brackets
 
what do you use the tippex for?
do your volumes go up to 11?
2
 
Old tower from my dual CPU AMD2200+ era. (Single core per CPU era).
The tower still works and has a ncie clickless HDD system
Nah, that was a 4 drive RAID5 movie container
 
and the tippex from the first photo?
 
Most drives I have had in a system were.11 or 14.
Not sure.
I had to create extra device nodes when installing slackware
No idea. That is still around from when we used pens to write with
It probably is a solid white block by now
 
In my day we used to WRITE things!
with PENS!!!!
 
1:11 PM
I only have a dozen fountain pens left.
 
they have pens in holland too @djsmiley2k
 
those crazy pancake smoking dutch
 
Only they are made of wood
Or was that clogs.
I forget.
Pens are roughly as useful as clogs to a dog
 
Clogs are surprisingly usefull in wet weather and with a garden.
I considered them ugly and useless when I was young. Since I have learned.
 
1:19 PM
o.O
 
Who is afraid of a little water?
 
did you have to have B-A-T-H after that?
 
Yeah
didn't even have the dog wash back then
 
@Burgi I got that
 
@OliverSalzburg thanks :)
 
1:21 PM
so it was a quick rinse with whatever was in the water bottle, bundled up in a towel, and getting a bath when we went home
(Ash loves a bath. Just have to make sure the water's just the right temperatuee...)
 
i try so hard on funny statements and no-one ever notices
our dog was pure white, she only needed to look at mud to get dirty
she hated puddles but loved mud
 
lol
poodle?
Most water dogs tend to love mud
most of the mud on ash tends to be second hand. He's a bit fussy.
 
@JourneymanGeek westie
 
ah
Westies are sneaky little scamps <3
 
2:19 PM
posted on January 25, 2017

 
wtf?
 
>_<
 
Bob
uh.
not sure if that falls under 'dating site' or not :P
 
looking at who posted it...
reasonable chance its serverfault
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Q: Will IPv6 make obsolete shared IPs?

KiriaKasisMost ISP in may area almost exclusively shared IPv4 address; I gather that this is forced by the IPv4 exaustion. Is this the only reason? that is will IPv6 eliminate the need for shared IPs?

er... "Yes?"
 
2:36 PM
doesn't look like a dupe which surprises me
 
Sharing is caring
 
And its on topic
Question is though, what would be a great answer there?
 
It's kind of a predict the future question though
 
i'm hovering over the "too broad" flag
 
Bob
@Burgi Dupe of this not-so-great Q
 
2:44 PM
;p
The joys of being able to abuse the hivemind ;)
 
Hi to all!
 
Bob
hullo
 
Because we all need it, here's what happens when a cat touches a plasma ball. https://t.co/CueWknOLCD
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Do you know some good editor for Ubuntu with column mode editing that you can recommend me?
 
I am sure EMACS can do that.
Mostlly because it can do everything. However I have no idea how to use it.
 
2:51 PM
what is column mode editing?
 
Bob
vim!
 
^^^ That thing.
 
ahh
sublime does something similar
 
Bob
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A: How to do column editing in vim?

sa125To edit a column, follow these steps: Stand on the beginning of the column Press Ctrl+Shift+v, then mark across the column you want to edit. Press Shift+i to insert text at the beginning of the column, Shift+a to append text, r to replace highlighted text, d to delete, c to change... etc. Hit...

but, seriously, just about any 'advanced' text editor does it
 
@JourneymanGeek Is Sublime free and for Linux (Ubuntu)?
 
2:53 PM
@PaulVargas sublime works on Linux
 
Bob
works in kate if you use KDE (Kubuntu?)
 
its not free as in beer. Its on unlimited trialware. Which is kinda how we got a dog...
 
Bob
available in gedit
 
And another review question rejected.
Someday I will need a macro key to spew "It loaded so slow that this simply must be a review question." simply because I type that oh so often.

(ANd before anyone asks, despite the answer I do look at the actual edit)
 
Okay, wow... Mediation failed terribly
I didn't know it was possible to be so ashamed of your own father, but apparently it is
 
Bob
2:55 PM
available in vscode
really, the 'best' one depends on both your environment and what you want to edit
if it's code, vscode is my first choice
if it's just generic text/config files, then your DE's built-in one is probably easiest
 
(mental note. Python tommorrow ><)
 
Bob
if you end up using the CLI a lot (e.g. SSH), use vim (or emacs if you're one of those people)
@PaulVargas ^
 
@Bob Are you vim or emacs? ;)
 
Bob
@PaulVargas yes
 
Lmao
 
2:58 PM
@Bob :P
 
Bob
@PaulVargas how dare you suggest I would ever use that
but nah I haven't needed a cli editor for much recently
so mostly vscode (on windows) these days
 
Bob
dunno how their linux build is, but it's cross platform anyway :P
@JourneymanGeek get yourself am ide! :P
 
@Bob lol
meh
eventually ;p
(had to help mom today. Also, temporarily broke my coding laptop)
 
@Bob if it's Qt/c++, then Qt Creator :P
 
3:02 PM
@Bob I'm going to try vscode. It seems that have been greatly improved.
 
Bob
@allquixotic heh. I think I actually imported into vs2015 for that one
 
@PaulVargas sublime
 
Bob
more familiar with the code navigation there :P
anyway. kate was my first advanced text editor on linux
 
@Rahul2001 wait until you see your dad do drunk dancing at a wedding
 
Bob
kate is to kdevelop as vscode is to vs proper
 
3:04 PM
@Burgi He's indian...
Sober dancing can be just as embarassing.
2
 
heh
 
is Dog ok?
 
@JourneymanGeek What is your favourite text editor?
 
@PaulVargas sublime
 
@Burgi eh, he's actually threatened to get me (and mum and sis) killed, and although they're probably empty threats, if I disappear without a word one day, please feel free to cuss him...
 
3:07 PM
notepad++
 
@allquixotic I unsuspended him. Someone saw his sock, but he's not turned up yet.
 
@PaulVargas notepad++ FTW!
 
@Rahul2001 are they divorced?
 
@Rahul2001 Is there a notepad++ version for Ubuntu?
 
@Burgi nope, but separated. He doesn't let us enter either of our homes, and there are quite a few cases pending (domestic violence and stuff)
 
3:10 PM
i am sorry to hear that
 
@Rahul2001 Are you student or what do you do?
 
3:55 PM
I'm really sorry about that, I got carried away...
 
4:26 PM
carried away?
speaking of weird moments a girl in the office just came down and shouted at me because she didn't believe i own a space graveyard
 
@Burgi So did you show her your graveyard?
Or did you resolve the conflict with gratuitous violence?
 
@Burgi I got a suspension because of the last message...
 
4:41 PM
yawn
 
@Rahul2001 i didn't notice
@OliverSalzburg no i just gave her my trademarked creepy smirk
 
 
@XKCD 404?
 
4:58 PM
Still a 404; the newest comic only appears if you go to the homepage
 
its a good comic
 
no 404 for me by clicking the link from chat
 
Ah, it's up now
 
hmm odd behavior
 
@BenN Someone edited the link ...
 
5:08 PM
I did :)
I submitted an identical revision on the feed message so it would onebox
But that link was briefly 404ing
 
Hmm.
@BenN Mod ninja?
 
> Brazilian netizens think the internet boils down to Facebook

Research reveals that 55% of Brazilians do not perceive life online outside the platform created by Mark Zuckerberg

The Mozilla Foundation published this month a draft of an annual report on the "Internet Health" (Internet Health, the term used by the entity).
> The study brings an alarming fact: 55% of Brazilians considered that Facebook is the Internet. Ie more than half of respondents said not realize online life off the platform. The Country loses only to India, Indonesia and Nigeria in this view, which had higher response rates. In the United States, only 5% of respondents equaled the web to Facebook.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cartacapital.com.br%2Fblogs%2Fintervozes%2Finternautas-brasileiros-acham-que-a-internet-se-resume-ao-facebook&edit-text=
 
Why are people puzzled about Elon Musk and digging tunnels?
It makes sense if you're concidering how to live on mars..
Sigh
Posting 'I know this is opinion based' at the end of your question doesn't make it any less flaggable.
 
I have a network certification discussion for anyone who wants to chime in, I posted it as a question, they told me I should move it over here.....
 
@Sabre I'd argue that the fact it works, is equivilent to certification...
 
5:15 PM
Should I drop the whole thing in here, or a link to the question?
 
There's no 'done well' version of network cable, there's either works, or doesn't work correctly
You can analyise the signal and stuff, but it's pretty pointless unless you're running some futuristic omg blazing fast setup involving fibre etc...
in which case, you'l lbe spending far more than you are right now
 
how do you quantify "works" though, one may get 1G out of a cable that is out of spec, but one should not expect it from one that is. Is that assumption wrong?
 
How do you get 1G out of a cable that's outta spec?
I'd like to see that actually happen
And NO CLIPPY.
Look at the signal testing tools
If you care that much, you're gonna want to buy one anyway, so just agree in the installation contract that the signal will be within specific limits
 
let me rephrase that, you have two computers end to end, and you are measuring how fast they can move data back and forth, the variables there could be the disk, raid controller buffers, the processor, NIC, the cable....
 
The CNCI® Program consists of 408 pages of rich technical content of learning and reference material. << sounds great
yes
so just test the cables, properly
 
5:19 PM
without certs, how do you say "Definitely not the cable?"
 
You don't just put a PC on the end and go 'hmmm it's slow'
you use a cable tester
If you want to know more than just continuality, then you use a good cable tester
 
price break between the ones that say "Test the cable" and "certify the cable" are in the multiples of 1000's
 
Yes.
there's a good tester.
Notice it doesn't talk about bits and bytes
you're looking at the actual resistance, and other properties of the cable itself
Level 1 - physical
 
So, was experimenting a bit with Prime95 to determine which FFT size would generate the most heat. 20 KB FFTs seem to be the most demanding on Haswell.
 
I will check it out, in the case we have currently, this one triplett.com/byte-brothers/real-world-certifier-faqs said the sable was fine, but it barely works at all on multiple computers. If it was a termination issue the scanner should suffer the same results no?
That is way outside or budget, we are a non profit, that is why i was looking for an installer than had need for this expenditure, vs us buying one.
 
5:24 PM
Well there's many reasons why you could get bad signal
pose a question on that, with the needed level of detail and people might be able to answer it for you
 
how many would result in scanner saying good to go, computer and switches saying, no?
ok, will do, thank you.
 
5:38 PM
@Sabre only if it's a bad tester
or something obscure is happening
 
length of run is <150', re terminated twice, took two laptops that perform at or about 900+mbps (iperf) on multiple known good runs, so we figured that was a good "Real world" test.
took the switch and all other elements out of the equation cable end to end with crossover adapter, on those two known bad runs, they would at times move 5 or 6 mbps best. If I plug them in at the switch they may or may not link up at 1000, but renegotiate often back down to 10mbps often, and if I set them at any static value even 10, they drop faily often too.
The byte brothers scanner said "all tests passed" same it reported on the known good runs
that is why I was being so adamant about testing, if it truly passes TIA specs, I need a priest not a tech.
I can get one test wrong, maybe two, but I cannot see my failure rate being proportional to the room I am standing in while doing it.
 
6:06 PM
@Sabre For what speeds?
 
@djsmiley2k @djsmiley2k, you are really incorrect about the cable working or not. There are many cable installations which seem to work, but give poor performance, requiring many resend requests. One or both ends to get a lot of malformed frames. I saw one installation where a cable had been damaged in installation, and it seemed to work (slowly) for everything but MS Word. A replacement cable work well for everything.
 
If it passes all known tests for 10Mbps, great, but it's not going to do 100.
@RonMaupin I think you misunderstand me
My point was, a bad cable shows up bad performance.
Or vise versa
You're not going to have a bad cable, and get good performance out of it
Certification may mean you can test less, but even with certified installers things can go wrong
If you're worried about a cable run - test it.
 
Every certified cable installer is supposed to test every cable in the installation to see that it meets all the performance specifications, fix any problems, and present the customer with a complete report for every cable installed. This requires expensive test equipment.
 
Yup
@Sabre wants a certified installer, without the cost
basically.
I said - well test the cables yourself, and refuse any that are bad.
 
But the cost of the test equipment can be couple of orders of magnitude larger than what a cable installer charges. The latest Fluke tester is over $10,000. You need that sort of equipment to flush out subtle problems that can creep in.
 
6:17 PM
yup
Watch out @Psycogeek!
 
6:28 PM
posted on January 25, 2017

Sure it destroys everything, but hey - it works!

4
 
6:44 PM
@XKCD Are you a bot?
 
@PaulVargas No. It's a message feed that this room is subscribed to. You can see all the feeds by clicking "info" ==>
 
@DavidPostill Wow!
 
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