Root Access

Daniel

17:00

I need 3 or 4 serial ports

qasdfdsaq

Fine, you win. I can't out-cheap you.

Daniel

Like I said, I have strange requirements

I deal with hardware older than I am

Bob

Huh. $45 for an i7-940.

bwDraco

Old scanner or printer?

Daniel

No, Amateur Radios with serial ports

bwDraco

17:01

Wow.

Daniel

universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/1978.html

That's my newest radio with computer control

And I've had bad luck with USB-DB9 adaptors in the past

Bob

Huh. LGA 1366 is more expensive second-hand than LGA 1155.

qasdfdsaq

LGA1366 is still high-end

Well, it was only ever high-end.

And is still quite popular for the extreme overclockability of those chips for the day. After all I still used LGA1366 till late last year, and probably would still be using it if it weren't for Cities Skylines

and KSP

Daniel

Personally, if I can get an intel board + cpu + 8GB RAM for $80 I'd do it, as long as it had good performance and was upgradable

qasdfdsaq

... Or don't get new RAM?

Daniel

17:06

Will the Intel use ECC DDR2?

Bob

@Daniel Eh. I already found second-hand parts adding up to $80-$85. Could probably bring it lower by bidding on auction rather than buy it now.

Daniel

What parts you got?

qasdfdsaq

And I'm quoting UK prices, with our obligatory 20% markup

Bob

Too late. Closed the window when you said you didn't want it. I've already listed the parts above; you can search ebay & sort by price.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Ctrl+Shift+T

Bob

17:08

"i3-2100", "8GB DDR3" and "LGA1155"

There's your search terms.

@qasdfdsaq I had them in a private window.

Daniel

Oh an i3... Which gen?

Bob

Otherwise it'd keep picking up on my ebay account in AU

qasdfdsaq

2ndd gen, as indicated by the 2

Bob

The socket is compatible with 3rd too

Daniel

2nd gen was very bad.... They're to like 6th or 7th gen now

Bob

17:09

but you could upgrade from i3 to i7 in 2nd and get a massive boost alraedy anyway

qasdfdsaq

2xxx = second gen. 3xxx = 3rd gen. 4xxx = 4th gen. 5xxx = 5th gen. 6xxx = 6th gen.

Simple huh.

Bob

@Daniel ...very bad? Really?

I'm quite literally still running an i7-2600 on my desktop.

qasdfdsaq

Lol, 2nd gen was far better than 1st gen.

Daniel

Compared to the modern ones 2nd gen is very bad

qasdfdsaq

1st gen was still way better than a Phenom

Bob

17:09

The desktop I'm sitting at now.

The desktop I play games on.

Daniel

for the same specs, 2nd gen to 6th gen is a huge performance boost

qasdfdsaq

There's about a 30% improvement between 2nd gen, and the latest 6th gen.

Daniel

That's a lot ^

Bob

And I don't see a pressing need to upgrade.

qasdfdsaq

There's about a 60% improvement between a Phenom and a 2nd gen Core i

Bob

17:10

@Daniel Wait. Why are you complaining about 2nd gen Intel Core? You were looking at an AMD proc that was the best of its socket, that could barely compete with a 2nd gen i3.

Go up to an i7 and it's not even a contest.

qasdfdsaq

It could barely compete with a 1st gen i3.

Daniel

Because with the upgrade path I had worked out I could eventually get the newest gen AMD 8core 5.0GHz

upgrade CPU, then mobo, then CPu again when I havemoney

qasdfdsaq

Even a 2nd gen i7 beats that

Bob

...spending a whole lot more in the process

@qasdfdsaq And that actually sounds plausible, not having seen the benchmarks.

Honestly, I haven't kept up with the most recent AMD CPUs

qasdfdsaq

@Bob cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-2700K-vs-AMD-FX-9590

Daniel

17:12

cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-AMD-FX-9590

qasdfdsaq

And it uses one-third the power.

@Bob AMD don't have any recent CPUs

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Let's keep it to LGA1155, hm? cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2014&cmp[]=2

qasdfdsaq

Meh!

Daniel

But the price difference is shocking

a good Intel can run $500

qasdfdsaq

That's because a good intel is way faster than anything AMD.

@Bob cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-vs-AMD-FX-9590

I feel dirty for linking cpuboss, but what the heck.

Daniel

17:14

Is there an intel board out there that fits my needs?

qasdfdsaq

No. Buy your damn Phenom already.

Bob

@Daniel i7-3770k is currently something like $220 second-hand.

Daniel

ouch

That's a lot for me

Bob

It'll probably hit $150 or maybe lower by the time you save up enough to buy it anyway.

Daniel

like, A LOT still

qasdfdsaq

17:15

You're not going to be able to upgrade to an 8-core AMD CPU in your current mobo anyway

Bob

Not like you can afford an FX-9590 anyway.

qasdfdsaq

So you'll have to buy a new mainboard, and new RAM, and blah blah blah.

Bob

And you'd also need a new mobo.

And new RAM.

...what he said.

Daniel

OK so in your opinions, with my budget in mind, which would be better: replace CPU now, or replace CPU, mobo, and RAM now?

Bob

@Daniel You're balking at the price, when your own proposed upgrade path probably costs as much if not more.

qasdfdsaq

17:15

(Though I think it might support DDR2)

Bob

@qasdfdsaq 8 GB of DDR3 is $15 -_-

qasdfdsaq

Wait, nope. DDR3 only.

Daniel

Which costs less now?

Because in the future I'll have money to blow (or at least more than $5)

qasdfdsaq

Dude, how old are you?

Daniel

17 @qasdfdsaq

Bob

17:17

I've already told you, you can get the LGA1155 w/ i3 setup for about $80-$85.

I think I've said that three times by now actually.

Daniel

OK, that ^ sounds reasonable

Bob

And that can be dropped some $10-$20 if you bid low on auctions and wait a bit.

allquixotic

hi

Daniel

sup

Bob

'lo

qasdfdsaq

17:18

Get out meet some girls or some shit and stop worrying about a $10 CPU difference.

Bob

Then again, it's up to you to look up the prices yourself. I can't really search US ebay accurately.

Daniel

Hey, I'm not a player @qasdfdsaq

Bob

I already gave you the search terms.

qasdfdsaq

Nor am I but I still wish I did more of that when I was 17

SCARE TACTIC: If you don't, you might end up like me! o_0

Daniel

@Bob You have been the most helpful here, I appreciate your efforts and your advice has been absorbed

qasdfdsaq

17:19

Nobody wants to end up like me! Not even me!

Happy Thanksgiving RonRon

►

Bob

In fact, if you look at the completed listings, that CPU has literally gone for under $30 a bunch of times recently.

Daniel

I'm already the weird guy @qasdfdsaq, I'm out of luck

allquixotic

I regret nothing. When I was 17-19 I had a GF. I was even attractive back then. Those were the days ):

2

qasdfdsaq

4 hours ago, by qasdfdsaq

#NoRegrrets #YOLO

allquixotic

my visual and mental age leaped from 19 to 40 instantaneously

Bob

17:20

Now I suddenly want to try to set up a sub-$100 build...

Daniel

I don't fail the whole dating thing @qasdfdsaq, I see through it

Bob

Of course, we don't get the fancy cheap second-hand CPUs here :(

qasdfdsaq

Kids these days -_-

Bob

Oh. @allquixotic I'm trying to cancel my VS subscription now :P

qasdfdsaq

@Bob You can get a 6-core Xeon/i7 980x for under $100

Bob

17:21

Probably going to have to go through a bit of a billing nightmare next month.

Daniel

I'm not a typical kid @qasdfdsaq, I'm the most non-typical kid there is

allquixotic

@Bob Ah, cooler heads prevail. Too bad I didn't cancel my iPhone order. *hugs it*

qasdfdsaq

Also you should see the noises that fox makes while eating @Bob

Daniel

where are you @Bob?

allquixotic

Bob is from Transylvania. He's a vampiric fox.

Bob

17:22

...didn't I say that above? :S

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic You ordered a new iPhone?

Bob

@allquixotic Nah. Turned out MSDN not included in the annual cloud sub.

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq No, I mean, in Sept-Oct-whenever '15 when he didn't save me from buying my 6S+

qasdfdsaq

Ah.

Bob

I think I pinged you above.

qasdfdsaq

17:22

Nobody cared about saving me from my S7 :-/

jokerdino

@allquixotic 15 or 16?

Daniel

oh yeah, that's right. @Bob. AU

Bob

@qasdfdsaq You're my guinea pig :P

allquixotic

@jokerdino 2015

qasdfdsaq

And i'm having real trouble getting to grips with this thing. Literally. It's slippery as hell, even the sides and stuff. Urgh

jokerdino

17:23

How long is the queue?

qasdfdsaq

Why couldn't they have made this thing out of plastic like the S5, that was perfect.

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq Because IMITATE IPHONE AT ALL COSTS [*_*]

Daniel

Anyways, I've got homework to do and test to take, I'll TTYL

allquixotic

that's Samsung's mentality

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic The whole reason I bought Galaxy phones is because I didn't want to sacrifice functionality for iPhone-looks

allquixotic

17:24

anything iPhone does must be good, so Samsung tries to do it too

Daniel

And Thanks for the advice @Bob, you're the most sensible/calm one here so far.

I'm out of here.

jokerdino

Bob is not a person.

qasdfdsaq

@allquixotic They seem to have sorta changed their mind. After all, their S6 was basically an iPhone clone, and they've undone half of that crap after learning their lesson.

Bob

@Daniel ...I've just been saying the same thing everyone else has been :S

Daniel

!!foxyes

ChatBot John Cavil

17:24

Daniel

But you've been the most cool-headed @Bob

allquixotic

@jokerdino I picked it up on release day at Best Buy

Daniel

later guys

Bob

End of the day, it is your choice. See if you can track down a couple cheap listings for those parts, if you want to try. That's all.

jokerdino

Bob, you are the best fox in this room.

Bob

17:25

(though, second-hand does have a bit of risk)

qasdfdsaq

Marry a rich couger who buys things for you. Problem solved.

@jokerdino That's like saying you're the best dino in this room.

bwDraco

I guess I gotta learn to be calmer.

Much has changed and I'm a lot less likely to act out today than I was even two weeks ago, but there's much work to be done.

jokerdino

@qasdfdsaq who wants to be a gigolo?

@bwDraco hi

qasdfdsaq

@jokerdino Hey if it's acceptable for women to marry men just to get rich from the divorce settlement, in the name of equality I say men should have the same right.

bwDraco

Hello

jokerdino

17:28

@qasdfdsaq Don't trigger.

qasdfdsaq

What? Trigger? What? I'm confused

jokerdino

The sleeper flagger agent.

qasdfdsaq

Ah

Nah, they only flag non offensive messages.

bwDraco

I'm going to be very busy working on class projects in a moment, but I'll try to be around.

Bob

I should probably sleep.

2

I've been up 28 hours at this point.

s/28/30/

jokerdino

17:29

@Bob wtf

How do you even function at this point?

qasdfdsaq

Even my phone hasn't been up that long.

Bob

See above attempt at math for your answer.

bwDraco

Alright then. Good night, Bob. I have some coursework to do.

Bob

'night

...if I actually sleep

urk

I'm somehow not sleepy

at least it's Saturday

Oh, speaking of which. @allquixotic, you up for a dungeon crawl this weekend?

bwDraco

Never mind.

allquixotic

17:45

@Bob probably

Bob

@allquixotic Normal time? Or some other?

allquixotic

@Bob not sure - but it wont' be tonight either way

as in, not in about 11 hours

Bob

lol

DavidPostill

-4

Q: Please Help me Are dates healthy for you?

I have been getting these snacks from the grocery store where they are dates covered in walnuts. I wanted to know if these are a healthy snack or if dates have any negative nutrition to them at all? I also don't know how they make the walnuts stick to the dates but hopefully whatever it is, isn'...

Bob

I am like a computer — JimBob123 4 mins ago

Obvious troll is obvious.

qasdfdsaq

18:29

I am like a troll

Bob

I'm too lazy to image search on my phone so use your imagination.

allquixotic

@qasdfdsaq I am like a bird; I'll only fly away

bwDraco

18:46

My printer has a built-in firewall, wow.

That'll allow me to forward port 9100 to the printer while still allowing only certain IPs to access the printer, which lets me send jobs to the printer from my server or other whitelisted IPs without actually allowing attackers to print arbitrary content on my printer.

bwDraco

19:03

I said this a while back on printing remotely:

Sep 24 '15 at 21:23, by DragonLord

I've always wanted to be able to print remotely, but Epson Connect and Google Cloud Print do not meet my requirements and port forwarding to port 9100 raises security concerns (anyone with the network's external IP address can print arbitrary documents).

Guess that's another perk of having a high-end office printer. More security controls.

I won't have to worry about attackers printing arbitrary documents any more.

Ben Richards

github.com/benrichards86/update-cygwin

Realized that the only place I actually had that script saved online was on pastebin. :P

Feels weird creating a whole github repo just for a script though

bwDraco

...and with HPLIP from the cloud desktop Linode server, I am indeed able to print from CUPS:

In other words, I am able to send jobs from my server in the cloud to my printer at home. This actually works.

bwDraco

19:46

Okay, took me some time to sort out a firewall issue where it was letting traffic through. The printer isn't interpreting 192.168.1.0/24 correctly; it just decided to let all traffic from any IP through. Changed it to a range (192.168.1.1–255) fixed the issue.

I have two servers; I had allowed one of them through but not the other. For some reason, the other was able to send data to the printer and the printer actually printed it.

Now the printer doesn't respond to data sent from that server.

...while it allows data from the other server through. Firewall is working as designed.

qasdfdsaq

20:37

I have a dream

allquixotic

no you don't

Ben Richards

I had a dream.

Man.

I hate finding bugs in our compiler tool.

qasdfdsaq

Fox captured barehanded

►

Ben Richards

Andrew Ucles is great

qasdfdsaq

The fox doesn't look happy

Ben Richards

20:48

Fox kits playing by their den in my yard

►

Haha yeah that fox doesn't look happy at all

Ben Richards

21:01

-3

Q: Clicking the Internet Explorer icon opens Google Chrome instead

Whenever I click on the Internet Explorer icon, it opens the Google Chrome web browser instead. However, if I right-click the Internet Explorer icon and select "Open New Tab", it will open Internet Explorer, which is fine. How can I make it so that clicking on the Internet Explorer icon will lau...

google-chrome windows-8.1 browser internet-explorer

The question was incredibly unclear. Rewrote it to try and make it make more sense. Apparently it was translated via Google Translate or something.

As to the issue, I haven't heard of this before. It is an unusual problem.

bwDraco

21:19

Okay. One of my printer's firewall rules wasn't working, and it turns out the rules had the same priority. Changing them to have different priorities fixed it. It took me so long to sort this out.

...and to verify that I cannot get the printer to print data sent from any IP address not whitelisted.

HP quite simply dropped the ball with the firewall configuration in the EWS. *sigh*

qasdfdsaq

brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/…

Aussies...

Psycogeek

nazi courtrooms, it should not be important what one wears, includig the all too human judge, the ploy is to give it more credibility than humans deciding fates of things and cases.

bwDraco

First experience with administering a printer that is anywhere near enterprise class and it's this frustrating.

Psycogeek

is as archaic as an english court having magistrates wearing curly wigs

bwDraco

Court dress

Court dress comprises the style of clothes prescribed for courts of law, and for royal courts. == Commonwealth countries == === United Kingdom === ==== The Supreme Court ==== Members of the old Judicial Committee of the House of Lords (or "Law Lords") and the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council never wore court dress (although advocates appearing before them did). Instead they were dressed in ordinary business clothing. Since the creation of the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom in 2009, the Justices of that Court have retained the Law Lords' tradition of sitting unrobed. On ce...

Psycogeek

21:33

a construction worker should not have to rent a $300 business suit , nor the time it would take to do that, to have "justice" assuming the rare possibility that justice is ever achieved in a courtroom.

fact , they are all human, and to date the decisions made have been human, the massive quantity of laws and written documents (including contracts) has only improved the ability for a human judge to decide a case with bias, they just apply the hundreds of laws to said case selectivly.

DavidPostill

"You do not need to wear a suit when going to court but your dress should be neat and smart. It is inappropriate to wear singlets, thongs, hat or sunglasses in the courtroom." courts.sa.gov.au/GoingtoCourt/Pages/Court-Behaviour.aspx

bwDraco

@DavidPostill I'd probably use normal business dress: suit, dress pants, and dress shoes, but no tie or suit.

DavidPostill

@bwDraco As would I. Unlike the idiot in AU who turns up in her gym gear.

Psycogeek

no the idiots are the people who could not decide a case, reguardless of the atire of the parties.

bwDraco

Whoops: not suit, but dress shirt

Not sure how I missed that.

But people do need to dress appropriately.

Psycogeek

21:41

which is pretty much what the Claim of the locations would provide, an unbiased jugement.

DavidPostill

• In May, Jennifer LaPenta was jailed briefly after a judge in Lake County, Ill., held her in contempt for wearing an offensive T-shirt to court.

• In Inkster, Mich., Joseph Kassab was turned away in April from the courtroom for wearing black jeans. He missed his traffic court appearance and was fined, and he's challenging the dress code in the state Court of Appeals.

• The same thing happened to Linda West, who missed her court date after being refused entry in June to court in Bakersfield, Calif., for wearing flip-flops.

usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/…

Ben Richards

Couldn't find any specific mention of dresscode for US courts. I feel like it's probably left up to local districts to make their own requirements.

bwDraco

I'll tell you that I use business dress for exams.

DavidPostill

@ben

You will NOT be allowed to enter the Courtroom wearing the following inappropriate clothing (this may result in an arrest warrant for failure to appear or a default of your civil case):

Shorts
Hats (men) or hair curlers (women)
Halter or tube top
T-shirt or muscle shirt
See-through top
Flip flops
Clothing that exposes your midriff or underwear
Ripped or torn jeans
Baggy pants that fall below your waist
Clothing with an emblem or wording that promotes illegal or inappropriate activity
Clothing that depicts or promotes violence, sex acts, illegal drug use or profanity

Ben Richards

Where's that from, @DavidPostill?

DavidPostill

21:45

City Court of Slidell

Ben Richards

Ah

DavidPostill

Louisiana

citycourtofslidell.com/dress.php

Ben Richards

Yeah I just searched "Massachusetts judicial court dresscode" and that came up 3rd result lol

bwDraco

Oxford University actually require academic dress (cap and gown!) for final exams.

Psycogeek

@BenRichards in the local courts around here, even an observer wont be let in the door, without proper attire, being quiet at all times, not having any recording equiptment (that could show the world what goes on) or even to use modern communications equiptment in quiet modes.

Ben Richards

21:47

This is what I found for jurors:
> Performing jury duty is a serious obligation, and people reporting for jury duty should dress in a manner that indicates respect for the court and the people who are relying on the jury to resolve their disputes. While there is no specific dress code, in general you should avoid clothing that is excessively casual, revealing, or in bad condition when you report for jury service. If you are impaneled on a case, the judge may give you additional guidance on appropriate dress for a sitting juror.

Ahh

For court interpreters:
Court interpreters should dress in a manner consistent with the dignity of
the court and which does not attract undue attention, thus ensuring their
professional role as impartial participants. This applies also to attire or
symbols that represent specific religious, political, or social affiliations
that could create the perception of partiality or bias on the part of the court
interpreter.

bwDraco

@BenRichards Again, unless otherwise required, I would use business dress: dress shirt, pants, and shoes.

Ben Richards

@bwDraco I always used business dress when I was called for jury duty

Dave

@DavidPostill: im from shreveport originally.

Ben Richards

I don't think there's any set ordinances on dress code for defendants other than what is legally required when in public though

Dave

@DavidPostill: Louisiana.. Thats interesting though, never knew about those 'court' rules.

DavidPostill

21:50

@Dave I suppose most people don't as hopefully they never need to go to court ...

Ben Richards

If you were arrested in a criminal matter and brought to court, I'm sure your legal counsel would advise these things.

In civil court, they might mail you something with dress code advice when the court appearance is scheduled.

I haven't had to do either so I wouldn't know :P

DavidPostill

I wonder what would happen if you decided to go to court dressed in an orange jumpsuit ;)

Psycogeek

they treat the humans like they are kindergardners, and expect juries to follow everything they say , which mostly includes how they will judge the case, what the point of a "jury" or "jury of your piers" if A) none of the jury is anything like you, let alone your piers, retired drooling kindergardners who rollover and do exactally what the judge tells them. B)the decisions will be the same ones the judge would have made, reguardless of any 12 regular humans that dont agree thing going on.

You can tell i do not survive jury duty ever!

Ben Richards

I'd bet the judge would yell at you. Wouldn't be good if you wanted leniency.

I suppose if you are being too disruptive in any manner, they can charge you with contempt of court.

DavidPostill

@Psycogeek I take it you don't like the legal system ;)

Ben Richards

21:55

How pessimistic! :P

Psycogeek

@DavidPostill at this point i dont think it could be saved :-)

Ben Richards

I always go in with good faith, and maintain that until given reason to otherwise.

Though I've never been called onto a jury panel.

Got close to being interviewed once, for a major case. They got all 12 or so jurors with just a few people to go before I would get interviewed.

And I was there all day

DavidPostill

In NL they don't have juries.

Ben Richards

How do they do it, then?

Psycogeek

cases are already decided on paper, and in hidden back rooms (judges chamber) where no information is supposed to get out. A camera and audio in those places would turn snowdens revelations of the NSA (we already knew about), into revealing how much fudging of the law occurs.

DavidPostill

22:03

@BenRichards One or more judges

Ben Richards

@DavidPostill No concept of trial by peers I guess?

DavidPostill

@BenRichards No

Ben Richards

@DavidPostill Ah, huh.

DavidPostill

In principle, criminal cases will be heard before a court comprised of three judges. In first instance, the case will be handled by the District Courts (apart from certain specific cases as outlined in the law, for example military cases or a serious offence involving abuse of office). In appeal, the Courts of Appeal are the competent court. Appeal in cassation can be submitted with the Supreme Court.

defensewiki.ibj.org/index.php/Netherlands

Dave

Trying to give a, Phone Idiot, Support

►

@bwDraco: this one's for you.. im sure you'll appreciate this one.

@qasdfdsaq will probably appreciate that video more though.

Journeyman Geek

22:11

I think we used to have juries for some cases. Got rid of em.

Psycogeek

prosecutors will tell wild tales, and make up fictional scenarios, based partly on available evidence, pulling at the heartstrings of drooling jurors, while in a court system designed to get at the "truth" , which prosecutors know would let murderers out of the system in 30 days if they did not embelish said truth, with glorious stories that keep the 2 sides of the truth from colliding.

real criminals spend more time in jail systems awaiting thier case going to court, than they will do time after said jugements (should they not die before they are made)

the police , never actually following known procedures, lie through thier teeth, not to change the case, but to inusre they dont loose thier job for the terrible way they handeled things, in the heat of the moment, when training goes out the door, and pannic is filling people with 40 bullets.

so yea, wear a suit, like that is the real problem :-)

defendants enter the court in bright orange jumpsuits, that might just as well say "If i wasnt guilty before, i have now been trained in the prison" all over them.

the judge during jury questioning, asks the jury if they could judge the case without bias, knowing the defendant was already in a jail system (where the crime occured) , or have any racial bias towards the black man. the all white jury just checkboxed the approprite form, and I am saying, HUH? seriously you think we can defy the fact that jail/prison systems are nothing like the rest of free society? and wondering how i would present my bias , without the other jurors also bowing out.

I said my piece, about cultural differences , and prison systems not being the same, and the (poor sap) defendant says "See I knew it".

Yes we all knew it, but were there to lie, it is court after all.

tereško

23:15

openssh vuln: vuxml.org/freebsd/e4644df8-e7da-11e5-829d-c80aa9043978.html

bwDraco

23:27

Thanks. I don't use X forwarding any more.

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