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12:00 AM
@allquixotic That sucks. I consistently get about 190-210ms
It doesn't feel laggy though
 
latency isn't my problem; deadzones is
if you imagine my packet stream as a sinusoidal wave (which is a pretty accurate depiction of how it should look), I have 2 - 3 second valleys where zero packets get through in either direction, and these valleys occur about 9 times per minute
 
Bob
@allquixotic side effect of gaming on LTE?
 
@Bob it's not LTE strictly speaking; problem didn't occur on Droid Maxx
side effect of using a Samsung phone, I guess
weak LTE chip
 
Bob
@allquixotic Well, don't you have one with a Qualcomm chip?
Seems pretty standard.
Unless they have some really weird power saving profile.
 
12:07 AM
@Bob every Verizon phone has a qualcomm SoC, but I have no idea what the LTE chip is
 
Bob
@allquixotic Isn't it part of the SoC?
 
@Bob not necessarily
it can be
 
Bob
I thought it always was, at least with the Snapdragon 8xxes.
 
gonna try to eliminate the potential of it being wifi by doing USB tethering
it's 802.11ac (both the client and the phone) on 5 GHz, so I have a hard time believing that the problem is wifi, especially since 5 GHz is extremely un-crowded in my area
 
Bob
The Snapdragon 801 has a 8974-AB and 8974-AC
 
12:12 AM
 
Bob
Incidentally, I've had similar latency spikes (~2 seconds with nothing going through) on WiFi here. I think switching from a Ralink to Intel chip fixed that.
@JourneymanGeek Face of the devil.
 
well this is just fucking great
dawngate makes you re-type your password when you get disconnected, and guess what happened not 5 minutes in
 
Bob
@allquixotic ...what's the problem with retyping your password?
 
I don't even know my password...I just copy it out of LastPass :P
 
12:19 AM
wifi just sucks ;p
 
12:47 AM
@allquixotic Dota dota dota
 
dota data dota?
data data data!
 
lol
 
@Bob um. having to do it in the middle of a game?
@HackToHell doesn't matter which game I'm playing; if I can't stay connected, no point in playing
 
Bleh, I am done convincing you to try Dota 2.
 
guess I'll be stuck with single-player and turn-based card games until I can get FiOS
 
12:53 AM
@HackToHell I tried Dota2 on Saturday...
 
which might be 2050
or never
 
It wasn't that amazing.
 
@MichaelFrank It isn't until you know the game mechanics ;)
 
DotA is basically Dawngate with fewer interesting things to do. DotA / DotA 2 is a first-generation MOBA. first-gen MOBAs are inherently more limited and less interesting and varied than second-gen MOBAs.
DotA / DotA 2 is the past; Dawngate is the future.
playing DotA 2 today is like playing... I dunno.. Everquest. or Everquest 2. instead of one of the modern MMOs
it's not better; it's just older
 
Bob
@allquixotic well, I don't know about you, but it doesn't take me that much longer to enter a password
compared to the time it takes to load the damn thing anyway
 
1:00 AM
@allquixotic: :/
that kinda sucks
 
@Bob I don't have it memorized because LastPass
I know my work passwords but not Dawngate :P
 
a lot of SP games insist you're online too
 
Bob
> One thing the TPM can do by the way it works is to make it so that only a specific signed bootloader or OS can boot from the hardware. IIRC, that's not a function of a TPM. That's a function of UEFI firmware, "Secure Boot". — Bob 10 secs ago
...ignore that
I did dumb.
 
1:21 AM
everyone has a dumb once in a while
 
Is that the group targeting Kripp?
I know they were DDOSing pretty much anything he tried to stream the other day.
 
maybe. People like that need to be shot. With an arrow to the knee.
 
I just realized that Waystone severely nerfed my build -_-
might be why I suck now
 
>_>
waystone?
Thats odd
I have a bunch of case screws and fan screws that arn't from my current case in my spare screw caddy
 
1:35 AM
the developers of Dawngate
 
1:46 AM
@allquixotic You mean your racecar build?
 
2:01 AM
@MichaelFrank No. My Cerulean build.
 
Yea, Cerulean racecar!
 
@MichaelFrank what do you mean racecar? :P high haste?
 
@allquixotic Yep. High haste.
Also stacked Move Speed.
 
2:18 AM
it was actually HP5 that they nerfed
that was my best build for a long time
 
2:42 AM
 
2:55 AM
I overcame it too, Liz. <3
 
@allquixotic: My mom's terrified of flying. Prays the whole way ;p
Also, prop planes are awesome ;p
 
I still don't like rolling a 2-million-sided dice, but I realize I do it every day when I drive
(I figure that driving is about as safe as flying for me, as long as I'm not fatigued, considering I have a very safe car and reactions like a fighter pilot)
40k miles on my new car, not to count the miles on my old car, 99% of them driven by me, and I've been in like 30 situations where if I didn't react someone would have hit me... merging into my lane without seeing me, etc
what really conquered my fear of flying, I think, is watching Air Crash Investigations and learning about how planes work
instead of it being an unknown, it became a known quantity
it's therapeutic to play KSP and X-Plane... even when I play KSP, I obsess over aircraft, and I don't care much about rockets, because I always want to see how the aircraft react in various situations
it was very scary flying from home out to our vacation spot this year, but when I returned from the vacation to home, it wasn't NEARLY as stressful
my stress level went from near-panic to just slightly unnerved
funny thing is, I thought originally that the noises the plane makes would freak me out and make me want to ask to get off, but when I heard the hydraulics moving the flaps and such, I actually knew in my mind from my experience with KSP and ACI that those were flaps and I knew what they did, etc
 
it gave me a degree of control or at least awareness about what was happening, when I could sit there and say, hey, that's no mystery! those turbofans are giving the plane thrust to increase lift on the airfoils. those flaps are helping it take off. etc
now I'm in love with planes and would fly more if I could afford it, but it's hugely expensive
maybe in the next two years I hope to fly on a 787 Dreamliner
I want to say I've left my little corner of the world
I want to leave North America
I've never done that before
 
The scariest flight I've been in was an Indian airlines internal flight ;p
 
3:05 AM
oh, I wouldn't trust a regional flight just because they have poor safety records
I would fly on a large international carrier, one of the "big" ones, on a modern Boeing built in the 90s or later
that's just called being safe
 
wings seemed to flap, duct tape on the wings (seriously) and the aircon broke down midflight. Also, there seemed to be an airborne retirement village as the flight staff.
 
Also, you probably could have beaned any hijackers with the inflight snack.
 
@JourneymanGeek I'm not afraid of hijackers :P my personal feeling is that they are so probabilistically unlikely as to be in the noise
I don't consider dying of any cause on an airplane to be "in the noise", but hijackers? certainly
 
@allquixotic: The inflight food was bad enough that you could have knocked out hijackers with them ;p
assuming the pissed off stewardesses didn't take out their rage on them
Oh and they basically asked passengers on the sunny side of the plane to close their windowshades.... ;p
 
3:11 AM
lol
 
4:08 AM
@Bob One of the "experts" of the ATSB in this video said that the turbine disc flew apart with "infinite energy" -- if that were the case, we could blow apart turbine discs in power plants and stop mining coal and uranium :)
no baryon can have infinite energy...
 
Bob
@allquixotic at work right now, but is that the Qantas one that had an engine explode? The A380?
Also, I think infinite => essentially nothing can stop it within the region of the plane
 
@Bob ya
@Bob well it's a physically incorrect assertion, because a baryon with infinite energy would be traveling at the speed of light... but, I guess from an engineering perspective you can put air quotes around "infinite" to mean "humans have never designed a material that could withstand that amount of energy"
until it travels far enough for air resistance to bring it down to a reasonable amount of kinetic energy, of course...
@JourneymanGeek silly miniature wolves. :-)
wow that guy has mad skills
(watched him construct the dog house)
 
4:50 AM
lol
diresta does have mad skills.
(he's one half of the guys from 'Dirty Money')
 
5:18 AM
 
5:35 AM
@allquixotic: stallman makes me feel sleepy
 
 
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6:36 AM
@Bob, you here?
 
Bob
6:59 AM
@Erik ?
 
@Bob, don't know if you remember but I was looking for something to find proccesses, you gave me a script and all
@Bob, turns out, sysinternals suite was recently made available on our platform ;)
 
Bob
7:11 AM
@Erik :D
 
sysinternals is the bomb ;p
 
 
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9:20 AM
Ain't people gonna learn? amazon.com/review/R34QMY4YGGKVKO/…
 
...someone linked me to a book named Naked Battle Elves on Amazon... now all I get are targetted adverts for erotica fiction.. -_-
6
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank heh, I've clicked through to some very dodgy books in the past. private browsing mode, though :)
 
Apparently you can edit your search results... Just removed them and all is well. For now.
 
9:37 AM
lol
privare mode FTW
 
Bob
Oh, found the link. Warning: uh... rather NSFW, and it's almost guaranteed to mess up your search results: http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Harvest-collection-semen-based-recipes/dp/1481227‌​041
 
Oh, that
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek "oh, that"? you've come across it before? o.O
 
@JourneymanGeek That just means that you had an experienced flightcrew ;-)
 
10:00 AM
@Bob: oddly enough, I believe on boingboing
Amusingly, my amazon recommendations are local stuff in LA (????), computer hardware, and crappy romance novels (which my mom gets me to order for her)
 
10:42 AM
Natural Harvest is one of those links that gets passed around the internet from one link aggregator to the next and every month the circle repeats itself
...I should buy a couple of copies for birthday gifts
 
Maybe I could even get some book sleeves from real recipe books to create a perfect surprise
 
11:26 AM
lol
 
 
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12:37 PM
decent?
the one I'm looking at has a 256gb ssd tho, not 128
 
12:53 PM
@CanadianLuke I found one of your long lost relatives!
 
1:38 PM
Got sent an article called "LEGACY CODE IS A CANCER." "Nonsense," thought I. "You can cure some forms of cancer."
 
@mok very nice lol. I remember reading his posts
 
yesterday, by Journeyman Geek
@jokerdino I'm a sucker for a cute voice ;p
;p
 
@Mokubai that's more correct than you know... @CanadianLuke revealed to me the other day that his first name really is Canadian, so his last name, being Luke, is the same as CajunLuke's! they're from the famous Luke clan of... er... somewhere probably in western Europe or North America. :S
 
@allquixotic or Tatooine
2
 
3:16 PM
hi there, what are your favourite Dilbert strips on system administrators? I am preparing some slides for my students and I want to spice it up a bit
 
Hi there any Idea on this question superuser.com/questions/802591/…
 
@Gergely Must it be Dilbert?
 
@Hennes, of course not
 
I am waiting to use this in a presentation:
user image
3
 
hm, how does this relate to system administration?
 
3:22 PM
Ad sysadmin I used to get asked questions without enough detail
 
I see!
 
@Hennes You made me press F5 a few times +_+'
 
Not admin related, but I also like this one:
 
@Hennes, the insufficient data meme is now part of my slides, thanks. It is indeed stepping on my nerves and I hope it will do so for my students and teach them a lesson
 
4:10 PM
 
Bob
ok. time to set up xrdp -_-
 
@Bob on....?
 
Bob
@allquixotic my server (phoebe)? :P
I need to run a Tcl/Tk graphical program.... which would run fine on Windows, but it has weird dependencies (among them, gcc), and I don't want to install cygwin... bah
 
That reminded me of this lady:
 
Bob
well. that was nice and painless
 
4:13 PM
 
Bob
sudo apt-get install xrdp
sudo vim /etc/xrdp/xrdp.ini
change port
service xrdp restart
launch remote desktop
annnnd good to go
 
4:47 PM
> change port
you might also want a TCP knocker. anti-bruteforce n' all. :S
@Bob hehe. FEEBEE. I like that name for a server. phoebe.
 
Bob
@allquixotic heh, @JourneymanGeek named his new server that too :P
@allquixotic -_- might as well set up fail2ban
 
srsly? lol
 
Bob
or listen on local only and forward through ssh
doesn't get much more secure than that
 
ssh ftw. PKI! :D
I need to do that with my box D:
public inet xrdp + uberlong password atm
 
Bob
 
4:51 PM
uhhhhh
that looks rather sophisticated :S
 
Bob
ihavenoideawhatimdoing.jpg
3
 
oh ok. so you're the dog with his paws on the keyboard
what exactly is it you are trying to do with a tool like that which you need a doctor's degree to figure out? :P
first google hit for iSpin is about pole dancing in Canberra
 
Bob
@allquixotic it's a model checker for concurrent programs :P
 
a model checker, eh?
that fits in w/ pole dancing theme
 
Bob
-_-
> Spin is an on-the-fly LTL model checking system for proving properties of asynchronous software systems, and iSpin is a Graphical User Interface for Spin written in Tcl/Tk.
 
4:56 PM
is it possible to prove that a multithreaded program will not deadlock, assuming they share some resource guarded by a mutex or similar?
assuming there are no kernel bugs....
 
Bob
@allquixotic yes, it is
 
welp, too bad my multithreaded programs only run on Windows :(
 
Bob
but it gets complicated, fast
 
(many of them, anyway)
 
Bob
@allquixotic you'd have to translate it to Promela anyway
 
4:59 PM
prowhat? no thanks :P
 
Bob
it's not for validation of some existing program
it's more to make sure your algorithm is correct
 
ohh
 
Bob
@allquixotic yea, that was my reaction :P
 
@Bob, doing formal methods? nice
 
problem is, it's not usually your algorithm that fucks up
 
Bob
5:00 PM
@Gergely more like I'll be happier if I never have to see this again :P
 
it's some random library call with certain special semantics that are undocumented
hello GTK; hello libspotify
 
@Bob, oh wait, is that a $HOMEWORK?
 
Bob
@Gergely yep.
 
.
I thought you were doing this for $WORKWORK not $HOMEWORK
 
Bob
god forbid I ever have to do anything like this outside academia
@allquixotic !!no !!no !!no
$WORKWORK is currently being nice to me. I'm well within my comfort zone there.
This crap... is so far outside it's not funny.
 
5:02 PM
@Bob $WORKWORK is system administration?
 
Bob
@Gergely $WORKWORK[0] is dev, $WORKWORK[1] is admin
 
heh
$WORKWORK[0] is web app testing, $WORKWORK[1] is technical writing, $WORKWORK[2] is dev, $WORKWORK[3] is security testing, $WORKWORK[4] is admin, and $WORKWORK[5] is desktop support :D
no, I'm not busy at all
 
@allquixotic, as we can see from you chatting here :-P
 
DragonLord here
I'm trying to control spam accesses to my website
 
!!tell 17333385 define lunch
 
5:05 PM
@Gergely lunch A light meal usually eaten around midday, notably when not as main meal of the day.
 
oh it is evening here
 
RUN! IT'S THE BRAZILIAN!
(the only one that ever has existed)
RUN! IT'S THE GERMAN!
 
Where do we run to?
 
India if you're not already there? :S
actually, Australia is probably pretty safe
 
I'm here.
 
5:09 PM
just make sure you put on some skis before you try to run across the ocean
 
@allquixotic safe from all the lethal animals?
 
Would it be okay for me to block the entire Chinese IP range 36.248.0.0/13, or do I risk blocking legitimate users? All of the accesses I've seen within this range are automated spamming attempts, mostly with IPs in the ranges 36.248.160.0/19 and 36.250.160.0/19.
 
@DragonLord of course you risk blocking legitimate users, any time you block any IP... even a single IP block could be blocking a NAT of large number of users, or maybe the IP changes hands from an attacker to a well-intentioned user who wants to learn from your site
IPs aren't bound to people, not at any point in time
 
@allquixotic for me it's more like while (TRUE) {$WORKWORK[] = rand()}
 
you have to weigh the risk of your site being attacked versus how willing you are to have users who legitimately want to visit your site without being malicious, get accidentally blocked
 
5:11 PM
Maybe block 36.248.0.0/14?
 
@allquixotic ...but what if you are running away from @Bob?
 
Wikipedia is a large enough attack surface that they blocked the entire OVH IP allocation
I had to get special approval from a Wikipedia Administrator to be able to post through my stunneling proxy to my OVH box
they whitelisted the pair of (login, IP) for my server's specific IP and my specific WP account.
 
OVH = some ISP?
 
OVH = hosting provider.
 
OVH is a French hosting company (corrected)
 
Bob
5:14 PM
@allquixotic note: actual determined attackers can trivially get a different IP/IPblock.
 
@Bob there's that, too.
however, if they are trying to perform a DDoS, and you force them to proxy/VPN/tunnel elsewhere to set up their attack, the throughput will be significantly reduced, as they'll likely be bandwidth limited by whatever levels of indirection they use
assuming that their "real" IPs are the ones they started out with
 
Stop talking security! I am at a week-long forensic class, it's the 1st day and I'm already ihavenoideawhatimdoing.jpg.
 
SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY SECURITY
 
Also ihavenoideawhyamIhere.png
 
Bob
@allquixotic blocking an IP block at the server level is useless against a DDoS
 
5:15 PM
(but $WORKWORK is paying it so whatever)
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy "here" as in here in RA, or here as in at the forensic class?
 
Bob
heck, IP blocking is useless against a DDoS
that's what the first D is for
 
@allquixotic Both, superseded by "here" as in in RA during the class (althought technically we're at coffee break no)
 
Blocking the 36.248.0.0/14 range is not unheard of.
 
@Bob a much improved variant on IP blocking called null routing (at the gateway) is basically the way to defend against DDoS, though.
 
Bob
5:16 PM
@DragonLord but is there any real benefit?
 
get the core routers to stop routing the packets from where they're originating from.
 
Bob
@allquixotic yes, but that's at a much lower level - and not nearly as easy to do
 
@Bob The bot accesses are the majority of hits to the website
 
Bob
if you're on shared hosting... tough luck
a VPS? maybe, but usually temporary
a dedi? more likely, but still not guaranteed
you run your own transit? ok, now we're talking
 
if bots are dragging you down with traffic, what you should really do is rather to set up your site behind cloudflare or the like
if you can handle breakage on the level that SU has experienced consistently since they set up cloudflare, have at it :P
 
Bob
5:18 PM
if your issue is bottraffic > realtraffic, well, that's not really a problem
if your issue is bottraffic + realtraffic > serverpower, then blocking might make sense
 
heck, if Apache is your actual httpd listening on port 80 / 443, just setting up nginx as a caching gateway would improve performance significantly
Apache is still kinda slow compared to the competition, even on the same hardware
 
Bob
"kinda"
read: considerably slower
 
@allquixotic DDoS was the 1st topic discussed here, no one mentioned null routing. .___.
 
Bob
especially if you're doing anything with mod_php
 
@allquixotic Well, on my blog, PHP is the main limiting factor, not Apache
 
5:20 PM
@DragonLord then you need to set up a cache in front of it rather than having every single request run through PHP.
 
I've already set up PHP-APC and tuned the blog software to reduce load
 
Bob
@DragonLord if you're using mod_php, then that's gonna be the limiting factor
php-fpm + nginx has been shown to be quite a lot faster
 
The problem is that the CMS I use requires Apache
 
Bob
probably mostly because mod_php forces the use of the prefork MPM
 
in my opinion, it doesn't (shouldn't) really matter just how slow the final backend httpd and its hypertext processor are... I mean, they can be really, really slow, but as long as the predominant use of your site is read-only, caching reverse proxies can eliminate the vast majority of your CPU/disk load by rarely ever touching the slow backend.
if you get 1000 comments on every post and SU-like voting, that's a lot of writes; but if the primary use case is visit webpage and read it, that's perfect for a caching reverse proxy
Squid is known to be pretty efficient at that, too
(in case nginx isn't to your taste)
Wikipedia ran with Squid as their front-line httpds for years
not sure if they still do
 
5:26 PM
Seems like the 36.248.160.0/19 and 36.250.160.0/19 ranges cover users in Putian, Fujian, China: tcpiputils.com/browse/ip-address/36.248.0.0-36.251.255.255
These ranges have been blocked. I have decided not blocked the entire /14.
 
@DragonLord or anywhere else where users have been able to get IP allocations in that range, or proxy through servers that reside there
IP geo says my phone's IP is supposed to be in Florida, but that's hundreds of miles from here
heck, my OVH server IP geos to France, since that's where OVH's headquarters is, but the box itself is in eastern Canada
 
The problem with reverse proxies is that my blog uses HTTPS
 
Bob
how is that a problem?
 
so it's really not an option
 
Bob
set up HTTPS on the reverse proxy
completely standard config
 
5:31 PM
Varnish does not support HTTPS.
 
Bob
@allquixotic mine is all the way up north of Brisbane... ~1000km drive
 
I'm not familiar with Squid at all and really don't know how to set up a reverse proxy.
 
Bob
@DragonLord Squid does HTTPS. Nginx does HTTPS.
Nginx reverse proxy is easy
 
Varnish is a reverse proxy
 
Bob
upstream firefox {
        server 10.0.18.7:5000;
}

server {
        listen 80;
        listen 443 ssl;

        server_name ff.example.com;

        ssl_certificate /etc/nginx/ssl/ff.example.com.cert;
        ssl_certificate_key /etc/nginx/ssl/ff.example.com.key;

        location / {
                proxy_pass firefox;
                proxy_redirect off;
                proxy_buffering off;
                proxy_set_header Host $host;
                proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr;
 
5:34 PM
typically in configurations like this, the user-facing daemon -- in your specific case, Varnish -- would be configured with your SSL certs, and then your origin server (Apache) would listen on localhost only, and on a port such as 8085 or something, and not use HTTPS. but the connection would still be end to end encrypted across the public Internet.
 
Bob
that's my ff-sync HTTPS reverse proxy in nginx
very very easy
 
> There are a number of reasons why there are no plans in sight that will grow SSL support in Varnish.

First, I have yet to see a SSL library where the source code is not a nightmare.
> wah wah wah wah wah wah wah complexity wah wah wah wah wah wah wah wah
wouldn't use a product built by a freaking whiner, personally
 
Bob
caching is just as easy
 
so basically the Varnish author argued that (1) SSL implementations are too complex, (2) he doesn't trust them because they might have bugs
so basically, we shouldn't ever use any security apparatus because security is complicated and might have bugs
we should just send everything in the clear where it is guaranteed to be intercepted and scrutinized
that's a whole hell of a lot safer
 
isn't it open source? can't he just have contributors? isn't it the whole point of open source?
 
Bob
5:39 PM
@ThatBrazilianGuy Why fork Varnish with HTTPS support when you have other caching reverse proxies that already have said support?
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy sure, but if he's a NIH/OCD ideologue, he won't accept a contribution that doesn't resolve his... "philosophical" concerns
 
Bob
:17334159 The point is you can, but that doesn't mean someone will bother to.
 
and he'd probably say "but it's still too complex"
 
I guess I'd have to study a lot more before I can implement a reverse proxy on my server...
 
I'm sure anyone could simply fork Varnish with HTTPS support and they'd do a fine job, but the real Varnish is the Varnish maintained by its original author (as long as he is committed to the project), so it's hard to recommend a hostile fork unless it gains tons of traction and acceptance
@DragonLord it's really a lot simpler than you think it is
 
Bob
5:41 PM
see above :P
 
the config file example Bob posted above is literally all you'd have to do, aside from modifying like 3 lines of your Apache config to disable SSL in Apache and listen only on localhost
 
Bob
@allquixotic well, you'd need proxy_cache somerandomstring to enable caching, but that's also quite easy
then there's cache tuning, but that's entirely optional
the actual reverse proxy part is easy
 
@Bob do you know of any caches with some kind of backchannel from the origin server to the proxy frontend telling it "uhh, I think now would be a good time to update your cache; I just made a new blog post" or something like that?
he could set his automatic cache purge time to like 6 months and then just have Apache ping nginx whenever something actually changes
 
Bob
@allquixotic that would require support from the webapp
so, yea... you could
set up something in your webapp to access the purge URL
 
@allquixotic Some wodpress caching plugins do that. (I know nothing about caching, proxies, reverse proxies and the like)
 
Bob
5:46 PM
there's a wordpress plugin that does that: wordpress.org/plugins/nginx-proxy-cache-purge
 
I heard somewhere on the Internet that certain wordpress plugins might do that, but I don't quite know where I would have heard that... memory's foggy
 
Yep. Also, some wordpress plugins does that as well.
 
Really? I didn't know that.
 
I use a rather exotic CMS, Serendipity, but a caching plugin is available.
 
!!learn noidea '<>http://i.stack.imgur.com/7p36u.jpg'
 
5:58 PM
@allquixotic Command noidea learned
 
!!undo
 
I prefer this one:
Much less idea is had in this one
 
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