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> ERR_SSL_UNRECOGNIZED_NAME_ALERT
Speaking of, who starred my online banking password
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@kerbalspacebecky I'd still like to see some evidence that this is a legitimate recorded company, not just some random guy in the basement.
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That last one is more concrete than the rest put together.
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> June 12, 2015
Our first investment led by Arena Ventures.
September 10, 2015
Service is featured on Product Hunt.
September 11, 2015
Service is covered on TechCrunch and by the LA Business Journal.
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Still interesting that the US gov listing doesn't include them, though.
Not sure how reputable TechCrunch and LA Business Journal are but at least I've heard of the former
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I wonder which country "SERVICE TECHNOLOGIES, INC." is incorporated in.
> Service is based in Los Angeles, CA, USA.
Hm.
They don't come up on the SEC search.
Well I dunno what business registration requirements are in the U.S....
Good night all ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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00:07
Maybe I should put in a request on Service to help me find details on Service's company registration.
You snooze... you looze!
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@DavidPostill 'night
Spend £1000 to save £30. Wise investment right there.
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@kerbalspacebecky That they have a well-known investor is fairly significant. It's still surprisingly hard to find much concrete info, though.
Like you, I'm not sure how it works in the US :P
@kerbalspacebecky Hey, 3% saving.
00:43
@Bob
These headphones of Samsung's I was insulting... They're actually shockingly un-bad
I've not heard a set of headphones based on a 90's design sound this un-bad since... Well... The 90's.
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lol
My hybrids are slowly falling apart
Cutting the sheath was a bad idea.
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@kerbalspacebecky Do you often use headphones with a 90s design?
should really be in the room description
@Bob not since the 90's, no.
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00:50
room topic changed to Root Access: For all you Super Users out there. [cats] [computers] [dogs] [foxes] [headphones]
They're not great, I'd say they're slightly better than the cans that came with the S4 but not as good as the ones that came with the S5
lol
I was about to do that
Hey why is Taylor Swift not in the topic :-(
BUT what is impressive, is these headphones do have very good bass and sensitivity especially for a set that does not rely on any form of seal against the ear.
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room topic changed to Root Access: For all you Super Users out there. [cats] [computers] [dogs] [foxes] [headphones] [noitsbecky]
These are potentially a decent set for cycling with. Reasonable sound and loudness coupled with no seal and minimal isolation to retain some semblance of outside awareness....
Also minimal cable microphonics.
I may have been overly harsh when berating them out of the box. I still wouldn't buy them myself though.
For the average Joe who may be freaked out by canal phones that plug all the way in to the ear, they work.
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00:55
Now you just have to see how long they last :P
> Sean: <My company's name>, <The parent company we split off from>, and SUSE are looking for candidates like you.
from LinkedIn. WTF? SUSE?
@JourneymanGeek, got a copy of SQL server for Linux today
@Bob most of my Samsung sets haven't lasted very long tbh
Now if only I were an average Joe.
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@allquixotic lol. your company is looking for more people like you? That can either be a very good thing or a very bad thing.
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01:03
Either "we need more of him because he's so good" or "we don't like him so we want someone else who can do the same job"
Mar 1 at 14:51, by That Brazilian Guy
/me changes room topic to "Technology, Tea & Taylor Swift"
But if they didn't like him, they would want someone unlike him as a replacement, no?
Not sure if the Taylor Swift part makes sense any more but this can still be looked at. "For all you Super Users out there" is getting old.
!!/taytaytaycat
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room topic changed to Root Access: For all you Super Users out there. Current topics: Technology, Tea & Taylor Swift [cats] [computers] [dogs] [foxes] [headphones] [noitsbecky]
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I'm not sure if we're taking the whole tswift thing a bit too far :P
01:07
OK final verdict on these bundled headphones: 6.5/10. Severely lacking in treble, but the bass does pass the "make me feel like my head is being whacked by a bass drum" test. But I feel just as weird wearing earphones that don't go in the ear ad normal people might with ones that do.
@Bob o_O
That looks great :)
I just wanted recognition in the topic so I would never get smacked for an "off topic" taytaytay ever again.
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Eh... we don't really have a topic
Mostly tech-related but meh.
Still had foreign mods come in and delete 60 messages for being off-topic... At least now I can point at the topic in defense of any sporadic taytaytays
01:10
[test] is this how you tag things?
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[tag:foo] [meta-tag:bar]
Aww, it doesn't do the red thing.
@kerbalspacebecky I had a word with said mod
01:12
Overly sensitive touchscreen on this phone...
Moving books so we can install the new aircon, seems more of a job for a Bernese mountain dog than a wauzer....
(More seriously, I grab a bag of books, lug it across to the other end of the apartment. Stack....)
and its pretty tiring.
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...how many books do you have? o.O
and of course, its just me. Parents arn't really able to
hmm....
lots?
about 6 ikea shelves....
this is what I've moved so far over 2 days
About... 2 shelves worth?
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01:19
O_O
That... might be more books than I have
Total.
I'm not quite done yet
on the bright side, I think I can fit most of the books there for now
that said
I found a torn 1979 hammond almanac and actually had to spend a moment to convince mom there was no reason to keep it
 
1 hour later…
02:48
ugh
my brother's magazines would probably stack up to something like 8 feet tall
if I could stack that high
I've been telling him to clear out the ones that he dosen't need but nooooooo
03:39
@Bob yep, what should I test/spin up ?
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@HackToHell Could you try the VS 2015 Pro Update 1 on Windows 10 1511?
A2 instance
Everything else default, I think
superuser.com/questions/1056245/… Is this guy trying to hack websites? or secure them? A little background information on what they are doing might go a long way?
Oh i am sure they are just doing research, like running down a row of cars checking the locks, so they can post stats about whos cars were unlocked on the web :-)
04:04
I don't even feel like pulling out my laptop tonight.
I'm on my Nexus 9 right now. I once hated the fact that we're moving away from traditional PCs, but after more than five years of carrying a heavy laptop to college (and in fact, a high-end gaming machine for the last two years), I'm starting to really like the way things are going.
Nov 25 '15 at 5:42, by bwDraco
With a tablet, a Bluetooth keyboard (perhaps integrated into a case), and (optionally) a Bluetooth mouse, you can be productive pretty much anywhere. Add a mobile broadband service (or even tether from your smartphone) and you may never need a laptop again.
For me, there will probably never be a genuine replacement for a "real" PC, but more and more of my day-to-day computing is done on mobile devices.
I mean, why carry your laptop when you can just use RDP from your Android tablet?
5 years of carrying a laptop and you still got it in one piece, is by itself a minor miracle :-) I have dropped my phone 4 times total now, once almost landing in a creek.
Two different systems. My old HP laptop was in service for 3.5 years before it was retired. This newer Clevo laptop (built by Sager Notebook) has been in use for two years with no major hardware issues thus far.
Lost my phone 2 weeks ago when romping both dogs through tall grass, one of them got caught up in the retractable leashes. Luckily (without the assistance of the web) I talked to it and had it send me a GPS signal of where it was at, then still not finding it, i had it cry out in pain.
I didnt feel too bad, after taking an hour to recover it, when a buddy (who is married) told me the story of his wife loosing her phone. And (get this) she goes back to the Phone store (AT&T) which will do Nothing to assist you in finding it. And buys not only a new phone, but get a "deal" on it, by buying another 2 Year contract :-(
So now he has 3 phone bills comming in and 2 phones, what a deal.
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04:47
@HackToHell Any luck?
Jan 10 at 8:30, by bwDraco
Write more than a few gigabytes to the drive at a time, and you get slower than HDD speeds. Not okay.
> Most of the time TLC SSDs perform quite well. But copy a large amount of data to a TLC drive, and part way through the operation you’ll see something discomforting—a startling drop in write speed. With some drives it’s relatively mild, but in the case of many recent TLC drives, the drop is so drastic you’ll wonder if the SSD is dying. It’s not, but you may wish it was.
@bwDraco Does it handle a high number of IOPS on small amounts of data well, on a sustained basis?
E.g. very high numbers of IOPS doing very small writes
Not too familiar with sustained random I/O but on small datasets, you should get good sustained performance.
If your workload exceeds the size of the SLC buffer by more than a few hundred megabytes or so, expect performance to fall off a cliff at some point.
just imagining a database workload, where a transaction commit requires flushing out to the storage media to guarantee data integrity, so you often see lots of small writes
(it would be dangerous for it to cache committed transactions in RAM)
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05:06
O_O
It's not a serious problem for day-to-day consumer use cases, but a consumer can see a sharp drop in performance with sustained sequential writes.
actually, some databases like TimesTen are built around the concept of asynchronous transactions, where a "commit" does not necessarily trigger any disk writes, and it only periodically commits to disk -- this could save a lot of IOPS if your storage is HDD
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Coming up soon: C# the functional language
(well, not really.)
It does look like C# will be getting a lot of the benefits of the Haskell type system
Is there a way to clear the 146 pages of "inbox" in my stack exchange profile ?
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05:09
oh god the Arithmetic Simplification section... actually brings back Haskell nightmares
ADTs are :) and :( at the same time
@Bob: Your thoughts on the trend towards SLC-buffered TLC NAND?
It's a shame IMFT et al. have been so slow on 3D NAND...
@Bob I wonder what Jimmy Hoffa would have to say about it. He was clueful about functional programming, if a bit fanatical.
In the quest to make SSDs cheaper (and you can't really bring cost per wafer much lower), companies are using TLC NAND to maximize storage density and minimize cost. However, this comes with some serious performance penalties.
SLC buffering helps make up for this, but on many drives, performance falls off a cliff if you write more than a few gigabytes to it at a time.
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@bwDraco "Meh."
Depends on needs.
@allquixotic Heh, he's active over at the programmers.se chatroom
I wonder if I should go ask him.
05:31
@bwDraco how much is that like setting up the graphics settings on a game? Meticulously finding out how "ultra" your settings can be and still get FrameRates, then (eventually) getting so involved in the game itself, that all that time setting up it wouldnt have mattered if it was on ultra , high or even medium :-) we playing now, benchmarks are done.
@Psycogeek It's something that can prove to be frustrating and confusing under certain circumstances. If you're importing lots of photos or video, installing a large game, or otherwise writing a lot of data to the drive, this is a limitation that will be felt by the end user.
with all this ram 32gig, and all these caches and stuff, and so many not only overlycomplex but very poorly optomised programs, many of my slowdown frustrations now are "the programs" themselves, the single core speed , how fast any single tread can run, when instead of "clock" speed we are stuck with multi-cores.
@bwDraco I have a first-gen TLC drive called "MyDigitalSSD" (about 64 GB of raw NAND, 60 GB usable) in my Haswell NUC, and even during OS install I was hitting that slowdown
@allquixotic might get worse
Cacheless TLC drives...
for now the controller is only compatible with MLC
05:46
@JourneymanGeek, glad to see you here. Your thoughts on TLC SSDs?
Got em, not had much issues with them
Its useful to think of them in context
Well, some are better than others.
They're also designed to be low end devices
same as my cacheless drives in fact
if you're going to buy a honda accord, you cannot expect it to perform like a Porsche
@JourneymanGeek JMicron?
silicon image
05:49
@JourneymanGeek Not a brand I'm familiar with.
they don't make drives, they make controller
For a moment, I thought you meant SMI.
(Silicon Motion is a different story, they do make decent controllers.)
@Bob A sec, at college
Let me do it now
Oh
that's who I mean
my bad
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@HackToHell No hurry
05:51
king-dian.com/sata/s180/s180-sata3-ssd-120gb got a pair of these in 8 year old systems
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Just remember to delete the resource group when it's done :P
9? donno, R61s
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Even if it fails - it stays running and costing money.
my 840 series is TLC (and I have a 730, but that's horribly cripped by the controller on the netbook its in)
Silicon Motion SM2246XT. At least it's a decent controller.
05:55
W0rks well enough
I won't suggest it for a performance oriented system, but it gets me a few years more of life
My dad's stopped threatening to defenestrate his system
A few of the Kingdian models do seem to be using JMicron controllers, though.
yup
these don't
It's initializing deployement
I created a DS2, A2 is too damn slow
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@HackToHell o.O
@HackToHell How long has it been?
I can create a VS2015 on Win8.1 on A2 in about 5-10 mins
I can create a plain Win10 on A2 in about 10 mins.
VS2015 on Win10 just fails after an hour.
Oh I am doing it on Windows Server 2012
It's still running
Didn't note the time
10 mins o0
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06:06
@HackToHell 2012 has a different error :\
I'll give DS2 a shot
Full name is
> Visual Studio Professional 2015 Update 1 with Universal Windows Tools and Azure SDK 2.8 on Windows 10 1511 Enterprise N (x64)
@Bob Hey classes have started i'll give that a go in about 2 hours
brb
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06:22
@HackToHell Thanks. Much appreciated.
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06:37
...lol
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Do not allow moderators or microsoft staff to mark their own responses as "useful" - they often are not

Do not allow moderators or microsoft staff to mark their own responses as "useful" - they often are not but since there is no "not useful" button, its easier to just leave it blank.

but if I leave it blank - the MSFT employee comes around and marks his own answer as "useful" even when it is not
>

the solution is simple; just block all the microsoft moderators and employees from this forum
LOL
I have written that up a couple of times on MS answers, I think even some of the other MVPs would agree there.
we could also replace many of the responces with Bots, See this title instert this script , mark as answered, continue to ignore the multitude of users popping back in saying that it doesnt work.
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06:52
That sums up the MS forums in one sentence.
" I can't actually remember the last time I found an ACTUAL answer to a query on any of Microsoft's forums." Sorry bud it isnt your memory that is failing, it never happened.
i would suggest . . . nothing is ever marked as answered or finished. it is a forum, a string of "this one worked for me" is better, especially when there are 3 different ones that work for 3 different (actual) problems.
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@Psycogeek It's a bastardised attempt at copying SO.
I don't know why they don't just licence the software off SE.
@Bob nih syndrome?
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> Do you know what the typical response time is? It's been sitting there for three days, incl. two business days, with zero activity.
> We have escalated this internally and asked that the relevant team respond to your forum discussions.
Welp.
And now we wait.
Dear Mr. HalfMentalCapability MVP, did you read the part where i had ALREADY TRIED what is in that script you posted?
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07:04
I suppose it's better than Valve support?
well they are watching that particular feedback from users very closely, , , that is why every 8th post is spam, oh were on it.
Dear SkinSoSoftly we are sorry your having a problem with rough skin, and dirty pores, please know that this problem is most often caused by your crappy equiptment in your computer, and is not caused by MS software. The AnswerBot
08:08
Yea, I do. Especially since the tutorial on 'WPA2 cracking with reaver' says that doing a 'live boot' is better than running Reaver from virtual box (my current set up). — user3233623 59 mins ago
Yea let me guess more "security" :-)
mostly done moving stuff yay
I'm guessing one or two more days and I'm done
days? sounds like you need "tools" wheelborrow, wheeled cart? BookBot?
( i couldnt remember the real best name for them)
ahh, shelving.com/Gravity-Conveyors-by-Unex-s/1865.htm "gravity Conveyor" they come in lightweight pieces that are little bigger and heavier than a house ladder.
you just aim it out the window, have the one end higher, and all your problems go right out :-)
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08:32
WTF
VS on Server 2012 suddenly works
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I don't... what... but I still have copies of the errors from the last time I tried a couple days ago!
And it still fails on Win10!
hax patch!
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THIS MAKES NO SENSE!
I still need to call MS tonight about the support contract though... so this shit isn't over yet.
@JourneymanGeek I'm still trying to patch Action Center persistence into the toaster :P
the NSA couldnt access it they way you had it setup, so they fixed it for you.
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08:37
lol
morning
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'lo
@JourneymanGeek The Envy X2 went for $125
It has a Z2760!
morning
09:13
So one of our suppliers set up a web service on a website for us and asked us to point one of our domains to his server. So far, so good. We asked him if we need to supply the SSL cert for HTTPS and he said, no, he'll take care of that
did you end up picking anything up? ;p
So far, he hasn't delivered, but I'm really interested in how he plans to pull that off
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And now some work again and some fail.
And if he does, he has to show me how
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?!?!
@OliverSalzburg lol. so he has no control over the domain or email addresses?
@JourneymanGeek only one has ended so far :P
The Pavilion x360 is currently going for something like $36... I might bit up to $50 for that.
09:16
brilliant
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4 GB RAM, Celeron... doesn't sound that bad.
$36? I want it
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lol
Actually, current bid is $30, + $20 postage, 2 days remaining
But it stands out as lower than the surrounding ones
Surface 2 is already $103, 2 days remaining
Another Envy X2 is $60 + $12 postage, 1 day remaining
yay! my code deployment has gone in successfully
@Psycogeek agreed. Though Citrix forums are the same. Usually the same one guy repeating useless scripted responses ad nauseum
09:26
@Burgi, why do you feel "skype phones aren't great at replacing landlines completely " ? Sorry for a delay in my reply :)
the only niggle is that the users that requested it are off until April
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Jan 10 '14 at 9:42, by Bob
MS ANSWERS WAS USEFUL. SOMEONE MAKE THIS A HOLIDAY.
@MyDaftQuestions in a power outage they can't be used
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Jul 23 '14 at 1:32, by Bob
...why do I torture myself with MS Answers?
Tbh Citrix forums actually pissed me off more than Ms answers.
09:28
and in some cases they can't dial the emergency services
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Apr 7 '14 at 15:52, by ChatBot John Cavil
@allquixotic @allquixotic the tech probably searched MS Answers for the result instead, and the answer told him to jump into a smelting furnace (source) (source)
Oh I see. That's good to konw, thank you @burgi
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Half the complaints there are me, the other half are @Psycogeek, and then there's some other people every once in a while :P
@Burgi In a power outage or emergency you're probably better off with a mobile tbh
Even an old mobile
:28453699...
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The cell towers are also far more likely to stay working than flimsy wires to your house
09:30
@Bob nah. Well sorta. In a city you have far more choice of cell towers, but the centralised UPS in a telephone exchange is more reliable than individual battery sets in each cell tower.
Thats roughly what i was going to say
Also there's regulations about having backup power (usually diesel generators) for phone exchanges
it might be different in australia though especially with the vast distances involved
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@Burgi The vast majority of us live in coastal areas. In cities and suburbs.
Granted, they're sprawlier than most other cities worldwide, but not really vast distances.
@Bob Well, the domain points to his server, but I'm usually verified via email and there's a single catchall on the domain, pointing my mailbox
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09:37
@OliverSalzburg I've seen email and also verification by domain record (txt record)
@Bob I only added SPF and DKIM TXT records on his request
Well, we'll see
@bob but you have lots of towns in the middle of deserts
and farms the size of Wales
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@Burgi With almost no-one living in them.
do they not have telephones?
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Nope.
09:45
fair enough
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(Actually, usually solar-powered exchanges. Or wind.)
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> gizmodo
Not clicking.
they tie messages to hoop snakes.
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09:47
I don't know what's going on anymore.
Deployments to Server 2012 work most of the time.
VS Community 2015 U1 on Win10 1511 worked (?!)
VS Pro 2015 U1 on Win10 1511 stubbornly won't work
Have I ever mentioned Kali linux and the people who use it is a pet peeve?
I'm sorry i can't find a non-paywalled, non-gizmodo yet still reputable link
i saw the article in a magazine
just can't remember which one
hmm must also be how they accidentally invented the electric fence 60V AC rings going down the same line.
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Anyone on Win10 1511?
Can you tell me what ver prints?

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